Vista - VISTA AND XP NETWORKING... MICROSOFT HAVE MADE A MASSIVE MISTAKE!!

I cannot believe how difficult it has turned out for me to network my
original XP SP2 desktop with my new Vista Business laptop.

This issue seems ABSOLUTELY illogical, and totally unneccessary. I feel that
it is Microsofts DUTY to manufacture a comprehensive fix that allows these
two OS's to communicate.

I have been trying reccomendation after reccomendation to try and resolve
the problem but alas to no avail. HAving to wait 15 mins for the XP system to
show up in network connections? WHAT A CROCK!

It infuriates me that when developing the Vista OS that the immediate
connectivity between it and XP wasn't considered. It seems totally
incompetant. Not only that, but for me upgrading my XP system to Vista is not
an option because that system is totally stable... if it ain't broke, why the
hell fix it?!

I simply want the two OSs to communicate. You would imagine that after years
and years of networking being an integral part of using computers that the
whole process would be simple by now. This isn't bloody 1995!

We all share your pain. Maybe Vista will die a slow death and we'll live
with XP for many more years. Vista Business (I have it too) has so may
places to adjust things and I have learned the right hand program, like
Firewall, doesn't know what the left hand program, Group Policy editor, is
doing.

Maybe you can strip all but the basic TCP/IP protocols away and see if that
doesn't speed things up. I wish I had the answer because my XP and Vista
machines suffer the same afliction as yours.


"Mister Furious" <Mister Furious@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I cannot believe how difficult it has turned out for me to network my
> original XP SP2 desktop with my new Vista Business laptop.
>
> This issue seems ABSOLUTELY illogical, and totally unneccessary. I feel
> that
> it is Microsofts DUTY to manufacture a comprehensive fix that allows these
> two OS's to communicate.
>
> I have been trying reccomendation after reccomendation to try and resolve
> the problem but alas to no avail. HAving to wait 15 mins for the XP system
> to
> show up in network connections? WHAT A CROCK!
>
> It infuriates me that when developing the Vista OS that the immediate
> connectivity between it and XP wasn't considered. It seems totally
> incompetant. Not only that, but for me upgrading my XP system to Vista is
> not
> an option because that system is totally stable... if it ain't broke, why
> the
> hell fix it?!
>
> I simply want the two OSs to communicate. You would imagine that after
> years
> and years of networking being an integral part of using computers that the
> whole process would be simple by now. This isn't bloody 1995!

I'm really sorry you are having so much trouble and I don't really know why.
I have Vista Home Premium and have networked with 2 XP pro systems with no
problems
at all. I can share folders and printers. I had the network with the XP's
first and I just connected the Vista and set file shariing, shared printing,
and network discovery. I have since connected a Vista Ultimate with the same
result. I'm only responding to let you know that Vista, by itself, isn't
inherently unable to network with XP.
--
Paul


"John" wrote:

> We all share your pain. Maybe Vista will die a slow death and we'll live
> with XP for many more years. Vista Business (I have it too) has so may
> places to adjust things and I have learned the right hand program, like
> Firewall, doesn't know what the left hand program, Group Policy editor, is
> doing.
>
> Maybe you can strip all but the basic TCP/IP protocols away and see if that
> doesn't speed things up. I wish I had the answer because my XP and Vista
> machines suffer the same afliction as yours.
>
>
> "Mister Furious" <Mister Furious@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news6E6DD53-041E-4F80-BCE1-3691DD86A343@microsoft.com...
> >I cannot believe how difficult it has turned out for me to network my
> > original XP SP2 desktop with my new Vista Business laptop.
> >
> > This issue seems ABSOLUTELY illogical, and totally unneccessary. I feel
> > that
> > it is Microsofts DUTY to manufacture a comprehensive fix that allows these
> > two OS's to communicate.
> >
> > I have been trying reccomendation after reccomendation to try and resolve
> > the problem but alas to no avail. HAving to wait 15 mins for the XP system
> > to
> > show up in network connections? WHAT A CROCK!
> >
> > It infuriates me that when developing the Vista OS that the immediate
> > connectivity between it and XP wasn't considered. It seems totally
> > incompetant. Not only that, but for me upgrading my XP system to Vista is
> > not
> > an option because that system is totally stable... if it ain't broke, why
> > the
> > hell fix it?!
> >
> > I simply want the two OSs to communicate. You would imagine that after
> > years
> > and years of networking being an integral part of using computers that the
> > whole process would be simple by now. This isn't bloody 1995!
>
>
>

i still didnt get the networking between my vista and my other 2 xps to work, no matter what i do i can not see either pc on vista networking or vice versa, even disabled firewalls and all but nothing shows. maybe someone has found new tricks?

PaulB wrote:
> I'm really sorry you are having so much trouble and I don't really know why.
> I have Vista Home Premium and have networked with 2 XP pro systems with no
> problems
> at all. I can share folders and printers. I had the network with the XP's
> first and I just connected the Vista and set file shariing, shared printing,
> and network discovery. I have since connected a Vista Ultimate with the same
> result. I'm only responding to let you know that Vista, by itself, isn't
> inherently unable to network with XP.

