Vista - Re: Right click stops working/New tabs stop working/Menu bar disappear

11-19-2007

(cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint)
"zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium
>
> Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and then
> five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open.

Quote:

> At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring computer-wide
> only after originating from problems with ie7.

Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe task(s).
E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect)
or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be
caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects
gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can find
further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in quotes)
using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using.

E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter:

http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us

and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; )

BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads
were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring
to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have
added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can
get Vista-specific responses.

HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---

Quote:

>
> At this "certain point", the following happens:
> #1: I can no longer right click within ie7. And once it starts there, I can
> no longer right click anywhere anywhere (desktop, etc).
>
> #2: I'll click on a new tab and it just won't happen. It tries to, I can
> see a quick shadow of the attempt (sometimes) but it just won't happen. Even
> if I choose new tab from the file menu - nope, ain't gonna happen. New window
> attempt also doesn't happen.
>
> #3: Not always initially, but the ie7 menu bar disappears. Oh, it shows
> it's still clicked on to show but nothing shows. And, at times, the menu bar
> still shows but won't let me click on it. Again, this only happens after new
> tab/right click stops working.
>
> #4: Maybe a non-issue? But many times just clicking a link takes 2 or more
> clicks to "make it happen" // to "speed up the connection" -- otherwise it
> sits in la la land again just thinking away (attempting to connect). I've a
> fast connection, so I know it's not on my end and usually (after the 2+
> clicks) not to be on the hosting end either. My old computer never cried at
> me like this either.
>
> Closing ie and then reopening it doesn't help either.... it's still stuck in
> la la land. As is the rest of my computer. Many times, once the right click
> goes in ie, I can't access task manager --- so I'm stuck with a hard
> shutdown. And I hate hard shutdowns, as does the computer too.
>
> I've begun to "delicately" surf, careful to bkmrk pgs or open just a very
> few tabs/windows - but it seems as though maybe it's the amount of time I
> spend in ie7 perhaps, because I'll start to experience the same issues at
> some point or another still. I've seen only a few posts (no official MS
> support posts however) regarding the same problem(s) and have yet to see any
> answer or applicable answer to my situation.
>
> I'm on a 3 day old new laptop running Vista Home Premium. No new software
> installed by me (only factory Dell). No malicious anything onboard (scanned,
> etc). I initially rec'd a defective laptop first from Dell and it too
> experienced the same problems until I reformatted the drive and did a basic
> dwnload and install of ie7 just to get thru until the replacement laptop
> arrived. All flew along smoothly in that instance. And now, sadly, here I am
> with new laptop #2 and have the same ie7 issues that I originally had. I've
> kept the computer clean and am at my wits end as to what's up.
>
> One last thought, I know technology advances but you'd think it would in a
> good way...... in Win98, IE5 (i think, comp died don't remember) - I could
> open windows until the cows came home.... never an issue, and allowed me to
> happily surf/research away. So, there must be something up eh?
>
> Can anyone help? Suggest anything? I'd be mighty thankful to someone out
> there who has the answer(s).
> Basic Comp Specs:
> 2.0 gHz Intel processor, 4GB RAM (more than enough uumphh one would think)
>
> PS: I'm 15+ years computer-intelligent, so I hope it ain't just me. I do
> know that I'm not alone as I mentioned the few prior posts I've seen. I would
> be curious as to if it's a DELL thing (something they install) but no prior
> post mentioned if they were on a DELL computer.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help/thoughts/replies....
> - zookeeperX

**Brink** · 11-19-2007

Quote: Originally Posted by Robert Aldwinckle

(cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint)
"zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx

Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe task(s).
E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect)
or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be
caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects
gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can find
further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in quotes)
using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using.

E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter:

Search Results: "GDI Objects"

and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; )

BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads
were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring
to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have
added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can
get Vista-specific responses.

HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---
>
> At this "certain point", the following happens:
> #1: I can no longer right click within ie7. And once it starts there, I can
> no longer right click anywhere anywhere (desktop, etc).
>
> #2: I'll click on a new tab and it just won't happen. It tries to, I can
> see a quick shadow of the attempt (sometimes) but it just won't happen. Even
> if I choose new tab from the file menu - nope, ain't gonna happen. New window
> attempt also doesn't happen.
>
> #3: Not always initially, but the ie7 menu bar disappears. Oh, it shows
> it's still clicked on to show but nothing shows. And, at times, the menu bar
> still shows but won't let me click on it. Again, this only happens after new
> tab/right click stops working.
>
> #4: Maybe a non-issue? But many times just clicking a link takes 2 or more
> clicks to "make it happen" // to "speed up the connection" -- otherwise it
> sits in la la land again just thinking away (attempting to connect). I've a
> fast connection, so I know it's not on my end and usually (after the 2+
> clicks) not to be on the hosting end either. My old computer never cried at
> me like this either.
>
> Closing ie and then reopening it doesn't help either.... it's still stuck in
> la la land. As is the rest of my computer. Many times, once the right click
> goes in ie, I can't access task manager --- so I'm stuck with a hard
> shutdown. And I hate hard shutdowns, as does the computer too.
>
> I've begun to "delicately" surf, careful to bkmrk pgs or open just a very
> few tabs/windows - but it seems as though maybe it's the amount of time I
> spend in ie7 perhaps, because I'll start to experience the same issues at
> some point or another still. I've seen only a few posts (no official MS
> support posts however) regarding the same problem(s) and have yet to see any
> answer or applicable answer to my situation.
>
> I'm on a 3 day old new laptop running Vista Home Premium. No new software
> installed by me (only factory Dell). No malicious anything onboard (scanned,
> etc). I initially rec'd a defective laptop first from Dell and it too
> experienced the same problems until I reformatted the drive and did a basic
> dwnload and install of ie7 just to get thru until the replacement laptop
> arrived. All flew along smoothly in that instance. And now, sadly, here I am
> with new laptop #2 and have the same ie7 issues that I originally had. I've
> kept the computer clean and am at my wits end as to what's up.
>
> One last thought, I know technology advances but you'd think it would in a
> good way...... in Win98, IE5 (i think, comp died don't remember) - I could
> open windows until the cows came home.... never an issue, and allowed me to
> happily surf/research away. So, there must be something up eh?
>
> Can anyone help? Suggest anything? I'd be mighty thankful to someone out
> there who has the answer(s).
> Basic Comp Specs:
> 2.0 gHz Intel processor, 4GB RAM (more than enough uumphh one would think)
>
> PS: I'm 15+ years computer-intelligent, so I hope it ain't just me. I do
> know that I'm not alone as I mentioned the few prior posts I've seen. I would
> be curious as to if it's a DELL thing (something they install) but no prior
> post mentioned if they were on a DELL computer.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help/thoughts/replies....
> - zookeeperX

Hi ZookeeperX,

You might check this to see if it is related to your problem.

Right-click is slow or weird behavior caused by context menu handlers

and

You can use this tool to check with the above link.
ShellExView - Shell Extension Manager For Windows

Shawn

11-19-2007

I have encountered the same problems. At least for now I have found the
simplest solution to be to "log off" and then immediately log back on. That
seems to clear the buffers or whatever and it only takes a few seconds.

"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23$s4UXsKIHA.3916@xxxxxx

Quote:

> (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint)
> "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium
>>
>> Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and then
>> five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open.

>

Quote:

>> At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring
>> computer-wide
>> only after originating from problems with ie7.

>
>
> Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe
> task(s).
> E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect)
> or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be
> caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects
> gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can
> find
> further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in
> quotes)
> using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using.
>
> E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us
>
> and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; )
>
> BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads
> were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring
> to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have
> added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can
> get Vista-specific responses.
>
>
> HTH
>
> Robert Aldwinckle
> ---
>
>

Quote:

