Vista - Vista Business And XP Pro file and directory sharing issues

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:34:00 -0700, DonR <DonR@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>The server name is "HP_Server"
>The directory / path on the server from the work stations UNC point of veiw
>is:
> "\\hp_server\users\ron\excel\bids\bidhonolulu.xls"
>The actual directory is "c:\users\ron\excel\bids\bidhonolulu.xls"
>This is a windows xp pro p2p server.
>
>For deticated p2p servers I always set up directories for Users and Temp at
>the root of the servers primary boot drive "c:" and share these directories
>along with all their sub directories.
>
>The exact same situation happens for
>\\hp_server\temp\printerdrivers\readme.txt
>
>Everything works for the xp pro workstation. The users can create, delete,
>rename, copy, or move files or directories under the shared servers users or
>temp directories.
>
>With a vista business workstation one can create the file.
>"\\hp_server\temp\printerdrivers\readme.txt" on the server.
>If you try to rename the file to
>"\\hp_server\temp\printerdrivers\readme.old" you will get an error. If you
>try and move the file to a different directoy you will get an error.
>
>Thanks Don
>
>Thanks Don

And does the error include
"\\hp_server\user\My Doucments\folder does not exist. The file may have been
moved or deleted.", or is this another error?

Once you setup the share "\\hp_server\user" on the server, are you setting up
the folders within the share from the server itself, or from an XP Pro client?

Is Simple File Sharing enabled on all (Windows XP) computers, or just the
server? Is Password Protected Sharing turned off, or on, on the Vista
computers?

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http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

a)Your question "And does the error include".... Yes ...The path shown is
correct and changes based upon where the file actually is. The following
will show My Documents as that is a valid directory I created within the path
Ex:
\\hp_server\users\stuart\My Documents\word\2007\file.doc.
If you try to change this to file.old it will show the entire path structure
within the error message which includes the sub directory My Documents. This
has nothing to do with My Documents under Documents and settings for XP each
user. That directory structure on the server is not used and not even set up
as the only two users on the server with anything under documents and
settings would be "Administrator" and "Backup"

b) Your question "Once you set up..." Both . Initially I set up the basic
structure from the server and then the users are free to create sub
directories as the wish from the work stations.

c) Your question "Is simple file sharing enabled on all xp computers" Yes
c1) Your question "Is pasword protection turned sharing turned off, or, on
on the vista computers." ... I don't know. How do I check? I keyed in
Password Protected Sharring into an unrelated Vista Business computer and it
does not mention this feature specifically.

Thanks Don


The error will show any path that is
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Thanks for your time.


"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:34:00 -0700, DonR <DonR@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >The server name is "HP_Server"
> >The directory / path on the server from the work stations UNC point of veiw
> >is:
> > "\\hp_server\users\ron\excel\bids\bidhonolulu.xls"
> >The actual directory is "c:\users\ron\excel\bids\bidhonolulu.xls"
> >This is a windows xp pro p2p server.
> >
> >For deticated p2p servers I always set up directories for Users and Temp at
> >the root of the servers primary boot drive "c:" and share these directories
> >along with all their sub directories.
> >
> >The exact same situation happens for
> >\\hp_server\temp\printerdrivers\readme.txt
> >
> >Everything works for the xp pro workstation. The users can create, delete,
> >rename, copy, or move files or directories under the shared servers users or
> >temp directories.
> >
> >With a vista business workstation one can create the file.
> >"\\hp_server\temp\printerdrivers\readme.txt" on the server.
> >If you try to rename the file to
> >"\\hp_server\temp\printerdrivers\readme.old" you will get an error. If you
> >try and move the file to a different directoy you will get an error.
> >
> >Thanks Don
> >
> >Thanks Don
>
> And does the error include
> "\\hp_server\user\My Doucments\folder does not exist. The file may have been
> moved or deleted.", or is this another error?
>
> Once you setup the share "\\hp_server\user" on the server, are you setting up
> the folders within the share from the server itself, or from an XP Pro client?
>
> Is Simple File Sharing enabled on all (Windows XP) computers, or just the
> server? Is Password Protected Sharing turned off, or on, on the Vista
> computers?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.
>

