Vista - too long to bring up reply window

I just installed windows email with Vista.
When I go to reply to emails it either freezes and says not responding or I
have to sit there for over 5 minutes before the window pops up to make the
reply.
I am on broadband verizon wireless. It seems to be fast in other ways and
have used it with outlook for a long time. Not sure what is wrong.

A workaround for this issue is contained at netorator.com or just visit NetOrator Dot Com

Below is simply the text from the website less the graphics and illustrations.

In the Windows Vista O/S, the Outlook Express program is not present. It has been replaced by "Windows Mail". Please note that Microsoft may have renamed this product by the time you read this.

The Only Issues in Vista Windows Mail that this workaround specifically applies to are as follows:

1. Ten Second Plus Delay on "CREATE" New Email Message.

2. Ten Second Plus Delay on "REPLY" or "FORWARD" Existing Email Message.
3. Variable Delay in "AutoFill" Email Address from Address Book.

4. Ten Second Plus Delay When Called From a Web Browser to "CREATE" a New Email Message.


Please note that I was able to reduce the delays above, which were very painful and increasing in duration, to less than 1 second. My Windows Vista Mail now has the Speedy Response of Outlook Express V6. The sluggish (unbearable) response in WinMail.exe is NOT a function of your hardware or processor speed. Nor is it a figment of your imagination or diminished mental capacity. It is very real and usually lasts for 5 to 10 seconds for each elemental use of WinMail, in effect totally wasting almost an hour of an average workday.

The issue at stake is the CONTACT FILES contained in your Contact Folder below your Desktop Folder.

In most default cases it is located at:
C:\Users\$LoginUserName$\Desktop\Contacts

Please note that you must substitute YOUR actual Vista Login Credential Name in the above path without the "$" Dollar Signs.

I discovered the source of the delay utilizing two Microsoft Diagnostic Utilities- Process Monitor (ProcMon) and Process Explorer. Both utilities are free downloads at Microsoft TechNet Home Page

WinMail.exe automatically imported 2,225 Contacts from my previous version of Outlook Express [V6], creating a Folder named CONTACTS beneath my Desktop as per the path above. The Contact Folder contained prehistoric email addresses totaling in size over 3.0MB of disk space.

Utilizing Procmon I was able to drill down and focus solely on the WinMail.exe process in real time, and watch every function call for the registry, memory, disk, etc. What I discovered was that every time I opened an email, the WinMail.exe process would create an average of TEN (10) Linear Function Calls to the O/S, as per the example below. The total real time processor usage (DELAY) for each Contact to be processed was an average of .0035 Seconds. It doesn't sound like a large amount of time, but multiply 2,225 by .0035 and you will readily see that you have wasted 7.8 Seconds just parsing the same files over and over and over !!!! I watched in real time while WinMail.exe whittled away 8 seconds every time I used email, and continuosly opened and closed the same static contact files over 22,225 times for EACH email I Created, Opened, Replied To, Forwarded, or Web Created.

It is totally obvious to me that there was scarcely any Q/A testing at Microsoft before Vista was released. I had less problems evaluating the Beta Version than I do the RTM Version!

So what is the workaround ???? The 64,000 Dollar Question.... Until Microsoft admits that they inserted a function call in the wrong routine, we are stuck with fixing the problem by limiting the size of the contact folder. You can do a very quick and easy analysis to verify proof of concept. Simply move all of your files contained in the above captioned Contacts Folder to a Temporary Folder somewhere else on your hard drive. After they are moved restart WinMail.exe and see how fast all of your emails work. You won't have any contacts but you can insert them back into the Folder, from the temporary folder, about 50 at a time. I am not sure what the total number of contact files begin the long delays, so you'll have to figure that out for yourself.

I performed a slight alteration to the above. I simply Copied my Contact Files to a safe backup folder, and then sorted my Contact List located at the path above, by date. I then deleted about 1,900 contacts which were older than 6 months. I now have about 100 Contact Files in my Contact Folder and WinMail.exe still flies.

I imagine that there will come a time when the contact files grow too numerous. I am sure it will be long before Microsoft releases a patch for the problem. So until then I will hold my breath!

In other words, don't expect a Microsoft patch/update/fix or whatever to correct this ugly problem anytime in 2007.

Alternate input is welcome- eddie@SPUBOL.com

eddie@SPUBOL.com

Hope this helps !!!!

