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Old 01-02-2008   #1 (permalink)
AT and HMB


 
 

Vista network with XP

All I want to know is how to get rid of the network on Vista and start
again.
In my own way I think I was happier with the problems of W98 as I felt I had
some control
I have 4 computers networked on XP.
I'm new to Vista. Started the new system, got connection to the internet
with no problems.
Allocated a workgroup name of WORKGROUP, when I really wanted WG (the name
of my existing group on XP)
I can see the Vista computer from my XP computers, but cannot see the XP
computers from Vista.
Also, for example the folder "Program Files" on C of the Vista computer has
been shared to all (no restrictions) and this shows up on the XP computers,
but they are still refused access.
I don't seem to be able to delete anything in Vista.
I want only to delete WORKGROUP in Vista and I'll start again (with more
care).
Meantime I have started to read this NG and might find answer.
Please help.
Thanks



My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-02-2008   #2 (permalink)
Chuck [MVP]


 
 

Re: Vista network with XP

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:54:06 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>All I want to know is how to get rid of the network on Vista and start
>again.
>In my own way I think I was happier with the problems of W98 as I felt I had
>some control
>I have 4 computers networked on XP.
>I'm new to Vista. Started the new system, got connection to the internet
>with no problems.
>Allocated a workgroup name of WORKGROUP, when I really wanted WG (the name
>of my existing group on XP)
>I can see the Vista computer from my XP computers, but cannot see the XP
>computers from Vista.
>Also, for example the folder "Program Files" on C of the Vista computer has
>been shared to all (no restrictions) and this shows up on the XP computers,
>but they are still refused access.
>I don't seem to be able to delete anything in Vista.
>I want only to delete WORKGROUP in Vista and I'll start again (with more
>care).
>Meantime I have started to read this NG and might find answer.
>Please help.
>Thanks
If all computers have Internet connectivity, that's a good start. That
eliminates physical networking issues.

There are several known challenges with Windows Networking, and Windows Vista.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/1...-together.html

If you're having problems, sharing "C:\Program Files" isn't a good place to
start. That's considered a part of the operating system, and has default
sharing restrictions. Start with a new share that you create. When you get a
newly created folder successfully shared, then work on sharing "C:\Program
Files".

Visibility problems as you describe frequently start with misconfigured or
overlooked personal firewalls, or other security programs.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/0...ing-using.html

You may be able to diagnose the problems, using logs from "browstat status",
"ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this article, and linked
articles, and follow instructions precisely (Download browstat, and note how to
run a Vista command window!):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-02-2008   #3 (permalink)
AT and HMB


 
 

Re: Vista network with XP


"Chuck [MVP]" <none@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:smgnn3pdebhcu6aghba74o8cdcetrgi1k0@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:54:06 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@xxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>All I want to know is how to get rid of the network on Vista and start
>>again.
>>In my own way I think I was happier with the problems of W98 as I felt I
>>had
>>some control
>>I have 4 computers networked on XP.
>>I'm new to Vista. Started the new system, got connection to the internet
>>with no problems.
>>Allocated a workgroup name of WORKGROUP, when I really wanted WG (the name
>>of my existing group on XP)
>>I can see the Vista computer from my XP computers, but cannot see the XP
>>computers from Vista.
>>Also, for example the folder "Program Files" on C of the Vista computer
>>has
>>been shared to all (no restrictions) and this shows up on the XP
>>computers,
>>but they are still refused access.
>>I don't seem to be able to delete anything in Vista.
>>I want only to delete WORKGROUP in Vista and I'll start again (with more
>>care).
>>Meantime I have started to read this NG and might find answer.
>>Please help.
>>Thanks
>
> If all computers have Internet connectivity, that's a good start. That
> eliminates physical networking issues.
>
> There are several known challenges with Windows Networking, and Windows
> Vista.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/1...-together.html
>
> If you're having problems, sharing "C:\Program Files" isn't a good place
> to
> start. That's considered a part of the operating system, and has default
> sharing restrictions. Start with a new share that you create. When you
> get a
> newly created folder successfully shared, then work on sharing "C:\Program
> Files".
>
> Visibility problems as you describe frequently start with misconfigured or
> overlooked personal firewalls, or other security programs.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/0...ing-using.html
>
> You may be able to diagnose the problems, using logs from "browstat
> status",
> "ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from
> each
> computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this article, and linked
> articles, and follow instructions precisely (Download browstat, and note
> how to
> run a Vista command window!):
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp
>
> --
> Cheers,
Quote:

> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.
started playing with browstat.
on one of the XP machines both net config server and workstation seemed OK.
On the new Vista machine workstation was OK, but net config server gave:
"system error 5 has occurred access is denied". I ran this twice with same
result.
Is that pointing to anything obvious please?
Thanks


My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-02-2008   #4 (permalink)


vista business and xp pro
 
 

Re: Vista network with XP

Check to see if Vista is set to send both LM and NTLM security responses. If you are running Ultimate or Business you can use the security policy snap-in. Just type secpol.msc. Drill into Local Policy -> Security Options and find entry for Network security: LAN Manager authentication level. Change the setting so that Vista will "Send both LM & NTLM responses - use NTLMv2 session security if negotiated". If you are running the home flavor of Vista, you need to do this in the registry.

