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Vista and XP *DO* network -- steps I took.

  1. #1


    Don Guest

    Vista and XP *DO* network -- steps I took.

    Now, to begin with, the purpose of this post is to perhaps help someone who
    is having trouble networking a Vista machine with an XP -- and that posting
    my own solution may be able to help. In my case, it was Norton Firewall
    related -- so this may be helpful to someone with that combination (or
    perhaps to extrapolate some of this to other firewalls.)

    I could have gone happily off into computing-oblivion, but I know what pain
    I was in to get this thing working, and thought to come back and at least
    post the good news. Maybe it'll help someone. (Perhaps you can do a reply
    here, if it does.)

    To begin with, my problem was to network my new Vista laptop with my
    wireless router and XP desktop. And reading some of the posts here were
    helpful -- but ultimately I figured it out on my own. The weird (and
    troubling) thing to me is that as I was working all this up as I set up the
    machine originally, it WAS all WORKING. (Don't really know what I did..) but
    it was working.

    Alas, my new machine had a crash, and I had to re-image the disk. Now,
    everything was unchanged in the XP machine, but troublingly, I could no
    longer network. And that's when I first came here.

    In a nutshell, for me and my configuration (I have a Norton firewall), it
    was the Norton that was the problem/solution. I had already configured the XP
    directories to share, and I think that was about all I needed to do there.
    But the firewall on THIS end had to be configured. And not that it was a
    simple solution, as there were TWO things that needed to be done; and I had
    had separately fixed each of the ones without the other, and until I happened
    to hit on BOTH of them, it still wasn't working.

    So, if anyone is trying to get an XP (with McAfee) and Vista (with Norton)
    to connect, here were my steps: It turned out that disabling the firewall
    wasn't enough -- I had to also configure the other machine to be a "trusted
    IP." (And for that matter, trusted IP alone wasn't enough without turning off
    the firewall. And for that matter for that matter, both of them together were
    sometimes not enough -- I had to turn off and on the firewall a couple of
    times, ultimately.) But, for those that are interested, the story is below --
    but bear with me one second longer, before I post that: In the process of
    working through the steps as I typed them here, (oh joy) everything stopped
    working again. Funny, I suppose. But that's when it seemed to me that, even
    with the right configurations, the firewall has to be turned off and on,
    perhaps multiple times. Perhaps Norton and/or Vista has to have an
    opportunity to "look around" and see each other when both of them are out in
    the neighborhood. I dunno.. but anyway, the steps are at the bottom:

    Now, for those who may be like me -- the "just gotta know" type person. As I
    was first getting it working, just for the knowledge of what ultimately
    caused this, I went back in and removed that trusted IP configuration. And
    boom -- no files. So, OK, that's in, I'm thinking. So I put it back in, and
    again NO files. Yikes! And I had it working, I'm thinking. Did I REALLY have
    to mess with this, just for the sake of knowing? (Yes, is that answer.)

    Anyway, after getting all in a knot for awhile, that's when I turned off --
    and then later successfully turned back on -- the firewall. And it worked.


    The steps:

    1. Open Norton Protection Center
    2. Click on the second tab, "Norton Internet Security"
    3. If it's not already, open the "Settings" section by clicking the "open"
    4. Scroll down about halfway to the Web Browsing section, and then look for
    the Personal Firewall section. Chances are, if the firewall is on, you click
    the "On" link (It'll say Off, if you've disabled it), and then..
    5. Click on the Configure button.

    Almost there..
    6. Under the Personal Firewall section, third link down says Trust Control.
    ...Click here.
    7. Middle tab says Trusted. ..Click there.
    8. Click on the button that says Add, and then type in the IP of the machine
    that you want to network with. (In my case 192.168.0.4) and then OK. [If you
    don't know the IP of what you're looking for, then do Control Panel/Network
    and Sharing Center and click "View full map" to see your setup. Mouseover the
    computer you're looking for, and it will show you its IP. (Now, if your
    machine doesn't show up in this map, that's a whole different situation than
    I'm talking about, and I'm not a network guy. So you'll have to figure that
    part yourself.)]

    9. Once you've entered in the IP -- and this is the part I don't understand
    -- that's when I turned off the firewall, and it worked. And then turned back
    on the firewall, and it STILL (thankfully) worked.

    So, if that alone isn't the end of the saga, as I'm typing this, working
    through all the stuff to click, turned off the firewall and back on again,
    and again, one more time, it didn't work. Oh joy. Fortunately, I had mapped
    the other machine's drive to my computer, which now lists it as a "Y" drive
    on mine, right in my windows explorer. And I was still able to access. So, at
    least I'm functional.

    Now, by "not work" what I mean is that, in Network and Sharing Center, when
    I clicked on View full map, it showed the computer, but I couldn't click on
    it to see the files. Again, fortunately the previous map was still working,
    so I was content. But all too un-understandable to me.

    So, as I had nothing to lose (hopefully,) I clicked off and on the firewall
    again (all the windows were still open and everything worked again.

