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08-19-2007
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| Vista x64 Ultimate SP2, Windows 7 Ultimate x64 | Re: Message Rules working erratically?  Quote: Originally Posted by Rick  Hmmm...so you think that the explanation that's been offered for why my rules work erratically might not be correct? "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:OCEfyAt4HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >I haven't fully explored this yet, but I think WLM's custom > rules operate *before* the junk filter rules. > I don't want to use WLM's account folders, so I have a > message rule that redirects all incoming mail to a custom > folder. That folder receives everything, including the junk emails. > > Gary VanderMolen > > "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:O$x6Q8q4HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Ah, that would explain it. I've always assumed that WM would see my >> rules and understand that if a message matches any of them, I'm >> implicitly declaring it legitimate mail. I have another email program >> whose junk mail filter is simply another rule, and I just make that rule >> my LAST one. Works perfectly: if a message doesn't meet any of these >> rules, then it's junk. That algorithm seems more logical to me. >> >> I subscribe to a number of email listservs, often on yahoogroups, and I'd >> like to route messages from them to special folders. They come in to me >> with a unique email address in the TO: field such as >> 'groupname@yahoogroups.com'. The FROM field could be anyone, but I still >> want the message routed to my special folder. I should be able to have a >> rule based on the TO field kick in before WM looks at the FROM field, >> doesn't recognize the sender, and declares it junk! There's no way I can >> put every member of all my email groups in my approved sender list--I >> don't know them all and don't want to! >> >> Thanks for any thoughts. >> I think Gary is suggesting that Windows Live Mail may have a better message rule vs junk filter system. You might give it a try and see. If it not, it is still better than WM, or uninstall it. Windows Live Mail Beta Shawn |
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08-20-2007
| #12 (permalink) |
| | Re: Message Rules working erratically? Not sure which explanation you are referring to, but my previous post was about WLM (not WM). I see you are using WM. Gary VanderMolen "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message news:O#tUzIt4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Hmmm...so you think that the explanation that's been offered for why my rules work erratically might not be correct? > > > "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:OCEfyAt4HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>I haven't fully explored this yet, but I think WLM's custom >> rules operate *before* the junk filter rules. >> I don't want to use WLM's account folders, so I have a >> message rule that redirects all incoming mail to a custom >> folder. That folder receives everything, including the junk emails. >> >> Gary VanderMolen >> >> "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message news:O$x6Q8q4HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> Ah, that would explain it. I've always assumed that WM would see my rules and understand that if a message matches any of >>> them, I'm implicitly declaring it legitimate mail. I have another email program whose junk mail filter is simply another >>> rule, and I just make that rule my LAST one. Works perfectly: if a message doesn't meet any of these rules, then it's junk. >>> That algorithm seems more logical to me. >>> >>> I subscribe to a number of email listservs, often on yahoogroups, and I'd like to route messages from them to special folders. >>> They come in to me with a unique email address in the TO: field such as 'groupname@yahoogroups.com'. The FROM field could be >>> anyone, but I still want the message routed to my special folder. I should be able to have a rule based on the TO field kick >>> in before WM looks at the FROM field, doesn't recognize the sender, and declares it junk! There's no way I can put every >>> member of all my email groups in my approved sender list--I don't know them all and don't want to! >>> >>> Thanks for any thoughts. >>> >>> >>> >>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:%23XMTWEo4HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>I believe the Junk E-mail rules operate before your custom rules do. >>>> So, if WM thinks it is spam, your rules will never touch that message. >>>> >>>> Gary VanderMolen >>>> >>>> >>>> "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message news:#vec9pm4HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Hi -- I'm still having problems and for the life of me I can't figure out why. Here's one Rule Description: >>>>> >>>>> Apply this rule after the message arrives >>>>> Where the To or CC line contains 'psn@lists.colorado.edu' >>>>> Move it to the PSN folder >>>>> and Stop processing more rules >>>>> >>>>> Yet when a message comes in with psn@lists.colorado.edu in the TO field -- it doesn't have any other addresses in the TO >>>>> field, and there's no CC or BCC addresses -- it often (not always, but erratically) for some reason ends up in my Junk >>>>> folder. There are NO other rules that process messages with 'psn@lists.colorado.edu' in the TO field. This rule is the >>>>> fiteenth of thirty-two rules that I have. And it's not by any means the only rule that's causing problems. Any thoughts? >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "brink" <brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message news:brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net... >>>>>> >>>>>> Rick;408797 Wrote: >>>>>>> I'm finding that my Message Rules sometimes don't work -- a message will >>>>>>> occasionally end up (seemingly randomly) in my Inbox or Junk Mail >>>>>>> rather >>>>>>> than the folder I've specified. A typical rule has action = 'Move it to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> specified folder', description is typically "from [a sender]" or "to [a >>>>>>> sender]", and then the message is moved to the specified folder. I >>>>>>> always >>>>>>> make sure to include 'Stop Processing More Rules'. I have about 30 >>>>>>> rules. >>>>>>> Am I doing something wrong? Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rick, >>>>>> >>>>>> You are on the right track, but you need to double check to make sure >>>>>> that you do not have any conflicting message rules. It might be easier >>>>>> to write them all down exactly as they appear and sort through them that >>>>>> way. It's simple, but time consuming. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shawn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> brink >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > |
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08-20-2007
| #13 (permalink) |
| | Re: Message Rules working erratically? Ah, WLM -- does that mean Windows Live Messenger? I know nothing about it. But yup, I'm using Windows Mail. "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:eHfCVYu4HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Not sure which explanation you are referring to, but my previous > post was about WLM (not WM). I see you are using WM. > > Gary VanderMolen > > > "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:O#tUzIt4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Hmmm...so you think that the explanation that's been offered for why my >> rules work erratically might not be correct? >> >> >> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message >> news:OCEfyAt4HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>I haven't fully explored this yet, but I think WLM's custom >>> rules operate *before* the junk filter rules. >>> I don't want to use WLM's account folders, so I have a >>> message rule that redirects all incoming mail to a custom >>> folder. That folder receives everything, including the junk emails. >>> >>> Gary VanderMolen >>> >>> "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message >>> news:O$x6Q8q4HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> Ah, that would explain it. I've always assumed that WM would see my >>>> rules and understand that if a message matches any of them, I'm >>>> implicitly declaring it legitimate mail. I have another email program >>>> whose junk mail filter is simply another rule, and I just make that >>>> rule my LAST one. Works perfectly: if a message doesn't meet any of >>>> these rules, then it's junk. That algorithm seems more logical to me. >>>> >>>> I subscribe to a number of email listservs, often on yahoogroups, and >>>> I'd like to route messages from them to special folders. They come in >>>> to me with a unique email address in the TO: field such as >>>> 'groupname@yahoogroups.com'. The FROM field could be anyone, but I >>>> still want the message routed to my special folder. I should be able >>>> to have a rule based on the TO field kick in before WM looks at the >>>> FROM field, doesn't recognize the sender, and declares it junk! >>>> There's no way I can put every member of all my email groups in my >>>> approved sender list--I don't know them all and don't want to! >>>> >>>> Thanks for any thoughts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:%23XMTWEo4HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>I believe the Junk E-mail rules operate before your custom rules do. >>>>> So, if WM thinks it is spam, your rules will never touch that message. >>>>> >>>>> Gary VanderMolen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:#vec9pm4HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Hi -- I'm still having problems and for the life of me I can't figure >>>>>> out why. Here's one Rule Description: >>>>>> >>>>>> Apply this rule after the message arrives >>>>>> Where the To or CC line contains 'psn@lists.colorado.edu' >>>>>> Move it to the PSN folder >>>>>> and Stop processing more rules >>>>>> >>>>>> Yet when a message comes in with psn@lists.colorado.edu in the TO >>>>>> field -- it doesn't have any other addresses in the TO field, and >>>>>> there's no CC or BCC addresses -- it often (not always, but >>>>>> erratically) for some reason ends up in my Junk folder. There are NO >>>>>> other rules that process messages with 'psn@lists.colorado.edu' in >>>>>> the TO field. This rule is the fiteenth of thirty-two rules that I >>>>>> have. And it's not by any means the only rule that's causing >>>>>> problems. Any thoughts? Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "brink" <brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rick;408797 Wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm finding that my Message Rules sometimes don't work -- a message >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> occasionally end up (seemingly randomly) in my Inbox or Junk Mail >>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>> than the folder I've specified. A typical rule has action = 'Move >>>>>>>> it to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> specified folder', description is typically "from [a sender]" or >>>>>>>> "to [a >>>>>>>> sender]", and then the message is moved to the specified folder. I >>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>> make sure to include 'Stop Processing More Rules'. I have about 30 >>>>>>>> rules. >>>>>>>> Am I doing something wrong? Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Rick, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are on the right track, but you need to double check to make >>>>>>> sure >>>>>>> that you do not have any conflicting message rules. It might be >>>>>>> easier >>>>>>> to write them all down exactly as they appear and sort through them >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> way. It's simple, but time consuming. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Shawn >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> brink >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > |
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08-20-2007
| #14 (permalink) |
| | Re: Message Rules working erratically? No, WLM =Windows Live Mail, which according to Microsoft will be the replacement for Windows Mail. For more on WLM see http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas Gary VanderMolen "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message news:eyi$Mdu4HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Ah, WLM -- does that mean Windows Live Messenger? I know nothing about it. But yup, I'm using Windows Mail. > > > "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:eHfCVYu4HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Not sure which explanation you are referring to, but my previous >> post was about WLM (not WM). I see you are using WM. >> >> Gary VanderMolen >> >> >> "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message news:O#tUzIt4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> Hmmm...so you think that the explanation that's been offered for why my rules work erratically might not be correct? >>> >>> >>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:OCEfyAt4HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>I haven't fully explored this yet, but I think WLM's custom >>>> rules operate *before* the junk filter rules. >>>> I don't want to use WLM's account folders, so I have a >>>> message rule that redirects all incoming mail to a custom >>>> folder. That folder receives everything, including the junk emails. >>>> >>>> Gary VanderMolen >>>> >>>> "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message news:O$x6Q8q4HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Ah, that would explain it. I've always assumed that WM would see my rules and understand that if a message matches any of >>>>> them, I'm implicitly declaring it legitimate mail. I have another email program whose junk mail filter is simply another >>>>> rule, and I just make that rule my LAST one. Works perfectly: if a message doesn't meet any of these rules, then it's junk. >>>>> That algorithm seems more logical to me. >>>>> >>>>> I subscribe to a number of email listservs, often on yahoogroups, and I'd like to route messages from them to special >>>>> folders. They come in to me with a unique email address in the TO: field such as 'groupname@yahoogroups.com'. The FROM >>>>> field could be anyone, but I still want the message routed to my special folder. I should be able to have a rule based on >>>>> the TO field kick in before WM looks at the FROM field, doesn't recognize the sender, and declares it junk! There's no way I >>>>> can put every member of all my email groups in my approved sender list--I don't know them all and don't want to! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for any thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:%23XMTWEo4HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>I believe the Junk E-mail rules operate before your custom rules do. >>>>>> So, if WM thinks it is spam, your rules will never touch that message. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary VanderMolen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message news:#vec9pm4HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Hi -- I'm still having problems and for the life of me I can't figure out why. Here's one Rule Description: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apply this rule after the message arrives >>>>>>> Where the To or CC line contains 'psn@lists.colorado.edu' >>>>>>> Move it to the PSN folder >>>>>>> and Stop processing more rules >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yet when a message comes in with psn@lists.colorado.edu in the TO field -- it doesn't have any other addresses in the TO >>>>>>> field, and there's no CC or BCC addresses -- it often (not always, but erratically) for some reason ends up in my Junk >>>>>>> folder. There are NO other rules that process messages with 'psn@lists.colorado.edu' in the TO field. This rule is the >>>>>>> fiteenth of thirty-two rules that I have. And it's not by any means the only rule that's causing problems. Any thoughts? >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "brink" <brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message news:brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rick;408797 Wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm finding that my Message Rules sometimes don't work -- a message will >>>>>>>>> occasionally end up (seemingly randomly) in my Inbox or Junk Mail >>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>> than the folder I've specified. A typical rule has action = 'Move it to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> specified folder', description is typically "from [a sender]" or "to [a >>>>>>>>> sender]", and then the message is moved to the specified folder. I >>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>> make sure to include 'Stop Processing More Rules'. I have about 30 >>>>>>>>> rules. >>>>>>>>> Am I doing something wrong? Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rick, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are on the right track, but you need to double check to make sure >>>>>>>> that you do not have any conflicting message rules. It might be easier >>>>>>>> to write them all down exactly as they appear and sort through them that >>>>>>>> way. It's simple, but time consuming. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shawn >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> brink >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > |
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