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:42:00 -0700, DonR <DonR@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:12:08 -0700, "Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:34:00 -0700, DonR <DonR@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>The server name is "HP_Server"
>>The directory / path on the server from the work stations UNC point of veiw
>>is:
>> "\\hp_server\users\ron\excel\bids\bidhonolulu.xls"
>>The actual directory is "c:\users\ron\excel\bids\bidhonolulu.xls"
>>This is a windows xp pro p2p server.
>>
>>For deticated p2p servers I always set up directories for Users and Temp at
>>the root of the servers primary boot drive "c:" and share these directories
>>along with all their sub directories.
>>
>>The exact same situation happens for
>>\\hp_server\temp\printerdrivers\readme.txt
>>
>>Everything works for the xp pro workstation. The users can create, delete,
>>rename, copy, or move files or directories under the shared servers users or
>>temp directories.
>>
>>With a vista business workstation one can create the file.
>>"\\hp_server\temp\printerdrivers\readme.txt" on the server.
>>If you try to rename the file to
>>"\\hp_server\temp\printerdrivers\readme.old" you will get an error. If you
>>try and move the file to a different directoy you will get an error.
>>
>>Thanks Don
>>
>>Thanks Don
>
>And does the error include
>"\\hp_server\user\My Doucments\folder does not exist. The file may have been
>moved or deleted.", or is this another error?
>
>Once you setup the share "\\hp_server\user" on the server, are you setting up
>the folders within the share from the server itself, or from an XP Pro client?
>
>Is Simple File Sharing enabled on all (Windows XP) computers, or just the
>server? Is Password Protected Sharing turned off, or on, on the Vista
>computers?

>a)Your question "And does the error include".... Yes ...The path shown is
>correct and changes based upon where the file actually is. The following
>will show My Documents as that is a valid directory I created within the path
>Ex:
>\\hp_server\users\stuart\My Documents\word\2007\file.doc.
>If you try to change this to file.old it will show the entire path structure
>within the error message which includes the sub directory My Documents. This
>has nothing to do with My Documents under Documents and settings for XP each
>user. That directory structure on the server is not used and not even set up
>as the only two users on the server with anything under documents and
>settings would be "Administrator" and "Backup"
>
>b) Your question "Once you set up..." Both . Initially I set up the basic
>structure from the server and then the users are free to create sub
>directories as the wish from the work stations.
>
>c) Your question "Is simple file sharing enabled on all xp computers" Yes
>c1) Your question "Is pasword protection turned sharing turned off, or, on
>on the vista computers." ... I don't know. How do I check? I keyed in
>Password Protected Sharring into an unrelated Vista Business computer and it
>does not mention this feature specifically.
>
>Thanks Don

Don,

One of the most important settings (OK, they are all important) for Windows
Vista Networking is Password Protected Sharing. PPS On is equivalent to turning
Simple File Sharing Off (activating Advanced File Sharing) in Windows XP.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/1...-together.html

Now there is a difference between AFS and PPS, at least there is a stated
difference in the documentation. With Windows XP, you can use the Guest account
under either AFS or SFS, and with or without a password. With Vista, the
documentation states
"... The following additional file and printer sharing options must be manually
enabled: ...
Password protected sharing

When all of these sharing and discovery options are enabled, your computer can:
....
Require user names and passwords for other computers that connect to the shared
folders and printers of this computer."

With Windows XP, you need to balance the AFS/SFS settings, and the password
requirements settings, for all computers. If a computer, in its server
settings, were to require passwords, as a client, it would try to supply a
password when connecting to a server. You would have to provide an identical,
non-blank password on all non-Guest accounts on all computers. If you didn't,
you'd get "... access denied .".

This setting is in the Local Security Policy. I'll bet that it's in Vista
Business too.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Synchronise>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ml#Synchronise

I'll bet that the "Accounts: Limit local account use of blank passwords to
console logon only" (it's a confusing name) needs to be checked. In a workgroup
"authentication", all accounts are local.

And there are other LSPs too, that may be relevant. My observation has been
that the Network and Sharing Center GUI (pretty and easy to use) is simply a
front end for all of the LSPs. You'll run the LSP Editor under Windows XP (you
have one for XP Pro, though not for XP Home), and for Vista Business, and
compare the settings, and I'll bet that you find a tweak that hasn't been done
properly.

That's where I would start anyway.

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Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Chuck
I have to admit i gave up on getting a solution to this issue. Now I have
three installations with this exact problem. Win XP Pro servers with Vista
Business clients all getting the same message. You idea to try the LSP
process sounds like it has a lot of merit. I have executed Secpol.msc on
both the servers and workstations and really don't know where to start
looking. There are several sections to the Local Security Policy. Any
suggestion on where to look would be appreciated.

Mahalo
Don

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Thanks for your time.


"Chuck [MVP]" wrote: