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Old 08-24-2008   #11 (permalink)
+Bob+


 
 

Re: How can anything be this bad?

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:38:12 -0700, "Nogginsaked"
<fac_187@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>I open an Excel spreadsheet stored on one Vista machine on a second.
>I cannot save the document because first it says it is read only (the
>original is NOT read only).
Quote:

>I can not save the document back on the first machine with a different name
>(e.g. vista sucks) because it says I do not have permission. However the
>sharing on the first machine says I have full privileges for opening and
>saving.
Vista has levels of alleged security that make things that used to
work fine stop working. Make sure you have full rights first (you
probably do). I had similar issues with items that I had full rights
to also - but you need to look check there first.

Next, you likely need to add the local (shared) drive to the trusted
sites. At least, if you don't need to now, you will sooner or later.
Go to Intner Explorer the choose Tools> Int Options >Security. Select
the Trusted Zone, click Sites, and check off "include all UNC's". Next
click on "Advanced" in that same Sites box. Add the IP of the other
system to the list. Also add it in this format "file://network-name".

Quote:

>What a piece of crap this OS is. There is no reason for needlessly
>complicating simple peer to peer networking with this layer of useless
>non-security crud. It is obvious why businesses will not use the abomination
>that is Vista.
Yes, it does have some features that suck. This alleged new security,
implemented with moronically global restrictions is a royal PITA.
Quote:

>I went through all the permission crap last week and it all worked fine.
>Nothing has changed and now nothing works.
>This is the reality of Vista.
>I have been using Windows since it was DOS. If I did not have dedicated
>Windows business software I would switch to the Mac. I've had it.
Yes, MS has lost all touch with reality. It happens when companies get
big - they stop designing what customers want and instead design what
they want.


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Old 08-24-2008   #12 (permalink)
John Thompson


 
 

Re: How can anything be this bad?

On 2008-08-23, Fred <fdwight@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

> My two cents: The problems Vista has caused are absolutely not worth the
> little, useless, added bells and whistles they added. None of my DOS
> programs will run on Vista either, and networking is a nightmare.
Have you tried "DosBox?" http://dosbox.com

Works for the few DOS programs I need; even on linux.

Otherwise, you could always install DOS in a VMWare virtual machine, but
DosBox has less overhead in my experience.

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Old 08-24-2008   #13 (permalink)
John Thompson


 
 

Re: How can anything be this bad?

On 2008-08-24, Gordon <gordonbparker@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

> You paid $5,000 for a DOS program?
> They saw you coming then.....
Gordon, many businesses pay much more than that for custom programs
intended for specific purposes. If users' needs and the program's
functionality haven't changed why would a business want to shell out
that kind of money again just to get it ported to Vista?

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Old 08-25-2008   #14 (permalink)
Gordon


 
 

Re: How can anything be this bad?

"John Thompson" <john@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:slrngb42qe.3pj.john@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On 2008-08-24, Gordon <gordonbparker@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

>> You paid $5,000 for a DOS program?
>> They saw you coming then.....
>
> Gordon, many businesses pay much more than that for custom programs
> intended for specific purposes. If users' needs and the program's
> functionality haven't changed why would a business want to shell out
> that kind of money again just to get it ported to Vista?
>
I know. I'm a just-retired Systems Accountant having worked in several major
Public Companies in the UK.
I haven't seen a "custom" DOS program for nearly TWENTY YEARS........even
so, software is usually depreciated over 5 years or less, and if the OP had
a "custom DOS" application written less than 5 years ago, I would be VERY
surprised.

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Old 08-25-2008   #15 (permalink)
Gordon


 
 

Re: How can anything be this bad?

"+Bob+" <uctraing@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:cer3b49nj7p5s3e91olt3ntc1gkht2o6f7@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:13:49 +0100, "Gordon"
> <gordonbparker@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>"Fred" <fdwight(ADD1)@cox.net> wrote in message
>>newsCA52B91-CD60-45A2-AD9D-42BAD9F4A009@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> Gordon,
>>>
>>> When you paid $5000.00 for a program that has been used for years, and
>>> has
>>> the exact same functionality today as it did when I bought it, you might
>>> begin to understand the frustrations with windows vista.
>>>
>>
>>You paid $5,000 for a DOS program?
>>They saw you coming then.....
>
> I might tactfully suggest that you don't have much exposure to
> commercial software if you think $5K is a lot for a "program".
>
And I would also tactfully reply that you know nothing about my background.
I'm a just-retired Systems Accountant having worked in several major Public
Companies in the UK.
I haven't seen a "custom" DOS program for nearly TWENTY YEARS........even
so, software is usually depreciated over 5 years or less, and if the OP had
a "custom DOS" application written less than 5 years ago, I would be VERY
surprised.

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Old 08-25-2008   #16 (permalink)
+Bob+


 
 

Re: How can anything be this bad?

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:17:06 +0100, "Gordon"
<gordonbparker@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>
>I know. I'm a just-retired Systems Accountant having worked in several major
>Public Companies in the UK.
>I haven't seen a "custom" DOS program for nearly TWENTY YEARS........even
>so, software is usually depreciated over 5 years or less, and if the OP had
>a "custom DOS" application written less than 5 years ago, I would be VERY
>surprised.
First, "Depreciable life" is an accounting standard. The fact that
something is fully depreciated has no true relationship to its useful
business life. Second, depreciation is merely a reduction of overall
cost (tax benefit). The business still has to lay out the initial cost
of the asset - they merely get a marginal credit back over its life.