<aol> me too </aol>

I have no problems with Ultimate at home connecting to 2x Win XP and a
Win server going through a router or Business at work connecting to all
manner of machines remotely going through Bluecoat firewall.

At home I share the printer on the Vista box and the other 3 PCs can see
and use it. All shares across all the 3 PCs are accessible from all
boxes and apart from RDP to the server being slow I have no networking
problems.

The only thing I can't get working again since re-imaging is the network
map on the Vista client.

"PaulB" <PaulB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1DE663E1-726F-45F0-A469-FE4560AFCD17@microsoft.com...
> I'm really sorry you are having so much trouble and I don't really know
> why.
> I have Vista Home Premium and have networked with 2 XP pro systems with no
> problems
> at all. I can share folders and printers. I had the network with the XP's
> first and I just connected the Vista and set file shariing, shared
> printing,
> and network discovery. I have since connected a Vista Ultimate with the
> same
> result. I'm only responding to let you know that Vista, by itself, isn't
> inherently unable to network with XP.
> --
> Paul

Paul..........

Great for you! It's not that I don't believe you, it's just
that................

Most of us with XP/Vista networks have done exactly as you, then more, then
resorted to MVP advice, and on and on. Nada. My network works fine, if I
use only Vista's Public Folder! Printer sharing is fine and Vista to XP
works. But XP to Vista for file sharing: No Way.

I'm sure it was easy for you to just hook up your Vista system and do the
little things you stated above, and it worked. Sure, Paul.

EW

I have a new Vista Home Premium laptop that can see my tower's XP SP2
machine just fine. Prints to the printers connected to that machine just
fine.

But... I can't get the XP machine to see the Vista machine. On the Vista
machine Discovery is on, sharing is on. Workgroup name is the same. Any
ideas?


"PaulB" <PaulB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1DE663E1-726F-45F0-A469-FE4560AFCD17@microsoft.com...
> I'm really sorry you are having so much trouble and I don't really know
> why.


> I have Vista Home Premium and have networked with 2 XP pro systems with no
> problems
> at all. I can share folders and printers. I had the network with the XP's
> first and I just connected the Vista and set file shariing, shared
> printing,
> and network discovery. I have since connected a Vista Ultimate with the
> same
> result. I'm only responding to let you know that Vista, by itself, isn't
> inherently unable to network with XP.
> --
> Paul
>
>
> "John" wrote:
>
>> We all share your pain. Maybe Vista will die a slow death and we'll live
>> with XP for many more years. Vista Business (I have it too) has so may
>> places to adjust things and I have learned the right hand program, like
>> Firewall, doesn't know what the left hand program, Group Policy editor,
>> is
>> doing.
>>
>> Maybe you can strip all but the basic TCP/IP protocols away and see if
>> that
>> doesn't speed things up. I wish I had the answer because my XP and Vista
>> machines suffer the same afliction as yours.
>>
>>
>> "Mister Furious" <Mister Furious@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news6E6DD53-041E-4F80-BCE1-3691DD86A343@microsoft.com...
>> >I cannot believe how difficult it has turned out for me to network my
>> > original XP SP2 desktop with my new Vista Business laptop.
>> >
>> > This issue seems ABSOLUTELY illogical, and totally unneccessary. I feel
>> > that
>> > it is Microsofts DUTY to manufacture a comprehensive fix that allows
>> > these
>> > two OS's to communicate.
>> >
>> > I have been trying reccomendation after reccomendation to try and
>> > resolve
>> > the problem but alas to no avail. HAving to wait 15 mins for the XP
>> > system
>> > to
>> > show up in network connections? WHAT A CROCK!
>> >
>> > It infuriates me that when developing the Vista OS that the immediate
>> > connectivity between it and XP wasn't considered. It seems totally
>> > incompetant. Not only that, but for me upgrading my XP system to Vista
>> > is
>> > not
>> > an option because that system is totally stable... if it ain't broke,
>> > why
>> > the
>> > hell fix it?!
>> >
>> > I simply want the two OSs to communicate. You would imagine that after
>> > years
>> > and years of networking being an integral part of using computers that
>> > the
>> > whole process would be simple by now. This isn't bloody 1995!
>>
>>
>>

My XP/Vista Network works perfectly!

"Mister Furious" wrote:

> I cannot believe how difficult it has turned out for me to network my
> original XP SP2 desktop with my new Vista Business laptop.
>
> This issue seems ABSOLUTELY illogical, and totally unneccessary. I feel that
> it is Microsofts DUTY to manufacture a comprehensive fix that allows these
> two OS's to communicate.
>
> I have been trying reccomendation after reccomendation to try and resolve
> the problem but alas to no avail. HAving to wait 15 mins for the XP system to
> show up in network connections? WHAT A CROCK!
>
> It infuriates me that when developing the Vista OS that the immediate
> connectivity between it and XP wasn't considered. It seems totally
> incompetant. Not only that, but for me upgrading my XP system to Vista is not
> an option because that system is totally stable... if it ain't broke, why the
> hell fix it?!
>
> I simply want the two OSs to communicate. You would imagine that after years
> and years of networking being an integral part of using computers that the
> whole process would be simple by now. This isn't bloody 1995!

