Vista - Re: Vista Premium - can't ping or see local machines

Hi,

Well, I was just able to get ping to local computers working, by
changing gateway in the route for 192.168.0.0 from "On-link" to
192.168.0.1 using the "route change" command. I can now ping local
computers as well the on the internet, and I can ping the Vista machine
from other computers on my network.

However, I still can't "see" other computers from the Vista machine and
"net view" still yields an error 6118 (can't list).

Jim



ohaya wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just got Vista Premium installed, and I can't see or ping any local
> computers. I can ping and access external systems (e.g., using IE).
>
> I've enabled NetBIOS over TCP, set fixed IP, DNS, and Gateway, and also
> disabled the firewall, but still have the problem.
>
> I don't know if this is the problem, but I was looking at the routing
> table (route print), and it looks (the metric) strange:
>
> C:\Windows\system32>route print
> ===========================================================================
> Interface List
> 8 ...00 03 ff 04 32 79 ...... Intel 21140-Based PCI Fast Ethernet
> Adapter (Emu
> lated)
> 1 ........................... Software Loopback Interface 1
> 9 ...02 00 54 55 4e 01 ...... Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
> 10 ...00 00 00 00 00 00 00 e0
> isatap.{2B31F864-F1D7-4F28-A11E-323100BCB06A}
> ===========================================================================
>
> IPv4 Route Table
> ===========================================================================
> Active Routes:
> Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface Metric
> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.253 276
> 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 On-link 127.0.0.1 306
> 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1 306
> 127.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1 306
> 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 On-link 192.168.0.253 276
> 192.168.0.253 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.0.253 276
> 192.168.0.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.0.253 276
> 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link 127.0.0.1 306
> 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link 192.168.0.253 276
> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1 306
> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.0.253 276
> ===========================================================================
> Persistent Routes:
> Network Address Netmask Gateway Address Metric
> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 Default
> ===========================================================================
>
> IPv6 Route Table
> ===========================================================================
> Active Routes:
> If Metric Network Destination Gateway
> 1 306 ::1/128 On-link
> 10 281 fe80::5efe:192.168.0.253/128
> On-link
> 1 306 ff00::/8 On-link
> ===========================================================================
> Persistent Routes:
> None
>
> Can anyone tell me how I can get local network access working?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim

Hi,

This is getting stranger by the minute ...

Since, after changing the route table, I can ping other machines, I
tried accessing another machine's shares using it's IP address, e.g.:

Instead of \\testwin2k\e

I used:

\\192.168.0.252\e

and, that WORKED?

net view \\192.168.0.252 also works.

I still can't see any machines in "Network", though .

Does anyone know how I can get this all working? Also, how come I had
to change the route table, and how can I configure things so that I
don't have to do that?

Thanks,
Jim


ohaya wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well, I was just able to get ping to local computers working, by
> changing gateway in the route for 192.168.0.0 from "On-link" to
> 192.168.0.1 using the "route change" command. I can now ping local
> computers as well the on the internet, and I can ping the Vista machine
> from other computers on my network.
>
> However, I still can't "see" other computers from the Vista machine and
> "net view" still yields an error 6118 (can't list).
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> ohaya wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just got Vista Premium installed, and I can't see or ping any local
>> computers. I can ping and access external systems (e.g., using IE).
>>
>> I've enabled NetBIOS over TCP, set fixed IP, DNS, and Gateway, and
>> also disabled the firewall, but still have the problem.
>>
>> I don't know if this is the problem, but I was looking at the routing
>> table (route print), and it looks (the metric) strange:
>>
>> C:\Windows\system32>route print
>> ===========================================================================
>>
>> Interface List
>> 8 ...00 03 ff 04 32 79 ...... Intel 21140-Based PCI Fast Ethernet
>> Adapter (Emu
>> lated)
>> 1 ........................... Software Loopback Interface 1
>> 9 ...02 00 54 55 4e 01 ...... Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
>> 10 ...00 00 00 00 00 00 00 e0
>> isatap.{2B31F864-F1D7-4F28-A11E-323100BCB06A}
>> ===========================================================================
>>
>>
>> IPv4 Route Table
>> ===========================================================================
>>
>> Active Routes:
>> Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface
>> Metric
>> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1
>> 192.168.0.253 276
>> 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 On-link
>> 127.0.0.1 306
>> 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 On-link
>> 127.0.0.1 306
>> 127.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link
>> 127.0.0.1 306
>> 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 On-link
>> 192.168.0.253 276
>> 192.168.0.253 255.255.255.255 On-link
>> 192.168.0.253 276
>> 192.168.0.255 255.255.255.255 On-link
>> 192.168.0.253 276
>> 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link
>> 127.0.0.1 306
>> 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link
>> 192.168.0.253 276
>> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link
>> 127.0.0.1 306
>> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link
>> 192.168.0.253 276
>> ===========================================================================
>>
>> Persistent Routes:
>> Network Address Netmask Gateway Address Metric
>> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 Default
>> ===========================================================================
>>
>>
>> IPv6 Route Table
>> ===========================================================================
>>
>> Active Routes:
>> If Metric Network Destination Gateway
>> 1 306 ::1/128 On-link
>> 10 281 fe80::5efe:192.168.0.253/128
>> On-link
>> 1 306 ff00::/8 On-link
>> ===========================================================================
>>
>> Persistent Routes:
>> None
>>
>> Can anyone tell me how I can get local network access working?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim

In network center do you have the network type set to private?

Also check in network center to make sure network discovery is turned on.



"ohaya" <ohaya@cox.net> wrote in message
news:e0Gwm1XUHHA.2212@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> This is getting stranger by the minute ...
>
> Since, after changing the route table, I can ping other machines, I tried
> accessing another machine's shares using it's IP address, e.g.:
>
> Instead of \\testwin2k\e
>
> I used:
>
> \\192.168.0.252\e
>
> and, that WORKED?
>
> net view \\192.168.0.252 also works.
>
> I still can't see any machines in "Network", though .
>
> Does anyone know how I can get this all working? Also, how come I had to
> change the route table, and how can I configure things so that I don't
> have to do that?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
>
> ohaya wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Well, I was just able to get ping to local computers working, by changing
>> gateway in the route for 192.168.0.0 from "On-link" to 192.168.0.1 using
>> the "route change" command. I can now ping local computers as well the
>> on the internet, and I can ping the Vista machine from other computers on
>> my network.
>>
>> However, I still can't "see" other computers from the Vista machine and
>> "net view" still yields an error 6118 (can't list).
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> ohaya wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I just got Vista Premium installed, and I can't see or ping any local
>>> computers. I can ping and access external systems (e.g., using IE).
>>>
>>> I've enabled NetBIOS over TCP, set fixed IP, DNS, and Gateway, and also
>>> disabled the firewall, but still have the problem.
>>>
>>> I don't know if this is the problem, but I was looking at the routing
>>> table (route print), and it looks (the metric) strange:
>>>
>>> C:\Windows\system32>route print
>>> ===========================================================================
>>> Interface List
>>> 8 ...00 03 ff 04 32 79 ...... Intel 21140-Based PCI Fast Ethernet
>>> Adapter (Emu
>>> lated)
>>> 1 ........................... Software Loopback Interface 1
>>> 9 ...02 00 54 55 4e 01 ...... Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
>>> 10 ...00 00 00 00 00 00 00 e0
>>> isatap.{2B31F864-F1D7-4F28-A11E-323100BCB06A}
>>> ===========================================================================
>>>
>>> IPv4 Route Table
>>> ===========================================================================
>>> Active Routes:
>>> Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface
>>> Metric
>>> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.253
>>> 276
>>> 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 On-link 127.0.0.1
>>> 306
>>> 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1
>>> 306
>>> 127.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1
>>> 306
>>> 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 On-link 192.168.0.253
>>> 276
>>> 192.168.0.253 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.0.253
>>> 276
>>> 192.168.0.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.0.253
>>> 276
>>> 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link 127.0.0.1
>>> 306
>>> 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link 192.168.0.253
>>> 276
>>> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1
>>> 306
>>> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.0.253
>>> 276
>>> ===========================================================================
>>> Persistent Routes:
>>> Network Address Netmask Gateway Address Metric
>>> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 Default
>>> ===========================================================================
>>>
>>> IPv6 Route Table
>>> ===========================================================================
>>> Active Routes:
>>> If Metric Network Destination Gateway
>>> 1 306 ::1/128 On-link
>>> 10 281 fe80::5efe:192.168.0.253/128
>>> On-link
>>> 1 306 ff00::/8 On-link
>>> ===========================================================================
>>> Persistent Routes:
>>> None
>>>
>>> Can anyone tell me how I can get local network access working?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jim

Michael,

Thanks for responding.