Try the fix for Windows Mail slowness:
Windows Mail Slow

Gary VanderMolen


"Superemb" <Superemb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:23D0C406-6784-41E6-B954-62EBD4259BEA@microsoft.com...
>I just installed windows email with Vista.
> When I go to reply to emails it either freezes and says not responding or I
> have to sit there for over 5 minutes before the window pops up to make the
> reply.
> I am on broadband verizon wireless. It seems to be fast in other ways and
> have used it with outlook for a long time. Not sure what is wrong.

Thanks,
I have already tried that 3 times. I alos opened my calender, changed my
security settings to internet from restricted and stopped my antivirus
program form scanning inbound and outbound mail.
I am using webroot for spyware and the virus program is called Trend Micro
both of which Best Buy put into my computer when they set it up yesterday.
I did update my Plaxo address book last night.
It seems almost anything I do in the email program it goes into not
responding. This includes changing emails form one to the next seems to take
forever to open it also. Trying to delete emails or call them junk. The reply
part is the worst.
My husbands works fine. I bought his computer a couple weeks ago. It wseems
a little slow when it opens but everything else is fine.
I wonder if it is a Toshiba Laptop thing. At Best Buy I was recommended this
laptop becuase I wanted speed to mostly do email an dI wanted it small for
travel.
I am giving so much info hoping we can find a common reason for the ones
that are still having problems. When Microsoft bought out the spam company
Giant I was happy that the spam filters would be better. Now that I am trying
out Vista email I am thinking I was wrong to think Microsoft would make the
email programs better then outlook. I have tried thunderbird in the past but
it does not hold the amount of email that I have.
Thank you for your help..

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

> Try the fix for Windows Mail slowness:
> Windows Mail Slow
>
> Gary VanderMolen
>
>
> "Superemb" <Superemb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:23D0C406-6784-41E6-B954-62EBD4259BEA@microsoft.com...
> >I just installed windows email with Vista.
> > When I go to reply to emails it either freezes and says not responding or I
> > have to sit there for over 5 minutes before the window pops up to make the
> > reply.
> > I am on broadband verizon wireless. It seems to be fast in other ways and
> > have used it with outlook for a long time. Not sure what is wrong.
>
>
>

Sorry to hear that the slowness fix did not work for you.
The only other suggestion I have is to try Windows Live Mail:
http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas

Gary VanderMolen


"Superemb" <Superemb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:6E3E0918-2E06-460E-8B08-F70BAD6805AD@microsoft.com...
> Thanks,
> I have already tried that 3 times. I alos opened my calender, changed my
> security settings to internet from restricted and stopped my antivirus
> program form scanning inbound and outbound mail.
> I am using webroot for spyware and the virus program is called Trend Micro
> both of which Best Buy put into my computer when they set it up yesterday.
> I did update my Plaxo address book last night.
> It seems almost anything I do in the email program it goes into not
> responding. This includes changing emails form one to the next seems to take
> forever to open it also. Trying to delete emails or call them junk. The reply
> part is the worst.
> My husbands works fine. I bought his computer a couple weeks ago. It wseems
> a little slow when it opens but everything else is fine.
> I wonder if it is a Toshiba Laptop thing. At Best Buy I was recommended this
> laptop becuase I wanted speed to mostly do email an dI wanted it small for
> travel.
> I am giving so much info hoping we can find a common reason for the ones
> that are still having problems. When Microsoft bought out the spam company
> Giant I was happy that the spam filters would be better. Now that I am trying
> out Vista email I am thinking I was wrong to think Microsoft would make the
> email programs better then outlook. I have tried thunderbird in the past but
> it does not hold the amount of email that I have.
> Thank you for your help..
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>
>> Try the fix for Windows Mail slowness:
>> Windows Mail Slow
>>
>> Gary VanderMolen
>>
>>
>> "Superemb" <Superemb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:23D0C406-6784-41E6-B954-62EBD4259BEA@microsoft.com...
>> >I just installed windows email with Vista.
>> > When I go to reply to emails it either freezes and says not responding or I
>> > have to sit there for over 5 minutes before the window pops up to make the
>> > reply.
>> > I am on broadband verizon wireless. It seems to be fast in other ways and
>> > have used it with outlook for a long time. Not sure what is wrong.
>>
>>
>>

Thanks but I get tooo much mail to try the live mail. The format won't work
with 600 spam emails a day.
I brought it to work this morning and handed it off to my computer guy who
was here fixing something else. I figured he could transfer my documents at
the same time.
If I can't get it running I'll purchase outlook for this computer.
I wonder if it is an email thing or a broadband thing, or a spyware, virus
protection thing. Jus tnot sure where to start.
thanks again(-:

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

> Sorry to hear that the slowness fix did not work for you.
> The only other suggestion I have is to try Windows Live Mail:
> http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas
>
> Gary VanderMolen
>
>
> "Superemb" <Superemb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:6E3E0918-2E06-460E-8B08-F70BAD6805AD@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks,
> > I have already tried that 3 times. I alos opened my calender, changed my
> > security settings to internet from restricted and stopped my antivirus
> > program form scanning inbound and outbound mail.
> > I am using webroot for spyware and the virus program is called Trend Micro
> > both of which Best Buy put into my computer when they set it up yesterday.
> > I did update my Plaxo address book last night.
> > It seems almost anything I do in the email program it goes into not
> > responding. This includes changing emails form one to the next seems to take
> > forever to open it also. Trying to delete emails or call them junk. The reply
> > part is the worst.
> > My husbands works fine. I bought his computer a couple weeks ago. It wseems
> > a little slow when it opens but everything else is fine.
> > I wonder if it is a Toshiba Laptop thing. At Best Buy I was recommended this
> > laptop becuase I wanted speed to mostly do email an dI wanted it small for
> > travel.
> > I am giving so much info hoping we can find a common reason for the ones
> > that are still having problems. When Microsoft bought out the spam company
> > Giant I was happy that the spam filters would be better. Now that I am trying
> > out Vista email I am thinking I was wrong to think Microsoft would make the
> > email programs better then outlook. I have tried thunderbird in the past but
> > it does not hold the amount of email that I have.
> > Thank you for your help..
> >
> > "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
> >
> >> Try the fix for Windows Mail slowness:
> >> Windows Mail Slow
> >>
> >> Gary VanderMolen
> >>
> >>
> >> "Superemb" <Superemb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:23D0C406-6784-41E6-B954-62EBD4259BEA@microsoft.com...
> >> >I just installed windows email with Vista.
> >> > When I go to reply to emails it either freezes and says not responding or I
> >> > have to sit there for over 5 minutes before the window pops up to make the
> >> > reply.
> >> > I am on broadband verizon wireless. It seems to be fast in other ways and
> >> > have used it with outlook for a long time. Not sure what is wrong.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

What format? You seem to have a wrong concept of what WLM is.
Windows Live Mail (WLM) is simply a standard mail client like WM
+ Hotmail access. You don't have to use the Hotmail capability if
you don't want to. However, with the volume of mail you handle,
you may be better suited with a very stable client like Outlook.

Gary VanderMolen

"Superemb" <Superemb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9A98D46D-73A3-4845-AAB3-3C7EE9851506@microsoft.com...
> Thanks but I get tooo much mail to try the live mail. The format won't work
> with 600 spam emails a day.
> I brought it to work this morning and handed it off to my computer guy who
> was here fixing something else. I figured he could transfer my documents at
> the same time.
> If I can't get it running I'll purchase outlook for this computer.
> I wonder if it is an email thing or a broadband thing, or a spyware, virus
> protection thing. Jus tnot sure where to start.
> thanks again(-:
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>
>> Sorry to hear that the slowness fix did not work for you.
>> The only other suggestion I have is to try Windows Live Mail:
>> http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas
>>
>> Gary VanderMolen
>>
>>
>> "Superemb" <Superemb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:6E3E0918-2E06-460E-8B08-F70BAD6805AD@microsoft.com...
>> > Thanks,
>> > I have already tried that 3 times. I alos opened my calender, changed my
>> > security settings to internet from restricted and stopped my antivirus
>> > program form scanning inbound and outbound mail.
>> > I am using webroot for spyware and the virus program is called Trend Micro
>> > both of which Best Buy put into my computer when they set it up yesterday.
>> > I did update my Plaxo address book last night.
>> > It seems almost anything I do in the email program it goes into not
>> > responding. This includes changing emails form one to the next seems to take
>> > forever to open it also. Trying to delete emails or call them junk. The reply
>> > part is the worst.
>> > My husbands works fine. I bought his computer a couple weeks ago. It wseems
>> > a little slow when it opens but everything else is fine.
>> > I wonder if it is a Toshiba Laptop thing. At Best Buy I was recommended this
>> > laptop becuase I wanted speed to mostly do email an dI wanted it small for
>> > travel.
>> > I am giving so much info hoping we can find a common reason for the ones
>> > that are still having problems. When Microsoft bought out the spam company
>> > Giant I was happy that the spam filters would be better. Now that I am trying
>> > out Vista email I am thinking I was wrong to think Microsoft would make the
>> > email programs better then outlook. I have tried thunderbird in the past but
>> > it does not hold the amount of email that I have.
>> > Thank you for your help..
>> >
>> > "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Try the fix for Windows Mail slowness:
>> >> Windows Mail Slow
>> >>
>> >> Gary VanderMolen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Superemb" <Superemb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:23D0C406-6784-41E6-B954-62EBD4259BEA@microsoft.com...
>> >> >I just installed windows email with Vista.
>> >> > When I go to reply to emails it either freezes and says not responding or I
>> >> > have to sit there for over 5 minutes before the window pops up to make the
>> >> > reply.
>> >> > I am on broadband verizon wireless. It seems to be fast in other ways and
>> >> > have used it with outlook for a long time. Not sure what is wrong.

