Vista - Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotmail

09-06-2007

Yeah, the page I linked to is the typical glossy end user spiel,
very short on technical details.
Sorry, the installer for the new 'Live' products can't do 64-bit
installs. Microsoft earlier today promised to develop a workaround.
The newest version of WLM is 12.0.1365.

Gary VanderMolen

"R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:6C2293E8-7CB1-4335-9DB1-B9B1095B5EC7@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Hi, Gary.
>
> Thanks for the link, but it confuses me!
>
> The only "Live" program that I'm interested in (for now, at least) is WLM. Trying to download just that gets me going in
> circles, downloading WLInstaller.exe. But when I Run that program, I get the message that "Windows Live programs can't be
> installed on this operating system."
>
> Is that because I'm running Windows Vista Ultimate x64? Is it the 64-bits that is stopping it? Or the Vista?
>
> What "new version"? Is it a later beta than 12.0.1184? Or is it the "final" version? I can't seem to find any of this info at
> the link you gave. I get lost in the "maze of twisty little passages". :>(
>
> And I have to be out for the next several hours, so I won't be able to try to puzzle it out until tomorrow, I suppose.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@xxxxxx
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64)
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eb1CvAD8HHA.5712@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Not sure if the links previously mentioned will get you the new
>> version of Windows Live Mail that was released this afternoon.
>> Go to http://get.live.com/wl/all
>> and select which 'Live' programs you want to download.
>>
>> Gary VanderMolen
>>
>> "EW" <ewyatt_del_me-@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:46df40d4$0$47120$892e7fe2@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>> Thanks, R.C., for the good info. Just what I wanted to hear. Currently I'm using Windows Live Hotmail (web) for accessing my
>>> acct, and it does the job. I simply like desktop clients better -- like OE is for XP.
>>>
>>> I'll try the beta after reading your comments. Thanks again for the words.
>>>
>>> EW
>>>
>>> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:A242AA32-C9D3-4C89-A195-3FFA5681A0B7@xxxxxx
>>>> Hi, EW.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not Gary, but...
>>>>
>>>> I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta; the current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has
>>>> hinted strongly that there will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still months away. I used the
>>>> now-defunct WLMD beta for only a few days at the end of its life, just long enough to know that I like WLM better.

>

09-06-2007

Hi, Gary.

Yeah, that page was written by Marketing, wasn't it? Long on all the
wonderful things that we can do with the new Live, but very short on details
of HOW we can do those things. :>(

A user named "fi3ryfr3ako" has posted a fix in
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop, Subject: A How-To Guide to
Installing The Windows Live Suite. Unfortunately, I can't find my hex
editor to make the one-byte patch to WLInstaller.exe, so I can't try it yet.
Maybe MSFT will come through with the 64-bit installer and I won't have to
do it myself.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@xxxxxx
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64)

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eWAcxqM8HHA.1188@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Yeah, the page I linked to is the typical glossy end user spiel,
> very short on technical details.
> Sorry, the installer for the new 'Live' products can't do 64-bit
> installs. Microsoft earlier today promised to develop a workaround.
> The newest version of WLM is 12.0.1365.
>
> Gary VanderMolen
>
>
> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:6C2293E8-7CB1-4335-9DB1-B9B1095B5EC7@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Hi, Gary.
>>
>> Thanks for the link, but it confuses me!
>>
>> The only "Live" program that I'm interested in (for now, at least) is
>> WLM. Trying to download just that gets me going in circles, downloading
>> WLInstaller.exe. But when I Run that program, I get the message that
>> "Windows Live programs can't be installed on this operating system."
>>
>> Is that because I'm running Windows Vista Ultimate x64? Is it the
>> 64-bits that is stopping it? Or the Vista?
>>
>> What "new version"? Is it a later beta than 12.0.1184? Or is it the
>> "final" version? I can't seem to find any of this info at the link you
>> gave. I get lost in the "maze of twisty little passages". :>(
>>
>> And I have to be out for the next several hours, so I won't be able to
>> try to puzzle it out until tomorrow, I suppose.
>>
>> RC
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:eb1CvAD8HHA.5712@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>> Not sure if the links previously mentioned will get you the new
>>> version of Windows Live Mail that was released this afternoon.
>>> Go to http://get.live.com/wl/all
>>> and select which 'Live' programs you want to download.
>>>
>>> Gary VanderMolen

09-14-2007

I think the clue to my original question is here. Has it got something to do
with what is referred to as a "desktop client" ie.WM and a "web based
client" ie. WLM?