The answer is "yes" to both of your suggestions. Network type is set to
"private", and network discovery is turned on.

The puzzling thing is that, with all the things that I've tried, I've
*occasionally* been able to get other computers to appear, but then
they're gone after reboot.

I have a feeling that part of the problem is that in the Properties for
the "Client for Microsoft Networks", under "RPC Service", when I try to
set that to "Windows Locater", that setting is not "sticking", i.e.,
when I go ack in to look at the setting, it's set to blank again. The
reason for this suspicion is I think that was one of the things that
I've been messing with.

Again, I can access shares on other machines using "\\<ipaddress>", but
I just can't seem to get Vista to get a list of other machines.

Jim



Michael Price wrote:
> In network center do you have the network type set to private?
>
> Also check in network center to make sure network discovery is turned on.
>
>
>
> "ohaya" <ohaya@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:e0Gwm1XUHHA.2212@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is getting stranger by the minute ...
>>
>> Since, after changing the route table, I can ping other machines, I
>> tried accessing another machine's shares using it's IP address, e.g.:
>>
>> Instead of \\testwin2k\e
>>
>> I used:
>>
>> \\192.168.0.252\e
>>
>> and, that WORKED?
>>
>> net view \\192.168.0.252 also works.
>>
>> I still can't see any machines in "Network", though .
>>
>> Does anyone know how I can get this all working? Also, how come I had
>> to change the route table, and how can I configure things so that I
>> don't have to do that?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> ohaya wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Well, I was just able to get ping to local computers working, by
>>> changing gateway in the route for 192.168.0.0 from "On-link" to
>>> 192.168.0.1 using the "route change" command. I can now ping local
>>> computers as well the on the internet, and I can ping the Vista
>>> machine from other computers on my network.
>>>
>>> However, I still can't "see" other computers from the Vista machine
>>> and "net view" still yields an error 6118 (can't list).
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ohaya wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I just got Vista Premium installed, and I can't see or ping any
>>>> local computers. I can ping and access external systems (e.g.,
>>>> using IE).
>>>>
>>>> I've enabled NetBIOS over TCP, set fixed IP, DNS, and Gateway, and
>>>> also disabled the firewall, but still have the problem.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if this is the problem, but I was looking at the
>>>> routing table (route print), and it looks (the metric) strange:
>>>>
>>>> C:\Windows\system32>route print
>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Interface List
>>>> 8 ...00 03 ff 04 32 79 ...... Intel 21140-Based PCI Fast Ethernet
>>>> Adapter (Emu
>>>> lated)
>>>> 1 ........................... Software Loopback Interface 1
>>>> 9 ...02 00 54 55 4e 01 ...... Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
>>>> 10 ...00 00 00 00 00 00 00 e0
>>>> isatap.{2B31F864-F1D7-4F28-A11E-323100BCB06A}
>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IPv4 Route Table
>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Active Routes:
>>>> Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface
>>>> Metric
>>>> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.253
>>>> 276
>>>> 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 On-link 127.0.0.1
>>>> 306
>>>> 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1
>>>> 306
>>>> 127.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1
>>>> 306
>>>> 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 On-link 192.168.0.253
>>>> 276
>>>> 192.168.0.253 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.0.253
>>>> 276
>>>> 192.168.0.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.0.253
>>>> 276
>>>> 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link 127.0.0.1
>>>> 306
>>>> 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link 192.168.0.253
>>>> 276
>>>> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1
>>>> 306
>>>> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 192.168.0.253
>>>> 276
>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Persistent Routes:
>>>> Network Address Netmask Gateway Address Metric
>>>> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 Default
>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IPv6 Route Table
>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Active Routes:
>>>> If Metric Network Destination Gateway
>>>> 1 306 ::1/128 On-link
>>>> 10 281 fe80::5efe:192.168.0.253/128
>>>> On-link
>>>> 1 306 ff00::/8 On-link
>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Persistent Routes:
>>>> None
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone tell me how I can get local network access working?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jim
>

Hi,

I tried browstat from the MS resource toolkit, and when I run "browstat
getmaster 1 misnet", I get:

Run on Vista1 machine: Master Browser: VISTA1
Run on other machines: Master Browser: TESTWIN2K

So, it seems like the Vista machine thinks that it's the browser master.
This stays the same even after I do a "browstat elect".

Jim



ohaya wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Thanks for responding.
>
> The answer is "yes" to both of your suggestions. Network type is set to
> "private", and network discovery is turned on.
>
> The puzzling thing is that, with all the things that I've tried, I've
> *occasionally* been able to get other computers to appear, but then
> they're gone after reboot.
>
> I have a feeling that part of the problem is that in the Properties for
> the "Client for Microsoft Networks", under "RPC Service", when I try to
> set that to "Windows Locater", that setting is not "sticking", i.e.,
> when I go ack in to look at the setting, it's set to blank again. The
> reason for this suspicion is I think that was one of the things that
> I've been messing with.
>
> Again, I can access shares on other machines using "\\<ipaddress>", but
> I just can't seem to get Vista to get a list of other machines.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Michael Price wrote:
>> In network center do you have the network type set to private?
>>
>> Also check in network center to make sure network discovery is turned on.
>>
>>
>>
>> "ohaya" <ohaya@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:e0Gwm1XUHHA.2212@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This is getting stranger by the minute ...
>>>
>>> Since, after changing the route table, I can ping other machines, I
>>> tried accessing another machine's shares using it's IP address, e.g.:
>>>
>>> Instead of \\testwin2k\e
>>>
>>> I used:
>>>
>>> \\192.168.0.252\e
>>>
>>> and, that WORKED?
>>>
>>> net view \\192.168.0.252 also works.
>>>
>>> I still can't see any machines in "Network", though .
>>>
>>> Does anyone know how I can get this all working? Also, how come I
>>> had to change the route table, and how can I configure things so that
>>> I don't have to do that?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> ohaya wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Well, I was just able to get ping to local computers working, by
>>>> changing gateway in the route for 192.168.0.0 from "On-link" to
>>>> 192.168.0.1 using the "route change" command. I can now ping local
>>>> computers as well the on the internet, and I can ping the Vista
>>>> machine from other computers on my network.
>>>>
>>>> However, I still can't "see" other computers from the Vista machine
>>>> and "net view" still yields an error 6118 (can't list).
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ohaya wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just got Vista Premium installed, and I can't see or ping any
>>>>> local computers. I can ping and access external systems (e.g.,
>>>>> using IE).
>>>>>
>>>>> I've enabled NetBIOS over TCP, set fixed IP, DNS, and Gateway, and
>>>>> also disabled the firewall, but still have the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if this is the problem, but I was looking at the
>>>>> routing table (route print), and it looks (the metric) strange:
>>>>>
>>>>> C:\Windows\system32>route print
>>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> Interface List
>>>>> 8 ...00 03 ff 04 32 79 ...... Intel 21140-Based PCI Fast Ethernet
>>>>> Adapter (Emu
>>>>> lated)
>>>>> 1 ........................... Software Loopback Interface 1
>>>>> 9 ...02 00 54 55 4e 01 ...... Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
>>>>> 10 ...00 00 00 00 00 00 00 e0
>>>>> isatap.{2B31F864-F1D7-4F28-A11E-323100BCB06A}
>>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IPv4 Route Table
>>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> Active Routes:
>>>>> Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface
>>>>> Metric
>>>>> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1
>>>>> 192.168.0.253 276
>>>>> 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 On-link
>>>>> 127.0.0.1 306
>>>>> 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 On-link
>>>>> 127.0.0.1 306
>>>>> 127.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link
>>>>> 127.0.0.1 306
>>>>> 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 On-link
>>>>> 192.168.0.253 276
>>>>> 192.168.0.253 255.255.255.255 On-link
>>>>> 192.168.0.253 276
>>>>> 192.168.0.255 255.255.255.255 On-link
>>>>> 192.168.0.253 276
>>>>> 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link
>>>>> 127.0.0.1 306
>>>>> 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link
>>>>> 192.168.0.253 276
>>>>> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link
>>>>> 127.0.0.1 306
>>>>> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link
>>>>> 192.168.0.253 276
>>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> Persistent Routes:
>>>>> Network Address Netmask Gateway Address Metric
>>>>> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 Default
>>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IPv6 Route Table
>>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> Active Routes:
>>>>> If Metric Network Destination Gateway
>>>>> 1 306 ::1/128 On-link
>>>>> 10 281 fe80::5efe:192.168.0.253/128
>>>>> On-link
>>>>> 1 306 ff00::/8 On-link
>>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> Persistent Routes:
>>>>> None
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone tell me how I can get local network access working?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jim
>>