Vista - Gary VanderMolen?

Gary, you really should get off telling everyone with a Vista Mail problem
to stop using Norton/McAfee and/or switch to Windows Live Beta. Perhaps
until it gets sorted out they should just use an alternate email program. As
I had mentioned to you in an earlier post I am having similar problems and
use neither of those AV programs. I currently switched to Windows Live at
some ones suggestion and only moments ago had it come up with a not
responding while trying to open a picture file. The very same file opens
immediately in Thunderbird. So I proceeded to try the wmutil, first
compacting and then trying again to open the file, no luck, so tried the
repair option with the same result. Now I know how Betas work, so I also
would not recommend switching to Windows Live either. Suffice it to say I
have honestly tried each and every suggestion that has been provided you
Steve, and many others and it's not working. There has to be some common
denominators with those of use experiencing these issues, but I am not
positive it is in fact related to the AV programs we are using.

Bob

My advice is based on solid experience and is not given lightly.
The overwhelming majority of folks who switched to Windows Live Mail
have agreed with me that it is more stable and less buggy than WM.

Of all the regular responders here, we almost universally agree
that Norton/McAfee is bad for Windows Mail.

Since you have only your own experience to draw on (sample size=1),
you should not be attempting to countermand the collective wisdom
that has developed here from the experiences of many users.

And I agree that Thunderbird is a good choice for those who, for
various reasons, are not satisfied with WM or WLM.

Gary VanderMolen


"mrbjr" <mrbjr@comcast.net> wrote in message news:OL8kJ2t1HHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Gary, you really should get off telling everyone with a Vista Mail problem to stop using Norton/McAfee and/or switch to Windows
> Live Beta. Perhaps until it gets sorted out they should just use an alternate email program. As I had mentioned to you in an
> earlier post I am having similar problems and use neither of those AV programs. I currently switched to Windows Live at some
> ones suggestion and only moments ago had it come up with a not responding while trying to open a picture file. The very same
> file opens immediately in Thunderbird. So I proceeded to try the wmutil, first compacting and then trying again to open the
> file, no luck, so tried the repair option with the same result. Now I know how Betas work, so I also would not recommend
> switching to Windows Live either. Suffice it to say I have honestly tried each and every suggestion that has been provided you
> Steve, and many others and it's not working. There has to be some common denominators with those of use experiencing these
> issues, but I am not positive it is in fact related to the AV programs we are using.
>
> Bob

Gary VanderMolen wrote:
> My advice is based on solid experience and is not given lightly.
> The overwhelming majority of folks who switched to Windows Live Mail
> have agreed with me that it is more stable and less buggy than WM.
>
> Of all the regular responders here, we almost universally agree
> that Norton/McAfee is bad for Windows Mail.
>
> Since you have only your own experience to draw on (sample size=1),
> you should not be attempting to countermand the collective wisdom
> that has developed here from the experiences of many users.
>
> And I agree that Thunderbird is a good choice for those who, for
> various reasons, are not satisfied with WM or WLM.
>
> Gary VanderMolen
>
>
> "mrbjr" <mrbjr@comcast.net> wrote in message news:OL8kJ2t1HHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Gary, you really should get off telling everyone with a Vista Mail problem to stop using Norton/McAfee and/or switch to Windows
>> Live Beta. Perhaps until it gets sorted out they should just use an alternate email program. As I had mentioned to you in an
>> earlier post I am having similar problems and use neither of those AV programs. I currently switched to Windows Live at some
>> ones suggestion and only moments ago had it come up with a not responding while trying to open a picture file. The very same
>> file opens immediately in Thunderbird. So I proceeded to try the wmutil, first compacting and then trying again to open the
>> file, no luck, so tried the repair option with the same result. Now I know how Betas work, so I also would not recommend
>> switching to Windows Live either. Suffice it to say I have honestly tried each and every suggestion that has been provided you
>> Steve, and many others and it's not working. There has to be some common denominators with those of use experiencing these
>> issues, but I am not positive it is in fact related to the AV programs we are using.
>>
>> Bob
>
>
Gary, I am not trying to be disagreeable and your help has been
outstanding. I personally do not and have not used either Norton/McAfee
in over 10 years. My point is this, it may me some call or routine in
these programs that may be similar in other programs that those of us
having the continued problems have in common. Since we are having very
similar problems and not using the (problem) AV programs, would you not
agree? I will also point out that I personally never allow my AV to scan
my email as a matter of common sense as it slows the delivery
unnecessarily. Also, even though I have not been a frequent poster, I
have been a subscriber to the MS newsgroups for as long as they have
been available....

Bob

The reason why we harp on uninstalling Norton or McAfee is that I cannot begin to tell you how many people have had their problems resolved as soon as they fininshed uninstalling them, or their problems started as soon as they finished installing them. Yes, most definitely there are other causes for these problems that we have not narrowed down yet. We start with the usual suspects and go from there. When everything doesn't seem to work, we suggest using an alternative email program until MS decides to do something more permant to fix it. If you look at my site, you will see at the top portion that I do include alternatives as well as some solutions to the most common problems in Windows Mail.