You may want to point your computer guy to
http://netorator.com, which has another method for eliminating
Windows Mail slowness.

Gary VanderMolen

"Superemb" <Superemb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9A98D46D-73A3-4845-AAB3-3C7EE9851506@microsoft.com...
> Thanks but I get tooo much mail to try the live mail. The format won't work
> with 600 spam emails a day.
> I brought it to work this morning and handed it off to my computer guy who
> was here fixing something else. I figured he could transfer my documents at
> the same time.
> If I can't get it running I'll purchase outlook for this computer.
> I wonder if it is an email thing or a broadband thing, or a spyware, virus
> protection thing. Jus tnot sure where to start.
> thanks again(-:
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>
>> Sorry to hear that the slowness fix did not work for you.
>> The only other suggestion I have is to try Windows Live Mail:
>> http://get.live.com/betas/maildesktop_betas
>>
>> Gary VanderMolen
>>
>>
>> "Superemb" <Superemb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:6E3E0918-2E06-460E-8B08-F70BAD6805AD@microsoft.com...
>> > Thanks,
>> > I have already tried that 3 times. I alos opened my calender, changed my
>> > security settings to internet from restricted and stopped my antivirus
>> > program form scanning inbound and outbound mail.
>> > I am using webroot for spyware and the virus program is called Trend Micro
>> > both of which Best Buy put into my computer when they set it up yesterday.
>> > I did update my Plaxo address book last night.
>> > It seems almost anything I do in the email program it goes into not
>> > responding. This includes changing emails form one to the next seems to take
>> > forever to open it also. Trying to delete emails or call them junk. The reply
>> > part is the worst.
>> > My husbands works fine. I bought his computer a couple weeks ago. It wseems
>> > a little slow when it opens but everything else is fine.
>> > I wonder if it is a Toshiba Laptop thing. At Best Buy I was recommended this
>> > laptop becuase I wanted speed to mostly do email an dI wanted it small for
>> > travel.
>> > I am giving so much info hoping we can find a common reason for the ones
>> > that are still having problems. When Microsoft bought out the spam company
>> > Giant I was happy that the spam filters would be better. Now that I am trying
>> > out Vista email I am thinking I was wrong to think Microsoft would make the
>> > email programs better then outlook. I have tried thunderbird in the past but
>> > it does not hold the amount of email that I have.
>> > Thank you for your help..
>> >
>> > "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Try the fix for Windows Mail slowness:
>> >> Windows Mail Slow
>> >>
>> >> Gary VanderMolen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Superemb" <Superemb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:23D0C406-6784-41E6-B954-62EBD4259BEA@microsoft.com...
>> >> >I just installed windows email with Vista.
>> >> > When I go to reply to emails it either freezes and says not responding or I
>> >> > have to sit there for over 5 minutes before the window pops up to make the
>> >> > reply.
>> >> > I am on broadband verizon wireless. It seems to be fast in other ways and
>> >> > have used it with outlook for a long time. Not sure what is wrong.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

SUPEREMB

Humor Me !!!

Using Windows Explorer (not Internet Explorer), navigate to:
C:\Users\$LoginUserName$\Desktop\Contacts

Please note that you must substitute YOUR actual Vista Login Credential Name in the above path without the "$" Dollar Signs.

Move ALL of your Contact Files to different temporary directory somewhere else on the same hard drive. Simply Select ALL Files and CUT and then PASTE into a different temporary folder such as C:\Contacts-BAK

CUT and PASTE will MOVE your Files and not just copy them. After the Cut/Paste your above referenced Contact Folder should be EMPTY !!!



Now Close Vista Windows Mail, including all open instances such as messages or address book, etc.

Start Windows Mail and see if your DELAY Problems are gone. Don't worry about the address book for right now, just let me know if the DELAY is gone.

Eddie Miller
eddie@SPUBOL.com
Workaround: netorator.com