>>
>> At this "certain point", the following happens:
>> #1: I can no longer right click within ie7. And once it starts there, I
>> can
>> no longer right click anywhere anywhere (desktop, etc).
>>
>> #2: I'll click on a new tab and it just won't happen. It tries to, I can
>> see a quick shadow of the attempt (sometimes) but it just won't happen.
>> Even
>> if I choose new tab from the file menu - nope, ain't gonna happen. New
>> window
>> attempt also doesn't happen.
>>
>> #3: Not always initially, but the ie7 menu bar disappears. Oh, it shows
>> it's still clicked on to show but nothing shows. And, at times, the menu
>> bar
>> still shows but won't let me click on it. Again, this only happens after
>> new
>> tab/right click stops working.
>>
>> #4: Maybe a non-issue? But many times just clicking a link takes 2 or
>> more
>> clicks to "make it happen" // to "speed up the connection" -- otherwise
>> it
>> sits in la la land again just thinking away (attempting to connect). I've
>> a
>> fast connection, so I know it's not on my end and usually (after the 2+
>> clicks) not to be on the hosting end either. My old computer never cried
>> at
>> me like this either.
>>
>> Closing ie and then reopening it doesn't help either.... it's still stuck
>> in
>> la la land. As is the rest of my computer. Many times, once the right
>> click
>> goes in ie, I can't access task manager --- so I'm stuck with a hard
>> shutdown. And I hate hard shutdowns, as does the computer too.
>>
>> I've begun to "delicately" surf, careful to bkmrk pgs or open just a very
>> few tabs/windows - but it seems as though maybe it's the amount of time I
>> spend in ie7 perhaps, because I'll start to experience the same issues at
>> some point or another still. I've seen only a few posts (no official MS
>> support posts however) regarding the same problem(s) and have yet to see
>> any
>> answer or applicable answer to my situation.
>>
>> I'm on a 3 day old new laptop running Vista Home Premium. No new software
>> installed by me (only factory Dell). No malicious anything onboard
>> (scanned,
>> etc). I initially rec'd a defective laptop first from Dell and it too
>> experienced the same problems until I reformatted the drive and did a
>> basic
>> dwnload and install of ie7 just to get thru until the replacement laptop
>> arrived. All flew along smoothly in that instance. And now, sadly, here I
>> am
>> with new laptop #2 and have the same ie7 issues that I originally had.
>> I've
>> kept the computer clean and am at my wits end as to what's up.
>>
>> One last thought, I know technology advances but you'd think it would in
>> a
>> good way...... in Win98, IE5 (i think, comp died don't remember) - I
>> could
>> open windows until the cows came home.... never an issue, and allowed me
>> to
>> happily surf/research away. So, there must be something up eh?
>>
>> Can anyone help? Suggest anything? I'd be mighty thankful to someone out
>> there who has the answer(s).
>> Basic Comp Specs:
>> 2.0 gHz Intel processor, 4GB RAM (more than enough uumphh one would
>> think)
>>
>> PS: I'm 15+ years computer-intelligent, so I hope it ain't just me. I do
>> know that I'm not alone as I mentioned the few prior posts I've seen. I
>> would
>> be curious as to if it's a DELL thing (something they install) but no
>> prior
>> post mentioned if they were on a DELL computer.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help/thoughts/replies....
>> - zookeeperX

>
>

11-19-2007

Wow.... God spoke!
I hope.
God, I really hope.
I will have to get back to you (this post) after a bit of playing around and
following your instructions to the "T". Thank you, thank you.

As of now, I haven't spent enough play time online to see if my disabling of
the Dell add-on in IE has made a difference. I will do so tonight, and if it
hasn't...... well, I think God may have spoken. In fact, Task Manager has
just been opened and I'm watching it like a hawk. The last thing I'm thrilled
about, is if you are right.... then why did I just drop $2500 for a
resource-incapable machine?!?!?!!

BTW, thanks for the cross-posting... if it can help myself or anyone else,
then hallelujia

Thanks again,
-z

======================================

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:

Quote:

> (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint)
> "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx

Quote:

> > IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium
> >
> > Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and then
> > five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open.

>

Quote:

> > At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring computer-wide
> > only after originating from problems with ie7.

>
>
> Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe task(s).
> E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect)
> or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be
> caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects
> gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can find
> further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in quotes)
> using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using.
>
> E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us
>
> and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; )
>
> BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads
> were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring
> to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have
> added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can
> get Vista-specific responses.
>
>
> HTH
>
> Robert Aldwinckle
> ---
>
>

Quote:

> >
> > At this "certain point", the following happens:
> > #1: I can no longer right click within ie7. And once it starts there, I can
> > no longer right click anywhere anywhere (desktop, etc).
> >
> > #2: I'll click on a new tab and it just won't happen. It tries to, I can
> > see a quick shadow of the attempt (sometimes) but it just won't happen. Even
> > if I choose new tab from the file menu - nope, ain't gonna happen. New window
> > attempt also doesn't happen.
> >
> > #3: Not always initially, but the ie7 menu bar disappears. Oh, it shows
> > it's still clicked on to show but nothing shows. And, at times, the menu bar
> > still shows but won't let me click on it. Again, this only happens after new
> > tab/right click stops working.
> >
> > #4: Maybe a non-issue? But many times just clicking a link takes 2 or more
> > clicks to "make it happen" // to "speed up the connection" -- otherwise it
> > sits in la la land again just thinking away (attempting to connect). I've a
> > fast connection, so I know it's not on my end and usually (after the 2+
> > clicks) not to be on the hosting end either. My old computer never cried at
> > me like this either.
> >
> > Closing ie and then reopening it doesn't help either.... it's still stuck in
> > la la land. As is the rest of my computer. Many times, once the right click
> > goes in ie, I can't access task manager --- so I'm stuck with a hard
> > shutdown. And I hate hard shutdowns, as does the computer too.
> >
> > I've begun to "delicately" surf, careful to bkmrk pgs or open just a very
> > few tabs/windows - but it seems as though maybe it's the amount of time I
> > spend in ie7 perhaps, because I'll start to experience the same issues at
> > some point or another still. I've seen only a few posts (no official MS
> > support posts however) regarding the same problem(s) and have yet to see any
> > answer or applicable answer to my situation.
> >
> > I'm on a 3 day old new laptop running Vista Home Premium. No new software
> > installed by me (only factory Dell). No malicious anything onboard (scanned,
> > etc). I initially rec'd a defective laptop first from Dell and it too
> > experienced the same problems until I reformatted the drive and did a basic
> > dwnload and install of ie7 just to get thru until the replacement laptop
> > arrived. All flew along smoothly in that instance. And now, sadly, here I am
> > with new laptop #2 and have the same ie7 issues that I originally had. I've
> > kept the computer clean and am at my wits end as to what's up.
> >
> > One last thought, I know technology advances but you'd think it would in a
> > good way...... in Win98, IE5 (i think, comp died don't remember) - I could
> > open windows until the cows came home.... never an issue, and allowed me to
> > happily surf/research away. So, there must be something up eh?
> >
> > Can anyone help? Suggest anything? I'd be mighty thankful to someone out
> > there who has the answer(s).
> > Basic Comp Specs:
> > 2.0 gHz Intel processor, 4GB RAM (more than enough uumphh one would think)
> >
> > PS: I'm 15+ years computer-intelligent, so I hope it ain't just me. I do
> > know that I'm not alone as I mentioned the few prior posts I've seen. I would
> > be curious as to if it's a DELL thing (something they install) but no prior
> > post mentioned if they were on a DELL computer.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help/thoughts/replies....
> > - zookeeperX

>
>
>

11-19-2007

Well, now that's a real good thought, but it still leaves me having to
save/attempt2bookmark/print pages.... again, causing frustration and
backtracking my time which I'd rather not do.

I will keep it in mind if IE gets cranky on me when I'm less involved and
can afford the loss.

It is a great work-around idea; thank you!

-z

========================================

"Sandy" wrote:

Quote:

> I have encountered the same problems. At least for now I have found the
> simplest solution to be to "log off" and then immediately log back on. That
> seems to clear the buffers or whatever and it only takes a few seconds.
>
>
> "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%23$s4UXsKIHA.3916@xxxxxx

Quote:

> > (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint)
> > "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx

Quote:

> >> IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium
> >>
> >> Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and then
> >> five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open.

> >

Quote:

> >> At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring
> >> computer-wide
> >> only after originating from problems with ie7.

> >
> >
> > Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe
> > task(s).
> > E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect)
> > or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be
> > caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects
> > gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can
> > find
> > further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in
> > quotes)
> > using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using.
> >
> > E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter:
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us
> >
> > and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; )
> >
> > BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads
> > were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring
> > to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have
> > added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can
> > get Vista-specific responses.
> >
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Robert Aldwinckle
> > ---
> >
> >

Quote:

> >>
> >> At this "certain point", the following happens:
> >> #1: I can no longer right click within ie7. And once it starts there, I
> >> can
> >> no longer right click anywhere anywhere (desktop, etc).
> >>
> >> #2: I'll click on a new tab and it just won't happen. It tries to, I can
> >> see a quick shadow of the attempt (sometimes) but it just won't happen.
> >> Even
> >> if I choose new tab from the file menu - nope, ain't gonna happen. New
> >> window
> >> attempt also doesn't happen.
> >>
> >> #3: Not always initially, but the ie7 menu bar disappears. Oh, it shows
> >> it's still clicked on to show but nothing shows. And, at times, the menu
> >> bar
> >> still shows but won't let me click on it. Again, this only happens after
> >> new
> >> tab/right click stops working.
> >>
> >> #4: Maybe a non-issue? But many times just clicking a link takes 2 or
> >> more
> >> clicks to "make it happen" // to "speed up the connection" -- otherwise
> >> it
> >> sits in la la land again just thinking away (attempting to connect). I've
> >> a
> >> fast connection, so I know it's not on my end and usually (after the 2+
> >> clicks) not to be on the hosting end either. My old computer never cried
> >> at
> >> me like this either.
> >>
> >> Closing ie and then reopening it doesn't help either.... it's still stuck
> >> in
> >> la la land. As is the rest of my computer. Many times, once the right
> >> click
> >> goes in ie, I can't access task manager --- so I'm stuck with a hard
> >> shutdown. And I hate hard shutdowns, as does the computer too.
> >>
> >> I've begun to "delicately" surf, careful to bkmrk pgs or open just a very
> >> few tabs/windows - but it seems as though maybe it's the amount of time I
> >> spend in ie7 perhaps, because I'll start to experience the same issues at
> >> some point or another still. I've seen only a few posts (no official MS
> >> support posts however) regarding the same problem(s) and have yet to see
> >> any
> >> answer or applicable answer to my situation.
> >>
> >> I'm on a 3 day old new laptop running Vista Home Premium. No new software
> >> installed by me (only factory Dell). No malicious anything onboard
> >> (scanned,
> >> etc). I initially rec'd a defective laptop first from Dell and it too
> >> experienced the same problems until I reformatted the drive and did a
> >> basic
> >> dwnload and install of ie7 just to get thru until the replacement laptop
> >> arrived. All flew along smoothly in that instance. And now, sadly, here I
> >> am
> >> with new laptop #2 and have the same ie7 issues that I originally had.
> >> I've
> >> kept the computer clean and am at my wits end as to what's up.
> >>
> >> One last thought, I know technology advances but you'd think it would in
> >> a
> >> good way...... in Win98, IE5 (i think, comp died don't remember) - I
> >> could
> >> open windows until the cows came home.... never an issue, and allowed me
> >> to
> >> happily surf/research away. So, there must be something up eh?
> >>
> >> Can anyone help? Suggest anything? I'd be mighty thankful to someone out
> >> there who has the answer(s).
> >> Basic Comp Specs:
> >> 2.0 gHz Intel processor, 4GB RAM (more than enough uumphh one would
> >> think)
> >>
> >> PS: I'm 15+ years computer-intelligent, so I hope it ain't just me. I do
> >> know that I'm not alone as I mentioned the few prior posts I've seen. I
> >> would
> >> be curious as to if it's a DELL thing (something they install) but no
> >> prior
> >> post mentioned if they were on a DELL computer.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any help/thoughts/replies....
> >> - zookeeperX

> >
> >

>
>

11-20-2007

Hey Robert,

I'm over here in the search for GDI Objects" where you said to check.
Wow.
Wow, absolutely amazing. I must offer soooo many thanks for directing me
here as I would have NEVER ended up here on my own searching for my problems.

What an amazing little place.... full of so much info; it's great!!
Thank you, thank you. I owe you one but could probably never pay up

PS: to all who catch this/my orig post (here in GDI-land) - it was
cross-posted here to help anyone who might need help. As mentioned prior,
Nothing GDI-related came up regarding my problems ....so, please know I'm not
trying to override any wonderful pertinent info found in the below posts
(search "GDI Objects"). I just couldn't find any info and decided to post my
own 'help me please'.... what can I say..... I had a moment.

And to all who find this post wherever you are in this overwhelming site; it
you've read this due to similar issues, as Robert said - click here:
-----
http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us
-----

You'll be amazed. learned, and perhaps scratching your head just a little
bit less. Not all info may apply, but I promise - you walk away having
learned something.

Thank you again Robert.... whether all or any might apply to me (still
testing

.... you be my man!

Take care,
-zookeeperX

===============================================

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:

Quote:

> (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint)
> "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx

Quote:

> > IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium
> >
> > Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and then
> > five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open.

>

Quote:

> > At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring computer-wide
> > only after originating from problems with ie7.

>
>
> Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe task(s).
> E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect)
> or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be
> caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects
> gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can find
> further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in quotes)
> using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using.
>
> E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us
>
> and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; )
>
> BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads
> were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring
> to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have
> added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can
> get Vista-specific responses.
>
>
> HTH
>
> Robert Aldwinckle
> ---

11-20-2007

"zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ABF9955F-E1A3-46D5-AD4D-B862BFF23442@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Well, now that's a real good thought, but it still leaves me having to
> save/attempt2bookmark/print pages.... again, causing frustration and
> backtracking my time which I'd rather not do.

Not really. Use the option in the Alt-F4 dialog which says that you want
to try to restart all those same pages the next time you open IE.

---

Quote:

>
> I will keep it in mind if IE gets cranky on me when I'm less involved and
> can afford the loss.
>
> It is a great work-around idea; thank you!
>
> -z
>
> ========================================
>
>
> "Sandy" wrote:
>

Quote:

>> I have encountered the same problems. At least for now I have found the
>> simplest solution to be to "log off" and then immediately log back on. That
>> seems to clear the buffers or whatever and it only takes a few seconds.

....

11-20-2007

"zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:FD7AFDDF-4C9C-4E78-8ED1-9D203197B697@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Hey Robert,
>
> I'm over here in the search for GDI Objects" where you said to check.
> Wow.
> Wow, absolutely amazing. I must offer soooo many thanks for directing me
> here as I would have NEVER ended up here on my own searching for my problems.
>
> What an amazing little place.... full of so much info; it's great!!
> Thank you, thank you. I owe you one but could probably never pay up

>
> PS: to all who catch this/my orig post (here in GDI-land) - it was
> cross-posted here to help anyone who might need help. As mentioned prior,

(not cross-posted)

Subject: **UPDATE** IE7 Right click/New tabs/Menus Issues **UPDATE**
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:25:01 -0800
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

http://www.microsoft.com/communities...a-53618722edc3

Quote:

> Nothing GDI-related came up regarding my problems ....so, please know I'm not
> trying to override any wonderful pertinent info found in the below posts
> (search "GDI Objects"). I just couldn't find any info and decided to post my
> own 'help me please'.... what can I say..... I had a moment.

Notice that I was only pointing out that GDI >9000 can cause the same
symptoms that you are reporting. It is one example of a more general
issue of resource shortage (which may be due to inefficient programming
or bugs (e.g., in the form of leaks) or just a lack of tuning needed to adapt
for a particular user's extraordinary needs.).

Quote:

>
> And to all who find this post wherever you are in this overwhelming site; it
> you've read this due to similar issues, as Robert said - click here:
> -----
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us

So, are any of the other numbers changing dramatically?
Try taking note of the numbers for whatever set of tabs you have
at that time. For this I think there are better tools than TM but
I suppose you could try using Alt-PrintScrn and saving however
many rightscrolls it would take to capture them all into a Clip Book.
(Assuming Vista still has clipbrd.exe to Run... but hopefully something
even better?) In fact for this case you could ignore cumulative statistics
such as page faults and I/O counts which could reduce the number of
screens you would have to capture.

Hmm... I just checked in Process Explorer's Help. It has a feature
which might be simpler than the proposed ClipBook idea. Supposedly
once you have selected your iexplore.exe process it could be just as
easy as pressing Ctrl-s... then finding the saved file and opening it
with Notepad. (Seems to work.)

<quote>
When you choose File|Save Process Explorer saves the contents of
the Process and lower pane, if it is showing, as a tab-delimited text file.
</quote>

Another option which would be more work to set up but which would ultimately
be more useful for comparing the statistics from multiple instances would be
to use PerfMon to keep a log of the equivalent statistics we are interested in.
And again, if there are any better tools now in Vista someone else is going
to have to point them out to you.

So, however you do it (even manually using Notepad <w>) get some numbers
and then close your IE window, using the option which says that you want to
reopen the same set of tabs the next time you start it again. Then compare
the set of statistics for the new instance of the browser with the saved set.
If you had a leak in the first instance it would probably be apparent as a much
lower statistic in the second instance (e.g. not necessarily GDI Objects).

BTW from the above search it looks as if you and WayneF could start commiserating:

Subject: Re: IE uses too many GDI Objects (Slows PC)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:35:28 +0200
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

http://www.microsoft.com/communities...b56&sloc=en-us

<quote>
Interesting that you can go to 9,900 GDI objects yet if i get to 6,000
..... the computer is basically useless ....
</quote>

FWIW I think that in spite of the thread's Subject that GDI Objects
may not be the issue.

Hmm... that poster was using XP but found an article which apparently
still applies to Vista too...

http://weblogs.asp.net/israelio/arch...-resolved.aspx

Quote:

> -----
>
> You'll be amazed. learned, and perhaps scratching your head just a little
> bit less. Not all info may apply, but I promise - you walk away having
> learned something.
>
> Thank you again Robert.... whether all or any might apply to me (still
> testing

.... you be my man!

You're welcome. Good luck.

Robert
---

Quote:

>
> Take care,
> -zookeeperX
>
>
> ===============================================
>
> "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
>

Quote:

>> (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint)
>> "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> > IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium
>> >
>> > Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and then
>> > five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open.

>>

Quote:

>> > At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring computer-wide
>> > only after originating from problems with ie7.

>>
>>
>> Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe task(s).
>> E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect)
>> or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be
>> caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects
>> gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can find
>> further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in quotes)
>> using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using.
>>
>> E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter:
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us
>>
>> and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; )
>>
>> BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads
>> were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring
>> to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have
>> added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can
>> get Vista-specific responses.
>>
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Robert Aldwinckle
>> ---

11-20-2007

Robert,

I posted an update, however it does not include any suggestions that you've
posted here. That update was written late last night and I just ran across
this msg.

