Vista - Message Rules working erratically?

I'm finding that my Message Rules sometimes don't work -- a message will
occasionally end up (seemingly randomly) in my Inbox or Junk Mail rather
than the folder I've specified. A typical rule has action = 'Move it to the
specified folder', description is typically "from [a sender]" or "to [a
sender]", and then the message is moved to the specified folder. I always
make sure to include 'Stop Processing More Rules'. I have about 30 rules.
Am I doing something wrong? Thanks.

Hi Rick,

You are on the right track, but you need to double check to make sure that you do not have any conflicting message rules. It might be easier to write them all down exactly as they appear and sort through them that way. It's simple, but time consuming.

Shawn

Hi -- I'm still having problems and for the life of me I can't figure out
why. Here's one Rule Description:

Apply this rule after the message arrives
Where the To or CC line contains 'psn@lists.colorado.edu'
Move it to the PSN folder
and Stop processing more rules

Yet when a message comes in with psn@lists.colorado.edu in the TO field --
it doesn't have any other addresses in the TO field, and there's no CC or
BCC addresses -- it often (not always, but erratically) for some reason ends
up in my Junk folder. There are NO other rules that process messages with
'psn@lists.colorado.edu' in the TO field. This rule is the fiteenth of
thirty-two rules that I have. And it's not by any means the only rule
that's causing problems. Any thoughts? Thanks.


"brink" <brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net...
>
> Rick;408797 Wrote:
>> I'm finding that my Message Rules sometimes don't work -- a message will
>> occasionally end up (seemingly randomly) in my Inbox or Junk Mail
>> rather
>> than the folder I've specified. A typical rule has action = 'Move it to
>> the
>> specified folder', description is typically "from [a sender]" or "to [a
>> sender]", and then the message is moved to the specified folder. I
>> always
>> make sure to include 'Stop Processing More Rules'. I have about 30
>> rules.
>> Am I doing something wrong? Thanks.
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> You are on the right track, but you need to double check to make sure
> that you do not have any conflicting message rules. It might be easier
> to write them all down exactly as they appear and sort through them that
> way. It's simple, but time consuming.
>
> Shawn
>
>
> --
> brink

I believe the Junk E-mail rules operate before your custom rules do.
So, if WM thinks it is spam, your rules will never touch that message.

Gary VanderMolen


"Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message news:#vec9pm4HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Hi -- I'm still having problems and for the life of me I can't figure out why. Here's one Rule Description:
>
> Apply this rule after the message arrives
> Where the To or CC line contains 'psn@lists.colorado.edu'
> Move it to the PSN folder
> and Stop processing more rules
>
> Yet when a message comes in with psn@lists.colorado.edu in the TO field -- it doesn't have any other addresses in the TO field,
> and there's no CC or BCC addresses -- it often (not always, but erratically) for some reason ends up in my Junk folder. There
> are NO other rules that process messages with 'psn@lists.colorado.edu' in the TO field. This rule is the fiteenth of thirty-two
> rules that I have. And it's not by any means the only rule that's causing problems. Any thoughts? Thanks.
>
>
> "brink" <brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message news:brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net...
>>
>> Rick;408797 Wrote:
>>> I'm finding that my Message Rules sometimes don't work -- a message will
>>> occasionally end up (seemingly randomly) in my Inbox or Junk Mail
>>> rather
>>> than the folder I've specified. A typical rule has action = 'Move it to
>>> the
>>> specified folder', description is typically "from [a sender]" or "to [a
>>> sender]", and then the message is moved to the specified folder. I
>>> always
>>> make sure to include 'Stop Processing More Rules'. I have about 30
>>> rules.
>>> Am I doing something wrong? Thanks.
>>
>> Hi Rick,
>>
>> You are on the right track, but you need to double check to make sure
>> that you do not have any conflicting message rules. It might be easier
>> to write them all down exactly as they appear and sort through them that
>> way. It's simple, but time consuming.
>>
>> Shawn
>>
>>
>> --
>> brink
>

Hi Rick,

I believe Gary is right on that the Junk Filter will filter first then the message rules. Add the address to the Safe Senders list and that will allow it to bypass the Junk Filter and go straight to the message rules. Do the same for the other ones to if this applies for them to.

Shawn

Ah, that would explain it. I've always assumed that WM would see my rules
and understand that if a message matches any of them, I'm implicitly
declaring it legitimate mail. I have another email program whose junk mail
filter is simply another rule, and I just make that rule my LAST one. Works
perfectly: if a message doesn't meet any of these rules, then it's junk.
That algorithm seems more logical to me.

I subscribe to a number of email listservs, often on yahoogroups, and I'd
like to route messages from them to special folders. They come in to me
with a unique email address in the TO: field such as
'groupname@yahoogroups.com'. The FROM field could be anyone, but I still
want the message routed to my special folder. I should be able to have a
rule based on the TO field kick in before WM looks at the FROM field,
doesn't recognize the sender, and declares it junk! There's no way I can
put every member of all my email groups in my approved sender list--I don't
know them all and don't want to!

Thanks for any thoughts.



