Vista - Difficulty seeing old Xp system from Vista

as stated above, cannot get my network setup. I cannot see my xp system from
Vista. Both systenm connected via a linksys BEFSR41 wired router. These are
the settings:
Vista machine: (workgroup names are the same: WORKGROUP)
1. network discovery is on
2. File sharing is on
3. public sharing is off
4. printer sharing is off (only because I cannot turn it on, as it is
connected to the xp system).
5. file and print sharing is ok to go through firewall.

xp machine:
firewall set to allow sharing
LLTD responder istalled.

If i boot into xp on vista pc, everything works perfect....
what else can I look at?
thanks for any insight.

<<..what else can I look at?..>>

Hi Dave -

1) There are several other threads around here on the subject
2) Your list is not clear about the item for naming where MS changed the
default from 'MSHome' on XP to 'Workgroup' on Vista. Are you saying you did
that to the XPs? If not, try renaming XP machine network to 'Workgroup'.
Plus there is a download patch needed for XPs see link below.
3) I've found I need to turn on the XPs then the Vista machine after running
thru all the items from this very helpful link from another thread here
("only way to connect to vista with xp"):

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/net.../vista_fp.mspx

T

"Dave W" wrote:

> as stated above, cannot get my network setup. I cannot see my xp system from
> Vista. Both systenm connected via a linksys BEFSR41 wired router. These are
> the settings:
> Vista machine: (workgroup names are the same: WORKGROUP)
> 1. network discovery is on
> 2. File sharing is on
> 3. public sharing is off
> 4. printer sharing is off (only because I cannot turn it on, as it is
> connected to the xp system).
> 5. file and print sharing is ok to go through firewall.
>
> xp machine:
> firewall set to allow sharing
> LLTD responder istalled.
>
> If i boot into xp on vista pc, everything works perfect....
> what else can I look at?
> thanks for any insight.
>

If turn off the firewall or any security software, can you ping XP?

Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
"Dave W" <Dave W@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:8849243C-A34B-42AF-B00A-5A23430A63FB@microsoft.com...
as stated above, cannot get my network setup. I cannot see my xp system from
Vista. Both systenm connected via a linksys BEFSR41 wired router. These are
the settings:
Vista machine: (workgroup names are the same: WORKGROUP)
1. network discovery is on
2. File sharing is on
3. public sharing is off
4. printer sharing is off (only because I cannot turn it on, as it is
connected to the xp system).
5. file and print sharing is ok to go through firewall.

xp machine:
firewall set to allow sharing
LLTD responder istalled.

If i boot into xp on vista pc, everything works perfect....
what else can I look at?
thanks for any insight.

Hi Trick,

I have the same problem with Dave.
Here are two computers in my home, one is XP, the other one is Vista, the
problem is XP can see vist a but vista can not see XP even though both
computers in the same workgroup. You told Dave how to do, I did it, but the
vista still can not see th XP, can you please tell what else for network to
let vista to see XP and share the printer.

Thanks,
Grace


"Trick" wrote:

> <<..what else can I look at?..>>
>
> Hi Dave -
>
> 1) There are several other threads around here on the subject
> 2) Your list is not clear about the item for naming where MS changed the
> default from 'MSHome' on XP to 'Workgroup' on Vista. Are you saying you did
> that to the XPs? If not, try renaming XP machine network to 'Workgroup'.
> Plus there is a download patch needed for XPs see link below.
> 3) I've found I need to turn on the XPs then the Vista machine after running
> thru all the items from this very helpful link from another thread here
> ("only way to connect to vista with xp"):
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/net.../vista_fp.mspx
>
> T
>
> "Dave W" wrote:
>
> > as stated above, cannot get my network setup. I cannot see my xp system from
> > Vista. Both systenm connected via a linksys BEFSR41 wired router. These are
> > the settings:
> > Vista machine: (workgroup names are the same: WORKGROUP)
> > 1. network discovery is on
> > 2. File sharing is on
> > 3. public sharing is off
> > 4. printer sharing is off (only because I cannot turn it on, as it is
> > connected to the xp system).
> > 5. file and print sharing is ok to go through firewall.
> >
> > xp machine:
> > firewall set to allow sharing
> > LLTD responder istalled.
> >
> > If i boot into xp on vista pc, everything works perfect....
> > what else can I look at?
> > thanks for any insight.
> >

Hey Grace - I can sort of relate what I learned from troubleshooting. I'd
recommend thorough study in the link from MS b/c neither I nor Dave may have
mentioned some detail you need - I also recommend reading other posts here,
some have more details.

The one thing I have not seen in that link is that it is necessary for me to
turn off the Vista machine. Then, firstly, turn on the XPs. The XPs see
each other on the home "workgroup" network name (renamed from their default
"MSHome"), then after they are fully booted, when I turn on Vista machine, it
sees the other two and I can file share. If the Vista is on first, none of
them can see each other. MS sort of told me on a side question they do know
about that.