Windows Mail problems

Gary is just trying to help as I am. Most of the time is easier to switch to a new email program or AV than to continually battle with the same problems of Windows Mail. For each their own though.

Shawn

"brink" <brink.2uurn7@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:brink.2uurn7@no-mx.forums.net...
>
> Bob;410492 Wrote:
>> Gary VanderMolen wrote:
>> > My advice is based on solid experience and is not given lightly.
>> > The overwhelming majority of folks who switched to Windows Live Mail
>> > have agreed with me that it is more stable and less buggy than WM.
>> >
>> > Of all the regular responders here, we almost universally agree
>> > that Norton/McAfee is bad for Windows Mail.
>> >
>> > Since you have only your own experience to draw on (sample size=1),
>> > you should not be attempting to countermand the collective wisdom
>> > that has developed here from the experiences of many users.
>> >
>> > And I agree that Thunderbird is a good choice for those who, for
>> > various reasons, are not satisfied with WM or WLM.
>> >
>> > Gary VanderMolen
>> >
>> >
>> > "mrbjr" <mrbjr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:OL8kJ2t1HHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >> Gary, you really should get off telling everyone with a Vista Mail
>> problem to stop using Norton/McAfee and/or switch to Windows
>> >> Live Beta. Perhaps until it gets sorted out they should just use an
>> alternate email program. As I had mentioned to you in an
>> >> earlier post I am having similar problems and use neither of those
>> AV programs. I currently switched to Windows Live at some
>> >> ones suggestion and only moments ago had it come up with a not
>> responding while trying to open a picture file. The very same
>> >> file opens immediately in Thunderbird. So I proceeded to try the
>> wmutil, first compacting and then trying again to open the
>> >> file, no luck, so tried the repair option with the same result. Now
>> I know how Betas work, so I also would not recommend
>> >> switching to Windows Live either. Suffice it to say I have honestly
>> tried each and every suggestion that has been provided you
>> >> Steve, and many others and it's not working. There has to be some
>> common denominators with those of use experiencing these
>> >> issues, but I am not positive it is in fact related to the AV
>> programs we are using.
>> >>
>> >> Bob
>> >
>> >
>> Gary, I am not trying to be disagreeable and your help has been
>> outstanding. I personally do not and have not used either Norton/McAfee
>> in over 10 years. My point is this, it may me some call or routine in
>> these programs that may be similar in other programs that those of us
>> having the continued problems have in common. Since we are having very
>> similar problems and not using the (problem) AV programs, would you not
>> agree? I will also point out that I personally never allow my AV to
>> scan
>> my email as a matter of common sense as it slows the delivery
>> unnecessarily. Also, even though I have not been a frequent poster, I
>> have been a subscriber to the MS newsgroups for as long as they have
>> been available....
>>
>> Bob
>
> The reason why we harp on uninstalling Norton or McAfee is that I
> cannot begin to tell you how many people have had their problems
> resolved as soon as they fininshed uninstalling them, or their problems
> started as soon as they finished installing them. Yes, most definitely
> there are other causes for these problems that we have not narrowed down
> yet. We start with the usual suspects and go from there. When
> everything doesn't seem to work, we suggest using an alternative email
> program until MS decides to do something more permant to fix it. If
> you look at my site, you will see at the top portion that I do include
> alternatives as well as some solutions to the most common problems in
> Windows Mail.
>
> Windows Mail problems
>
> Gary is just trying to help as I am. Most of the time is easier to
> switch to a new email program or AV than to continually battle with the
> same problems of Windows Mail. For each their own though.
>
> Shawn
>
>
> --
> brink
>
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First off I would like to apologize if my statements offended anyone. My
intention was to state that perhaps one could say that if they were running
either of the suspected programs they might try uninstalling to see if that
solved their problems. And to say that or use Windows Live Beta would be the
answer is my only issue. As I said in an earlier posits that I am having the
same issue in either Win Mail and Windows Live and do not use those
suspected programs and it seems that I'm not alone. It may well be the
solution for some, but after reading many past posts it seems it might work
sometime only to have the problem reappear again after a period of time. I
certainly know you guys are trying to help and really do an outstanding job.
So lets agree to disagree in friendly terms and find a useful fix.

Bob

Bob,

No offense taken what so ever. I definitely encourage people to speak their minds. That is the only way we can solve problems. I was just simply explaining why we make those suggestions. That's all. No biggy.

I am sorry that you see, to be one of those cases that none of the solutions work for. At least Thunderbird works for you. Perhaps one day, if Microsoft doesn't beat us to it (yeah right haha), we may be able to come up with a solution for the other problems as well.

Best wishes,
Shawn