I will attempt to 'test' as you say below.
BUT....
as of now, no matter what the outcome of my testing.....
..... memory leakage, no leakage.....
IS THERE ANY ANSWER TO THESE ISSUES in your opinion?
Something to allow fairly trouble-free browsing.

Thanks again so very much for your interest and time here,
-z

======================================

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:

Quote:

> "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:FD7AFDDF-4C9C-4E78-8ED1-9D203197B697@xxxxxx

Quote:

> >

> Subject: **UPDATE** IE7 Right click/New tabs/Menus Issues **UPDATE**
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:25:01 -0800

Quote:

> > Nothing GDI-related came up regarding my problems ....so, please know I'm not
> > trying to override any wonderful pertinent info found in the below posts
> > (search "GDI Objects"). I just couldn't find any info and decided to post my
> > own 'help me please'.... what can I say..... I had a moment.

>
> Notice that I was only pointing out that GDI >9000 can cause the same
> symptoms that you are reporting. It is one example of a more general
> issue of resource shortage (which may be due to inefficient programming
> or bugs (e.g., in the form of leaks) or just a lack of tuning needed to adapt
> for a particular user's extraordinary needs.).
>
>
> So, are any of the other numbers changing dramatically?
> Try taking note of the numbers for whatever set of tabs you have
> at that time. For this I think there are better tools than TM but
> I suppose you could try using Alt-PrintScrn and saving however
> many rightscrolls it would take to capture them all into a Clip Book.
> (Assuming Vista still has clipbrd.exe to Run... but hopefully something
> even better?) In fact for this case you could ignore cumulative statistics
> such as page faults and I/O counts which could reduce the number of
> screens you would have to capture.
>
> Hmm... I just checked in Process Explorer's Help. It has a feature
> which might be simpler than the proposed ClipBook idea. Supposedly
> once you have selected your iexplore.exe process it could be just as
> easy as pressing Ctrl-s... then finding the saved file and opening it
> with Notepad. (Seems to work.)
>
> <quote>
> When you choose File|Save Process Explorer saves the contents of
> the Process and lower pane, if it is showing, as a tab-delimited text file.
> </quote>
>
> Another option which would be more work to set up but which would ultimately
> be more useful for comparing the statistics from multiple instances would be
> to use PerfMon to keep a log of the equivalent statistics we are interested in.
> And again, if there are any better tools now in Vista someone else is going
> to have to point them out to you.
>
> So, however you do it (even manually using Notepad <w>) get some numbers
> and then close your IE window, using the option which says that you want to
> reopen the same set of tabs the next time you start it again. Then compare
> the set of statistics for the new instance of the browser with the saved set.
> If you had a leak in the first instance it would probably be apparent as a much
> lower statistic in the second instance (e.g. not necessarily GDI Objects).
>
> BTW from the above search it looks as if you and WayneF could start commiserating:
>
> Subject: Re: IE uses too many GDI Objects (Slows PC)
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:35:28 +0200
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...b56&sloc=en-us
>
> <quote>
> Interesting that you can go to 9,900 GDI objects yet if i get to 6,000
> ..... the computer is basically useless ....
> </quote>
>
> FWIW I think that in spite of the thread's Subject that GDI Objects
> may not be the issue.
>
> Hmm... that poster was using XP but found an article which apparently
> still applies to Vista too...
>
> http://weblogs.asp.net/israelio/arch...-resolved.aspx
>
> You're welcome. Good luck.
>
>
> Robert
> ---

11-20-2007

Another alternative would be to try using the Firefox browser. You can
import your bookmarks and the functionality is comparable to IE but
apparently much of the architecture is different and (arguably) less buggy.

"zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ABF9955F-E1A3-46D5-AD4D-B862BFF23442@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Well, now that's a real good thought, but it still leaves me having to
> save/attempt2bookmark/print pages.... again, causing frustration and
> backtracking my time which I'd rather not do.
>
> I will keep it in mind if IE gets cranky on me when I'm less involved and
> can afford the loss.
>
> It is a great work-around idea; thank you!
>
> -z
>
> ========================================
>
>
> "Sandy" wrote:
>

Quote:

>> I have encountered the same problems. At least for now I have found the
>> simplest solution to be to "log off" and then immediately log back on.
>> That
>> seems to clear the buffers or whatever and it only takes a few seconds.
>>
>>
>> "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:%23$s4UXsKIHA.3916@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> > (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint)
>> > "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> > news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx
>> >> IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium
>> >>
>> >> Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and
>> >> then
>> >> five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open.
>> >
>> >> At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring
>> >> computer-wide
>> >> only after originating from problems with ie7.
>> >
>> >
>> > Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe
>> > task(s).
>> > E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect)
>> > or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be
>> > caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects
>> > gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can
>> > find
>> > further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string
>> > (in
>> > quotes)
>> > using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using.
>> >
>> > E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter:
>> >
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us
>> >
>> > and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; )
>> >
>> > BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads
>> > were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically
>> > referring
>> > to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I
>> > have
>> > added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you
>> > can
>> > get Vista-specific responses.
>> >
>> >
>> > HTH
>> >
>> > Robert Aldwinckle
>> > ---
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> At this "certain point", the following happens:
>> >> #1: I can no longer right click within ie7. And once it starts there,
>> >> I
>> >> can
>> >> no longer right click anywhere anywhere (desktop, etc).
>> >>
>> >> #2: I'll click on a new tab and it just won't happen. It tries to, I
>> >> can
>> >> see a quick shadow of the attempt (sometimes) but it just won't
>> >> happen.
>> >> Even
>> >> if I choose new tab from the file menu - nope, ain't gonna happen. New
>> >> window
>> >> attempt also doesn't happen.
>> >>
>> >> #3: Not always initially, but the ie7 menu bar disappears. Oh, it
>> >> shows
>> >> it's still clicked on to show but nothing shows. And, at times, the
>> >> menu
>> >> bar
>> >> still shows but won't let me click on it. Again, this only happens
>> >> after
>> >> new
>> >> tab/right click stops working.
>> >>
>> >> #4: Maybe a non-issue? But many times just clicking a link takes 2 or
>> >> more
>> >> clicks to "make it happen" // to "speed up the connection" --
>> >> otherwise
>> >> it
>> >> sits in la la land again just thinking away (attempting to connect).
>> >> I've
>> >> a
>> >> fast connection, so I know it's not on my end and usually (after the
>> >> 2+
>> >> clicks) not to be on the hosting end either. My old computer never
>> >> cried
>> >> at
>> >> me like this either.
>> >>
>> >> Closing ie and then reopening it doesn't help either.... it's still
>> >> stuck
>> >> in
>> >> la la land. As is the rest of my computer. Many times, once the right
>> >> click
>> >> goes in ie, I can't access task manager --- so I'm stuck with a hard
>> >> shutdown. And I hate hard shutdowns, as does the computer too.
>> >>
>> >> I've begun to "delicately" surf, careful to bkmrk pgs or open just a
>> >> very
>> >> few tabs/windows - but it seems as though maybe it's the amount of
>> >> time I
>> >> spend in ie7 perhaps, because I'll start to experience the same issues
>> >> at
>> >> some point or another still. I've seen only a few posts (no official
>> >> MS
>> >> support posts however) regarding the same problem(s) and have yet to
>> >> see
>> >> any
>> >> answer or applicable answer to my situation.
>> >>
>> >> I'm on a 3 day old new laptop running Vista Home Premium. No new
>> >> software
>> >> installed by me (only factory Dell). No malicious anything onboard
>> >> (scanned,
>> >> etc). I initially rec'd a defective laptop first from Dell and it too
>> >> experienced the same problems until I reformatted the drive and did a
>> >> basic
>> >> dwnload and install of ie7 just to get thru until the replacement
>> >> laptop
>> >> arrived. All flew along smoothly in that instance. And now, sadly,
>> >> here I
>> >> am
>> >> with new laptop #2 and have the same ie7 issues that I originally had.
>> >> I've
>> >> kept the computer clean and am at my wits end as to what's up.
>> >>
>> >> One last thought, I know technology advances but you'd think it would
>> >> in
>> >> a
>> >> good way...... in Win98, IE5 (i think, comp died don't remember) - I
>> >> could
>> >> open windows until the cows came home.... never an issue, and allowed
>> >> me
>> >> to
>> >> happily surf/research away. So, there must be something up eh?
>> >>
>> >> Can anyone help? Suggest anything? I'd be mighty thankful to someone
>> >> out
>> >> there who has the answer(s).
>> >> Basic Comp Specs:
>> >> 2.0 gHz Intel processor, 4GB RAM (more than enough uumphh one would
>> >> think)
>> >>
>> >> PS: I'm 15+ years computer-intelligent, so I hope it ain't just me. I
>> >> do
>> >> know that I'm not alone as I mentioned the few prior posts I've seen.
>> >> I
>> >> would
>> >> be curious as to if it's a DELL thing (something they install) but no
>> >> prior
>> >> post mentioned if they were on a DELL computer.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance for any help/thoughts/replies....
>> >> - zookeeperX
>> >
>> >

