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Old 09-04-2007   #1 (permalink)
Beejaysoo


 
 

Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotmail

Could someone please outline what I should be considering here when deciding
what sort of mail service I want to use.. I'm presently using Windows Mail
(Vista). Should I be considering Windows Live Mail? Is Hotmail still an
option to consider?

Thanks,

bj

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Old 09-04-2007   #2 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotmail

You should consider upgrading to Windows Live Mail only if

a. You need to access Hotmail accounts in addition to POP accounts.
b. You've been experiencing unresolved problems with WM.
c. You need certain WLM features, like better auto-completion of
contacts, better spell-checking, automatic segregation of incoming
email into separate account folders, etc.

Gary VanderMolen

"Beejaysoo" <beejaysoo@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#Wuif3y7HHA.3624@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Could someone please outline what I should be considering here when deciding what sort of mail service I want to use.. I'm
> presently using Windows Mail (Vista). Should I be considering Windows Live Mail? Is Hotmail still an option to consider?

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Old 09-04-2007   #3 (permalink)
EW


 
 

Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotmail


"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:u3$0nOz7HHA.5752@xxxxxx
Quote:

> You should consider upgrading to Windows Live Mail only if
>
> a. You need to access Hotmail accounts in addition to POP accounts.
> b. You've been experiencing unresolved problems with WM.
> c. You need certain WLM features, like better auto-completion of
> contacts, better spell-checking, automatic segregation of incoming
> email into separate account folders, etc.
>
> Gary VanderMolen
Gary, is WLM still in beta? If so, is it buggy, and/or should we wait until
it's out of beta to use? And...... will installing WLM somehow disable
Windows Mail (will there be a conflict) or will all be clean?

Sorry for the questions, but I gots to know! Thanks.

EW


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Old 09-05-2007   #4 (permalink)
R. C. White


 
 

Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotmail

Hi, EW.

I'm not Gary, but...

I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta; the
current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has hinted strongly that there
will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still months away.
I used the now-defunct WLMD beta for only a few days at the end of its life,
just long enough to know that I like WLM better.

My impression is that the WLM User Interface still needs work, but the basic
program is already more stable and less buggy than WM. I was one of the
many WM users who had to painfully recover from a "message stuck in the
Outbox", but only a few WLM users report such a problem. The WLM UI won't
let us customize the toolbar and I really miss having buttons for
Synchronize All and View Messages by Conversation, for example. The WLM
Team is aware of these shortcomings and have promised improvements in future
builds. The UI is different from WM and will require a day or two on the
learning curve.

WLM's installation will delete the shortcut and icon for WM, but not the
program itself. We can still run WM by entering or clicking on WinMail.exe.
WM and WLM can run on the same Vista computer, even simultaneously, each
maintaining its separate Message Store. (During the transition period, I
have them both set to Leave messages on the server for 14 days; so long as I
run WM at least every couple of weeks and let it Receive messages, its
database will include all my incoming emails so that my eventual transfer to
the final WLM will be complete - so long as I remember to transfer WLM's
Sent Items, too.)

Try it. I think you'll like it. ;<)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@xxxxxx
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64)

"EW" <ewyatt_del_me-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:u3$0nOz7HHA.5752@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> You should consider upgrading to Windows Live Mail only if
>>
>> a. You need to access Hotmail accounts in addition to POP accounts.
>> b. You've been experiencing unresolved problems with WM.
>> c. You need certain WLM features, like better auto-completion of
>> contacts, better spell-checking, automatic segregation of incoming
>> email into separate account folders, etc.
>>
>> Gary VanderMolen
>
> Gary, is WLM still in beta? If so, is it buggy, and/or should we wait
> until it's out of beta to use? And...... will installing WLM somehow
> disable Windows Mail (will there be a conflict) or will all be clean?
>
> Sorry for the questions, but I gots to know! Thanks.
>
> EW
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Old 09-05-2007   #5 (permalink)
EW


 
 

Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotmail

Thanks, R.C., for the good info. Just what I wanted to hear. Currently I'm
using Windows Live Hotmail (web) for accessing my acct, and it does the job.
I simply like desktop clients better -- like OE is for XP.

I'll try the beta after reading your comments. Thanks again for the words.

EW

"R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:A242AA32-C9D3-4C89-A195-3FFA5681A0B7@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Hi, EW.
>
> I'm not Gary, but...
>
> I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta;
> the current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has hinted strongly that
> there will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still
> months away. I used the now-defunct WLMD beta for only a few days at the
> end of its life, just long enough to know that I like WLM better.
>

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Old 09-05-2007   #6 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotmail

Not sure if the links previously mentioned will get you the new
version of Windows Live Mail that was released this afternoon.
Go to http://get.live.com/wl/all
and select which 'Live' programs you want to download.

Gary VanderMolen

"EW" <ewyatt_del_me-@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:46df40d4$0$47120$892e7fe2@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Thanks, R.C., for the good info. Just what I wanted to hear. Currently I'm using Windows Live Hotmail (web) for accessing my
> acct, and it does the job. I simply like desktop clients better -- like OE is for XP.
>
> I'll try the beta after reading your comments. Thanks again for the words.
>
> EW
>
> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:A242AA32-C9D3-4C89-A195-3FFA5681A0B7@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Hi, EW.
>>
>> I'm not Gary, but...
>>
>> I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta; the current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has
>> hinted strongly that there will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still months away. I used the now-defunct
>> WLMD beta for only a few days at the end of its life, just long enough to know that I like WLM better.
>>
>
>
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Old 09-06-2007   #7 (permalink)
R. C. White


 
 

Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotmail

Hi, Gary.