I have to assume that you never owned a business and had to pull that
$5K out of your own pocket. When you do, you tend to get a whole lot
more conservative in your spending habits than employees in major
companies and you mysteriously find that assets can be used a whole
lot longer before you "have to" replace them.


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Old 08-25-2008   #17 (permalink)
+Bob+


 
 

Re: How can anything be this bad?

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:17:51 +0100, "Gordon"
<gordonbparker@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>"+Bob+" <uctraing@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:cer3b49nj7p5s3e91olt3ntc1gkht2o6f7@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:13:49 +0100, "Gordon"
>> <gordonbparker@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>
Quote:

>>>"Fred" <fdwight(ADD1)@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>newsCA52B91-CD60-45A2-AD9D-42BAD9F4A009@xxxxxx
>>>> Gordon,
>>>>
>>>> When you paid $5000.00 for a program that has been used for years, and
>>>> has
>>>> the exact same functionality today as it did when I bought it, you might
>>>> begin to understand the frustrations with windows vista.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You paid $5,000 for a DOS program?
>>>They saw you coming then.....
>>
>> I might tactfully suggest that you don't have much exposure to
>> commercial software if you think $5K is a lot for a "program".
>>
>
>And I would also tactfully reply that you know nothing about my background.
>I'm a just-retired Systems Accountant having worked in several major Public
>Companies in the UK.
>I haven't seen a "custom" DOS program for nearly TWENTY YEARS........even
>so, software is usually depreciated over 5 years or less, and if the OP had
>a "custom DOS" application written less than 5 years ago, I would be VERY
>surprised.
See my other post in this thread.
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Old 08-29-2008   #18 (permalink)
Darrick West


 
 

Re: How can anything be this bad?

Run your DOS apps in a DOS/Win 9x/XP physical box, or a virtual machine
using Virtual PC 2007 - it's free, but there are others to choose from. I
recommend to diehard DOS users that they keep an old box or two around for
must have apps, and that they find modernized versions of their DOS apps.
DOS is...well...

Vista Networking:

- Make sure all PCs are in the same workgroup (your XP boxes too).

- Enable network discovery (this and the following are found in the 'Network
and Sharing Center')

- Enable file sharing (and print sharing if necessary)

- Enable password protected sharing. You can disable this (makes sharing
simpler) , but it's good security practice to password protect your shares.
You'll also have to create user accounts on each PC where shares exist if
you enable password protected sharing..

- Put your files/folders in the Public share folder to simplify sharing.
You can specify anyone with network access (read-only), open/change/create
(full control), or no access (off).

Make sure your date/time are correct on all PCs.

I haven't experienced a nightmare yet, just a few snags. Overall, I'm
satisfied with Vista.


--
Regards,

Darrick West






"Fred" <fdwight(ADD1)@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4A65CA90-309E-49B6-AF68-18A393F0C55F@xxxxxx
Quote:

> My two cents: The problems Vista has caused are absolutely not worth the
> little, useless, added bells and whistles they added. None of my DOS
> programs will run on Vista either, and networking is a nightmare.
>
> Fred
>
>
> "Nogginsaked" <fac_187@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%23iWWMiWBJHA.1228@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>I open an Excel spreadsheet stored on one Vista machine on a second.
>> I cannot save the document because first it says it is read only (the
>> original is NOT read only).
>> I can not save the document back on the first machine with a different
>> name (e.g. vista sucks) because it says I do not have permission. However
>> the sharing on the first machine says I have full privileges for opening
>> and saving.
>> What a piece of crap this OS is. There is no reason for needlessly
>> complicating simple peer to peer networking with this layer of useless
>> non-security crud. It is obvious why businesses will not use the
>> abomination that is Vista.
>> I went through all the permission crap last week and it all worked fine.
>> Nothing has changed and now nothing works.
>> This is the reality of Vista.
>> I have been using Windows since it was DOS. If I did not have dedicated
>> Windows business software I would switch to the Mac. I've had it.
>
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Old 08-29-2008   #19 (permalink)
Darrick West


 
 

Re: How can anything be this bad?

What are you using? A CNC, wave soldering station, AutoCAD, ORCad, P-CAD,
EE Designer of old? It's time to move on, or start collecting old hardware
and maintaining copies of DOS floppies...It's time to move on. What app are
you using? Is the vendor still in business?


--
Regards,

Darrick West


"Fred" <fdwight(ADD1)@cox.net> wrote in message
newsCA52B91-CD60-45A2-AD9D-42BAD9F4A009@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Gordon,
>
> When you paid $5000.00 for a program that has been used for years, and has
> the exact same functionality today as it did when I bought it, you might
> begin to understand the frustrations with windows vista.
>
> Fred
>
> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eyTImBeBJHA.3888@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> "Fred" <fdwight(ADD1)@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:4A65CA90-309E-49B6-AF68-18A393F0C55F@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> My two cents: The problems Vista has caused are absolutely not worth
>>> the little, useless, added bells and whistles they added. None of my
>>> DOS programs will run on Vista either, and networking is a nightmare.
>>>
>>
>> jeeeze. DOS programs? Why not just go back to Windows for Workgroups?
>> Networking is NOT a nightmare - mine worked "out of the box".
>
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