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Old 10-27-2008   #1 (permalink)
Bill Kearney
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Re: Local access only, no internet?

> Sounds like a multiple gateway problem.
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> 2 gateways never like each other.
> If you must have both networks active, remove the gateway from
> one of the network cards configs.
Except that doesn't solve it. Nor does going with all static IP info and
setting metrics on the interfaces and gateways. That's why I asked if
anyone knows what "logic" the OS is trying to use to make this assumption
about connectivity. Any links to discussions on it?

As for gateways not liking each other, that's nonsense. The gateways work
fine, it's a the eff'ed up STACK on the OS that's the problem. Cripes what
a mess. How an OS can decide that a NIC shouldn't have a gateway address
for it is screwed up, to say the least.


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Old 10-27-2008   #2 (permalink)
Bill Kearney
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Re: Local access only, no internet?

> Welcome to Vista - so dumbed down that it's dumber than even MS
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> intended.
Yes, and just where it needed to be even more stupid... routing! Ugh.
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> I wish I had a solution for you. Perhaps someone else here does. I can
> tell you that I've seen multiple issues with dual connections. Vista
> has issues with networking in general, and in particular with multiple
> connections.
>
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>>What's the proper solution?
>
> Install XP.
Yeah, well, not for a server box. It's actually running Windows 2008, aka
Vista without the UI bling.

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Old 10-28-2008   #3 (permalink)
Spaceman
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Re: Local access only, no internet?


"Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Sounds like a multiple gateway problem.
>> 2 gateways never like each other.
>> If you must have both networks active, remove the gateway from
>> one of the network cards configs.
>
> Except that doesn't solve it. Nor does going with all static IP info and
> setting metrics on the interfaces and gateways. That's why I asked if
> anyone knows what "logic" the OS is trying to use to make this assumption
> about connectivity. Any links to discussions on it?
>
> As for gateways not liking each other, that's nonsense. The gateways work
> fine, it's a the eff'ed up STACK on the OS that's the problem. Cripes
> what a mess. How an OS can decide that a NIC shouldn't have a gateway
> address for it is screwed up, to say the least.
2 Gateways is like a fork in the road for Windows.
No directions on what fork to take will crash you into the middle of the
fork.
As I stated, removing one of the gateways will give access again.
Why do you need two cards on the Internet at all?

Maybe more info about what you are doing will clarify how to get your
dual gateway working.


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Old 10-28-2008   #4 (permalink)
Bill Kearney
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Re: Local access only, no internet?

> 2 Gateways is like a fork in the road for Windows.
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> No directions on what fork to take will crash you into the middle of the
> fork.
There are 'directions'. They're called interface and gateway metrics. Is
the stack THAT stupid that it can't make use of them?
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> As I stated, removing one of the gateways will give access again.
Except it doesn't.

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Old 10-29-2008   #5 (permalink)
DevilsPGD
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Re: Local access only, no internet?

In message <Tu-dnUzhqInh8JrUnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@xxxxxx> "Bill
Kearney" <wkearney99@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote:
Quote:
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>> 2 Gateways is like a fork in the road for Windows.
>> No directions on what fork to take will crash you into the middle of the
>> fork.
>
>There are 'directions'. They're called interface and gateway metrics. Is
>the stack THAT stupid that it can't make use of them?
I have a VM with two virtual ethernet adapters, I connected them to
different LANs and still am able to transmit and receive packets on
both.

I can force traffic for a specific destination IP out one or the other
by way of the route command (route add destination.ip local.gateway)

So in short, Vista handles this situation just fine.
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Old 10-29-2008   #6 (permalink)
+Bob+
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Re: Local access only, no internet?

On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:29:33 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
<wkearney99@xxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>What's the proper solution?
>>
>> Install XP.
>
>Yeah, well, not for a server box. It's actually running Windows 2008, aka
>Vista without the UI bling.
I've seen lots of Server 2008 issues reported. Based on your note
about a server, I'll tweak my answer to "Install win 2003" :-)


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Old 10-30-2008   #7 (permalink)
DevilsPGD
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Re: Local access only, no internet?

In message <hsCdnRb4yZeA85fUnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@xxxxxx> "Bill
Kearney" <wkearney99@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote:
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>"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:j76gg45spp6f02j7vvhohvmv7k6g7i9a3i@xxxxxx
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>> I have a VM with two virtual ethernet adapters, I connected them to
>> different LANs and still am able to transmit and receive packets on
>> both.
>
>And yet, since I'm not using a VM, how does that relate?
Fairly simple -- This indicates that Vista's TCP stack is able to handle
running with two gateways on two different networks, with two default
gateways.
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Old 11-01-2008   #8 (permalink)
Bill Kearney
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Re: Local access only, no internet?


"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> In message <hsCdnRb4yZeA85fUnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@xxxxxx> "Bill
> Kearney" <wkearney99@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote:
>
Quote:

>>"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>news:j76gg45spp6f02j7vvhohvmv7k6g7i9a3i@xxxxxx
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>>> I have a VM with two virtual ethernet adapters, I connected them to
>>> different LANs and still am able to transmit and receive packets on
>>> both.
>>
>>And yet, since I'm not using a VM, how does that relate?
>
> Fairly simple -- This indicates that Vista's TCP stack is able to handle
> running with two gateways on two different networks, with two default
> gateways.
And yet has nothing to do with actuall dealing with the problems presented
in the thread.

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Old 11-01-2008   #9 (permalink)
DevilsPGD
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Re: Local access only, no internet?

In message <E8adnTnKlMOJ_ZHUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@xxxxxx> "Bill
Kearney" <wkearney99@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote:
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>"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:b90lg4hlp3c7mligujccjpvogqnid9s4vt@xxxxxx
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>> In message <hsCdnRb4yZeA85fUnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@xxxxxx> "Bill
>> Kearney" <wkearney99@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote:
>>
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>>>"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>news:j76gg45spp6f02j7vvhohvmv7k6g7i9a3i@xxxxxx
>>>> I have a VM with two virtual ethernet adapters, I connected them to
>>>> different LANs and still am able to transmit and receive packets on
>>>> both.
>>>
>>>And yet, since I'm not using a VM, how does that relate?
>>
>> Fairly simple -- This indicates that Vista's TCP stack is able to handle
>> running with two gateways on two different networks, with two default
>> gateways.
>
>And yet has nothing to do with actuall dealing with the problems presented
>in the thread.
I am specifically answering your comment n message
<Tu-dnUzhqInh8JrUnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@xxxxxx>, where you wrote:

|There are 'directions'. They're called interface and gateway metrics. Is
|the stack THAT stupid that it can't make use of them?

The answer is no, the stack isn't that stupid, and it can use gateway
metrics as well as individual routing table metrics by way of the ROUTE
command.
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