    I won't be changing it again.


    I hope this helps someone. And perhaps, if it does, if I may encourage you
    to also do a "success" post, to be able to help someone else. After this
    post, I'm going happily off into computing land So, if this helps you,
    perhaps YOU can post what DID work, or copy/paste this one. And perhaps we
    can perpetuate the successful solution a bit longer.

    Best, --Don

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  3. #2


    Mac Guest

    Re: Vista and XP *DO* network -- steps I took.

    Get rid of Norton

    "Don" <Don@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:F4D2909E-B369-44A2-91B2-E29DFDD8A5AB@microsoft.com...
    > Now, to begin with, the purpose of this post is to perhaps help someone
    > who
    > is having trouble networking a Vista machine with an XP -- and that
    > posting
    > my own solution may be able to help. In my case, it was Norton Firewall
    > related -- so this may be helpful to someone with that combination (or
    > perhaps to extrapolate some of this to other firewalls.)
    >
    > I could have gone happily off into computing-oblivion, but I know what
    > pain
    > I was in to get this thing working, and thought to come back and at least
    > post the good news. Maybe it'll help someone. (Perhaps you can do a reply
    > here, if it does.)
    >
    > To begin with, my problem was to network my new Vista laptop with my
    > wireless router and XP desktop. And reading some of the posts here were
    > helpful -- but ultimately I figured it out on my own. The weird (and
    > troubling) thing to me is that as I was working all this up as I set up
    > the
    > machine originally, it WAS all WORKING. (Don't really know what I did..)
    > but
    > it was working.
    >
    > Alas, my new machine had a crash, and I had to re-image the disk. Now,
    > everything was unchanged in the XP machine, but troublingly, I could no
    > longer network. And that's when I first came here.
    >
    > In a nutshell, for me and my configuration (I have a Norton firewall), it
    > was the Norton that was the problem/solution. I had already configured the
    > XP
    > directories to share, and I think that was about all I needed to do there.
    > But the firewall on THIS end had to be configured. And not that it was a
    > simple solution, as there were TWO things that needed to be done; and I
    > had
    > had separately fixed each of the ones without the other, and until I
    > happened
    > to hit on BOTH of them, it still wasn't working.
    >
    > So, if anyone is trying to get an XP (with McAfee) and Vista (with Norton)
    > to connect, here were my steps: It turned out that disabling the firewall
    > wasn't enough -- I had to also configure the other machine to be a
    > "trusted
    > IP." (And for that matter, trusted IP alone wasn't enough without turning
    > off
    > the firewall. And for that matter for that matter, both of them together
    > were
    > sometimes not enough -- I had to turn off and on the firewall a couple of
    > times, ultimately.) But, for those that are interested, the story is
    > below --
    > but bear with me one second longer, before I post that: In the process of
    > working through the steps as I typed them here, (oh joy) everything
    > stopped
    > working again. Funny, I suppose. But that's when it seemed to me that,
    > even
    > with the right configurations, the firewall has to be turned off and on,
    > perhaps multiple times. Perhaps Norton and/or Vista has to have an
    > opportunity to "look around" and see each other when both of them are out
    > in
    > the neighborhood. I dunno.. but anyway, the steps are at the bottom:
    >
    > Now, for those who may be like me -- the "just gotta know" type person. As
    > I
    > was first getting it working, just for the knowledge of what ultimately
    > caused this, I went back in and removed that trusted IP configuration. And
    > boom -- no files. So, OK, that's in, I'm thinking. So I put it back in,
    > and
    > again NO files. Yikes! And I had it working, I'm thinking. Did I REALLY
    > have
    > to mess with this, just for the sake of knowing? (Yes, is that answer.)
    >
    > Anyway, after getting all in a knot for awhile, that's when I turned
    > off --
    > and then later successfully turned back on -- the firewall. And it worked.
    >
    >
    > The steps:
    >
    > 1. Open Norton Protection Center
    > 2. Click on the second tab, "Norton Internet Security"
    > 3. If it's not already, open the "Settings" section by clicking the "open"
    > 4. Scroll down about halfway to the Web Browsing section, and then look
    > for
    > the Personal Firewall section. Chances are, if the firewall is on, you
    > click
    > the "On" link (It'll say Off, if you've disabled it), and then..
    > 5. Click on the Configure button.
    >
    > Almost there..
    > 6. Under the Personal Firewall section, third link down says Trust
    > Control.
    > ..Click here.
    > 7. Middle tab says Trusted. ..Click there.
    > 8. Click on the button that says Add, and then type in the IP of the
    > machine
    > that you want to network with. (In my case 192.168.0.4) and then OK. [If
    > you
    > don't know the IP of what you're looking for, then do Control
    > Panel/Network
    > and Sharing Center and click "View full map" to see your setup. Mouseover
    > the
    > computer you're looking for, and it will show you its IP. (Now, if your
    > machine doesn't show up in this map, that's a whole different situation
    > than
    > I'm talking about, and I'm not a network guy. So you'll have to figure
    > that
    > part yourself.)]
    >
    > 9. Once you've entered in the IP -- and this is the part I don't
    > understand
    > -- that's when I turned off the firewall, and it worked. And then turned
    > back
    > on the firewall, and it STILL (thankfully) worked.
    >
    > So, if that alone isn't the end of the saga, as I'm typing this, working
    > through all the stuff to click, turned off the firewall and back on again,
    > and again, one more time, it didn't work. Oh joy. Fortunately, I had
    > mapped
    > the other machine's drive to my computer, which now lists it as a "Y"
    > drive
    > on mine, right in my windows explorer. And I was still able to access. So,
    > at
    > least I'm functional.
    >
    > Now, by "not work" what I mean is that, in Network and Sharing Center,
    > when
    > I clicked on View full map, it showed the computer, but I couldn't click
    > on
    > it to see the files. Again, fortunately the previous map was still
    > working,
    > so I was content. But all too un-understandable to me.
    >
    > So, as I had nothing to lose (hopefully,) I clicked off and on the
    > firewall
    > again (all the windows were still open and everything worked again.
    >
    > I won't be changing it again.
    >
    >
    > I hope this helps someone. And perhaps, if it does, if I may encourage you
    > to also do a "success" post, to be able to help someone else. After this
    > post, I'm going happily off into computing land So, if this helps you,
    > perhaps YOU can post what DID work, or copy/paste this one. And perhaps we
    > can perpetuate the successful solution a bit longer.
    >
    > Best, --Don