>>
>>

11-19-2007	#1 (permalink)
Robert Aldwinckle n/a posts	Re: Right click stops working/New tabs stop working/Menu bar disappear (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint) "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx Quote: > IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium > > Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and then > five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open. Quote: > At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring computer-wide > only after originating from problems with ie7. Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe task(s). E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect) or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can find further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in quotes) using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using. E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter: http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; ) BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can get Vista-specific responses. HTH Robert Aldwinckle --- Quote: > > At this "certain point", the following happens: > #1: I can no longer right click within ie7. And once it starts there, I can > no longer right click anywhere anywhere (desktop, etc). > > #2: I'll click on a new tab and it just won't happen. It tries to, I can > see a quick shadow of the attempt (sometimes) but it just won't happen. Even > if I choose new tab from the file menu - nope, ain't gonna happen. New window > attempt also doesn't happen. > > #3: Not always initially, but the ie7 menu bar disappears. Oh, it shows > it's still clicked on to show but nothing shows. And, at times, the menu bar > still shows but won't let me click on it. Again, this only happens after new > tab/right click stops working. > > #4: Maybe a non-issue? But many times just clicking a link takes 2 or more > clicks to "make it happen" // to "speed up the connection" -- otherwise it > sits in la la land again just thinking away (attempting to connect). I've a > fast connection, so I know it's not on my end and usually (after the 2+ > clicks) not to be on the hosting end either. My old computer never cried at > me like this either. > > Closing ie and then reopening it doesn't help either.... it's still stuck in > la la land. As is the rest of my computer. Many times, once the right click > goes in ie, I can't access task manager --- so I'm stuck with a hard > shutdown. And I hate hard shutdowns, as does the computer too. > > I've begun to "delicately" surf, careful to bkmrk pgs or open just a very > few tabs/windows - but it seems as though maybe it's the amount of time I > spend in ie7 perhaps, because I'll start to experience the same issues at > some point or another still. I've seen only a few posts (no official MS > support posts however) regarding the same problem(s) and have yet to see any > answer or applicable answer to my situation. > > I'm on a 3 day old new laptop running Vista Home Premium. No new software > installed by me (only factory Dell). No malicious anything onboard (scanned, > etc). I initially rec'd a defective laptop first from Dell and it too > experienced the same problems until I reformatted the drive and did a basic > dwnload and install of ie7 just to get thru until the replacement laptop > arrived. All flew along smoothly in that instance. And now, sadly, here I am > with new laptop #2 and have the same ie7 issues that I originally had. I've > kept the computer clean and am at my wits end as to what's up. > > One last thought, I know technology advances but you'd think it would in a > good way...... in Win98, IE5 (i think, comp died don't remember) - I could > open windows until the cows came home.... never an issue, and allowed me to > happily surf/research away. So, there must be something up eh? > > Can anyone help? Suggest anything? I'd be mighty thankful to someone out > there who has the answer(s). > Basic Comp Specs: > 2.0 gHz Intel processor, 4GB RAM (more than enough uumphh one would think) > > PS: I'm 15+ years computer-intelligent, so I hope it ain't just me. I do > know that I'm not alone as I mentioned the few prior posts I've seen. I would > be curious as to if it's a DELL thing (something they install) but no prior > post mentioned if they were on a DELL computer. > > Thanks in advance for any help/thoughts/replies.... > - zookeeperX
My System Specs