Do I have the terminology right??

Is there an advantage or a preference for desktop vesus web based
clients/services???

Thanks,

bj

"EW" wrote:

Quote:

> Thanks, R.C., for the good info. Just what I wanted to hear. Currently I'm
> using Windows Live Hotmail (web) for accessing my acct, and it does the job.
> I simply like desktop clients better -- like OE is for XP.
>
> I'll try the beta after reading your comments. Thanks again for the words.
>
> EW
>
> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:A242AA32-C9D3-4C89-A195-3FFA5681A0B7@xxxxxx

Quote:

> > Hi, EW.
> >
> > I'm not Gary, but...
> >
> > I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta;
> > the current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has hinted strongly that
> > there will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still
> > months away. I used the now-defunct WLMD beta for only a few days at the
> > end of its life, just long enough to know that I like WLM better.
> >

>
>
>

09-14-2007

No. Both WLM and WM are 'desktop' clients, meaning a stand-alone
email program that doesn't use a browser for mail reading.

Gary VanderMolen

"Beejaysoo" <Beejaysoo@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:9F8E1817-0FBC-4658-8DE9-85F33B6B2A08@xxxxxx

Quote:

> I think the clue to my original question is here. Has it got something to do
> with what is referred to as a "desktop client" ie.WM and a "web based
> client" ie. WLM?
>
> Do I have the terminology right??
>
> Is there an advantage or a preference for desktop vesus web based
> clients/services???
>
> Thanks,
>
> bj
>
>
> "EW" wrote:
>

Quote:

>> Thanks, R.C., for the good info. Just what I wanted to hear. Currently I'm
>> using Windows Live Hotmail (web) for accessing my acct, and it does the job.
>> I simply like desktop clients better -- like OE is for XP.
>>
>> I'll try the beta after reading your comments. Thanks again for the words.
>>
>> EW
>>
>> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:A242AA32-C9D3-4C89-A195-3FFA5681A0B7@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> > Hi, EW.
>> >
>> > I'm not Gary, but...
>> >
>> > I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta;
>> > the current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has hinted strongly that
>> > there will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still
>> > months away. I used the now-defunct WLMD beta for only a few days at the
>> > end of its life, just long enough to know that I like WLM better.
>> >

>>
>>
>>

09-14-2007

Thanks again Gary.

I guess I'll just wait until WLM comes out of beta or I find I need more
than what WM gives me.

Thanks,

bj

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Quote:

> No. Both WLM and WM are 'desktop' clients, meaning a stand-alone
> email program that doesn't use a browser for mail reading.
>
> Gary VanderMolen
>
> "Beejaysoo" <Beejaysoo@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:9F8E1817-0FBC-4658-8DE9-85F33B6B2A08@xxxxxx

Quote:

> > I think the clue to my original question is here. Has it got something to do
> > with what is referred to as a "desktop client" ie.WM and a "web based
> > client" ie. WLM?
> >
> > Do I have the terminology right??
> >
> > Is there an advantage or a preference for desktop vesus web based
> > clients/services???
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > bj
> >
> >
> > "EW" wrote:
> >

Quote:

> >> Thanks, R.C., for the good info. Just what I wanted to hear. Currently I'm
> >> using Windows Live Hotmail (web) for accessing my acct, and it does the job.
> >> I simply like desktop clients better -- like OE is for XP.
> >>
> >> I'll try the beta after reading your comments. Thanks again for the words.
> >>
> >> EW
> >>
> >> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:A242AA32-C9D3-4C89-A195-3FFA5681A0B7@xxxxxx
> >> > Hi, EW.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not Gary, but...
> >> >
> >> > I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta;
> >> > the current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has hinted strongly that
> >> > there will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still
> >> > months away. I used the now-defunct WLMD beta for only a few days at the
> >> > end of its life, just long enough to know that I like WLM better.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>

09-14-2007

OK. Just keep monitoring this forum, since this will be one of the
first few places where the final release of WLM will be announced.

