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| | Slow performance when working online with offline files We have Vista Business Laptops with Offline files enabled that sync with a 2003 server. About 12Gb of data is available offline. Performance Offline is fine. Performance when working online is very slow with continuous high level of HDD Activity and High number of Hard Page faults/sec (350 approx) Laptops are Core 2 Duo with 2Gb RAM. When the online status is changed in windows explorer from online to offline the HDD activity subsides and system responds normally. I have been trying to resolve this issue for about a month with no success. I am keen to roll out Vista but cannot proceed until this issue is resolved. Can anyone help please. |
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| | RE: Slow performance when working online with offline files More Info:- I am currently testing Vista in our XP Pro/2003 environment. The XP clients perform perfectly in the same setup. We are using Netgear Managed Switches. To give you an idea of what I mean by slow/fine. When working offline, Word 2007 (or example) will open in less than 2 secs. When working online it is likely to take at least 10 secs. The HDD is busy continuously, slowing performance to a crawl. Something else I have observed is that this High Disk Activity does not start until all of the files that the user has chosen to be offline have been downloaded into the cache as observed by Network Utilization in task manager. I have a feeling the problem may lay in Vista's background sync? All users are using roaming profiles (Stored on a seperate server) and Folder redirection for all profile folders. Help Please. |
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| | RE: Slow performance when working online with offline files I have a similar network with the same symtoms and currently looking fo a solution. I would like you to confirm a couple things. Open Task Manager on the affected Vista system, select the Performance Tab. Note the Cached and Free memory; our system eats the free and loads it all into cached. Then Open the Resource Monitor and expand the Memory group. Note the image svchost.exe (LocalSystemNetworkRestricted) will have escallating Hard faults. We have found that stopping the Offline Files Service eliminates the faults and restores system performance. Currenlty trying to get MS to explain and help fix. If behaviour is same for you, please notify and I will share info as received from MS. "gburnett" wrote: Quote: > We have Vista Business Laptops with Offline files enabled that sync with a > 2003 server. About 12Gb of data is available offline. Performance Offline is > fine. Performance when working online is very slow with continuous high level > of HDD Activity and High number of Hard Page faults/sec (350 approx) Laptops > are Core 2 Duo with 2Gb RAM. When the online status is changed in windows > explorer from online to offline the HDD activity subsides and system responds > normally. I have been trying to resolve this issue for about a month with no > success. I am keen to roll out Vista but cannot proceed until this issue is > resolved. Can anyone help please. |
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| | RE: Slow performance when working online with offline files Hi, Sounds like exactly the same issue. I have been working with Microsoft to resolve this since early April 08. I wonder if you could provide answers to the following? How much data do you want to be available offline (in Gb)? Are you using roaming profiles? Have you implemented Folder redirection. Your answers to these questions could prove useful. Thanks in anticipation. "IT Mentor" wrote: Quote: > I have a similar network with the same symtoms and currently looking fo a > solution. > I would like you to confirm a couple things. > Open Task Manager on the affected Vista system, select the Performance Tab. > Note the Cached and Free memory; our system eats the free and loads it all > into cached. > Then Open the Resource Monitor and expand the Memory group. > Note the image svchost.exe (LocalSystemNetworkRestricted) will have > escallating Hard faults. > We have found that stopping the Offline Files Service eliminates the faults > and restores system performance. > Currenlty trying to get MS to explain and help fix. > If behaviour is same for you, please notify and I will share info as > received from MS. > > > > "gburnett" wrote: > Quote: > > We have Vista Business Laptops with Offline files enabled that sync with a > > 2003 server. About 12Gb of data is available offline. Performance Offline is > > fine. Performance when working online is very slow with continuous high level > > of HDD Activity and High number of Hard Page faults/sec (350 approx) Laptops > > are Core 2 Duo with 2Gb RAM. When the online status is changed in windows > > explorer from online to offline the HDD activity subsides and system responds > > normally. I have been trying to resolve this issue for about a month with no > > success. I am keen to roll out Vista but cannot proceed until this issue is > > resolved. Can anyone help please. |
