Vista - 64-bit: More than just the RAM

**rasmasyean** · 07-07-2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Chris2005

I hear they plan to do away with 32bit after Windows 7.

Well, even as it stands now. 32-bit Vista is really a "compatability version" of Vista that was meant for those people who needed to use old stuff that doesn't work or won't get upgrades. 64-bit does have a 32-bit emulator built-in but it's not 100%. And 32-bit has a 16-bit emulator. That's not perfect either but practically all 16-bit software that doesn't work on 32-bit has been long history. It will take a while before all 32-bit software is history too, but by that time, if you really really need to run it, you can use a virtual machine that will only take like 2% of a modern machine.

**TheShadow** · 07-07-2009

I feel certain that some of you who contribute to this forum are not old enough to remember the transition from 8 bit computing to 16 bit. Just a few short years later again the jump from 16 bit to 32 bit and now we're going through the pains of yet another transition from 32 to 64 bit. I have no doubt that someday, those of us who live long enough will see 128 bit processors in home computers.

It costs the hardware manufacturers a lot of money to develop a new processor and then continue to make the older processor that's being phased out.

Likewise the Software writers, wanting to be on the cutting edge but still trying to fill the demand of the older processor users.

When I decided to test Vista, I built myself a new PC with a 64 bit dual core CPU.
In testing Vista and now Windows 7, I've used nothing but the 64 bit Ultimate versions of those OS's. To do otherwise would be a great waste of my time and effort.
Both Vista 64 and Win-7 64 run great on 4 to 6 gig's of Dual Channel Ram.
Installing any more, to me, would be a great waste of money.

Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear?

The Shadow

**rasmasyean** · 07-07-2009

And don’t forget the hold-outs. You will still find some threads around with ppl saying that 64-bit is a waste because it’s not practical and over-kill for blah blah blah. They are slowly diminishing as average laptops in Best Buy are 64-bit now too, but you still have the naysayers and people who “justify” not upgrading.

I still remember my first 486DX 50 MHz purchase. The PC Builder at that time said “You don’t need to spend the extra money for the Pentium. That’s like a mainframe and you’ll never need it.” Well Pentiums DID cost a lot more at that time, but of course paying $2,300 for just a 486 in early 90’s USD was like an automobile purchase decision.

I think with Windows 7 and the multi-touch trend, you will have a lot of higher power requirements to process all those multiple input gestures operating on multiple objects simultaneously and stuff like that…on top of all the extra bloat…I mean features…that large software packages will add.

**luckystar** · 07-07-2009

Quote: Originally Posted by unreal

i'm using vista ultimate x64 but i have some friends that use xp x32 and they have 4gb RAM dual processors and i've tried to tell them that's not good but they just keep useing the xp...

To be honest, if it were'nt for win 7 being released on RC terms, i would have gone back to xp pro x86, co's to be honest it was a lot better, in stability terms and compatibility terms, than vista.

But now, since upgrading from 768mb (in my old dell) to 8gb (in my current first build), i only use xp for torrents and just generally messing about. Where as, since 7 came along - bye bye vista ultimate 64 (£162 down the pigging drain) and hello se7en (bring on october 22nd for the rtm release)!!!!

07-07-2009

I still use a Pentium 4 w/ HT, which has both the 32-bit and 64-bit architectures.

WildMan · 07-08-2009

Hello everyone,

I've got a new laptop coming a HP Pavilion dv7-1273cl with 4 gig's of memory and Vista Home Premium 64. I got this one new at a price that makes me want to take out the old asbestos gloves (it's really not hot). I've heard of so many different opinions from so many that I wonder if there is a list of software that will/willnot run on the operating system. Also in doing some research on the new system I have found that one program will not run that I need to work from home unless I use ReadyDriverPlus to disable the coding digital signature check feature. Can someone tell me what this amounts too? When they are talking about the digital signature check feature are they talking about in Xp amounts to "this driver is not M$ certified and it has a continue anyway button" or is it something more serious than that?

Thanks in advance for any info.

07-09-2009

"Supposedly" 32bit apps are compatible in a 64bit OS, but I don't really use 64bit, so I am not sure how to help you on that issue.

**shor** · 08-05-2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Chappy

Quote: Originally Posted by rhlblue

there's not doubt that x64 is better than x32

Hi

Just so some "Nit-Picker" doesn't call you out on this someday, we need to get your terminology straight. There is no such thing as x32, the 32bit instructions are known as x86 and 64 bit is x64. When talking "bits" then it's 32bit and 64bit, but when you put an "x" in front, you're now talking architecture instructions and that's x86 and x64.
I know you're just using it in a contextual form (x32) but in places like this there's always someone who'll jump on you for that little gaff (not me tho!!) just an FYI..