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:40:22 -0700, "IsisTheCat"
<isisthecat47removeme@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"PaulB" <PaulB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:1DE663E1-726F-45F0-A469-FE4560AFCD17@microsoft.com...

>> "John" wrote:
>>
>>> We all share your pain. Maybe Vista will die a slow death and we'll live
>>> with XP for many more years. Vista Business (I have it too) has so may
>>> places to adjust things and I have learned the right hand program, like
>>> Firewall, doesn't know what the left hand program, Group Policy editor,
>>> is
>>> doing.
>>>
>>> Maybe you can strip all but the basic TCP/IP protocols away and see if
>>> that
>>> doesn't speed things up. I wish I had the answer because my XP and Vista
>>> machines suffer the same afliction as yours.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mister Furious" <Mister Furious@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news6E6DD53-041E-4F80-BCE1-3691DD86A343@microsoft.com...
>>> >I cannot believe how difficult it has turned out for me to network my
>>> > original XP SP2 desktop with my new Vista Business laptop.
>>> >
>>> > This issue seems ABSOLUTELY illogical, and totally unneccessary. I feel
>>> > that
>>> > it is Microsofts DUTY to manufacture a comprehensive fix that allows
>>> > these
>>> > two OS's to communicate.
>>> >
>>> > I have been trying reccomendation after reccomendation to try and
>>> > resolve
>>> > the problem but alas to no avail. HAving to wait 15 mins for the XP
>>> > system
>>> > to
>>> > show up in network connections? WHAT A CROCK!
>>> >
>>> > It infuriates me that when developing the Vista OS that the immediate
>>> > connectivity between it and XP wasn't considered. It seems totally
>>> > incompetant. Not only that, but for me upgrading my XP system to Vista
>>> > is
>>> > not
>>> > an option because that system is totally stable... if it ain't broke,
>>> > why
>>> > the
>>> > hell fix it?!
>>> >
>>> > I simply want the two OSs to communicate. You would imagine that after
>>> > years
>>> > and years of networking being an integral part of using computers that
>>> > the
>>> > whole process would be simple by now. This isn't bloody 1995!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>> I'm really sorry you are having so much trouble and I don't really know
>> why.
>
>
>> I have Vista Home Premium and have networked with 2 XP pro systems with no
>> problems
>> at all. I can share folders and printers. I had the network with the XP's
>> first and I just connected the Vista and set file shariing, shared
>> printing,
>> and network discovery. I have since connected a Vista Ultimate with the
>> same
>> result. I'm only responding to let you know that Vista, by itself, isn't
>> inherently unable to network with XP.

>I have a new Vista Home Premium laptop that can see my tower's XP SP2
>machine just fine. Prints to the printers connected to that machine just
>fine.
>
>But... I can't get the XP machine to see the Vista machine. On the Vista
>machine Discovery is on, sharing is on. Workgroup name is the same. Any
>ideas?

Diagnostics are a good place to start. Look at logs from "browstat status",
"ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions
precisely (download browstat!):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

I'll second that, and also everything that Mr Furious said.

We have had nothing but illogical infuriating inexplicable experiences
trying to network my Vista Home Premium laptop with my wife's Vista Business
desktop and the kids' XP desktop via a crossover cable and hub. Every
conceivable combination of computers not being able to see other computers
and/or access the internet has happened. Then when you finally get it
working right, one of the Vista computers downloads one of these
interminable "updates" that are filling our HDs every day and it does
something to upset the balance again! What a load of manure Vista networking
is! Why should I spend hundreds of dollars on a sophisticated high level OS
and still have to have such a high level of technical understanding to make
it do what it should do in the first place, just simply WORK!

"LoneStar" <ewyatt_del_me@excite.com> wrote in message
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>
> "PaulB" <PaulB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1DE663E1-726F-45F0-A469-FE4560AFCD17@microsoft.com...
>> I'm really sorry you are having so much trouble and I don't really know
>> why.
>> I have Vista Home Premium and have networked with 2 XP pro systems with
>> no
>> problems
>> at all. I can share folders and printers. I had the network with the XP's
>> first and I just connected the Vista and set file shariing, shared
>> printing,
>> and network discovery. I have since connected a Vista Ultimate with the
>> same
>> result. I'm only responding to let you know that Vista, by itself, isn't
>> inherently unable to network with XP.
>> --
>> Paul
>
> Paul..........
>
> Great for you! It's not that I don't believe you, it's just
> that................
>
> Most of us with XP/Vista networks have done exactly as you, then more,
> then resorted to MVP advice, and on and on. Nada. My network works fine,
> if I use only Vista's Public Folder! Printer sharing is fine and Vista to
> XP works. But XP to Vista for file sharing: No Way.
>
> I'm sure it was easy for you to just hook up your Vista system and do the
> little things you stated above, and it worked. Sure, Paul.
>
> EW
>
>