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  4. #3


    Tiberius Guest

    Re: Vista and XP *DO* network -- steps I took.

    Norton is the worse software I have ever seen
    Vista is the second worse


    "Don" <Don@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:F4D2909E-B369-44A2-91B2-E29DFDD8A5AB@microsoft.com...
    > Now, to begin with, the purpose of this post is to perhaps help someone
    > who
    > is having trouble networking a Vista machine with an XP -- and that
    > posting
    > my own solution may be able to help. In my case, it was Norton Firewall
    > related -- so this may be helpful to someone with that combination (or
    > perhaps to extrapolate some of this to other firewalls.)
    >
    > I could have gone happily off into computing-oblivion, but I know what
    > pain
    > I was in to get this thing working, and thought to come back and at least
    > post the good news. Maybe it'll help someone. (Perhaps you can do a reply
    > here, if it does.)
    >
    > To begin with, my problem was to network my new Vista laptop with my
    > wireless router and XP desktop. And reading some of the posts here were
    > helpful -- but ultimately I figured it out on my own. The weird (and
    > troubling) thing to me is that as I was working all this up as I set up
    > the
    > machine originally, it WAS all WORKING. (Don't really know what I did..)
    > but
    > it was working.
    >
    > Alas, my new machine had a crash, and I had to re-image the disk. Now,
    > everything was unchanged in the XP machine, but troublingly, I could no
    > longer network. And that's when I first came here.
    >
    > In a nutshell, for me and my configuration (I have a Norton firewall), it
    > was the Norton that was the problem/solution. I had already configured the
    > XP
    > directories to share, and I think that was about all I needed to do there.
    > But the firewall on THIS end had to be configured. And not that it was a
    > simple solution, as there were TWO things that needed to be done; and I
    > had
    > had separately fixed each of the ones without the other, and until I
    > happened
    > to hit on BOTH of them, it still wasn't working.
    >
    > So, if anyone is trying to get an XP (with McAfee) and Vista (with Norton)
    > to connect, here were my steps: It turned out that disabling the firewall
    > wasn't enough -- I had to also configure the other machine to be a
    > "trusted
    > IP." (And for that matter, trusted IP alone wasn't enough without turning
    > off
    > the firewall. And for that matter for that matter, both of them together
    > were
    > sometimes not enough -- I had to turn off and on the firewall a couple of
    > times, ultimately.) But, for those that are interested, the story is
    > below --
    > but bear with me one second longer, before I post that: In the process of
    > working through the steps as I typed them here, (oh joy) everything
    > stopped
    > working again. Funny, I suppose. But that's when it seemed to me that,
    > even
    > with the right configurations, the firewall has to be turned off and on,
    > perhaps multiple times. Perhaps Norton and/or Vista has to have an
    > opportunity to "look around" and see each other when both of them are out
    > in
    > the neighborhood. I dunno.. but anyway, the steps are at the bottom:
    >
    > Now, for those who may be like me -- the "just gotta know" type person. As
    > I
    > was first getting it working, just for the knowledge of what ultimately
    > caused this, I went back in and removed that trusted IP configuration. And
    > boom -- no files. So, OK, that's in, I'm thinking. So I put it back in,
    > and
    > again NO files. Yikes! And I had it working, I'm thinking. Did I REALLY
    > have
    > to mess with this, just for the sake of knowing? (Yes, is that answer.)
    >
    > Anyway, after getting all in a knot for awhile, that's when I turned
    > off --
    > and then later successfully turned back on -- the firewall. And it worked.
    >
    >
    > The steps:
    >
    > 1. Open Norton Protection Center
    > 2. Click on the second tab, "Norton Internet Security"
    > 3. If it's not already, open the "Settings" section by clicking the "open"
    > 4. Scroll down about halfway to the Web Browsing section, and then look
    > for
    > the Personal Firewall section. Chances are, if the firewall is on, you
    > click
    > the "On" link (It'll say Off, if you've disabled it), and then..
    > 5. Click on the Configure button.
    >
    > Almost there..
    > 6. Under the Personal Firewall section, third link down says Trust
    > Control.
    > ..Click here.
    > 7. Middle tab says Trusted. ..Click there.
    > 8. Click on the button that says Add, and then type in the IP of the
    > machine
    > that you want to network with. (In my case 192.168.0.4) and then OK. [If
    > you
    > don't know the IP of what you're looking for, then do Control
    > Panel/Network
    > and Sharing Center and click "View full map" to see your setup. Mouseover
    > the
    > computer you're looking for, and it will show you its IP. (Now, if your
    > machine doesn't show up in this map, that's a whole different situation
    > than
    > I'm talking about, and I'm not a network guy. So you'll have to figure
    > that
    > part yourself.)]
    >
    > 9. Once you've entered in the IP -- and this is the part I don't
    > understand
    > -- that's when I turned off the firewall, and it worked. And then turned
    > back
    > on the firewall, and it STILL (thankfully) worked.
    >
    > So, if that alone isn't the end of the saga, as I'm typing this, working
    > through all the stuff to click, turned off the firewall and back on again,
    > and again, one more time, it didn't work. Oh joy. Fortunately, I had
    > mapped
    > the other machine's drive to my computer, which now lists it as a "Y"
    > drive
    > on mine, right in my windows explorer. And I was still able to access. So,
    > at
    > least I'm functional.
    >
    > Now, by "not work" what I mean is that, in Network and Sharing Center,
    > when
    > I clicked on View full map, it showed the computer, but I couldn't click
    > on
    > it to see the files. Again, fortunately the previous map was still
    > working,
    > so I was content. But all too un-understandable to me.
    >
    > So, as I had nothing to lose (hopefully,) I clicked off and on the
    > firewall
    > again (all the windows were still open and everything worked again.
    >
    > I won't be changing it again.
    >
    >
    > I hope this helps someone. And perhaps, if it does, if I may encourage you
    > to also do a "success" post, to be able to help someone else. After this
    > post, I'm going happily off into computing land So, if this helps you,
    > perhaps YOU can post what DID work, or copy/paste this one. And perhaps we
    > can perpetuate the successful solution a bit longer.
    >
    > Best, --Don




