Vista - GUI for the Defrag tool...

All,

Please restore the gui to vista. I know you want it to be seemless but we,
as users, would like to have some control and idea what's occuring.

It would also be useful to provide metrics for defragmentation pre, post
etc. Apply this in Gui form, estimate performance gains etc.

Also - MFT defrag? Any chance?

Thank you

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:48:01 -0800, Johnathonm wrote:

> All,
>
> Please restore the gui to vista. I know you want it to be seemless but we,
> as users, would like to have some control and idea what's occuring.
>
> It would also be useful to provide metrics for defragmentation pre, post
> etc. Apply this in Gui form, estimate performance gains etc.
>
> Also - MFT defrag? Any chance?
>
> Thank you
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
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> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...ce_maintenance

Agree - My temporary "solution" -- When I dual boot to WinXP I run the XP
defrag (analysis only) & I can at least see how bad things are on the Vista
partition.

Sadly,

In my view, I should have to migrate back to an older OS to have baseline
functionality alone those lines. The loss of a gui and further visible
refinements was, in my view, a poor choice on MSFT's end.

-JM

"Barry" wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:48:01 -0800, Johnathonm wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > Please restore the gui to vista. I know you want it to be seemless but we,
> > as users, would like to have some control and idea what's occuring.
> >
> > It would also be useful to provide metrics for defragmentation pre, post
> > etc. Apply this in Gui form, estimate performance gains etc.
> >
> > Also - MFT defrag? Any chance?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...ce_maintenance
>
> Agree - My temporary "solution" -- When I dual boot to WinXP I run the XP
> defrag (analysis only) & I can at least see how bad things are on the Vista
> partition.
>

JM....

> In my view, I should have to migrate back to an older OS to have
> baseline
> functionality alone those lines. The loss of a gui and further
> visible
> refinements was, in my view, a poor choice on MSFT's end.

Then simply replace the MSFT defrag with one that suits your needs
better. Take a look at Auslogics defragger (free). Works fine in Vista
and is GUI.

--
Gregg Hommel

The defrag UI was removed because it was confusing to many XP users (so says
MS, don't shoot the messenger here). And further, the Vista defrag tool
doesn't attempt to gather fragments greater than 64MB in size since they
don't contribute to measurable performance gain. Seeing the result of that in
a UI would certainly confuse users who would be expecting a more complete
experience. You can override this behavior with the command line defrag tool.

Stuart.
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"Johnathonm" wrote:

> All,
>
> Please restore the gui to vista. I know you want it to be seemless but we,
> as users, would like to have some control and idea what's occuring.
>
> It would also be useful to provide metrics for defragmentation pre, post
> etc. Apply this in Gui form, estimate performance gains etc.
>
> Also - MFT defrag? Any chance?
>
> Thank you
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...ce_maintenance

Johnathonm wrote:
> Sadly,
>
> In my view, I should have to migrate back to an older OS to have
> baseline functionality alone those lines. The loss of a gui and
> further visible refinements was, in my view, a poor choice on MSFT's
> end.

Couple of things here...

Firstly, a few people from Microsoft have posted on this subject here in the
past and linked to a blog post (sorry don't have the link to hand) that told
us something quite incredible - The XP defrag dialogue was telling us lies
all along. Not on purpose you understand, apparently it just wasn't very
accurate in terms of representing fragmentation very well or in the more
mundane things such as reporting progress on the defrag task.

So they made the decision to withdraw the gui for now, rather than leave
something in that patently gives you false information. Which brings me to
another point - using the defrag tool from an older version of Windows is
deceptive for two reasons - it works in a different way from the defrag tool
in Vista, and the XP defrag tool is, as I said above, known to lie.

This is also a point in comparing one defragger to another. Different defrag
tools have different ideas on how to manage the filesystem, and about what
makes a well managed hard disk layout and what does not. So any time you see
two defrag tools make different claims about a disk, it doesn't have to mean
that one of them (usually the favourate tool of whoever is performing the
test) is right and the other is wrong, just that they have different ideas
about what 'right' really means.

Secondly, did you know that Windows users are the only users who obsess so
much over disk fragmentation? It's virtually a non issue for users of other
operating systems such as Linux or Mac OSX for several reasons, not the
least of which being that those operating systems take care of their file
systems automatically without sitting up and begging for a pat on the head
and a doggie biscuit every time they keep themselves running properly.

This is part of what I think Microsoft would like to achieve with Vista.
Removing the old inaccurate gui but greatly improving the automated
maintenance abilities of the file systems means that in theory you should
just be able to use your computer without worrying too much about what the
disks are doing.