@Shawn - Great article buddy!
While I do know the differences between 32bit and 64bit other than the RAM benefits, that article put things in a far better way than I can describe them to users, so it's now my Bookmarked page to send users too, to learn a little more than just the basic differences.
I was fortunate I guess, when in 1972 I was able to use one of those MONSTER IBM 64bit machines...darn thing was bigger then the 4x4 truck I own now and ran on punch card technology. Super cool tho, I wrote a program that required some 24,000 cards to perform and it made a 6' x 32" poster of a girl in a bikini by using lots of "x, !, %, <, >..." and so on....LOL!!
What can I say, I was 16 at the time and not much else was going thru my adolescent brain.
At the time that computer was the only one around for about 500 miles and we got to play with it for a week for our High School Computer class, which was in it's first year BTW. Other than that we simply made little "Plug boards" at school that when you hooked up the wires in different plugs you could make different lights go on/off..etc.
That was our Computer Class back then...just a tad different today.

Chubby I did the same with punch cards around the same time except I did mine on a Gigantic Multix system and at that time the largest Computer on any American Campus. We took turns every other year with MIT..COBOL, FORTRAN, PL1, Assembly..etc....all ancient stuff.....

**roy69** · 08-06-2009

I started on a honeywell machine. Not as bad as puched card or tape but was still a large machine.
The first program I made was of a skier going down a slope.
You had to avoide the "H" symbol. How graphics have improved

.

**shor** · 08-06-2009

I did a similar thing with a COBAL program. A the end of the program I had it write "this program deserves a big A+" and the "A" was huge. I remember it vividly because I had this gorgous blonde teacher and I always sat on the front row. She came in the morning winked at me and showed my program to the class. Gosh she was gorgerous and naturally I never cut that class.

I picked up a book C++ By Example, read a few chapters and learned that it really has not changed that much. Still have to assign variables with values etc. If I really had a need I could do what I need to in C++ but doubt I will ever find a real need other than just the challenge of writing a program to write it in C++.

Ok enough of that we need to move on to tech support here..

Shor

07-07-2009	#171 (permalink)
rasmasyean Vista Ultimate x64 210 posts	Re: 64-bit: More than just the RAM Quote: Originally Posted by Chris2005 I hear they plan to do away with 32bit after Windows 7. Well, even as it stands now. 32-bit Vista is really a "compatability version" of Vista that was meant for those people who needed to use old stuff that doesn't work or won't get upgrades. 64-bit does have a 32-bit emulator built-in but it's not 100%. And 32-bit has a 16-bit emulator. That's not perfect either but practically all 16-bit software that doesn't work on 32-bit has been long history. It will take a while before all 32-bit software is history too, but by that time, if you really really need to run it, you can use a virtual machine that will only take like 2% of a modern machine.
My System Specs

07-07-2009	#172 (permalink)
TheShadow XP-Pro-SP3-32bit, Vista Ultimate-64bit 109 posts	Re: 64-bit: More than just the RAM I feel certain that some of you who contribute to this forum are not old enough to remember the transition from 8 bit computing to 16 bit. Just a few short years later again the jump from 16 bit to 32 bit and now we're going through the pains of yet another transition from 32 to 64 bit. I have no doubt that someday, those of us who live long enough will see 128 bit processors in home computers. It costs the hardware manufacturers a lot of money to develop a new processor and then continue to make the older processor that's being phased out. Likewise the Software writers, wanting to be on the cutting edge but still trying to fill the demand of the older processor users. When I decided to test Vista, I built myself a new PC with a 64 bit dual core CPU. In testing Vista and now Windows 7, I've used nothing but the 64 bit Ultimate versions of those OS's. To do otherwise would be a great waste of my time and effort. Both Vista 64 and Win-7 64 run great on 4 to 6 gig's of Dual Channel Ram. Installing any more, to me, would be a great waste of money. Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear? The Shadow
My System Specs

07-07-2009	#173 (permalink)
rasmasyean Vista Ultimate x64 210 posts	Re: 64-bit: More than just the RAM And don’t forget the hold-outs. You will still find some threads around with ppl saying that 64-bit is a waste because it’s not practical and over-kill for blah blah blah. They are slowly diminishing as average laptops in Best Buy are 64-bit now too, but you still have the naysayers and people who “justify” not upgrading. I still remember my first 486DX 50 MHz purchase. The PC Builder at that time said “You don’t need to spend the extra money for the Pentium. That’s like a mainframe and you’ll never need it.” Well Pentiums DID cost a lot more at that time, but of course paying $2,300 for just a 486 in early 90’s USD was like an automobile purchase decision. I think with Windows 7 and the multi-touch trend, you will have a lot of higher power requirements to process all those multiple input gestures operating on multiple objects simultaneously and stuff like that…on top of all the extra bloat…I mean features…that large software packages will add.
My System Specs