11-19-2007	#2 (permalink)
Brink Vista x64 Ultimate SP2, Windows 7 Ultimate x64 25,919 posts	Re: Right click stops working/New tabs stop working/Menu bar disappear Quote: Originally Posted by Robert Aldwinckle (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint) "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe task(s). E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect) or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can find further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in quotes) using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using. E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter: Search Results: "GDI Objects" and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; ) BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can get Vista-specific responses. HTH Robert Aldwinckle --- > > At this "certain point", the following happens: > #1: I can no longer right click within ie7. And once it starts there, I can > no longer right click anywhere anywhere (desktop, etc). > > #2: I'll click on a new tab and it just won't happen. It tries to, I can > see a quick shadow of the attempt (sometimes) but it just won't happen. Even > if I choose new tab from the file menu - nope, ain't gonna happen. New window > attempt also doesn't happen. > > #3: Not always initially, but the ie7 menu bar disappears. Oh, it shows > it's still clicked on to show but nothing shows. And, at times, the menu bar > still shows but won't let me click on it. Again, this only happens after new > tab/right click stops working. > > #4: Maybe a non-issue? But many times just clicking a link takes 2 or more > clicks to "make it happen" // to "speed up the connection" -- otherwise it > sits in la la land again just thinking away (attempting to connect). I've a > fast connection, so I know it's not on my end and usually (after the 2+ > clicks) not to be on the hosting end either. My old computer never cried at > me like this either. > > Closing ie and then reopening it doesn't help either.... it's still stuck in > la la land. As is the rest of my computer. Many times, once the right click > goes in ie, I can't access task manager --- so I'm stuck with a hard > shutdown. And I hate hard shutdowns, as does the computer too. > > I've begun to "delicately" surf, careful to bkmrk pgs or open just a very > few tabs/windows - but it seems as though maybe it's the amount of time I > spend in ie7 perhaps, because I'll start to experience the same issues at > some point or another still. I've seen only a few posts (no official MS > support posts however) regarding the same problem(s) and have yet to see any > answer or applicable answer to my situation. > > I'm on a 3 day old new laptop running Vista Home Premium. No new software > installed by me (only factory Dell). No malicious anything onboard (scanned, > etc). I initially rec'd a defective laptop first from Dell and it too > experienced the same problems until I reformatted the drive and did a basic > dwnload and install of ie7 just to get thru until the replacement laptop > arrived. All flew along smoothly in that instance. And now, sadly, here I am > with new laptop #2 and have the same ie7 issues that I originally had. I've > kept the computer clean and am at my wits end as to what's up. > > One last thought, I know technology advances but you'd think it would in a > good way...... in Win98, IE5 (i think, comp died don't remember) - I could > open windows until the cows came home.... never an issue, and allowed me to > happily surf/research away. So, there must be something up eh? > > Can anyone help? Suggest anything? I'd be mighty thankful to someone out > there who has the answer(s). > Basic Comp Specs: > 2.0 gHz Intel processor, 4GB RAM (more than enough uumphh one would think) > > PS: I'm 15+ years computer-intelligent, so I hope it ain't just me. I do > know that I'm not alone as I mentioned the few prior posts I've seen. I would > be curious as to if it's a DELL thing (something they install) but no prior > post mentioned if they were on a DELL computer. > > Thanks in advance for any help/thoughts/replies.... > - zookeeperX Hi ZookeeperX, You might check this to see if it is related to your problem. Right-click is slow or weird behavior caused by context menu handlers and You can use this tool to check with the above link. ShellExView - Shell Extension Manager For Windows Shawn
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11-19-2007	#3 (permalink)
Sandy n/a posts	Re: Right click stops working/New tabs stop working/Menu bar disappear I have encountered the same problems. At least for now I have found the simplest solution to be to "log off" and then immediately log back on. That seems to clear the buffers or whatever and it only takes a few seconds. "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23$s4UXsKIHA.3916@xxxxxx Quote: > (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint) > "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx Quote: >> IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium >> >> Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and then >> five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open. > Quote: >> At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring >> computer-wide >> only after originating from problems with ie7. > > > Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe > task(s). > E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect) > or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be > caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects > gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can > find > further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in > quotes) > using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using. > > E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter: > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us > > and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; ) > > BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads > were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring > to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have > added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can > get Vista-specific responses. > > > HTH > > Robert Aldwinckle > --- > > Quote: >> >> At this "certain point", the following happens: >> #1: I can no longer right click within ie7. And once it starts there, I >> can >> no longer right click anywhere anywhere (desktop, etc). >> >> #2: I'll click on a new tab and it just won't happen. It tries to, I can >> see a quick shadow of the attempt (sometimes) but it just won't happen. >> Even >> if I choose new tab from the file menu - nope, ain't gonna happen. New >> window >> attempt also doesn't happen. >> >> #3: Not always initially, but the ie7 menu bar disappears. Oh, it shows >> it's still clicked on to show but nothing shows. And, at times, the menu >> bar >> still shows but won't let me click on it. Again, this only happens after >> new >> tab/right click stops working. >> >> #4: Maybe a non-issue? But many times just clicking a link takes 2 or >> more >> clicks to "make it happen" // to "speed up the connection" -- otherwise >> it >> sits in la la land again just thinking away (attempting to connect). I've >> a >> fast connection, so I know it's not on my end and usually (after the 2+ >> clicks) not to be on the hosting end either. My old computer never cried >> at >> me like this either. >> >> Closing ie and then reopening it doesn't help either.... it's still stuck >> in >> la la land. As is the rest of my computer. Many times, once the right >> click >> goes in ie, I can't access task manager --- so I'm stuck with a hard >> shutdown. And I hate hard shutdowns, as does the computer too. >> >> I've begun to "delicately" surf, careful to bkmrk pgs or open just a very >> few tabs/windows - but it seems as though maybe it's the amount of time I >> spend in ie7 perhaps, because I'll start to experience the same issues at >> some point or another still. I've seen only a few posts (no official MS >> support posts however) regarding the same problem(s) and have yet to see >> any >> answer or applicable answer to my situation. >> >> I'm on a 3 day old new laptop running Vista Home Premium. No new software >> installed by me (only factory Dell). No malicious anything onboard >> (scanned, >> etc). I initially rec'd a defective laptop first from Dell and it too >> experienced the same problems until I reformatted the drive and did a >> basic >> dwnload and install of ie7 just to get thru until the replacement laptop >> arrived. All flew along smoothly in that instance. And now, sadly, here I >> am >> with new laptop #2 and have the same ie7 issues that I originally had. >> I've >> kept the computer clean and am at my wits end as to what's up. >> >> One last thought, I know technology advances but you'd think it would in >> a >> good way...... in Win98, IE5 (i think, comp died don't remember) - I >> could >> open windows until the cows came home.... never an issue, and allowed me >> to >> happily surf/research away. So, there must be something up eh? >> >> Can anyone help? Suggest anything? I'd be mighty thankful to someone out >> there who has the answer(s). >> Basic Comp Specs: >> 2.0 gHz Intel processor, 4GB RAM (more than enough uumphh one would >> think) >> >> PS: I'm 15+ years computer-intelligent, so I hope it ain't just me. I do >> know that I'm not alone as I mentioned the few prior posts I've seen. I >> would >> be curious as to if it's a DELL thing (something they install) but no >> prior >> post mentioned if they were on a DELL computer. >> >> Thanks in advance for any help/thoughts/replies.... >> - zookeeperX > >
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11-19-2007	#4 (permalink)
zookeeperX n/a posts	Re: Right click stops working/New tabs stop working/Menu bar disap Wow.... God spoke! I hope. God, I really hope. I will have to get back to you (this post) after a bit of playing around and following your instructions to the "T". Thank you, thank you. As of now, I haven't spent enough play time online to see if my disabling of the Dell add-on in IE has made a difference. I will do so tonight, and if it hasn't...... well, I think God may have spoken. In fact, Task Manager has just been opened and I'm watching it like a hawk. The last thing I'm thrilled about, is if you are right.... then why did I just drop $2500 for a resource-incapable machine?!?!?!! BTW, thanks for the cross-posting... if it can help myself or anyone else, then hallelujia Thanks again, -z ====================================== "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote: Quote: > (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint) > "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx Quote: > > IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium > > > > Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and then > > five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open. > Quote: > > At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring computer-wide > > only after originating from problems with ie7. > > > Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe task(s). > E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect) > or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be > caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects > gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can find > further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in quotes) > using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using. > > E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter: > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us > > and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; ) > > BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads > were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring > to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have > added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can > get Vista-specific responses. > > > HTH > > Robert Aldwinckle > --- > > Quote: > > > > At this "certain point", the following happens: > > #1: I can no longer right click within ie7. And once it starts there, I can > > no longer right click anywhere anywhere (desktop, etc). > > > > #2: I'll click on a new tab and it just won't happen. It tries to, I can > > see a quick shadow of the attempt (sometimes) but it just won't happen. Even > > if I choose new tab from the file menu - nope, ain't gonna happen. New window > > attempt also doesn't happen. > > > > #3: Not always initially, but the ie7 menu bar disappears. Oh, it shows > > it's still clicked on to show but nothing shows. And, at times, the menu bar > > still shows but won't let me click on it. Again, this only happens after new > > tab/right click stops working. > > > > #4: Maybe a non-issue? But many times just clicking a link takes 2 or more > > clicks to "make it happen" // to "speed up the connection" -- otherwise it > > sits in la la land again just thinking away (attempting to connect). I've a > > fast connection, so I know it's not on my end and usually (after the 2+ > > clicks) not to be on the hosting end either. My old computer never cried at > > me like this either. > > > > Closing ie and then reopening it doesn't help either.... it's still stuck in > > la la land. As is the rest of my computer. Many times, once the right click > > goes in ie, I can't access task manager --- so I'm stuck with a hard > > shutdown. And I hate hard shutdowns, as does the computer too. > > > > I've begun to "delicately" surf, careful to bkmrk pgs or open just a very > > few tabs/windows - but it seems as though maybe it's the amount of time I > > spend in ie7 perhaps, because I'll start to experience the same issues at > > some point or another still. I've seen only a few posts (no official MS > > support posts however) regarding the same problem(s) and have yet to see any > > answer or applicable answer to my situation. > > > > I'm on a 3 day old new laptop running Vista Home Premium. No new software > > installed by me (only factory Dell). No malicious anything onboard (scanned, > > etc). I initially rec'd a defective laptop first from Dell and it too > > experienced the same problems until I reformatted the drive and did a basic > > dwnload and install of ie7 just to get thru until the replacement laptop > > arrived. All flew along smoothly in that instance. And now, sadly, here I am > > with new laptop #2 and have the same ie7 issues that I originally had. I've > > kept the computer clean and am at my wits end as to what's up. > > > > One last thought, I know technology advances but you'd think it would in a > > good way...... in Win98, IE5 (i think, comp died don't remember) - I could > > open windows until the cows came home.... never an issue, and allowed me to > > happily surf/research away. So, there must be something up eh? > > > > Can anyone help? Suggest anything? I'd be mighty thankful to someone out > > there who has the answer(s). > > Basic Comp Specs: > > 2.0 gHz Intel processor, 4GB RAM (more than enough uumphh one would think) > > > > PS: I'm 15+ years computer-intelligent, so I hope it ain't just me. I do > > know that I'm not alone as I mentioned the few prior posts I've seen. I would > > be curious as to if it's a DELL thing (something they install) but no prior > > post mentioned if they were on a DELL computer. > > > > Thanks in advance for any help/thoughts/replies.... > > - zookeeperX > > >