Only time will tell if they succeeded, of course, but in the meantime why
not give them the benefit of the doubt on this one? If you want to watch
blocks move around the screen in a way that actually doesn't have any real
relationship with what is actually happening to your hard drive, then why
not start defrag running and play a game of tetris while it takes place?

Regards
Rob

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:48:01 -0000, Johnathonm
<Johnathonm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> Please restore the gui to vista. I know you want it to be seemless but
> we,
> as users, would like to have some control and idea what's occuring.
>
> It would also be useful to provide metrics for defragmentation pre, post
> etc. Apply this in Gui form, estimate performance gains etc.
>
> Also - MFT defrag? Any chance?
>
> Thank you
>

Just buy a copy of PerfectDisk 8, MUCH better than any bundled defrag
tool. 50% discount until Tuesday.. (see below)

Raxco is pleased to offer you the ability to purchase PerfectDisk 8 w/
Vista & XP Support at 50% off of the regular price. That's about $20 for a
single license copy and all you have to do is go to the Raxco Download
Store, add PerfectDisk 8 to your cart, enter Coupon Code DEFRAGVISTANOW,
and you're all set. But, you better hurry as the code expires soon.
** Code DEFRAGVISTANOW has been extended to expire at midnight on Tuesday
December 19, 2006.

The main reason I would like to see some sort of GUI interface in Vista's
defragger is to get at least a guess if I have a few miuntes or days to do
before it is done.

I realize that I can get Perfect Disk or some other 3rd party defragger.
However, I would like to have an OS for a change that doesn't need add on 3rd
party software to run properly. Let's see..... get a 3rd party defragger,
then get a 3rd party anti-virus program, then get a 3rd party boot manager
the actually works, etc........

"Mark Gillespie" wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:48:01 -0000, Johnathonm
> <Johnathonm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > Please restore the gui to vista. I know you want it to be seemless but
> > we,
> > as users, would like to have some control and idea what's occuring.
> >
> > It would also be useful to provide metrics for defragmentation pre, post
> > etc. Apply this in Gui form, estimate performance gains etc.
> >
> > Also - MFT defrag? Any chance?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
>
> Just buy a copy of PerfectDisk 8, MUCH better than any bundled defrag
> tool. 50% discount until Tuesday.. (see below)
>
> Raxco is pleased to offer you the ability to purchase PerfectDisk 8 w/
> Vista & XP Support at 50% off of the regular price. That's about $20 for a
> single license copy and all you have to do is go to the Raxco Download
> Store, add PerfectDisk 8 to your cart, enter Coupon Code DEFRAGVISTANOW,
> and you're all set. But, you better hurry as the code expires soon.
> ** Code DEFRAGVISTANOW has been extended to expire at midnight on Tuesday
> December 19, 2006.
>

Suggestions should be made directly to MS to ensure they are seen. Most of
the MS webcast presenters suggest using mswish@microsoft.com. That is the
email address for feature requests and enhancements.

"Johnathonm" <Johnathonm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CD2313D6-A3C9-4D94-916D-59C6441422D0@microsoft.com...
> All,
>
> Please restore the gui to vista. I know you want it to be seemless but
> we,
> as users, would like to have some control and idea what's occuring.
>
> It would also be useful to provide metrics for defragmentation pre, post
> etc. Apply this in Gui form, estimate performance gains etc.
>
> Also - MFT defrag? Any chance?
>
> Thank you
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...ce_maintenance

I know the Windows XP Defrag was not accurate, but what about the Defrag
tool that was in Window 9xMe? What ever happen to that? Why could Microsoft
use that GUI and make it work with the NTFS and could of made it bettter.



"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:706F8D7E-DF5E-4AEA-A197-6662EA6612B7@microsoft.com...
> Suggestions should be made directly to MS to ensure they are seen. Most
> of the MS webcast presenters suggest using mswish@microsoft.com. That is
> the email address for feature requests and enhancements.
>
> "Johnathonm" <Johnathonm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CD2313D6-A3C9-4D94-916D-59C6441422D0@microsoft.com...
>> All,
>>
>> Please restore the gui to vista. I know you want it to be seemless but
>> we,
>> as users, would like to have some control and idea what's occuring.
>>
>> It would also be useful to provide metrics for defragmentation pre, post
>> etc. Apply this in Gui form, estimate performance gains etc.
>>
>> Also - MFT defrag? Any chance?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> ----------------
>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> "I
>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> this
>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> then
>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>
>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...ce_maintenance
>