      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  5. #4


    Nigel Lloyd Guest

    RE: Vista and XP *DO* network -- steps I took.

    I too have this problem and unfortunately this has not been able to solve it.
    Although I know the network operates (because my Vista notebook can access
    the internet through it), and i have entered the IP addresses of the other
    PCs in the network into my 'trusted' list, I am still unable to see them on
    the network (even though they can see my IP address - although not my PC's
    name).
    I am deeply frustrated by this, and at MicroSoft's apparent unwillingness to
    help in solving what i suspect is a widespread problem.

    "Don" wrote:

    > Now, to begin with, the purpose of this post is to perhaps help someone who
    > is having trouble networking a Vista machine with an XP -- and that posting
    > my own solution may be able to help. In my case, it was Norton Firewall
    > related -- so this may be helpful to someone with that combination (or
    > perhaps to extrapolate some of this to other firewalls.)
    >
    > I could have gone happily off into computing-oblivion, but I know what pain
    > I was in to get this thing working, and thought to come back and at least
    > post the good news. Maybe it'll help someone. (Perhaps you can do a reply
    > here, if it does.)
    >
    > To begin with, my problem was to network my new Vista laptop with my
    > wireless router and XP desktop. And reading some of the posts here were
    > helpful -- but ultimately I figured it out on my own. The weird (and
    > troubling) thing to me is that as I was working all this up as I set up the
    > machine originally, it WAS all WORKING. (Don't really know what I did..) but
    > it was working.
    >
    > Alas, my new machine had a crash, and I had to re-image the disk. Now,
    > everything was unchanged in the XP machine, but troublingly, I could no
    > longer network. And that's when I first came here.
    >
    > In a nutshell, for me and my configuration (I have a Norton firewall), it
    > was the Norton that was the problem/solution. I had already configured the XP
    > directories to share, and I think that was about all I needed to do there.
    > But the firewall on THIS end had to be configured. And not that it was a
    > simple solution, as there were TWO things that needed to be done; and I had
    > had separately fixed each of the ones without the other, and until I happened
    > to hit on BOTH of them, it still wasn't working.
    >
    > So, if anyone is trying to get an XP (with McAfee) and Vista (with Norton)
    > to connect, here were my steps: It turned out that disabling the firewall
    > wasn't enough -- I had to also configure the other machine to be a "trusted
    > IP." (And for that matter, trusted IP alone wasn't enough without turning off
    > the firewall. And for that matter for that matter, both of them together were
    > sometimes not enough -- I had to turn off and on the firewall a couple of
    > times, ultimately.) But, for those that are interested, the story is below --
    > but bear with me one second longer, before I post that: In the process of
    > working through the steps as I typed them here, (oh joy) everything stopped
    > working again. Funny, I suppose. But that's when it seemed to me that, even
    > with the right configurations, the firewall has to be turned off and on,
    > perhaps multiple times. Perhaps Norton and/or Vista has to have an
    > opportunity to "look around" and see each other when both of them are out in
    > the neighborhood. I dunno.. but anyway, the steps are at the bottom:
    >
    > Now, for those who may be like me -- the "just gotta know" type person. As I
    > was first getting it working, just for the knowledge of what ultimately
    > caused this, I went back in and removed that trusted IP configuration. And
    > boom -- no files. So, OK, that's in, I'm thinking. So I put it back in, and
    > again NO files. Yikes! And I had it working, I'm thinking. Did I REALLY have