You also need at least one file permitted for sharing on each machine. I
have not had the courage yet to see if my printer is on the network. Leaving
that for a rainy day. I doubt it will go well given the file sharing
difficulties. I think you are close though - all of a sudden it just worked
for me.

You could search on my screen name - I've mentioned some other details
around here that helped me learn...

T

"grace" wrote:

> Hi Trick,
>
> I have the same problem with Dave.
> Here are two computers in my home, one is XP, the other one is Vista, the
> problem is XP can see vist a but vista can not see XP even though both
> computers in the same workgroup. You told Dave how to do, I did it, but the
> vista still can not see th XP, can you please tell what else for network to
> let vista to see XP and share the printer.
>
> Thanks,
> Grace
>

In article <8849243C-A34B-42AF-B00A-5A23430A63FB@microsoft.com>, Dave
W <Dave W@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>as stated above, cannot get my network setup. I cannot see my xp system from
>Vista. Both systenm connected via a linksys BEFSR41 wired router. These are
>the settings:
>Vista machine: (workgroup names are the same: WORKGROUP)
>1. network discovery is on
>2. File sharing is on
>3. public sharing is off
>4. printer sharing is off (only because I cannot turn it on, as it is
>connected to the xp system).
>5. file and print sharing is ok to go through firewall.
>
>xp machine:
>firewall set to allow sharing
>LLTD responder istalled.
>
>If i boot into xp on vista pc, everything works perfect....
>what else can I look at?
>thanks for any insight.

How are you trying to see the XP system from Vista? What are you
clicking? What exactly happens when you do it?

Try this: on Vista, click the Start button and type this in the "Start
Search" box, substituting the XP computer's actual name:

\\computer

Then press Enter, and a Window should open showing XP's shared
folders.
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"Trick" <Trick@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:56AD2649-5463-40FA-B9D1-67785DFE4856@microsoft.com...
> 2) Your list is not clear about the item for naming where MS changed the
> default from 'MSHome' on XP to 'Workgroup' on Vista. Are you saying you
> did
> that to the XPs? If not, try renaming XP machine network to 'Workgroup'.
> Plus there is a download patch needed for XPs see link below.
> 3) I've found I need to turn on the XPs then the Vista machine after
> running
> thru all the items from this very helpful link from another thread here
> ("only way to connect to vista with xp"):
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/net.../vista_fp.mspx
>>

Trick,
2. As long as workgroup names are common it should be fine. I don't use
either of the default workgroup names for Vista or XP. My workgroup name is
Camelot on all 4 networked machines with a DLink DI-624 WPA2/PSK enabled
router. Two desktop ethernet connections with Vista Ultimate RTM and Vista
Pre-Release(5840) from the Vista Launch event. The latter in a dual boot
with XP Pro. The other two machines are two wireless Micron laptops XP Pro
and XP Home)
- What patch were you referring that is needed for XP ? If its the the
LLTD, its only needed for showing the network map; not required for
connecting or networking.

3. Not sure of the machine sequence either..it works both ways for me..it
does take a bit longer for the XP Home wireless laptop to find the two Vista
machines. But the sequence seems not to matter. If the laptops are placed in
standby their DLink DWL-G630 card(s) eventually finds it, but it can be
hastened by accessing the Network icon/View Available Networks/Connect
button/and entry of the passkey if prompted.

Vista is setup as
Network Discovery On
File Sharing On
Public Folder Sharing On
Printer Sharing On(Printer is connected via USB to the dual boot Vista/XP
Pro machine)
Password Protected Sharing On
Media Sharing On

At least one non public folder is shared on each Vista machine, multiple
folders on each XP machine.
Each machine has a unique user profile/pw and a unique computer name. No
profiles are duplicated on any machine.
Each Vista machine non public folder is set up for simple file sharing,
permission for the respective machines unique user profile(owner) and
Guest/co-owner.
Router is setup to dispense only four ip addresses, setup for mac address
filter to only allow for the 4 machine's ip address. For the wireless units
Wpa2/psk 63 hex key encryption, unique SSID name, SSID broadcast off, and a
different channel.

I first used/created common profiles(username/pw on the machines) but
decided since it is a private home network and nothing was sacred amongst
the machines or users to use the Guest approach and password sharing. This
saved the 10MB of wasted space for the seldom used profiles.
Someone might say its not as secure with the Guest approach..but I'm still
waiting for someone to give me a concrete reason to change it back to common
profiles across machines with the above setup, or a different method that
just as simple. I am open to all suggestions.

On first access by any machine from a Vista unit to an XP Pro unit or vice
versa the username/password for the respective machine being accessed is
required. Accesssing the XP Home machine does not require a username/pw it
just connects.

Additionally, all units can see the external usb drives on each Desktop
unit.