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11-19-2007	#5 (permalink)
zookeeperX n/a posts	Re: Right click stops working/New tabs stop working/Menu bar disap Well, now that's a real good thought, but it still leaves me having to save/attempt2bookmark/print pages.... again, causing frustration and backtracking my time which I'd rather not do. I will keep it in mind if IE gets cranky on me when I'm less involved and can afford the loss. It is a great work-around idea; thank you! -z ======================================== "Sandy" wrote: Quote: > I have encountered the same problems. At least for now I have found the > simplest solution to be to "log off" and then immediately log back on. That > seems to clear the buffers or whatever and it only takes a few seconds. > > > "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:%23$s4UXsKIHA.3916@xxxxxx Quote: > > (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint) > > "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx Quote: > >> IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium > >> > >> Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and then > >> five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open. > > Quote: > >> At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring > >> computer-wide > >> only after originating from problems with ie7. > > > > > > Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe > > task(s). > > E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect) > > or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be > > caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects > > gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can > > find > > further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in > > quotes) > > using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using. > > > > E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter: > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us > > > > and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; ) > > > > BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads > > were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring > > to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have > > added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can > > get Vista-specific responses. > > > > > > HTH > > > > Robert Aldwinckle > > --- > > > > Quote: > >> > >> At this "certain point", the following happens: > >> #1: I can no longer right click within ie7. And once it starts there, I > >> can > >> no longer right click anywhere anywhere (desktop, etc). > >> > >> #2: I'll click on a new tab and it just won't happen. It tries to, I can > >> see a quick shadow of the attempt (sometimes) but it just won't happen. > >> Even > >> if I choose new tab from the file menu - nope, ain't gonna happen. New > >> window > >> attempt also doesn't happen. > >> > >> #3: Not always initially, but the ie7 menu bar disappears. Oh, it shows > >> it's still clicked on to show but nothing shows. And, at times, the menu > >> bar > >> still shows but won't let me click on it. Again, this only happens after > >> new > >> tab/right click stops working. > >> > >> #4: Maybe a non-issue? But many times just clicking a link takes 2 or > >> more > >> clicks to "make it happen" // to "speed up the connection" -- otherwise > >> it > >> sits in la la land again just thinking away (attempting to connect). I've > >> a > >> fast connection, so I know it's not on my end and usually (after the 2+ > >> clicks) not to be on the hosting end either. My old computer never cried > >> at > >> me like this either. > >> > >> Closing ie and then reopening it doesn't help either.... it's still stuck > >> in > >> la la land. As is the rest of my computer. Many times, once the right > >> click > >> goes in ie, I can't access task manager --- so I'm stuck with a hard > >> shutdown. And I hate hard shutdowns, as does the computer too. > >> > >> I've begun to "delicately" surf, careful to bkmrk pgs or open just a very > >> few tabs/windows - but it seems as though maybe it's the amount of time I > >> spend in ie7 perhaps, because I'll start to experience the same issues at > >> some point or another still. I've seen only a few posts (no official MS > >> support posts however) regarding the same problem(s) and have yet to see > >> any > >> answer or applicable answer to my situation. > >> > >> I'm on a 3 day old new laptop running Vista Home Premium. No new software > >> installed by me (only factory Dell). No malicious anything onboard > >> (scanned, > >> etc). I initially rec'd a defective laptop first from Dell and it too > >> experienced the same problems until I reformatted the drive and did a > >> basic > >> dwnload and install of ie7 just to get thru until the replacement laptop > >> arrived. All flew along smoothly in that instance. And now, sadly, here I > >> am > >> with new laptop #2 and have the same ie7 issues that I originally had. > >> I've > >> kept the computer clean and am at my wits end as to what's up. > >> > >> One last thought, I know technology advances but you'd think it would in > >> a > >> good way...... in Win98, IE5 (i think, comp died don't remember) - I > >> could > >> open windows until the cows came home.... never an issue, and allowed me > >> to > >> happily surf/research away. So, there must be something up eh? > >> > >> Can anyone help? Suggest anything? I'd be mighty thankful to someone out > >> there who has the answer(s). > >> Basic Comp Specs: > >> 2.0 gHz Intel processor, 4GB RAM (more than enough uumphh one would > >> think) > >> > >> PS: I'm 15+ years computer-intelligent, so I hope it ain't just me. I do > >> know that I'm not alone as I mentioned the few prior posts I've seen. I > >> would > >> be curious as to if it's a DELL thing (something they install) but no > >> prior > >> post mentioned if they were on a DELL computer. > >> > >> Thanks in advance for any help/thoughts/replies.... > >> - zookeeperX > > > > > >
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11-20-2007	#6 (permalink)
zookeeperX n/a posts	Re: Right click stops working/New tabs stop working/Menu bar disap Hey Robert, I'm over here in the search for GDI Objects" where you said to check. Wow. Wow, absolutely amazing. I must offer soooo many thanks for directing me here as I would have NEVER ended up here on my own searching for my problems. What an amazing little place.... full of so much info; it's great!! Thank you, thank you. I owe you one but could probably never pay up PS: to all who catch this/my orig post (here in GDI-land) - it was cross-posted here to help anyone who might need help. As mentioned prior, Nothing GDI-related came up regarding my problems ....so, please know I'm not trying to override any wonderful pertinent info found in the below posts (search "GDI Objects"). I just couldn't find any info and decided to post my own 'help me please'.... what can I say..... I had a moment. And to all who find this post wherever you are in this overwhelming site; it you've read this due to similar issues, as Robert said - click here: ----- http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us ----- You'll be amazed. learned, and perhaps scratching your head just a little bit less. Not all info may apply, but I promise - you walk away having learned something. Thank you again Robert.... whether all or any might apply to me (still testing .... you be my man! Take care, -zookeeperX =============================================== "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote: Quote: > (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint) > "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx Quote: > > IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium > > > > Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and then > > five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open. > Quote: > > At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring computer-wide > > only after originating from problems with ie7. > > > Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe task(s). > E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect) > or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be > caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects > gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can find > further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in quotes) > using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using. > > E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter: > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us > > and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; ) > > BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads > were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring > to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have > added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can > get Vista-specific responses. > > > HTH > > Robert Aldwinckle > ---
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11-20-2007	#7 (permalink)
Robert Aldwinckle n/a posts	Re: Right click stops working/New tabs stop working/Menu bar disap "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ABF9955F-E1A3-46D5-AD4D-B862BFF23442@xxxxxx Quote: > Well, now that's a real good thought, but it still leaves me having to > save/attempt2bookmark/print pages.... again, causing frustration and > backtracking my time which I'd rather not do. Not really. Use the option in the Alt-F4 dialog which says that you want to try to restart all those same pages the next time you open IE. --- Quote: > > I will keep it in mind if IE gets cranky on me when I'm less involved and > can afford the loss. > > It is a great work-around idea; thank you! > > -z > > ======================================== > > > "Sandy" wrote: > Quote: >> I have encountered the same problems. At least for now I have found the >> simplest solution to be to "log off" and then immediately log back on. That >> seems to clear the buffers or whatever and it only takes a few seconds. ....
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11-20-2007	#8 (permalink)
Robert Aldwinckle n/a posts	Re: Right click stops working/New tabs stop working/Menu bar disap "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:FD7AFDDF-4C9C-4E78-8ED1-9D203197B697@xxxxxx Quote: > Hey Robert, > > I'm over here in the search for GDI Objects" where you said to check. > Wow. > Wow, absolutely amazing. I must offer soooo many thanks for directing me > here as I would have NEVER ended up here on my own searching for my problems. > > What an amazing little place.... full of so much info; it's great!! > Thank you, thank you. I owe you one but could probably never pay up > > PS: to all who catch this/my orig post (here in GDI-land) - it was > cross-posted here to help anyone who might need help. As mentioned prior, (not cross-posted) Subject: UPDATE IE7 Right click/New tabs/Menus Issues UPDATE Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:25:01 -0800 Newsgroups: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general http://www.microsoft.com/communities...a-53618722edc3 Quote: > Nothing GDI-related came up regarding my problems ....so, please know I'm not > trying to override any wonderful pertinent info found in the below posts > (search "GDI Objects"). I just couldn't find any info and decided to post my > own 'help me please'.... what can I say..... I had a moment. Notice that I was only pointing out that GDI >9000 can cause the same symptoms that you are reporting. It is one example of a more general issue of resource shortage (which may be due to inefficient programming or bugs (e.g., in the form of leaks) or just a lack of tuning needed to adapt for a particular user's extraordinary needs.). Quote: > > And to all who find this post wherever you are in this overwhelming site; it > you've read this due to similar issues, as Robert said - click here: > ----- > http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us So, are any of the other numbers changing dramatically? Try taking note of the numbers for whatever set of tabs you have at that time. For this I think there are better tools than TM but I suppose you could try using Alt-PrintScrn and saving however many rightscrolls it would take to capture them all into a Clip Book. (Assuming Vista still has clipbrd.exe to Run... but hopefully something even better?) In fact for this case you could ignore cumulative statistics such as page faults and I/O counts which could reduce the number of screens you would have to capture. Hmm... I just checked in Process Explorer's Help. It has a feature which might be simpler than the proposed ClipBook idea. Supposedly once you have selected your iexplore.exe process it could be just as easy as pressing Ctrl-s... then finding the saved file and opening it with Notepad. (Seems to work.) <quote> When you choose File\|Save Process Explorer saves the contents of the Process and lower pane, if it is showing, as a tab-delimited text file. </quote> Another option which would be more work to set up but which would ultimately be more useful for comparing the statistics from multiple instances would be to use PerfMon to keep a log of the equivalent statistics we are interested in. And again, if there are any better tools now in Vista someone else is going to have to point them out to you. So, however you do it (even manually using Notepad <w>) get some numbers and then close your IE window, using the option which says that you want to reopen the same set of tabs the next time you start it again. Then compare the set of statistics for the new instance of the browser with the saved set. If you had a leak in the first instance it would probably be apparent as a much lower statistic in the second instance (e.g. not necessarily GDI Objects). BTW from the above search it looks as if you and WayneF could start commiserating: Subject: Re: IE uses too many GDI Objects (Slows PC) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:35:28 +0200 Newsgroups: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general http://www.microsoft.com/communities...b56&sloc=en-us <quote> Interesting that you can go to 9,900 GDI objects yet if i get to 6,000 ..... the computer is basically useless .... </quote> FWIW I think that in spite of the thread's Subject that GDI Objects may not be the issue. Hmm... that poster was using XP but found an article which apparently still applies to Vista too... http://weblogs.asp.net/israelio/arch...