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| | Windows Vista Home Networking Hello I am a reasonably experienced Windows networking user (I have been networking Windows PCs together since Win 3.1) and also a network engineer. Vista has thrown an interesting issue up. I have a Juniper SSG 20 router with an ADSL, wifi and Lan interface on it. The way the Juniper works is it forces the wifi connection to be on a different subnet than the wired network. So, I have a wired network of 192.168.1.X and 192.168.2.X for wifi. If my PCs are on the same subnet (both on wired or both on wifi), no problems. I can share and make network shares available. If my PCs are on the different networks they cannot see each other and network shares fail. I can ping between the PCs when they are on different subnets, so net connectivity is there. I believe that the Juniper is set up correctly (I have set up a bi-directional trust - any any between the two networks). Has Vista introduced a new level of security preventing browsing between subnets? |
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| | Re: Windows Vista Home Networking Hi, I would check the firewall rules. I don't know much about the Juniper device, but it sounds like you have done the correct thing there, but double check it. Also, check the firewall rules on the clients. The rules may allow file sharing traffic only on the same subnet. Sachin Helboy wrote: Quote: > Hello > > I am a reasonably experienced Windows networking user (I have been > networking Windows PCs together since Win 3.1) and also a network engineer. > > Vista has thrown an interesting issue up. > > I have a Juniper SSG 20 router with an ADSL, wifi and Lan interface on it. > The way the Juniper works is it forces the wifi connection to be on a > different subnet than the wired network. So, I have a wired network of > 192.168.1.X and 192.168.2.X for wifi. > > If my PCs are on the same subnet (both on wired or both on wifi), no > problems. I can share and make network shares available. > > If my PCs are on the different networks they cannot see each other and > network shares fail. > > I can ping between the PCs when they are on different subnets, so net > connectivity is there. > I believe that the Juniper is set up correctly (I have set up a > bi-directional trust - any any between the two networks). > > Has Vista introduced a new level of security preventing browsing between > subnets? > |
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| | Re: Windows Vista Home Networking OK, I'll double check the Firewall. However, the client is less than straight forward for checking. Any tips on that area? "Sachin" wrote: Quote: > Hi, > > I would check the firewall rules. I don't know much about the Juniper > device, but it sounds like you have done the correct thing there, but > double check it. > > Also, check the firewall rules on the clients. The rules may allow file > sharing traffic only on the same subnet. > > Sachin > > > Helboy wrote: Quote: > > Hello > > > > I am a reasonably experienced Windows networking user (I have been > > networking Windows PCs together since Win 3.1) and also a network engineer. > > > > Vista has thrown an interesting issue up. > > > > I have a Juniper SSG 20 router with an ADSL, wifi and Lan interface on it. > > The way the Juniper works is it forces the wifi connection to be on a > > different subnet than the wired network. So, I have a wired network of > > 192.168.1.X and 192.168.2.X for wifi. > > > > If my PCs are on the same subnet (both on wired or both on wifi), no > > problems. I can share and make network shares available. > > > > If my PCs are on the different networks they cannot see each other and > > network shares fail. > > > > I can ping between the PCs when they are on different subnets, so net > > connectivity is there. > > I believe that the Juniper is set up correctly (I have set up a > > bi-directional trust - any any between the two networks). > > > > Has Vista introduced a new level of security preventing browsing between > > subnets? > > |
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| | Re: Windows Vista Home Networking Well firstly I should have asked if you have any third party firewall. By default, the windows firewall, once it is allowing file and printer sharing, will allow for all scope, that is all IP addresses. However, you can set a scope, but i don't think that that may be the problem, but check anyway. To check, open the windows firewall settings. You can get that from the network sharing center page at the bottom of the left hand pane. See if it is on - if it's not then it will not matter, if it is on, then check the exceptions list. Look for file and printer sharing and see if any scope is set for any of the ports, then adjust to suite. My guess will be that you have a third party firewall like McAfee or Symantec. That's a little trickier for me, you will have to read your manual on that one. Usually you will be prompted to allow the connection. Don't know if this helps. Sachin Helboy wrote: Quote: > OK, I'll double check the Firewall. > > However, the client is less than straight forward for checking. > > Any tips on that area? > > "Sachin" wrote: > Quote: >> Hi, >> >> I would check the firewall rules. I don't know much about the Juniper >> device, but it sounds like you have done the correct thing there, but >> double check it. >> >> Also, check the firewall rules on the clients. The rules may allow file >> sharing traffic only on the same subnet. >> >> Sachin >> >> >> Helboy wrote: Quote: >>> Hello >>> >>> I am a reasonably experienced Windows networking user (I have been >>> networking Windows PCs together since Win 3.1) and also a network engineer. >>> >>> Vista has thrown an interesting issue up. >>> >>> I have a Juniper SSG 20 router with an ADSL, wifi and Lan interface on it. >>> The way the Juniper works is it forces the wifi connection to be on a >>> different subnet than the wired network. So, I have a wired network of >>> 192.168.1.X and 192.168.2.X for wifi. >>> >>> If my PCs are on the same subnet (both on wired or both on wifi), no >>> problems. I can share and make network shares available. >>> >>> If my PCs are on the different networks they cannot see each other and >>> network shares fail. >>> >>> I can ping between the PCs when they are on different subnets, so net >>> connectivity is there. >>> I believe that the Juniper is set up correctly (I have set up a >>> bi-directional trust - any any between the two networks). >>> >>> Has Vista introduced a new level of security preventing browsing between >>> subnets? >>> |