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| | RE: Slow performance when working online with offline files user has 12-15 GB of data we are using folder redirection are not using roaming profiles running a SBS2003R2 with ISA and MS Client Firewall and Symantec Endpoint Protection. Tried 2 laptops with clean installs with/out Firewall and Endpoint and got the same behavior. Works fine on a Vista B desktop. Only blowsup on the laptops. Should also be noted that I have another client with SBS2003R2 in production, only difference is SAV 10 instead of SEP 11. The laptop is running XP SP2, was using Synctoy here. Decided to try Offline files and Folder redirection for this user. Same performace issues showed up AND blew up the backup. Since then reverted to Synctoy and repaired backup and everything is fine. I share this because it might not be JUST a Vista issue. "gburnett" wrote: Quote: > Hi, > Sounds like exactly the same issue. I have been working with Microsoft to > resolve this since early April 08. I wonder if you could provide answers to > the following? > How much data do you want to be available offline (in Gb)? > Are you using roaming profiles? > Have you implemented Folder redirection. > Your answers to these questions could prove useful. > Thanks in anticipation. > > "IT Mentor" wrote: > Quote: > > I have a similar network with the same symtoms and currently looking fo a > > solution. > > I would like you to confirm a couple things. > > Open Task Manager on the affected Vista system, select the Performance Tab. > > Note the Cached and Free memory; our system eats the free and loads it all > > into cached. > > Then Open the Resource Monitor and expand the Memory group. > > Note the image svchost.exe (LocalSystemNetworkRestricted) will have > > escallating Hard faults. > > We have found that stopping the Offline Files Service eliminates the faults > > and restores system performance. > > Currenlty trying to get MS to explain and help fix. > > If behaviour is same for you, please notify and I will share info as > > received from MS. > > > > > > > > "gburnett" wrote: > > Quote: > > > We have Vista Business Laptops with Offline files enabled that sync with a > > > 2003 server. About 12Gb of data is available offline. Performance Offline is > > > fine. Performance when working online is very slow with continuous high level > > > of HDD Activity and High number of Hard Page faults/sec (350 approx) Laptops > > > are Core 2 Duo with 2Gb RAM. When the online status is changed in windows > > > explorer from online to offline the HDD activity subsides and system responds > > > normally. I have been trying to resolve this issue for about a month with no > > > success. I am keen to roll out Vista but cannot proceed until this issue is > > > resolved. Can anyone help please. |
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| | RE: Slow performance when working online with offline files Thanks for the info, I'm stiill working on this. We have no problems with offline files on our XP SP2 clients. It might seem a strange question, but are you using Office 2007? "IT Mentor" wrote: Quote: > user has 12-15 GB of data > we are using folder redirection > are not using roaming profiles > running a SBS2003R2 with ISA and MS Client Firewall and Symantec Endpoint > Protection. > Tried 2 laptops with clean installs with/out Firewall and Endpoint and got > the same behavior. > Works fine on a Vista B desktop. > Only blowsup on the laptops. > Should also be noted that I have another client with SBS2003R2 in > production, only difference is SAV 10 instead of SEP 11. > The laptop is running XP SP2, was using Synctoy here. > Decided to try Offline files and Folder redirection for this user. > Same performace issues showed up AND blew up the backup. > Since then reverted to Synctoy and repaired backup and everything is fine. > I share this because it might not be JUST a Vista issue. > > "gburnett" wrote: > Quote: > > Hi, > > Sounds like exactly the same issue. I have been working with Microsoft to > > resolve this since early April 08. I wonder if you could provide answers to > > the following? > > How much data do you want to be available offline (in Gb)? > > Are you using roaming profiles? > > Have you implemented Folder redirection. > > Your answers to these questions could prove useful. > > Thanks in anticipation. > > > > "IT Mentor" wrote: > > Quote: > > > I have a similar network with the same symtoms and currently looking fo a > > > solution. > > > I would like you to confirm a couple things. > > > Open Task Manager on the affected Vista system, select the Performance Tab. > > > Note the Cached and Free memory; our system eats the free and loads it all > > > into cached. > > > Then Open the Resource Monitor and expand the Memory group. > > > Note the image svchost.exe (LocalSystemNetworkRestricted) will have > > > escallating Hard faults. > > > We have found that stopping the Offline Files Service eliminates the faults > > > and restores system performance. > > > Currenlty trying to get MS to explain and help fix. > > > If behaviour is same for you, please notify and I will share info as > > > received from MS. > > > > > > > > > > > > "gburnett" wrote: > > > > > > > We have Vista Business Laptops with Offline files enabled that sync with a > > > > 2003 server. About 12Gb of data is available offline. Performance Offline is > > > > fine. Performance when working online is very slow with continuous high level > > > > of HDD Activity and High number of Hard Page faults/sec (350 approx) Laptops > > > > are Core 2 Duo with 2Gb RAM. When the online status is changed in windows > > > > explorer from online to offline the HDD activity subsides and system responds > > > > normally. I have been trying to resolve this issue for about a month with no > > > > success. I am keen to roll out Vista but cannot proceed until this issue is > > > > resolved. Can anyone help please. |