Thanks for the link, but it confuses me!

The only "Live" program that I'm interested in (for now, at least) is WLM.
Trying to download just that gets me going in circles, downloading
WLInstaller.exe. But when I Run that program, I get the message that
"Windows Live programs can't be installed on this operating system."

Is that because I'm running Windows Vista Ultimate x64? Is it the 64-bits
that is stopping it? Or the Vista?

What "new version"? Is it a later beta than 12.0.1184? Or is it the
"final" version? I can't seem to find any of this info at the link you
gave. I get lost in the "maze of twisty little passages". :>(

And I have to be out for the next several hours, so I won't be able to try
to puzzle it out until tomorrow, I suppose.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@xxxxxx
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64)

"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eb1CvAD8HHA.5712@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Not sure if the links previously mentioned will get you the new
> version of Windows Live Mail that was released this afternoon.
> Go to http://get.live.com/wl/all
> and select which 'Live' programs you want to download.
>
> Gary VanderMolen
>
> "EW" <ewyatt_del_me-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:46df40d4$0$47120$892e7fe2@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Thanks, R.C., for the good info. Just what I wanted to hear. Currently
>> I'm using Windows Live Hotmail (web) for accessing my acct, and it does
>> the job. I simply like desktop clients better -- like OE is for XP.
>>
>> I'll try the beta after reading your comments. Thanks again for the
>> words.
>>
>> EW
>>
>> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:A242AA32-C9D3-4C89-A195-3FFA5681A0B7@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> Hi, EW.
>>>
>>> I'm not Gary, but...
>>>
>>> I've been using WLM since the first of June. Yes, it is still in beta;
>>> the current build is 12.0.1184. The WLM Team has hinted strongly that
>>> there will be a new build Real Soon Now, with the final version still
>>> months away. I used the now-defunct WLMD beta for only a few days at the
>>> end of its life, just long enough to know that I like WLM better.
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Old 09-06-2007   #8 (permalink)


Vista x64 Ultimate SP2, Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotmail

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by R. C. White View Post
Hi, Gary.

Thanks for the link, but it confuses me!

The only "Live" program that I'm interested in (for now, at least) is WLM.
Trying to download just that gets me going in circles, downloading
WLInstaller.exe. But when I Run that program, I get the message that
"Windows Live programs can't be installed on this operating system."

Is that because I'm running Windows Vista Ultimate x64? Is it the 64-bits
that is stopping it? Or the Vista?

What "new version"? Is it a later beta than 12.0.1184? Or is it the
"final" version? I can't seem to find any of this info at the link you
gave. I get lost in the "maze of twisty little passages". :>(

And I have to be out for the next several hours, so I won't be able to try
to puzzle it out until tomorrow, I suppose.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@xxxxxx
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64)
Hi R. C. White,

Yeah, this new Beta 2 will not install on the 64 bit Vista yet, only the 32 bit. They are suppose to have a 64 bit version when they release WLM out of Beta. Looks like we are stuck using the Beta 1 for now.

Shawn
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Old 09-06-2007   #9 (permalink)
R. C. White


 
 

Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotmail

Hi, Shawn.

Well they could have said so! It would have taken only a few words, but
there's not a hint that it won't work on x64. :^{

Looks like even MSFT still regards 64-bit as a "second-class citizen".
:>( I see Gary is using 12.0.1365.

Thanks for the information. Where did you get it? Or is that not public?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@xxxxxx
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64)

"brink" <brink.2whtc9@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
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Quote:

>
> R. C. White;443706 Wrote:
Quote:

>> Hi, Gary.
>>
>> Thanks for the link, but it confuses me!
>>
>> The only "Live" program that I'm interested in (for now, at least) is
>> WLM.
>> Trying to download just that gets me going in circles, downloading
>> WLInstaller.exe. But when I Run that program, I get the message that
>> "Windows Live programs can't be installed on this operating system."
>>
>> Is that because I'm running Windows Vista Ultimate x64? Is it the
>> 64-bits
>> that is stopping it? Or the Vista?
>>
>> What "new version"? Is it a later beta than 12.0.1184? Or is it the
>> "final" version? I can't seem to find any of this info at the link you
>> gave. I get lost in the "maze of twisty little passages". :>(
>>
>> And I have to be out for the next several hours, so I won't be able to
>> try
>> to puzzle it out until tomorrow, I suppose.
>>
>> RC
>>
>
> Hi R. C. White,
>
> Yeah, this new Beta 2 will not install on the 64 bit Vista yet, only
> the 32 bit. They are suppose to have a 64 bit version when they release
> WLM out of Beta. Looks like we are stuck using the Beta 1 for now.
>
> Shawn
>
>
> --
> brink
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Old 09-06-2007   #10 (permalink)


Vista x64 Ultimate SP2, Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Re: Windows Mail (Vista) vs Windows Live Mail vs Windows Hotmail

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by R. C. White View Post
Hi, Shawn.

Well they could have said so! It would have taken only a few words, but
there's not a hint that it won't work on x64. :^{

Looks like even MSFT still regards 64-bit as a "second-class citizen".
:>( I see Gary is using 12.0.1365.

Thanks for the information. Where did you get it? Or is that not public?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@xxxxxx
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64)
RC,

Yeah, it would of been nice for them to have made that clearer. I had to dig a bit and found it in the release notes from here.

Windows Live*Services

Release Notes:
Windows Live Services

Shawn

Last edited by Brink; 09-06-2007 at 06:32 PM..
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