....winston

"Trick" <Trick@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:56AD2649-5463-40FA-B9D1-67785DFE4856@microsoft.com...
> 2) Your list is not clear about the item for naming where MS changed the
> default from 'MSHome' on XP to 'Workgroup' on Vista. Are you saying you
> did
> that to the XPs? If not, try renaming XP machine network to 'Workgroup'.
> Plus there is a download patch needed for XPs see link below.
> 3) I've found I need to turn on the XPs then the Vista machine after
> running
> thru all the items from this very helpful link from another thread here
> ("only way to connect to vista with xp"):
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/net.../vista_fp.mspx
>>

Trick,
2. As long as workgroup names are common it should be fine. I don't use
either of the default workgroup names for Vista or XP. My workgroup name is
Camelot on all 4 networked machines with a DLink DI-624 WPA2/PSK enabled
router. Two desktop ethernet connections with Vista Ultimate RTM and Vista
Pre-Release(5840) from the Vista Launch event. The latter in a dual boot
with XP Pro. The other two machines are two wireless Micron laptops XP Pro
and XP Home)
- What patch were you referring that is needed for XP ? If its the the
LLTD, its only needed for showing the network map; not required for
connecting or networking.

3. Not sure of the machine sequence either..it works both ways for me..it
does take a bit longer for the XP Home wireless laptop to find the two Vista
machines. But the sequence seems not to matter. If the laptops are placed in
standby their DLink DWL-G630 card(s) eventually finds it, but it can be
hastened by accessing the Network icon/View Available Networks/Connect
button/and entry of the passkey if prompted.

Vista is setup as
Network Discovery On
File Sharing On
Public Folder Sharing On
Printer Sharing On(Printer is connected via USB to the dual boot Vista/XP
Pro machine)
Password Protected Sharing On
Media Sharing On

At least one non public folder is shared on each Vista machine, multiple
folders on each XP machine.
Each machine has a unique user profile/pw and a unique computer name. No
profiles are duplicated on any machine.
Each Vista machine non public folder is set up for simple file sharing,
permission for the respective machines unique user profile(owner) and
Guest/co-owner.
Router is setup to dispense only four ip addresses, setup for mac address
filter to only allow for the 4 machine's ip address. For the wireless units
Wpa2/psk 63 hex key encryption, unique SSID name, SSID broadcast off, and a
different channel.

I first used/created common profiles(username/pw on the machines) but
decided since it is a private home network and nothing was sacred amongst
the machines or users to use the Guest approach and password sharing. This
saved the 10MB of wasted space for the seldom used profiles.
Someone might say its not as secure with the Guest approach..but I'm still
waiting for someone to give me a concrete reason to change it back to common
profiles across machines with the above setup, or a different method that
just as simple. I am open to all suggestions.

On first access by any machine from a Vista unit to an XP Pro unit or vice
versa the username/password for the respective machine being accessed is
required. Accesssing the XP Home machine does not require a username/pw it
just connects.

Additionally, all units can see the external usb drives on each Vista
Desktop
unit and share their folders but not the root of the drive(not sure how if I
can do that..maybe that's another thread or has been answered already).

....winston

Hi,

I had the same problem and someone from here said me to open 'windows
explorer', ping the Xp ip adress, shutdown/restart.

For me, it worked.

Rgs

"Dave W" wrote:

> as stated above, cannot get my network setup. I cannot see my xp system from
> Vista. Both systenm connected via a linksys BEFSR41 wired router. These are
> the settings:
> Vista machine: (workgroup names are the same: WORKGROUP)
> 1. network discovery is on
> 2. File sharing is on
> 3. public sharing is off
> 4. printer sharing is off (only because I cannot turn it on, as it is
> connected to the xp system).
> 5. file and print sharing is ok to go through firewall.
>
> xp machine:
> firewall set to allow sharing
> LLTD responder istalled.
>
> If i boot into xp on vista pc, everything works perfect....
> what else can I look at?
> thanks for any insight.
>
>
>
>
>

"Dave W" wrote:

> as stated above, cannot get my network setup. I cannot see my xp system from
> Vista. Both systenm connected via a linksys BEFSR41 wired router. These are
> the settings:
> Vista machine: (workgroup names are the same: WORKGROUP)
> 1. network discovery is on
> 2. File sharing is on
> 3. public sharing is off
> 4. printer sharing is off (only because I cannot turn it on, as it is
> connected to the xp system).
> 5. file and print sharing is ok to go through firewall.
>
> xp machine:
> firewall set to allow sharing
> LLTD responder istalled.
>
> If i boot into xp on vista pc, everything works perfect....
> what else can I look at?
> thanks for any insight.
>
> The easiest way I found is to use the IP address(es) of the shared XP PC(s). Type 'IPconfig /all' from the XP command prompt to find the XP PC's IP. Then go to your Vista Machine(s), open IE and type '\\140.150.16.1' (using your XP machines IP). All shared folders on your XP machine should then be visable in a new window. I've had no problem with boot sequesnce either (doesn't matter whether the XP or Vista Machine is on first). Your ISP may change your IP from time so this may not be a long term solution.
>
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