Vista - O&O Defrag versus Microsoft Defrag in Vista

Out of curiosity I wanted to do a side-by-side test of Microsoft Defrag
versus O&O Defrag, and was shocked...

Microsoft Defrag announced at its completion all drives defragmented. When I
loaded O&O Defrag next, it reported that the hard drive was 78% fragmented!!

Whats going on with Microsoft Defrag? Why would it tell me defrag done at
78% fragmentation? (with O&O Defrag you can actualy look at each cluster and
see listings of what sections of what files occupy that cluster and sure
enough there was very wide fragmentation everywhere)

Does Microsoft Defrag work? Or does it have a level of "acceptable
fragmentation" (although I cant imagine why it would think 78% fragmentation
is acceptable)

"MB@MI, USA" <MBMIUSA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5BD3B3DF-62EE-42C4-861F-60D02C0EDE42@microsoft.com...
> Out of curiosity I wanted to do a side-by-side test of Microsoft Defrag
> versus O&O Defrag, and was shocked...
>
> Microsoft Defrag announced at its completion all drives defragmented. When
> I
> loaded O&O Defrag next, it reported that the hard drive was 78%
> fragmented!!
>
> Whats going on with Microsoft Defrag? Why would it tell me defrag done at
> 78% fragmentation?

Well it might be that you've found a bug, after all Vista is still beta
software.

More importantly, different defrag programs have very different ideas about
how to defrag a drive, what constitutes a defragged drive, what difference a
particular pattern of files will make to performance, etc.

--
--
Robert Moir
Microsoft MVP
www.robertmoir.com

Whoever dumbed down defrag in Vista; ouuta be fired-IMHO
Jeff

"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "MB@MI, USA" <MBMIUSA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:5BD3B3DF-62EE-42C4-861F-60D02C0EDE42@microsoft.com...
>> Out of curiosity I wanted to do a side-by-side test of Microsoft Defrag
>> versus O&O Defrag, and was shocked...
>>
>> Microsoft Defrag announced at its completion all drives defragmented.
>> When I
>> loaded O&O Defrag next, it reported that the hard drive was 78%
>> fragmented!!
>>
>> Whats going on with Microsoft Defrag? Why would it tell me defrag done at
>> 78% fragmentation?
>
> Well it might be that you've found a bug, after all Vista is still beta
> software.
>
> More importantly, different defrag programs have very different ideas
> about how to defrag a drive, what constitutes a defragged drive, what
> difference a particular pattern of files will make to performance, etc.
>
> --
> --
> Robert Moir
> Microsoft MVP
> www.robertmoir.com

"Jeff" <alemaker@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:ecXFV3x3GHA.512@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Whoever dumbed down defrag in Vista; ouuta be fired-IMHO
> Jeff

I'm disappointed too, as it happens. What they've done makes perfect sense
at the machine level but shows absolutely no idea of how people interact
with their computer.

Ah,
Robert,
We agree-lol
:-)
Jeff
P.S. As you well know; command line defrag works fine;but I miss all the
colors.
LOL

"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff" <alemaker@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:ecXFV3x3GHA.512@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Whoever dumbed down defrag in Vista; ouuta be fired-IMHO
>> Jeff
>
> I'm disappointed too, as it happens. What they've done makes perfect sense
> at the machine level but shows absolutely no idea of how people interact
> with their computer.

With all of the ooo and ahhh of vista, I miss the colors as well.

Please give me a "more information" button, so I know how long I have to
wait...
--
John

PC: (XPS Gen 1) laptop
Mem 1 gb
processor P4 3.4
Video ATI 9800 256 MB
Vista RC1 build 5600/5728 dual boot
Base score 4.3


"Jeff" wrote:

> Ah,
> Robert,
> We agree-lol
> :-)
> Jeff
> P.S. As you well know; command line defrag works fine;but I miss all the
> colors.
> LOL
>
> "Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:AA511AB8-CCED-4C71-A149-A6F667EC4CAB@microsoft.com...
> >
> > "Jeff" <alemaker@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:ecXFV3x3GHA.512@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> Whoever dumbed down defrag in Vista; ouuta be fired-IMHO
> >> Jeff
> >
> > I'm disappointed too, as it happens. What they've done makes perfect sense
> > at the machine level but shows absolutely no idea of how people interact
> > with their computer.
>
>

JJ wrote:
> With all of the ooo and ahhh of vista, I miss the colors as well.
>
> Please give me a "more information" button, so I know how long I have
> to wait...

Yeah. People can talk all day about how much the pictures were worth but not
having any kind of estimate of time left, percentage complete or whatever is
just inexplicable.

Actually, long story short, I've got so annoyed with Vista on my main
machine that I've put XP back on. I'm still running RC1 in a dual boot
config on my Apple MacBook though, for testing, but I'm stunned that such a
ropey piece of software is considered near enough to release to call it a
release candidate.

--
--
Robert Moir
Microsoft MVP
www.robertmoir.com

Not ready to ditch yet, though dealing with the UAC system just to allow the
defrag -v -c command (yes I need the information, but still no time estimate)
was a bit frustrating to the standard user.

It seems that there are two levels of information - very "dumbed-down" user
information and the IT Pro information (with whole web sites of "exciting"
information!)

Hey, I hope I can speak for some Vista users out there (at least for home
use) - include the "more detail" option for every application. Let the users
decide the level of information that they want. One would believe that this
is the true test of a RC ready piece of software.

--
John

PC: (XPS Gen 1) laptop
Mem 1 gb
processor P4 3.4
Video ATI 9800 256 MB
Vista RC1 build 5600
Base score 4.3


"news.microsoft.com" wrote:

> JJ wrote:
> > With all of the ooo and ahhh of vista, I miss the colors as well.
> >
> > Please give me a "more information" button, so I know how long I have
> > to wait...
>
> Yeah. People can talk all day about how much the pictures were worth but not
> having any kind of estimate of time left, percentage complete or whatever is
> just inexplicable.
>
> Actually, long story short, I've got so annoyed with Vista on my main
> machine that I've put XP back on. I'm still running RC1 in a dual boot
> config on my Apple MacBook though, for testing, but I'm stunned that such a
> ropey piece of software is considered near enough to release to call it a
> release candidate.
>
> --
> --
> Robert Moir
> Microsoft MVP
> www.robertmoir.com
>
>
>

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:31:01 -0700, MB@MI, USA
<MBMIUSA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Out of curiosity I wanted to do a side-by-side test of Microsoft Defrag
>versus O&O Defrag, and was shocked...

Which build of O&O are you running?
I remember that I tried one version that I couldnt install.

I'm gonna try diskeeper 10 beta for build 5600 now... so I can
uninstall the crappy auslogic disk defrag (which is very quick btw).

Telstar,
I have Diskeeper 10 and loaded Vista RC 1 and Diskeeper 10 works.Now I did a
manually defrag and it did good.Was some files that it coulndn't open to
defrag but that was a small amount.And I have to research to find out how to
get these open so Diskeeper can do its job.
--
Thank you
astro999


"Telstar" wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 04:31:01 -0700, MB@MI, USA
> <MBMIUSA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Out of curiosity I wanted to do a side-by-side test of Microsoft Defrag
> >versus O&O Defrag, and was shocked...
>
> Which build of O&O are you running?
> I remember that I tried one version that I couldnt install.
>
> I'm gonna try diskeeper 10 beta for build 5600 now... so I can
> uninstall the crappy auslogic disk defrag (which is very quick btw).
>