Complete PC Restore-Jill (MSFT)

Jeff, this might have been addressed already. I was just in the process of
burning a Vista DVD. I'll give this a run-through and see if there is any
clarifying text for this.

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"Jeff" <S.cerevesiae@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:OXodnZM6GHA.4692@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Jill,
> Hi,
> Being a noob to Complete backup; I had a heck of a time using it
> correctly.
> Didn't realize you had to insert the last dvd first; and nowhere in the
> wizard;or help; is this explained.(Build 5728)
> Is there going to be clarification about this? Bugged it as broke;cuz I
> didn't know; and there was no explanation in Vista; as to the fact that
> the last dvd has to be installed first.
> Any clarification?
>
> Jeff
>

Jill,
That'de be great if you could check; because if it got me all
confused;(which;I freely admit;is easy-cept in network!!)
Lots of people will get confused;because the wizard expressly tells you to
number the backup dvd's; and my logic was; #1 means #1;
Definetly not Jeffproof!!! LOL :-)
I tried it at least 4 times before I figured out that #1 is actually #2 when
you go to run it.

Jeff

"Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <jillz@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:OPDsamM6GHA.4064@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Jeff, this might have been addressed already. I was just in the process of
> burning a Vista DVD. I'll give this a run-through and see if there is any
> clarifying text for this.
>
> --
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> rights.
>
> Want to learn more about Windows Server file and storage technologies?
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>
>
> "Jeff" <S.cerevesiae@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:OXodnZM6GHA.4692@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Jill,
>> Hi,
>> Being a noob to Complete backup; I had a heck of a time using it
>> correctly.
>> Didn't realize you had to insert the last dvd first; and nowhere in the
>> wizard;or help; is this explained.(Build 5728)
>> Is there going to be clarification about this? Bugged it as broke;cuz
>> I didn't know; and there was no explanation in Vista; as to the fact that
>> the last dvd has to be installed first.
>> Any clarification?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
>

When writing to "multiple CD/DVD's, the very last thing that is written is a
record as to where each individual file is located. In order to restore from
a multiple set you have to start from the last disk, so this information can
be loaded into memory. Otherwise, how would the backup program know where to
find the individual files you wish to restore.

It has been such since the first backup program (that allowed disk
splitting) was developed - about 15 years now. Of course in the beginning
people were backing up to multiple floppies.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Jeff" <S.cerevesiae@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:OXodnZM6GHA.4692@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Jill,
> Hi,
> Being a noob to Complete backup; I had a heck of a time using it
> correctly.
> Didn't realize you had to insert the last dvd first; and nowhere in the
> wizard;or help; is this explained.(Build 5728)
> Is there going to be clarification about this? Bugged it as broke;cuz I
> didn't know; and there was no explanation in Vista; as to the fact that
> the last dvd has to be installed first.
> Any clarification?
>
> Jeff
>

Rich,
Yup;we went over this before;but now that I've got someone's ear at
Redmond; I'm just asking if it's being looked into; for us backup noobs!!!
:-)
Jeff



"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23JNtPQN6GHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> When writing to "multiple CD/DVD's, the very last thing that is written is
> a record as to where each individual file is located. In order to restore
> from a multiple set you have to start from the last disk, so this
> information can be loaded into memory. Otherwise, how would the backup
> program know where to find the individual files you wish to restore.
>
> It has been such since the first backup program (that allowed disk
> splitting) was developed - about 15 years now. Of course in the beginning
> people were backing up to multiple floppies.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
> "Jeff" <S.cerevesiae@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:OXodnZM6GHA.4692@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Jill,
>> Hi,
>> Being a noob to Complete backup; I had a heck of a time using it
>> correctly.
>> Didn't realize you had to insert the last dvd first; and nowhere in the
>> wizard;or help; is this explained.(Build 5728)
>> Is there going to be clarification about this? Bugged it as broke;cuz
>> I didn't know; and there was no explanation in Vista; as to the fact that
>> the last dvd has to be installed first.
>> Any clarification?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>
>

Now, don't go renumbering your disks as per your concept, or you will really
become confused (-:

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Jeff" <S.cerevesiae@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:O43KuON6GHA.4568@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Jill,
> That'de be great if you could check; because if it got me all
> confused;(which;I freely admit;is easy-cept in network!!)
> Lots of people will get confused;because the wizard expressly tells you to
> number the backup dvd's; and my logic was; #1 means #1;
> Definetly not Jeffproof!!! LOL :-)
> I tried it at least 4 times before I figured out that #1 is actually #2
> when you go to run it.
>
> Jeff
>
> "Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <jillz@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:OPDsamM6GHA.4064@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Jeff, this might have been addressed already. I was just in the process
>> of burning a Vista DVD. I'll give this a run-through and see if there is
>> any clarifying text for this.
>>
>> --
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>> Want to learn more about Windows Server file and storage technologies?
>> Visit our team blog at http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx.
>>
>>
>> "Jeff" <S.cerevesiae@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:OXodnZM6GHA.4692@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Jill,
>>> Hi,
>>> Being a noob to Complete backup; I had a heck of a time using it
>>> correctly.
>>> Didn't realize you had to insert the last dvd first; and nowhere in the
>>> wizard;or help; is this explained.(Build 5728)
>>> Is there going to be clarification about this? Bugged it as broke;cuz
>>> I didn't know; and there was no explanation in Vista; as to the fact
>>> that the last dvd has to be installed first.
>>> Any clarification?
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>
>>
>

Jill,
Hi,
Being a noob to Complete backup; I had a heck of a time using it
correctly.
Didn't realize you had to insert the last dvd first; and nowhere in the
wizard;or help; is this explained.(Build 5728)
Is there going to be clarification about this? Bugged it as broke;cuz I
didn't know; and there was no explanation in Vista; as to the fact that the
last dvd has to be installed first.
Any clarification?

Jeff

I'm pretty sure I've seen this complaint before and that we changed the text
to address it. I tried doing a restore yesterday but only had a single DVD. I
didn't see any new text but it's possible it's coming in a later build. I
will try to find the bug for this and confirm the build number, but it might
not happen today.

"Jeff" wrote:

> Rich,
> Yup;we went over this before;but now that I've got someone's ear at
> Redmond; I'm just asking if it's being looked into; for us backup noobs!!!
> :-)
> Jeff
>
>
>
> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23JNtPQN6GHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > When writing to "multiple CD/DVD's, the very last thing that is written is
> > a record as to where each individual file is located. In order to restore
> > from a multiple set you have to start from the last disk, so this
> > information can be loaded into memory. Otherwise, how would the backup
> > program know where to find the individual files you wish to restore.
> >
> > It has been such since the first backup program (that allowed disk
> > splitting) was developed - about 15 years now. Of course in the beginning
> > people were backing up to multiple floppies.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Richard Urban
> > Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> > (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
> >
> > Quote from George Ankner:
> > If you knew as much as you think you know,
> > You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >
> > "Jeff" <S.cerevesiae@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:OXodnZM6GHA.4692@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> Jill,
> >> Hi,
> >> Being a noob to Complete backup; I had a heck of a time using it
> >> correctly.
> >> Didn't realize you had to insert the last dvd first; and nowhere in the
> >> wizard;or help; is this explained.(Build 5728)
> >> Is there going to be clarification about this? Bugged it as broke;cuz
> >> I didn't know; and there was no explanation in Vista; as to the fact that
> >> the last dvd has to be installed first.
> >> Any clarification?
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

OK, I've found the bug where this was changed. At the top of the restore
page where the location and most recent backups are listed, the new text
states "If the desired backup is not shown, exit this program, attach the
hard disk or insert the last backup DVD, and retry the restore."

I think this text should already be in the build you have. It was fixed back
in July.