07-07-2009	#174 (permalink)
luckystar Windows Vista Ultimate x64 Build 6001 and Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RC Build 7100 33 posts	Re: 64-bit: More than just the RAM Quote: Originally Posted by unreal i'm using vista ultimate x64 but i have some friends that use xp x32 and they have 4gb RAM dual processors and i've tried to tell them that's not good but they just keep useing the xp... To be honest, if it were'nt for win 7 being released on RC terms, i would have gone back to xp pro x86, co's to be honest it was a lot better, in stability terms and compatibility terms, than vista. But now, since upgrading from 768mb (in my old dell) to 8gb (in my current first build), i only use xp for torrents and just generally messing about. Where as, since 7 came along - bye bye vista ultimate 64 (£162 down the pigging drain) and hello se7en (bring on october 22nd for the rtm release)!!!!
My System Specs

07-07-2009	#175 (permalink)
Chris2005 n/a posts	Re: 64-bit: More than just the RAM I still use a Pentium 4 w/ HT, which has both the 32-bit and 64-bit architectures.
My System Specs

07-08-2009	#176 (permalink)
WildMan Home Premium 64 bit 3 posts	Re: 64-bit: More than just the RAM Hello everyone, I've got a new laptop coming a HP Pavilion dv7-1273cl with 4 gig's of memory and Vista Home Premium 64. I got this one new at a price that makes me want to take out the old asbestos gloves (it's really not hot). I've heard of so many different opinions from so many that I wonder if there is a list of software that will/willnot run on the operating system. Also in doing some research on the new system I have found that one program will not run that I need to work from home unless I use ReadyDriverPlus to disable the coding digital signature check feature. Can someone tell me what this amounts too? When they are talking about the digital signature check feature are they talking about in Xp amounts to "this driver is not M$ certified and it has a continue anyway button" or is it something more serious than that? Thanks in advance for any info.
My System Specs

07-09-2009	#177 (permalink)
Chris2005 n/a posts	Re: 64-bit: More than just the RAM "Supposedly" 32bit apps are compatible in a 64bit OS, but I don't really use 64bit, so I am not sure how to help you on that issue.
My System Specs

08-05-2009	#178 (permalink)
shor Vista Ultimate x64 16 posts	Re: 64-bit: More than just the RAM Quote: Originally Posted by Chappy Quote: Originally Posted by rhlblue there's not doubt that x64 is better than x32 Hi Just so some "Nit-Picker" doesn't call you out on this someday, we need to get your terminology straight. There is no such thing as x32, the 32bit instructions are known as x86 and 64 bit is x64. When talking "bits" then it's 32bit and 64bit, but when you put an "x" in front, you're now talking architecture instructions and that's x86 and x64. I know you're just using it in a contextual form (x32) but in places like this there's always someone who'll jump on you for that little gaff (not me tho!!) just an FYI.. @Shawn - Great article buddy! While I do know the differences between 32bit and 64bit other than the RAM benefits, that article put things in a far better way than I can describe them to users, so it's now my Bookmarked page to send users too, to learn a little more than just the basic differences. I was fortunate I guess, when in 1972 I was able to use one of those MONSTER IBM 64bit machines...darn thing was bigger then the 4x4 truck I own now and ran on punch card technology. Super cool tho, I wrote a program that required some 24,000 cards to perform and it made a 6' x 32" poster of a girl in a bikini by using lots of "x, !, %, <, >..." and so on....LOL!! What can I say, I was 16 at the time and not much else was going thru my adolescent brain. At the time that computer was the only one around for about 500 miles and we got to play with it for a week for our High School Computer class, which was in it's first year BTW. Other than that we simply made little "Plug boards" at school that when you hooked up the wires in different plugs you could make different lights go on/off..etc. That was our Computer Class back then...just a tad different today. Chubby I did the same with punch cards around the same time except I did mine on a Gigantic Multix system and at that time the largest Computer on any American Campus. We took turns every other year with MIT..COBOL, FORTRAN, PL1, Assembly..etc....all ancient stuff.....
My System Specs

08-06-2009	#179 (permalink)
roy69 Vista home premium 64 bit 2,108 posts	Re: 64-bit: More than just the RAM I started on a honeywell machine. Not as bad as puched card or tape but was still a large machine. The first program I made was of a skier going down a slope. You had to avoide the "H" symbol. How graphics have improved.
My System Specs

08-06-2009	#180 (permalink)
shor Vista Ultimate x64 16 posts	Re: 64-bit: More than just the RAM I did a similar thing with a COBAL program. A the end of the program I had it write "this program deserves a big A+" and the "A" was huge. I remember it vividly because I had this gorgous blonde teacher and I always sat on the front row. She came in the morning winked at me and showed my program to the class. Gosh she was gorgerous and naturally I never cut that class. I picked up a book C++ By Example, read a few chapters and learned that it really has not changed that much. Still have to assign variables with values etc. If I really had a need I could do what I need to in C++ but doubt I will ever find a real need other than just the challenge of writing a program to write it in C++. Ok enough of that we need to move on to tech support here.. Shor
My System Specs