Gary VanderMolen

"Beejaysoo" <Beejaysoo@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:F0433446-CE73-4E57-9C82-0BD5F30E36A9@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Thanks again Gary.
>
> I guess I'll just wait until WLM comes out of beta or I find I need more
> than what WM gives me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> bj
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>

Quote:

>> No. Both WLM and WM are 'desktop' clients, meaning a stand-alone
>> email program that doesn't use a browser for mail reading.
>>
>> Gary VanderMolen
>>
>> "Beejaysoo" <Beejaysoo@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:9F8E1817-0FBC-4658-8DE9-85F33B6B2A08@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> > I think the clue to my original question is here. Has it got something to do
>> > with what is referred to as a "desktop client" ie.WM and a "web based
>> > client" ie. WLM?
>> >
>> > Do I have the terminology right??
>> >
>> > Is there an advantage or a preference for desktop vesus web based
>> > clients/services???
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > bj
>> >
>> >
>> > "EW" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks, R.C., for the good info. Just what I wanted to hear. Currently I'm
>> >> using Windows Live Hotmail (web) for accessing my acct, and it does the job.
>> >> I simply like desktop clients better -- like OE is for XP.
>> >>
>> >> I'll try the beta after reading your comments. Thanks again for the words.
>> >>
>> >> EW
>> >>
>> >> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:A242AA32-C9D3-4C89-A195-3FFA5681A0B7@xxxxxx
>> >> > Hi, EW.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not Gary, but...
>> >> >
>> >> > I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta;
>> >> > the current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has hinted strongly that
>> >> > there will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still
>> >> > months away. I used the now-defunct WLMD beta for only a few days at the
>> >> > end of its life, just long enough to know that I like WLM better.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>