-resolved.aspx Quote: > ----- > > You'll be amazed. learned, and perhaps scratching your head just a little > bit less. Not all info may apply, but I promise - you walk away having > learned something. > > Thank you again Robert.... whether all or any might apply to me (still > testing .... you be my man! You're welcome. Good luck. Robert --- Quote: > > Take care, > -zookeeperX > > > =============================================== > > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote: > Quote: >> (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint) >> "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx Quote: >> > IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium >> > >> > Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and then >> > five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open. >> Quote: >> > At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring computer-wide >> > only after originating from problems with ie7. >> >> >> Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe task(s). >> E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect) >> or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be >> caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects >> gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can find >> further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string (in quotes) >> using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using. >> >> E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter: >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us >> >> and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; ) >> >> BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads >> were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically referring >> to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I have >> added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you can >> get Vista-specific responses. >> >> >> HTH >> >> Robert Aldwinckle >> ---
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11-20-2007	#9 (permalink)
zookeeperX n/a posts	Re: Right click stops working/New tabs stop working/Menu bar disap Robert, I posted an update, however it does not include any suggestions that you've posted here. That update was written late last night and I just ran across this msg. I will attempt to 'test' as you say below. BUT.... as of now, no matter what the outcome of my testing..... ..... memory leakage, no leakage..... IS THERE ANY ANSWER TO THESE ISSUES in your opinion? Something to allow fairly trouble-free browsing. Thanks again so very much for your interest and time here, -z ====================================== "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote: Quote: > "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:FD7AFDDF-4C9C-4E78-8ED1-9D203197B697@xxxxxx Quote: > > > Subject: UPDATE IE7 Right click/New tabs/Menus Issues UPDATE > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:25:01 -0800 Quote: > > Nothing GDI-related came up regarding my problems ....so, please know I'm not > > trying to override any wonderful pertinent info found in the below posts > > (search "GDI Objects"). I just couldn't find any info and decided to post my > > own 'help me please'.... what can I say..... I had a moment. > > Notice that I was only pointing out that GDI >9000 can cause the same > symptoms that you are reporting. It is one example of a more general > issue of resource shortage (which may be due to inefficient programming > or bugs (e.g., in the form of leaks) or just a lack of tuning needed to adapt > for a particular user's extraordinary needs.). > > > So, are any of the other numbers changing dramatically? > Try taking note of the numbers for whatever set of tabs you have > at that time. For this I think there are better tools than TM but > I suppose you could try using Alt-PrintScrn and saving however > many rightscrolls it would take to capture them all into a Clip Book. > (Assuming Vista still has clipbrd.exe to Run... but hopefully something > even better?) In fact for this case you could ignore cumulative statistics > such as page faults and I/O counts which could reduce the number of > screens you would have to capture. > > Hmm... I just checked in Process Explorer's Help. It has a feature > which might be simpler than the proposed ClipBook idea. Supposedly > once you have selected your iexplore.exe process it could be just as > easy as pressing Ctrl-s... then finding the saved file and opening it > with Notepad. (Seems to work.) > > <quote> > When you choose File\|Save Process Explorer saves the contents of > the Process and lower pane, if it is showing, as a tab-delimited text file. > </quote> > > Another option which would be more work to set up but which would ultimately > be more useful for comparing the statistics from multiple instances would be > to use PerfMon to keep a log of the equivalent statistics we are interested in. > And again, if there are any better tools now in Vista someone else is going > to have to point them out to you. > > So, however you do it (even manually using Notepad <w>) get some numbers > and then close your IE window, using the option which says that you want to > reopen the same set of tabs the next time you start it again. Then compare > the set of statistics for the new instance of the browser with the saved set. > If you had a leak in the first instance it would probably be apparent as a much > lower statistic in the second instance (e.g. not necessarily GDI Objects). > > BTW from the above search it looks as if you and WayneF could start commiserating: > > Subject: Re: IE uses too many GDI Objects (Slows PC) > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:35:28 +0200 > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities...b56&sloc=en-us > > <quote> > Interesting that you can go to 9,900 GDI objects yet if i get to 6,000 > ..... the computer is basically useless .... > </quote> > > FWIW I think that in spite of the thread's Subject that GDI Objects > may not be the issue. > > Hmm... that poster was using XP but found an article which apparently > still applies to Vista too... > > http://weblogs.asp.net/israelio/arch...-resolved.aspx > > You're welcome. Good luck. > > > Robert > ---
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11-20-2007	#10 (permalink)
Sandy n/a posts	Re: Right click stops working/New tabs stop working/Menu bar disap Another alternative would be to try using the Firefox browser. You can import your bookmarks and the functionality is comparable to IE but apparently much of the architecture is different and (arguably) less buggy. "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ABF9955F-E1A3-46D5-AD4D-B862BFF23442@xxxxxx Quote: > Well, now that's a real good thought, but it still leaves me having to > save/attempt2bookmark/print pages.... again, causing frustration and > backtracking my time which I'd rather not do. > > I will keep it in mind if IE gets cranky on me when I'm less involved and > can afford the loss. > > It is a great work-around idea; thank you! > > -z > > ======================================== > > > "Sandy" wrote: > Quote: >> I have encountered the same problems. At least for now I have found the >> simplest solution to be to "log off" and then immediately log back on. >> That >> seems to clear the buffers or whatever and it only takes a few seconds. >> >> >> "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:%23$s4UXsKIHA.3916@xxxxxx Quote: >> > (cross-post added to Vista Perf & Maint) >> > "zookeeperX" <zookeeperX@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> > news:412CC63D-0D6A-4079-BA7F-930D0D328B22@xxxxxx >> >> IE7 NASTY ISSUES with Vista Home Premium >> >> >> >> Okay, as many, once I'm online for one thing... one leads to two and >> >> then >> >> five --- ending up with quite a few tabs or a few windows open. >> > >> >> At a certain point.... BAM!!!....all sorts of issues start occuring >> >> computer-wide >> >> only after originating from problems with ie7. >> > >> > >> > Start looking periodically at any statistics for your iexplore.exe >> > task(s). >> > E.g. use Task Manager's Processes tab (with all statistics in effect) >> > or use Process Explorer (similarly modified). Your symptoms can be >> > caused by resource shortages. One specific example is if GDI Objects >> > gets over 9,000 the symptoms you list would start occurring. You can >> > find >> > further discussion involving this detail by searching for that string >> > (in >> > quotes) >> > using the web interface to newsgroups that you are using. >> > >> > E.g. press Alt-7, type "GDI Objects" and then press Enter: >> > >> > http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us >> > >> > and after this post this thread will be added to those results. ; ) >> > >> > BTW although most of the references to GDI Objects in those threads >> > were initiated by me and several of their OP were specifically >> > referring >> > to their symptoms while using Vista, I don't use Vista. Therefore I >> > have >> > added a cross-post to a Vista newsgroup to try to make sure that you >> > can >> > get Vista-specific responses. >> > >> > >> > HTH >> > >> > Robert Aldwinckle >> > --- >> > >> > >> >> >> >> At this "certain point", the following happens: >> >> #1: I can no longer right click within ie7. And once it starts there, >> >> I >> >> can >> >> no longer right click anywhere anywhere (desktop, etc). >> >> >> >> #2: I'll click on a new tab and it just won't happen. It tries to, I >> >> can >> >> see a quick shadow of the attempt (sometimes) but it just won't >> >> happen. >> >> Even >> >> if I choose new tab from the file menu - nope, ain't gonna happen. New >> >> window >> >> attempt also doesn't happen. >> >> >> >> #3: Not always initially, but the ie7 menu bar disappears. Oh, it >> >> shows >> >> it's still clicked on to show but nothing shows. And, at times, the >> >> menu >> >> bar >> >> still shows but won't let me click on it. Again, this only happens >> >> after >> >> new >> >> tab/right click stops working. >> >> >> >> #4: Maybe a non-issue? But many times just clicking a link takes 2 or >> >> more >> >> clicks to "make it happen" // to "speed up the connection" -- >> >> otherwise >> >> it >> >> sits in la la land again just thinking away (attempting to connect). >> >> I've >> >> a >> >> fast connection, so I know it's not on my end and usually (after the >> >> 2+ >> >> clicks) not to be on the hosting end either. My old computer never >> >> cried >> >> at >> >> me like this either. >> >> >> >> Closing ie and then reopening it doesn't help either.... it's still >> >> stuck >> >> in >> >> la la land. As is the rest of my computer. Many times, once the right >> >> click >> >> goes in ie, I can't access task manager --- so I'm stuck with a hard >> >> shutdown. And I hate hard shutdowns, as does the computer too. >> >> >> >> I've begun to "delicately" surf, careful to bkmrk pgs or open just a >> >> very >> >> few tabs/windows - but it seems as though maybe it's the amount of >> >> time I >> >> spend in ie7 perhaps, because I'll start to experience the same issues >> >> at >> >> some point or another still. I've seen only a few posts (no official >> >> MS >> >> support posts however) regarding the same problem(s) and have yet to >> >> see >> >> any >> >> answer or applicable answer to my situation. >> >> >> >> I'm on a 3 day old new laptop running Vista Home Premium. No new >> >> software >> >> installed by me (only factory Dell). No malicious anything onboard >> >> (scanned, >> >> etc). I initially rec'd a defective laptop first from Dell and it too >> >> experienced the same problems until I reformatted the drive and did a >> >> basic >> >> dwnload and install of ie7 just to get thru until the replacement >> >> laptop >> >> arrived. All flew along smoothly in that instance. And now, sadly, >> >> here I >> >> am >> >> with new laptop #2 and have the same ie7 issues that I originally had. >> >> I've >> >> kept the computer clean and am at my wits end as to what's up. >> >> >> >> One last thought, I know technology advances but you'd think it would >> >> in >> >> a >> >> good way...... in Win98, IE5 (i think, comp died don't remember) - I >> >> could >> >> open windows until the cows came home.... never an issue, and allowed >> >> me >> >> to >> >> happily surf/research away. So, there must be something up eh? >> >> >> >> Can anyone help? Suggest anything? I'd be mighty thankful to someone >> >> out >> >> there who has the answer(s). >> >> Basic Comp Specs: >> >> 2.0 gHz Intel processor, 4GB RAM (more than enough uumphh one would >> >> think) >> >> >> >> PS: I'm 15+ years computer-intelligent, so I hope it ain't just me. I >> >> do >> >> know that I'm not alone as I mentioned the few prior posts I've seen. >> >> I >> >> would >> >> be curious as to if it's a DELL thing (something they install) but no >> >> prior >> >> post mentioned if they were on a DELL computer. >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance for any help/thoughts/replies.... >> >> - zookeeperX >> > >> > >> >>
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