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"Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <jillz@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A133C05A-01A0-4CC9-B96B-2EF595C684BF@microsoft.com...
> I'm pretty sure I've seen this complaint before and that we changed the
> text
> to address it. I tried doing a restore yesterday but only had a single
> DVD. I
> didn't see any new text but it's possible it's coming in a later build. I
> will try to find the bug for this and confirm the build number, but it
> might
> not happen today.
>
> "Jeff" wrote:
>
>> Rich,
>> Yup;we went over this before;but now that I've got someone's ear at
>> Redmond; I'm just asking if it's being looked into; for us backup
>> noobs!!!
>> :-)
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23JNtPQN6GHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> > When writing to "multiple CD/DVD's, the very last thing that is written
>> > is
>> > a record as to where each individual file is located. In order to
>> > restore
>> > from a multiple set you have to start from the last disk, so this
>> > information can be loaded into memory. Otherwise, how would the backup
>> > program know where to find the individual files you wish to restore.
>> >
>> > It has been such since the first backup program (that allowed disk
>> > splitting) was developed - about 15 years now. Of course in the
>> > beginning
>> > people were backing up to multiple floppies.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Richard Urban
>> > Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> > (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>> >
>> > Quote from George Ankner:
>> > If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> > You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>> >
>> > "Jeff" <S.cerevesiae@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:OXodnZM6GHA.4692@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >> Jill,
>> >> Hi,
>> >> Being a noob to Complete backup; I had a heck of a time using it
>> >> correctly.
>> >> Didn't realize you had to insert the last dvd first; and nowhere in
>> >> the
>> >> wizard;or help; is this explained.(Build 5728)
>> >> Is there going to be clarification about this? Bugged it as
>> >> broke;cuz
>> >> I didn't know; and there was no explanation in Vista; as to the fact
>> >> that
>> >> the last dvd has to be installed first.
>> >> Any clarification?
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>

Jill,
Finally got around to it; and yes; in 5744 the verbiage is changed.
Good; not for me;because now I know, but for countless others. LOL

Jeff

"Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <jillz@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:OsLfU2W6GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> OK, I've found the bug where this was changed. At the top of the restore
> page where the location and most recent backups are listed, the new text
> states "If the desired backup is not shown, exit this program, attach the
> hard disk or insert the last backup DVD, and retry the restore."
>
> I think this text should already be in the build you have. It was fixed
> back in July.
>
>
> --
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> Want to learn more about Windows Server file and storage technologies?
> Visit our team blog at http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx.
>
>
> "Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <jillz@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:A133C05A-01A0-4CC9-B96B-2EF595C684BF@microsoft.com...
>> I'm pretty sure I've seen this complaint before and that we changed the
>> text
>> to address it. I tried doing a restore yesterday but only had a single
>> DVD. I
>> didn't see any new text but it's possible it's coming in a later build. I
>> will try to find the bug for this and confirm the build number, but it
>> might
>> not happen today.
>>
>> "Jeff" wrote:
>>
>>> Rich,
>>> Yup;we went over this before;but now that I've got someone's ear at
>>> Redmond; I'm just asking if it's being looked into; for us backup
>>> noobs!!!
>>> :-)
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23JNtPQN6GHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> > When writing to "multiple CD/DVD's, the very last thing that is
>>> > written is
>>> > a record as to where each individual file is located. In order to
>>> > restore
>>> > from a multiple set you have to start from the last disk, so this
>>> > information can be loaded into memory. Otherwise, how would the backup
>>> > program know where to find the individual files you wish to restore.
>>> >
>>> > It has been such since the first backup program (that allowed disk
>>> > splitting) was developed - about 15 years now. Of course in the
>>> > beginning
>>> > people were backing up to multiple floppies.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Richard Urban
>>> > Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>>> > (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>> >
>>> > Quote from George Ankner:
>>> > If you knew as much as you think you know,
>>> > You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>> >
>>> > "Jeff" <S.cerevesiae@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:OXodnZM6GHA.4692@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> >> Jill,
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >> Being a noob to Complete backup; I had a heck of a time using it
>>> >> correctly.
>>> >> Didn't realize you had to insert the last dvd first; and nowhere in
>>> >> the
>>> >> wizard;or help; is this explained.(Build 5728)
>>> >> Is there going to be clarification about this? Bugged it as
>>> >> broke;cuz
>>> >> I didn't know; and there was no explanation in Vista; as to the fact
>>> >> that
>>> >> the last dvd has to be installed first.
>>> >> Any clarification?
>>> >>
>>> >> Jeff
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>
>