Open regedit and drill into: HKLM ->System ->CurrentControlSet ->Control -> LSA
In the right pane, look for "lmcompatibilitylevel" and change the data value from 3 to 1.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-02-2008   #5 (permalink)
Chuck [MVP]


 
 

Re: Vista network with XP

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:08:29 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>
>"Chuck [MVP]" <none@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:smgnn3pdebhcu6aghba74o8cdcetrgi1k0@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:54:06 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@xxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
Quote:

>>>All I want to know is how to get rid of the network on Vista and start
>>>again.
>>>In my own way I think I was happier with the problems of W98 as I felt I
>>>had
>>>some control
>>>I have 4 computers networked on XP.
>>>I'm new to Vista. Started the new system, got connection to the internet
>>>with no problems.
>>>Allocated a workgroup name of WORKGROUP, when I really wanted WG (the name
>>>of my existing group on XP)
>>>I can see the Vista computer from my XP computers, but cannot see the XP
>>>computers from Vista.
>>>Also, for example the folder "Program Files" on C of the Vista computer
>>>has
>>>been shared to all (no restrictions) and this shows up on the XP
>>>computers,
>>>but they are still refused access.
>>>I don't seem to be able to delete anything in Vista.
>>>I want only to delete WORKGROUP in Vista and I'll start again (with more
>>>care).
>>>Meantime I have started to read this NG and might find answer.
>>>Please help.
>>>Thanks
>>
>> If all computers have Internet connectivity, that's a good start. That
>> eliminates physical networking issues.
>>
>> There are several known challenges with Windows Networking, and Windows
>> Vista.
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/1...-together.html
>>
>> If you're having problems, sharing "C:\Program Files" isn't a good place
>> to
>> start. That's considered a part of the operating system, and has default
>> sharing restrictions. Start with a new share that you create. When you
>> get a
>> newly created folder successfully shared, then work on sharing "C:\Program
>> Files".
>>
>> Visibility problems as you describe frequently start with misconfigured or
>> overlooked personal firewalls, or other security programs.
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/0...ing-using.html
>>
>> You may be able to diagnose the problems, using logs from "browstat
>> status",
>> "ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from
>> each
>> computer, so we can diagnose the problem. Read this article, and linked
>> articles, and follow instructions precisely (Download browstat, and note
>> how to
>> run a Vista command window!):
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>
Quote:

>> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
>> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
>> My email is AT DOT
>> actual address pchuck mvps org.
>
>started playing with browstat.
>on one of the XP machines both net config server and workstation seemed OK.
>On the new Vista machine workstation was OK, but net config server gave:
>"system error 5 has occurred access is denied". I ran this twice with same
>result.
>Is that pointing to anything obvious please?
>Thanks
Are you starting the command window as an admin ("elevated mode")?
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/06/command-window-in-windows-vista.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/0...ows-vista.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-05-2008   #6 (permalink)
AT and HMB


 
 

Re: Vista network with XP APPOLOGY

I apologise to all those who have tried to help me.
I gave up and installed Vista again - very quick.
I did this very carefully and took a note of every option I was given. These
were User, Computer Name, Computer Description. At no time was I given the
option to name the workgroup of my other computers.
The new Vista configuration has recognised my existing network perfectly -
absolutely no problem.
But it has put the new configuration into a workgroup called WORKGROUP which
I obviously know is the default, but whereas in XP, the option to change the
workgroup name is given when configuring the network, I was not given any
option, what is more (and I was especially looking for this), at no time did
it state it was going to put the configuration into WORKGROUP.
I have not attempted to get round this yet and I appreciate it is my newness
to Vista that is the problem.
My existing workgroup is WG.
All I want to do is to put the new Vista system into the same workgroup (WG)
and get rid of WORKGROUP.
Help please.


"leberama" <leberama.32kzm2@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:leberama.32kzm2@xxxxxx-mx.forums.net...
Quote:

>
> Check to see if Vista is set to send both LM and NTLM security
> responses. If you are running Ultimate or Business you can use the
> security policy snap-in. Just type secpol.msc. Drill into Local Policy
> -> Security Options and find entry for Network security: LAN Manager
> authentication level. Change the setting so that Vista will "Send both
> LM & NTLM responses - use NTLMv2 session security if negotiated". If
> you are running the home flavor of Vista, you need to do this in the
> registry.
>
> Open regedit and drill into: HKLM ->System ->CurrentControlSet
> ->Control -> LSA
> In the right pane, look for "lmcompatibilitylevel" and change the data
> value from 3 to 1.
>
>
> --
> leberama

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