    > to mess with this, just for the sake of knowing? (Yes, is that answer.)
    >
    > Anyway, after getting all in a knot for awhile, that's when I turned off --
    > and then later successfully turned back on -- the firewall. And it worked.
    >
    >
    > The steps:
    >
    > 1. Open Norton Protection Center
    > 2. Click on the second tab, "Norton Internet Security"
    > 3. If it's not already, open the "Settings" section by clicking the "open"
    > 4. Scroll down about halfway to the Web Browsing section, and then look for
    > the Personal Firewall section. Chances are, if the firewall is on, you click
    > the "On" link (It'll say Off, if you've disabled it), and then..
    > 5. Click on the Configure button.
    >
    > Almost there..
    > 6. Under the Personal Firewall section, third link down says Trust Control.
    > ..Click here.
    > 7. Middle tab says Trusted. ..Click there.
    > 8. Click on the button that says Add, and then type in the IP of the machine
    > that you want to network with. (In my case 192.168.0.4) and then OK. [If you
    > don't know the IP of what you're looking for, then do Control Panel/Network
    > and Sharing Center and click "View full map" to see your setup. Mouseover the
    > computer you're looking for, and it will show you its IP. (Now, if your
    > machine doesn't show up in this map, that's a whole different situation than
    > I'm talking about, and I'm not a network guy. So you'll have to figure that
    > part yourself.)]
    >
    > 9. Once you've entered in the IP -- and this is the part I don't understand
    > -- that's when I turned off the firewall, and it worked. And then turned back
    > on the firewall, and it STILL (thankfully) worked.
    >
    > So, if that alone isn't the end of the saga, as I'm typing this, working
    > through all the stuff to click, turned off the firewall and back on again,
    > and again, one more time, it didn't work. Oh joy. Fortunately, I had mapped
    > the other machine's drive to my computer, which now lists it as a "Y" drive
    > on mine, right in my windows explorer. And I was still able to access. So, at
    > least I'm functional.
    >
    > Now, by "not work" what I mean is that, in Network and Sharing Center, when
    > I clicked on View full map, it showed the computer, but I couldn't click on
    > it to see the files. Again, fortunately the previous map was still working,
    > so I was content. But all too un-understandable to me.
    >
    > So, as I had nothing to lose (hopefully,) I clicked off and on the firewall
    > again (all the windows were still open and everything worked again.
    >
    > I won't be changing it again.
    >
    >
    > I hope this helps someone. And perhaps, if it does, if I may encourage you
    > to also do a "success" post, to be able to help someone else. After this
    > post, I'm going happily off into computing land So, if this helps you,
    > perhaps YOU can post what DID work, or copy/paste this one. And perhaps we
    > can perpetuate the successful solution a bit longer.
    >
    > Best, --Don


      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  6. #5


    Don Guest

    RE: Vista and XP *DO* network -- steps I took.

    Hi Nigel,

    I'm not a network guy, but in Vista's Control Panel/Network and sharing
    Center, when you click on "View full map," can you see the computer you're
    looking for? I my case it was there, but nothing 'clickable.'

    If you can see it (like mine) try turning on firewall and turning it off a
    couple of times. Perhaps with a reboot -- although I don't think that was
    necessary for me. Still, even through the course of writing that note, it got
    screwey every time I turned firewall off and on again. I surely don't know
    the underlying programming as to why that was; but turning it off and on,
    eventually got it to work. (Do you have Nortons? Perhaps it's different with
    other firewalls.) Also, I have Windows firewall off entirely, as I feel this
    function is managed (more than) well enough by Norton. So perhaps you have
    TWO firewalls that it's trying to get through.