"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23XMTWEo4HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I believe the Junk E-mail rules operate before your custom rules do.
> So, if WM thinks it is spam, your rules will never touch that message.
>
> Gary VanderMolen
>
>
> "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:#vec9pm4HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Hi -- I'm still having problems and for the life of me I can't figure out
>> why. Here's one Rule Description:
>>
>> Apply this rule after the message arrives
>> Where the To or CC line contains 'psn@lists.colorado.edu'
>> Move it to the PSN folder
>> and Stop processing more rules
>>
>> Yet when a message comes in with psn@lists.colorado.edu in the TO
>> field -- it doesn't have any other addresses in the TO field, and
>> there's no CC or BCC addresses -- it often (not always, but erratically)
>> for some reason ends up in my Junk folder. There are NO other rules that
>> process messages with 'psn@lists.colorado.edu' in the TO field. This
>> rule is the fiteenth of thirty-two rules that I have. And it's not by
>> any means the only rule that's causing problems. Any thoughts? Thanks.
>>
>>
>> "brink" <brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
>> news:brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net...
>>>
>>> Rick;408797 Wrote:
>>>> I'm finding that my Message Rules sometimes don't work -- a message
>>>> will
>>>> occasionally end up (seemingly randomly) in my Inbox or Junk Mail
>>>> rather
>>>> than the folder I've specified. A typical rule has action = 'Move it to
>>>> the
>>>> specified folder', description is typically "from [a sender]" or "to [a
>>>> sender]", and then the message is moved to the specified folder. I
>>>> always
>>>> make sure to include 'Stop Processing More Rules'. I have about 30
>>>> rules.
>>>> Am I doing something wrong? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Hi Rick,
>>>
>>> You are on the right track, but you need to double check to make sure
>>> that you do not have any conflicting message rules. It might be easier
>>> to write them all down exactly as they appear and sort through them that
>>> way. It's simple, but time consuming.
>>>
>>> Shawn
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> brink
>>
>

Haha Rick,

I don't blame you. You can put the Domain in the safe list by right clicking on one the message and click "Junk E-mail", "Send senders Domain to Safe Senders list"; or adding it in the same Safe Sender list in the Junk Filter settings. (EX: whoever.com) This way anything from there will bypass the junk filter as well. It wil then go through your message rules and be redirected to where you send it.

Shawn

Right, thanks, but that won't work because the individuals on all my various
yahoogroups are writing from their own email account, so it's their personal
email address that appears in the FROM: field. Thousands of individuals
posting from thousands of different domains, new members arriving all the
time--there's no way I could keep up, and I shouldn't have to. This seems
like really bad programming logic on Microsoft's part -- this design
negatively affects any of the millions of subscribers to yahoogroups and
other listservs. Seems I should be able to say: as long as the address
mygroup@yahoogroups.com is in the TO: field, don't declare it as junk no
matter who the sender is.

Is it possible that no one at Microsoft is a member of a yahoogroup or any
other non-Microsoft listserv? :-)) I don't understand how they didn't think
of this!

"brink" <brink.2vl4y1@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:brink.2vl4y1@no-mx.forums.net...
>>
>
> Haha Rick,
>
> I don't blame you. You can put the Domain in the safe list by right
> clicking on one the message and click "Junk E-mail", "Send senders
> Domain to Safe Senders list"; or adding it in the same Safe Sender list
> in the Junk Filter settings. (EX: whoever.com) This way anything from
> there will bypass the junk filter as well. It wil then go through your
> message rules and be redirected to where you send it.
>
> Shawn
>

I haven't fully explored this yet, but I think WLM's custom
rules operate *before* the junk filter rules.
I don't want to use WLM's account folders, so I have a
message rule that redirects all incoming mail to a custom
folder. That folder receives everything, including the junk emails.