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| | Re: Windows Vista Home Networking On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:15:01 -0800, Helboy <Helboy@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >Hello > >I am a reasonably experienced Windows networking user (I have been >networking Windows PCs together since Win 3.1) and also a network engineer. > >Vista has thrown an interesting issue up. > >I have a Juniper SSG 20 router with an ADSL, wifi and Lan interface on it. >The way the Juniper works is it forces the wifi connection to be on a >different subnet than the wired network. So, I have a wired network of >192.168.1.X and 192.168.2.X for wifi. > >If my PCs are on the same subnet (both on wired or both on wifi), no >problems. I can share and make network shares available. > >If my PCs are on the different networks they cannot see each other and >network shares fail. > >I can ping between the PCs when they are on different subnets, so net >connectivity is there. >I believe that the Juniper is set up correctly (I have set up a >bi-directional trust - any any between the two networks). > >Has Vista introduced a new level of security preventing browsing between >subnets? domain master browser on each subnet. Browser SMBs don't generally traverse subnets. <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/browsing-across-subnets.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...s-subnets.html -- Cheers, Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/ Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience. My email is AT DOT actual address pchuck mvps org. |
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| | Re: Windows Vista Home Networking Ahh, that is right. I should have asked if you tried browsing via IP, that is, \\<ip_address>. Sachin Chuck [MVP] wrote: Quote: > On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:15:01 -0800, Helboy <Helboy@xxxxxx> > wrote: > Quote: >> Hello >> >> I am a reasonably experienced Windows networking user (I have been >> networking Windows PCs together since Win 3.1) and also a network engineer. >> >> Vista has thrown an interesting issue up. >> >> I have a Juniper SSG 20 router with an ADSL, wifi and Lan interface on it. >> The way the Juniper works is it forces the wifi connection to be on a >> different subnet than the wired network. So, I have a wired network of >> 192.168.1.X and 192.168.2.X for wifi. >> >> If my PCs are on the same subnet (both on wired or both on wifi), no >> problems. I can share and make network shares available. >> >> If my PCs are on the different networks they cannot see each other and >> network shares fail. >> >> I can ping between the PCs when they are on different subnets, so net >> connectivity is there. >> I believe that the Juniper is set up correctly (I have set up a >> bi-directional trust - any any between the two networks). >> >> Has Vista introduced a new level of security preventing browsing between >> subnets? > Browsing between subnets generally requires a domain infrastructure, and a > domain master browser on each subnet. Browser SMBs don't generally traverse > subnets. > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/browsing-across-subnets.html> > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...s-subnets.html > |
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| | Re: Windows Vista Home Networking Yes, I have tried with IP address access. In fact, I usually default to that in all home cases anyway. "Sachin" wrote: Quote: > Ahh, that is right. I should have asked if you tried browsing via IP, > that is, \\<ip_address>. > > Sachin > > Chuck [MVP] wrote: Quote: > > On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:15:01 -0800, Helboy <Helboy@xxxxxx> > > wrote: > > Quote: > >> Hello > >> > >> I am a reasonably experienced Windows networking user (I have been > >> networking Windows PCs together since Win 3.1) and also a network engineer. > >> > >> Vista has thrown an interesting issue up. > >> > >> I have a Juniper SSG 20 router with an ADSL, wifi and Lan interface on it. > >> The way the Juniper works is it forces the wifi connection to be on a > >> different subnet than the wired network. So, I have a wired network of > >> 192.168.1.X and 192.168.2.X for wifi. > >> > >> If my PCs are on the same subnet (both on wired or both on wifi), no > >> problems. I can share and make network shares available. > >> > >> If my PCs are on the different networks they cannot see each other and > >> network shares fail. > >> > >> I can ping between the PCs when they are on different subnets, so net > >> connectivity is there. > >> I believe that the Juniper is set up correctly (I have set up a > >> bi-directional trust - any any between the two networks). > >> > >> Has Vista introduced a new level of security preventing browsing between > >> subnets? > > Browsing between subnets generally requires a domain infrastructure, and a > > domain master browser on each subnet. Browser SMBs don't generally traverse > > subnets. > > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/08/browsing-across-subnets.html> > > http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...s-subnets.html > > |
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| | Re: Windows Vista Home Networking Hmmm, then did you check all the firewall settings? Also, are the clients all Vista clients? And what versions? |
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