>>
>>

09-06-2007	#11 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen n/a posts	Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotmail Yeah, the page I linked to is the typical glossy end user spiel, very short on technical details. Sorry, the installer for the new 'Live' products can't do 64-bit installs. Microsoft earlier today promised to develop a workaround. The newest version of WLM is 12.0.1365. Gary VanderMolen "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:6C2293E8-7CB1-4335-9DB1-B9B1095B5EC7@xxxxxx Quote: > Hi, Gary. > > Thanks for the link, but it confuses me! > > The only "Live" program that I'm interested in (for now, at least) is WLM. Trying to download just that gets me going in > circles, downloading WLInstaller.exe. But when I Run that program, I get the message that "Windows Live programs can't be > installed on this operating system." > > Is that because I'm running Windows Vista Ultimate x64? Is it the 64-bits that is stopping it? Or the Vista? > > What "new version"? Is it a later beta than 12.0.1184? Or is it the "final" version? I can't seem to find any of this info at > the link you gave. I get lost in the "maze of twisty little passages". :>( > > And I have to be out for the next several hours, so I won't be able to try to puzzle it out until tomorrow, I suppose. > > RC > -- > R. C. White, CPA > San Marcos, TX > rc@xxxxxx > Microsoft Windows MVP > (Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64) > > "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eb1CvAD8HHA.5712@xxxxxx Quote: >> Not sure if the links previously mentioned will get you the new >> version of Windows Live Mail that was released this afternoon. >> Go to http://get.live.com/wl/all >> and select which 'Live' programs you want to download. >> >> Gary VanderMolen >> >> "EW" <ewyatt_del_me-@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:46df40d4$0$47120$892e7fe2@xxxxxx Quote: >>> Thanks, R.C., for the good info. Just what I wanted to hear. Currently I'm using Windows Live Hotmail (web) for accessing my >>> acct, and it does the job. I simply like desktop clients better -- like OE is for XP. >>> >>> I'll try the beta after reading your comments. Thanks again for the words. >>> >>> EW >>> >>> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:A242AA32-C9D3-4C89-A195-3FFA5681A0B7@xxxxxx >>>> Hi, EW. >>>> >>>> I'm not Gary, but... >>>> >>>> I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta; the current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has >>>> hinted strongly that there will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still months away. I used the >>>> now-defunct WLMD beta for only a few days at the end of its life, just long enough to know that I like WLM better. >
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09-06-2007	#12 (permalink)
R. C. White n/a posts	Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotmail Hi, Gary. Yeah, that page was written by Marketing, wasn't it? Long on all the wonderful things that we can do with the new Live, but very short on details of HOW we can do those things. :>( A user named "fi3ryfr3ako" has posted a fix in microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop, Subject: A How-To Guide to Installing The Windows Live Suite. Unfortunately, I can't find my hex editor to make the one-byte patch to WLInstaller.exe, so I can't try it yet. Maybe MSFT will come through with the 64-bit installer and I won't have to do it myself. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX rc@xxxxxx Microsoft Windows MVP (Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64) "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eWAcxqM8HHA.1188@xxxxxx Quote: > Yeah, the page I linked to is the typical glossy end user spiel, > very short on technical details. > Sorry, the installer for the new 'Live' products can't do 64-bit > installs. Microsoft earlier today promised to develop a workaround. > The newest version of WLM is 12.0.1365. > > Gary VanderMolen > > > "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:6C2293E8-7CB1-4335-9DB1-B9B1095B5EC7@xxxxxx Quote: >> Hi, Gary. >> >> Thanks for the link, but it confuses me! >> >> The only "Live" program that I'm interested in (for now, at least) is >> WLM. Trying to download just that gets me going in circles, downloading >> WLInstaller.exe. But when I Run that program, I get the message that >> "Windows Live programs can't be installed on this operating system." >> >> Is that because I'm running Windows Vista Ultimate x64? Is it the >> 64-bits that is stopping it? Or the Vista? >> >> What "new version"? Is it a later beta than 12.0.1184? Or is it the >> "final" version? I can't seem to find any of this info at the link you >> gave. I get lost in the "maze of twisty little passages". :>( >> >> And I have to be out for the next several hours, so I won't be able to >> try to puzzle it out until tomorrow, I suppose. >> >> RC >> >> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:eb1CvAD8HHA.5712@xxxxxx Quote: >>> Not sure if the links previously mentioned will get you the new >>> version of Windows Live Mail that was released this afternoon. >>> Go to http://get.live.com/wl/all >>> and select which 'Live' programs you want to download. >>> >>> Gary VanderMolen
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09-14-2007	#13 (permalink)
Beejaysoo n/a posts	Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotma I think the clue to my original question is here. Has it got something to do with what is referred to as a "desktop client" ie.WM and a "web based client" ie. WLM? Do I have the terminology right?? Is there an advantage or a preference for desktop vesus web based clients/services??? Thanks, bj "EW" wrote: Quote: > Thanks, R.C., for the good info. Just what I wanted to hear. Currently I'm > using Windows Live Hotmail (web) for accessing my acct, and it does the job. > I simply like desktop clients better -- like OE is for XP. > > I'll try the beta after reading your comments. Thanks again for the words. > > EW > > "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:A242AA32-C9D3-4C89-A195-3FFA5681A0B7@xxxxxx Quote: > > Hi, EW. > > > > I'm not Gary, but... > > > > I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta; > > the current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has hinted strongly that > > there will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still > > months away. I used the now-defunct WLMD beta for only a few days at the > > end of its life, just long enough to know that I like WLM better. > > > > >