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| | RE: Slow performance when working online with offline files I am open to all possible questions. Both sites have one desktop with Office 2007 and do not have any Offline issues. I was able to recreate the behavior with different user accounts on the same system. Including the DomainAdminstrator, a member of Folder Operators, Power Users. Do you have any dbf, pst or other database files in the folders? "gburnett" wrote: Quote: > Thanks for the info, I'm stiill working on this. We have no problems with > offline files on our XP SP2 clients. It might seem a strange question, but > are you using Office 2007? > > "IT Mentor" wrote: > Quote: > > user has 12-15 GB of data > > we are using folder redirection > > are not using roaming profiles > > running a SBS2003R2 with ISA and MS Client Firewall and Symantec Endpoint > > Protection. > > Tried 2 laptops with clean installs with/out Firewall and Endpoint and got > > the same behavior. > > Works fine on a Vista B desktop. > > Only blowsup on the laptops. > > Should also be noted that I have another client with SBS2003R2 in > > production, only difference is SAV 10 instead of SEP 11. > > The laptop is running XP SP2, was using Synctoy here. > > Decided to try Offline files and Folder redirection for this user. > > Same performace issues showed up AND blew up the backup. > > Since then reverted to Synctoy and repaired backup and everything is fine. > > I share this because it might not be JUST a Vista issue. > > > > "gburnett" wrote: > > Quote: > > > Hi, > > > Sounds like exactly the same issue. I have been working with Microsoft to > > > resolve this since early April 08. I wonder if you could provide answers to > > > the following? > > > How much data do you want to be available offline (in Gb)? > > > Are you using roaming profiles? > > > Have you implemented Folder redirection. > > > Your answers to these questions could prove useful. > > > Thanks in anticipation. > > > > > > "IT Mentor" wrote: > > > > > > > I have a similar network with the same symtoms and currently looking fo a > > > > solution. > > > > I would like you to confirm a couple things. > > > > Open Task Manager on the affected Vista system, select the Performance Tab. > > > > Note the Cached and Free memory; our system eats the free and loads it all > > > > into cached. > > > > Then Open the Resource Monitor and expand the Memory group. > > > > Note the image svchost.exe (LocalSystemNetworkRestricted) will have > > > > escallating Hard faults. > > > > We have found that stopping the Offline Files Service eliminates the faults > > > > and restores system performance. > > > > Currenlty trying to get MS to explain and help fix. > > > > If behaviour is same for you, please notify and I will share info as > > > > received from MS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "gburnett" wrote: > > > > > > > > > We have Vista Business Laptops with Offline files enabled that sync with a > > > > > 2003 server. About 12Gb of data is available offline. Performance Offline is > > > > > fine. Performance when working online is very slow with continuous high level > > > > > of HDD Activity and High number of Hard Page faults/sec (350 approx) Laptops > > > > > are Core 2 Duo with 2Gb RAM. When the online status is changed in windows > > > > > explorer from online to offline the HDD activity subsides and system responds > > > > > normally. I have been trying to resolve this issue for about a month with no > > > > > success. I am keen to roll out Vista but cannot proceed until this issue is > > > > > resolved. Can anyone help please. |
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| | Re: Slow performance when working online with offline files I too have performance problems, Vista and sync offline files is very slow. At logon, the HD is very active and the interface is more or less unresponsible. One time I waited for 15 minutes after logon and still the interface (start meny, desktop, task bar) was unresponsive (the pointer was a circle). Eventually I turned the computer off. I sync about 17GB (windows\CSC is 17GB large), photos, videos and documents TXT files, icons. All our 3 vista computers have same problem, HD activity and unresponsive at logon. Laptop Vista Ultimate core 2 duo t7500 4gb 667 dell xps m1530 MoTD (desktop with mobile components) Vista Ultimate core 2 duo t7700 AOpen i965GMt-LA Core 2 duo 4GB 667 ram 2.5" hardrive WD Scorpio desktop Gigabyte GA965-ds4 2GB ram core 2 duo e6600 vista ultimate -- darkultra ------------------------------------------------------------------------ darkultra's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=50821 View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=941320 http://forums.techarena.in |
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| | Re: Slow performance when working online with offline files Try waiting for the downloading of each share you want to be available offline, before requesting another share to be available. The easiest way to monitior the download is by clicking the network tab in task manager. When network utilization is around Zero, request another share to be available offline. |
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| | Re: Slow performance when working online with offline files Microsoft underachieved with the support sessions (3 - verrry long ones). We could not correct the behavior of the Offline Files Service and related memory errors with LocalSystemNetworkRestricted. We are cutting our losses. We have "Downgraded" to Windows XP Pro. Very disapointing. "gburnett" wrote: Quote: > Try waiting for the downloading of each share you want to be available > offline, before requesting another share to be available. The easiest way to > monitior the download is by clicking the network tab in task manager. When > network utilization is around Zero, request another share to be available > offline. |
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