Gary VanderMolen

"Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message news:O$x6Q8q4HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Ah, that would explain it. I've always assumed that WM would see my rules and understand that if a message matches any of them,
> I'm implicitly declaring it legitimate mail. I have another email program whose junk mail filter is simply another rule, and I
> just make that rule my LAST one. Works perfectly: if a message doesn't meet any of these rules, then it's junk. That algorithm
> seems more logical to me.
>
> I subscribe to a number of email listservs, often on yahoogroups, and I'd like to route messages from them to special folders.
> They come in to me with a unique email address in the TO: field such as 'groupname@yahoogroups.com'. The FROM field could be
> anyone, but I still want the message routed to my special folder. I should be able to have a rule based on the TO field kick in
> before WM looks at the FROM field, doesn't recognize the sender, and declares it junk! There's no way I can put every member of
> all my email groups in my approved sender list--I don't know them all and don't want to!
>
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>
>
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message news:%23XMTWEo4HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>I believe the Junk E-mail rules operate before your custom rules do.
>> So, if WM thinks it is spam, your rules will never touch that message.
>>
>> Gary VanderMolen
>>
>>
>> "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message news:#vec9pm4HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi -- I'm still having problems and for the life of me I can't figure out why. Here's one Rule Description:
>>>
>>> Apply this rule after the message arrives
>>> Where the To or CC line contains 'psn@lists.colorado.edu'
>>> Move it to the PSN folder
>>> and Stop processing more rules
>>>
>>> Yet when a message comes in with psn@lists.colorado.edu in the TO field -- it doesn't have any other addresses in the TO
>>> field, and there's no CC or BCC addresses -- it often (not always, but erratically) for some reason ends up in my Junk folder.
>>> There are NO other rules that process messages with 'psn@lists.colorado.edu' in the TO field. This rule is the fiteenth of
>>> thirty-two rules that I have. And it's not by any means the only rule that's causing problems. Any thoughts? Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> "brink" <brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message news:brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net...
>>>>
>>>> Rick;408797 Wrote:
>>>>> I'm finding that my Message Rules sometimes don't work -- a message will
>>>>> occasionally end up (seemingly randomly) in my Inbox or Junk Mail
>>>>> rather
>>>>> than the folder I've specified. A typical rule has action = 'Move it to
>>>>> the
>>>>> specified folder', description is typically "from [a sender]" or "to [a
>>>>> sender]", and then the message is moved to the specified folder. I
>>>>> always
>>>>> make sure to include 'Stop Processing More Rules'. I have about 30
>>>>> rules.
>>>>> Am I doing something wrong? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rick,
>>>>
>>>> You are on the right track, but you need to double check to make sure
>>>> that you do not have any conflicting message rules. It might be easier
>>>> to write them all down exactly as they appear and sort through them that
>>>> way. It's simple, but time consuming.
>>>>
>>>> Shawn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> brink
>>>
>>
>

Hmmm...so you think that the explanation that's been offered for why my
rules work erratically might not be correct?


"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
news:OCEfyAt4HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I haven't fully explored this yet, but I think WLM's custom
> rules operate *before* the junk filter rules.
> I don't want to use WLM's account folders, so I have a
> message rule that redirects all incoming mail to a custom
> folder. That folder receives everything, including the junk emails.
>
> Gary VanderMolen
>
> "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:O$x6Q8q4HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Ah, that would explain it. I've always assumed that WM would see my
>> rules and understand that if a message matches any of them, I'm
>> implicitly declaring it legitimate mail. I have another email program
>> whose junk mail filter is simply another rule, and I just make that rule
>> my LAST one. Works perfectly: if a message doesn't meet any of these
>> rules, then it's junk. That algorithm seems more logical to me.
>>
>> I subscribe to a number of email listservs, often on yahoogroups, and I'd
>> like to route messages from them to special folders. They come in to me
>> with a unique email address in the TO: field such as
>> 'groupname@yahoogroups.com'. The FROM field could be anyone, but I still
>> want the message routed to my special folder. I should be able to have a
>> rule based on the TO field kick in before WM looks at the FROM field,
>> doesn't recognize the sender, and declares it junk! There's no way I can
>> put every member of all my email groups in my approved sender list--I
>> don't know them all and don't want to!
>>
>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:%23XMTWEo4HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>I believe the Junk E-mail rules operate before your custom rules do.
>>> So, if WM thinks it is spam, your rules will never touch that message.
>>>
>>> Gary VanderMolen
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rick" <blue_no-spam-pls_heron3@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:#vec9pm4HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi -- I'm still having problems and for the life of me I can't figure
>>>> out why. Here's one Rule Description:
>>>>
>>>> Apply this rule after the message arrives
>>>> Where the To or CC line contains 'psn@lists.colorado.edu'
>>>> Move it to the PSN folder
>>>> and Stop processing more rules
>>>>
>>>> Yet when a message comes in with psn@lists.colorado.edu in the TO
>>>> field -- it doesn't have any other addresses in the TO field, and
>>>> there's no CC or BCC addresses -- it often (not always, but
>>>> erratically) for some reason ends up in my Junk folder. There are NO
>>>> other rules that process messages with 'psn@lists.colorado.edu' in the
>>>> TO field. This rule is the fiteenth of thirty-two rules that I have.
>>>> And it's not by any means the only rule that's causing problems. Any
>>>> thoughts? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "brink" <brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:brink.2urkd7@no-mx.forums.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick;408797 Wrote:
>>>>>> I'm finding that my Message Rules sometimes don't work -- a message
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> occasionally end up (seemingly randomly) in my Inbox or Junk Mail
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> than the folder I've specified. A typical rule has action = 'Move it
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> specified folder', description is typically "from [a sender]" or "to
>>>>>> [a
>>>>>> sender]", and then the message is moved to the specified folder. I
>>>>>> always
>>>>>> make sure to include 'Stop Processing More Rules'. I have about 30
>>>>>> rules.
>>>>>> Am I doing something wrong? Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rick,
>>>>>
>>>>> You are on the right track, but you need to double check to make sure
>>>>> that you do not have any conflicting message rules. It might be
>>>>> easier
>>>>> to write them all down exactly as they appear and sort through them
>>>>> that
>>>>> way. It's simple, but time consuming.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shawn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> brink
>>>>
>>>
>>
>