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09-14-2007	#14 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen n/a posts	Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotma No. Both WLM and WM are 'desktop' clients, meaning a stand-alone email program that doesn't use a browser for mail reading. Gary VanderMolen "Beejaysoo" <Beejaysoo@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:9F8E1817-0FBC-4658-8DE9-85F33B6B2A08@xxxxxx Quote: > I think the clue to my original question is here. Has it got something to do > with what is referred to as a "desktop client" ie.WM and a "web based > client" ie. WLM? > > Do I have the terminology right?? > > Is there an advantage or a preference for desktop vesus web based > clients/services??? > > Thanks, > > bj > > > "EW" wrote: > Quote: >> Thanks, R.C., for the good info. Just what I wanted to hear. Currently I'm >> using Windows Live Hotmail (web) for accessing my acct, and it does the job. >> I simply like desktop clients better -- like OE is for XP. >> >> I'll try the beta after reading your comments. Thanks again for the words. >> >> EW >> >> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:A242AA32-C9D3-4C89-A195-3FFA5681A0B7@xxxxxx Quote: >> > Hi, EW. >> > >> > I'm not Gary, but... >> > >> > I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta; >> > the current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has hinted strongly that >> > there will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still >> > months away. I used the now-defunct WLMD beta for only a few days at the >> > end of its life, just long enough to know that I like WLM better. >> > >> >> >>
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09-14-2007	#15 (permalink)
Beejaysoo n/a posts	Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotma Thanks again Gary. I guess I'll just wait until WLM comes out of beta or I find I need more than what WM gives me. Thanks, bj "Gary VanderMolen" wrote: Quote: > No. Both WLM and WM are 'desktop' clients, meaning a stand-alone > email program that doesn't use a browser for mail reading. > > Gary VanderMolen > > "Beejaysoo" <Beejaysoo@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:9F8E1817-0FBC-4658-8DE9-85F33B6B2A08@xxxxxx Quote: > > I think the clue to my original question is here. Has it got something to do > > with what is referred to as a "desktop client" ie.WM and a "web based > > client" ie. WLM? > > > > Do I have the terminology right?? > > > > Is there an advantage or a preference for desktop vesus web based > > clients/services??? > > > > Thanks, > > > > bj > > > > > > "EW" wrote: > > Quote: > >> Thanks, R.C., for the good info. Just what I wanted to hear. Currently I'm > >> using Windows Live Hotmail (web) for accessing my acct, and it does the job. > >> I simply like desktop clients better -- like OE is for XP. > >> > >> I'll try the beta after reading your comments. Thanks again for the words. > >> > >> EW > >> > >> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message > >> news:A242AA32-C9D3-4C89-A195-3FFA5681A0B7@xxxxxx > >> > Hi, EW. > >> > > >> > I'm not Gary, but... > >> > > >> > I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta; > >> > the current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has hinted strongly that > >> > there will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still > >> > months away. I used the now-defunct WLMD beta for only a few days at the > >> > end of its life, just long enough to know that I like WLM better. > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >
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09-14-2007	#16 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen n/a posts	Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotma OK. Just keep monitoring this forum, since this will be one of the first few places where the final release of WLM will be announced. Gary VanderMolen "Beejaysoo" <Beejaysoo@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:F0433446-CE73-4E57-9C82-0BD5F30E36A9@xxxxxx Quote: > Thanks again Gary. > > I guess I'll just wait until WLM comes out of beta or I find I need more > than what WM gives me. > > Thanks, > > bj > > "Gary VanderMolen" wrote: > Quote: >> No. Both WLM and WM are 'desktop' clients, meaning a stand-alone >> email program that doesn't use a browser for mail reading. >> >> Gary VanderMolen >> >> "Beejaysoo" <Beejaysoo@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:9F8E1817-0FBC-4658-8DE9-85F33B6B2A08@xxxxxx Quote: >> > I think the clue to my original question is here. Has it got something to do >> > with what is referred to as a "desktop client" ie.WM and a "web based >> > client" ie. WLM? >> > >> > Do I have the terminology right?? >> > >> > Is there an advantage or a preference for desktop vesus web based >> > clients/services??? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > bj >> > >> > >> > "EW" wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks, R.C., for the good info. Just what I wanted to hear. Currently I'm >> >> using Windows Live Hotmail (web) for accessing my acct, and it does the job. >> >> I simply like desktop clients better -- like OE is for XP. >> >> >> >> I'll try the beta after reading your comments. Thanks again for the words. >> >> >> >> EW >> >> >> >> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> >> news:A242AA32-C9D3-4C89-A195-3FFA5681A0B7@xxxxxx >> >> > Hi, EW. >> >> > >> >> > I'm not Gary, but... >> >> > >> >> > I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta; >> >> > the current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has hinted strongly that >> >> > there will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still >> >> > months away. I used the now-defunct WLMD beta for only a few days at the >> >> > end of its life, just long enough to know that I like WLM better. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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