    If you can't see the computer in View full map, do you have sharing enabled
    on the computer you want to network? (This is Explorer, find the folder you
    want to share--I desired to share all, so I picked C: And then, I think,
    right click Sharing, and clicked both boxes for share this drive and write to
    the drive (an option that I wanted.)

    Are you trying to view the non-Vista machine from Vista? Or the other way
    around?

    Networking has always been dicey stuff; a little bit knowledge, and a lotta
    bit luck. In the few things I've tried to network, even with all the settings
    were correct, it STILL didn't work. And that was certainly the case here.

    "Nigel Lloyd" wrote:

    > I too have this problem and unfortunately this has not been able to solve it.
    > Although I know the network operates (because my Vista notebook can access
    > the internet through it), and i have entered the IP addresses of the other
    > PCs in the network into my 'trusted' list, I am still unable to see them on
    > the network (even though they can see my IP address - although not my PC's
    > name).
    > I am deeply frustrated by this, and at MicroSoft's apparent unwillingness to
    > help in solving what i suspect is a widespread problem.
    >


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  7. #6


    Don Guest

    Re: Vista and XP *DO* network -- steps I took.

    Hey Mac and Tiberius,

    Tell me why you don't like Norton. I've been a loyal fan of McAfee for
    years, but all I've every wanted was virus protection. Over the recent years,
    they loaded it up with all kinds of other stuff, but until this latest
    version, I was able to deselect it, or uninstall it. This latest (which is in
    my previous machine) was such a program hog wth no ability to configure it
    without all that junk, that I vowed to never renew it again. Come new
    machine, I went with Norton.

    You got specific reasons why you dislike it so much?

    D

    "Tiberius" wrote:

    > Norton is the worse software I have ever seen
    > Vista is the second worse
    >
    >
    > "Don" <Don@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:F4D2909E-B369-44A2-91B2-E29DFDD8A5AB@microsoft.com...
    > > Now, to begin with, the purpose of this post is to perhaps help someone
    > > who
    > > is having trouble networking a Vista machine with an XP -- and that
    > > posting
    > > my own solution may be able to help. In my case, it was Norton Firewall
    > > related -- so this may be helpful to someone with that combination (or
    > > perhaps to extrapolate some of this to other firewalls.)
    > >
    > > I could have gone happily off into computing-oblivion, but I know what
    > > pain
    > > I was in to get this thing working, and thought to come back and at least
    > > post the good news. Maybe it'll help someone. (Perhaps you can do a reply
    > > here, if it does.)
    > >
    > > To begin with, my problem was to network my new Vista laptop with my
    > > wireless router and XP desktop. And reading some of the posts here were
    > > helpful -- but ultimately I figured it out on my own. The weird (and
    > > troubling) thing to me is that as I was working all this up as I set up
    > > the
    > > machine originally, it WAS all WORKING. (Don't really know what I did..)
    > > but
    > > it was working.
    > >
    > > Alas, my new machine had a crash, and I had to re-image the disk. Now,
    > > everything was unchanged in the XP machine, but troublingly, I could no
    > > longer network. And that's when I first came here.
    > >
    > > In a nutshell, for me and my configuration (I have a Norton firewall), it
    > > was the Norton that was the problem/solution. I had already configured the
    > > XP
    > > directories to share, and I think that was about all I needed to do there.
    > > But the firewall on THIS end had to be configured. And not that it was a
    > > simple solution, as there were TWO things that needed to be done; and I
    > > had
    > > had separately fixed each of the ones without the other, and until I
    > > happened
    > > to hit on BOTH of them, it still wasn't working.
    > >
    > > So, if anyone is trying to get an XP (with McAfee) and Vista (with Norton)
    > > to connect, here were my steps: It turned out that disabling the firewall
    > > wasn't enough -- I had to also configure the other machine to be a
    > > "trusted
    > > IP." (And for that matter, trusted IP alone wasn't enough without turning
    > > off
    > > the firewall. And for that matter for that matter, both of them together
    > > were
    > > sometimes not enough -- I had to turn off and on the firewall a couple of
    > > times, ultimately.) But, for those that are interested, the story is
    > > below --
    > > but bear with me one second longer, before I post that: In the process of
    > > working through the steps as I typed them here, (oh joy) everything
    > > stopped
    > > working again. Funny, I suppose. But that's when it seemed to me that,
    > > even
    > > with the right configurations, the firewall has to be turned off and on,
    > > perhaps multiple times. Perhaps Norton and/or Vista has to have an
    > > opportunity to "look around" and see each other when both of them are out
    > > in
    > > the neighborhood. I dunno.. but anyway, the steps are at the bottom:
    > >
    > > Now, for those who may be like me -- the "just gotta know" type person. As
    > > I
    > > was first getting it working, just for the knowledge of what ultimately
    > > caused this, I went back in and removed that trusted IP configuration. And
    > > boom -- no files. So, OK, that's in, I'm thinking. So I put it back in,
    > > and
    > > again NO files. Yikes! And I had it working, I'm thinking. Did I REALLY
    > > have
    > > to mess with this, just for the sake of knowing? (Yes, is that answer.)
    > >
    > > Anyway, after getting all in a knot for awhile, that's when I turned
    > > off --
    > > and then later successfully turned back on -- the firewall. And it worked.
    > >
    > >
    > > The steps:
    > >
    > > 1. Open Norton Protection Center
    > > 2. Click on the second tab, "Norton Internet Security"
    > > 3. If it's not already, open the "Settings" section by clicking the "open"
    > > 4. Scroll down about halfway to the Web Browsing section, and then look
    > > for
    > > the Personal Firewall section. Chances are, if the firewall is on, you
    > > click
    > > the "On" link (It'll say Off, if you've disabled it), and then..
    > > 5. Click on the Configure button.
    > >
    > > Almost there..
    > > 6. Under the Personal Firewall section, third link down says Trust
    > > Control.
    > > ..Click here.
    > > 7. Middle tab says Trusted. ..Click there.
    > > 8. Click on the button that says Add, and then type in the IP of the
    > > machine
    > > that you want to network with. (In my case 192.168.0.4) and then OK. [If
    > > you
    > > don't know the IP of what you're looking for, then do Control
    > > Panel/Network
    > > and Sharing Center and click "View full map" to see your setup. Mouseover
    > > the
    > > computer you're looking for, and it will show you its IP. (Now, if your
    > > machine doesn't show up in this map, that's a whole different situation
    > > than
    > > I'm talking about, and I'm not a network guy. So you'll have to figure
    > > that
    > > part yourself.)]
    > >
    > > 9. Once you've entered in the IP -- and this is the part I don't
    > > understand
    > > -- that's when I turned off the firewall, and it worked. And then turned
    > > back
    > > on the firewall, and it STILL (thankfully) worked.
    > >
    > > So, if that alone isn't the end of the saga, as I'm typing this, working
    > > through all the stuff to click, turned off the firewall and back on again,
    > > and again, one more time, it didn't work. Oh joy. Fortunately, I had
    > > mapped
    > > the other machine's drive to my computer, which now lists it as a "Y"
    > > drive
    > > on mine, right in my windows explorer. And I was still able to access. So,
    > > at
    > > least I'm functional.
    > >
    > > Now, by "not work" what I mean is that, in Network and Sharing Center,
    > > when
    > > I clicked on View full map, it showed the computer, but I couldn't click
    > > on
    > > it to see the files. Again, fortunately the previous map was still
    > > working,
    > > so I was content. But all too un-understandable to me.
    > >
    > > So, as I had nothing to lose (hopefully,) I clicked off and on the
    > > firewall
    > > again (all the windows were still open and everything worked again.
    > >
    > > I won't be changing it again.
    > >
    > >
    > > I hope this helps someone. And perhaps, if it does, if I may encourage you
    > > to also do a "success" post, to be able to help someone else. After this
    > > post, I'm going happily off into computing land So, if this helps you,
    > > perhaps YOU can post what DID work, or copy/paste this one. And perhaps we
    > > can perpetuate the successful solution a bit longer.
    > >
    > > Best, --Don

    >
    >
    >


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  8. #7


    Don Guest

    Re: Vista and XP *DO* network -- steps I took.

    Hey Mac,

    See the note to Tiberius.

    D

    "Mac" wrote:

    > Get rid of Norton
    >
    > "Don" <Don@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:F4D2909E-B369-44A2-91B2-E29DFDD8A5AB@microsoft.com...
    > > Now, to begin with, the purpose of this post is to perhaps help someone
    > > who
    > > is having trouble networking a Vista machine with an XP -- and that
    > > posting
    > > my own solution may be able to help. In my case, it was Norton Firewall
    > > related -- so this may be helpful to someone with that combination (or
    > > perhaps to extrapolate some of this to other firewalls.)
    > >
    > > I could have gone happily off into computing-oblivion, but I know what
    > > pain
    > > I was in to get this thing working, and thought to come back and at least
    > > post the good news. Maybe it'll help someone. (Perhaps you can do a reply
    > > here, if it does.)
    > >
    > > To begin with, my problem was to network my new Vista laptop with my
    > > wireless router and XP desktop. And reading some of the posts here were
    > > helpful -- but ultimately I figured it out on my own. The weird (and
    > > troubling) thing to me is that as I was working all this up as I set up
    > > the
    > > machine originally, it WAS all WORKING. (Don't really know what I did..)
    > > but
    > > it was working.
    > >
    > > Alas, my new machine had a crash, and I had to re-image the disk. Now,
    > > everything was unchanged in the XP machine, but troublingly, I could no
    > > longer network. And that's when I first came here.
    > >
    > > In a nutshell, for me and my configuration (I have a Norton firewall), it
    > > was the Norton that was the problem/solution. I had already configured the
    > > XP
    > > directories to share, and I think that was about all I needed to do there.
    > > But the firewall on THIS end had to be configured. And not that it was a
    > > simple solution, as there were TWO things that needed to be done; and I
    > > had
    > > had separately fixed each of the ones without the other, and until I
    > > happened
    > > to hit on BOTH of them, it still wasn't working.
    > >
    > > So, if anyone is trying to get an XP (with McAfee) and Vista (with Norton)
    > > to connect, here were my steps: It turned out that disabling the firewall
    > > wasn't enough -- I had to also configure the other machine to be a
    > > "trusted
    > > IP." (And for that matter, trusted IP alone wasn't enough without turning
    > > off
    > > the firewall. And for that matter for that matter, both of them together
    > > were
    > > sometimes not enough -- I had to turn off and on the firewall a couple of
    > > times, ultimately.) But, for those that are interested, the story is
    > > below --
    > > but bear with me one second longer, before I post that: In the process of
    > > working through the steps as I typed them here, (oh joy) everything
    > > stopped
    > > working again. Funny, I suppose. But that's when it seemed to me that,
    > > even
    > > with the right configurations, the firewall has to be turned off and on,
    > > perhaps multiple times. Perhaps Norton and/or Vista has to have an
    > > opportunity to "look around" and see each other when both of them are out
    > > in
    > > the neighborhood. I dunno.. but anyway, the steps are at the bottom:
    > >
    > > Now, for those who may be like me -- the "just gotta know" type person. As
    > > I
    > > was first getting it working, just for the knowledge of what ultimately
    > > caused this, I went back in and removed that trusted IP configuration. And
    > > boom -- no files. So, OK, that's in, I'm thinking. So I put it back in,
    > > and
    > > again NO files. Yikes! And I had it working, I'm thinking. Did I REALLY
    > > have
    > > to mess with this, just for the sake of knowing? (Yes, is that answer.)
    > >
    > > Anyway, after getting all in a knot for awhile, that's when I turned
    > > off --
    > > and then later successfully turned back on -- the firewall. And it worked.
    > >
    > >
    > > The steps:
    > >
    > > 1. Open Norton Protection Center
    > > 2. Click on the second tab, "Norton Internet Security"
    > > 3. If it's not already, open the "Settings" section by clicking the "open"
    > > 4. Scroll down about halfway to the Web Browsing section, and then look
    > > for
    > > the Personal Firewall section. Chances are, if the firewall is on, you
    > > click
    > > the "On" link (It'll say Off, if you've disabled it), and then..
    > > 5. Click on the Configure button.
    > >
    > > Almost there..
    > > 6. Under the Personal Firewall section, third link down says Trust
    > > Control.
    > > ..Click here.
    > > 7. Middle tab says Trusted. ..Click there.
    > > 8. Click on the button that says Add, and then type in the IP of the
    > > machine
    > > that you want to network with. (In my case 192.168.0.4) and then OK. [If
    > > you
    > > don't know the IP of what you're looking for, then do Control
    > > Panel/Network
    > > and Sharing Center and click "View full map" to see your setup. Mouseover
    > > the
    > > computer you're looking for, and it will show you its IP. (Now, if your
    > > machine doesn't show up in this map, that's a whole different situation
    > > than
    > > I'm talking about, and I'm not a network guy. So you'll have to figure
    > > that
    > > part yourself.)]
    > >
    > > 9. Once you've entered in the IP -- and this is the part I don't
    > > understand
    > > -- that's when I turned off the firewall, and it worked. And then turned
    > > back
    > > on the firewall, and it STILL (thankfully) worked.
    > >
    > > So, if that alone isn't the end of the saga, as I'm typing this, working
    > > through all the stuff to click, turned off the firewall and back on again,
    > > and again, one more time, it didn't work. Oh joy. Fortunately, I had
    > > mapped
    > > the other machine's drive to my computer, which now lists it as a "Y"
    > > drive
    > > on mine, right in my windows explorer. And I was still able to access. So,
    > > at
    > > least I'm functional.
    > >
    > > Now, by "not work" what I mean is that, in Network and Sharing Center,
    > > when
    > > I clicked on View full map, it showed the computer, but I couldn't click
    > > on
    > > it to see the files. Again, fortunately the previous map was still
    > > working,
    > > so I was content. But all too un-understandable to me.
    > >
    > > So, as I had nothing to lose (hopefully,) I clicked off and on the
    > > firewall
    > > again (all the windows were still open and everything worked again.
    > >
    > > I won't be changing it again.
    > >
    > >
    > > I hope this helps someone. And perhaps, if it does, if I may encourage you
    > > to also do a "success" post, to be able to help someone else. After this
    > > post, I'm going happily off into computing land So, if this helps you,
    > > perhaps YOU can post what DID work, or copy/paste this one. And perhaps we
    > > can perpetuate the successful solution a bit longer.
    > >
    > > Best, --Don

    >
    >


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