Vista - Re: Vista slow boot with USB external drive

"Casey" <Casey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> Hi,
> If my Western Digital MyBook 250 GB drive is connected when I boot Vista,
> it
> takes ~3 minutes longer to boot than normal. Does anyone have an idea
> what's
> going on with the drive during the startup process?
>
> Booting without it connected, startup moves quickly from the green
> progress
> bar screen to the windows "orb" screen, and so on.
>
> Booting with the drive connected, the screen goes black for a few minutes
> after the green progress bar screen disappears. I can hear disk activity
> on
> the drive, but I don't know what Vista is doing with it. Vista then starts
> normally.
>
> I've tried the following, to no avail:
> - Changing the boot order in my BIOS such that only my internal hdd is
> listed and booting from other devices is disabled.
> - Turning on/off legacy USB 1.1 support
> - Disabling indexing on the drive
> - Disabling readyboost and some other services
> - Deleting the drive's partition and doing a complete format
>
> When booting with the usb connected, I see in the ntblog.txt that
> hidusb.sys
> and mouhid.sys are loaded. Without the usb connected, those two .sys files
> aren't loaded, but cdfs.sys is.
>
> I would appreciate any and all help.

It's a BIOS issue and depends on the external drive. I have that effect in
XP (in a dual boot with Vista though the effect was there before Vista was
installed), where one external drive causes a delay and two others don't.
None of the drives causes any delay in booting Vista.

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Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

"Rock" wrote:

> "Casey" <Casey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> > Hi,
> > If my Western Digital MyBook 250 GB drive is connected when I boot Vista,
> > it
> > takes ~3 minutes longer to boot than normal. Does anyone have an idea
> > what's
> > going on with the drive during the startup process?
> >
> > Booting without it connected, startup moves quickly from the green
> > progress
> > bar screen to the windows "orb" screen, and so on.
> >
> > Booting with the drive connected, the screen goes black for a few minutes
> > after the green progress bar screen disappears. I can hear disk activity
> > on
> > the drive, but I don't know what Vista is doing with it. Vista then starts
> > normally.
> >
> > I've tried the following, to no avail:
> > - Changing the boot order in my BIOS such that only my internal hdd is
> > listed and booting from other devices is disabled.
> > - Turning on/off legacy USB 1.1 support
> > - Disabling indexing on the drive
> > - Disabling readyboost and some other services
> > - Deleting the drive's partition and doing a complete format
> >
> > When booting with the usb connected, I see in the ntblog.txt that
> > hidusb.sys
> > and mouhid.sys are loaded. Without the usb connected, those two .sys files
> > aren't loaded, but cdfs.sys is.
> >
> > I would appreciate any and all help.
>
> It's a BIOS issue and depends on the external drive. I have that effect in
> XP (in a dual boot with Vista though the effect was there before Vista was
> installed), where one external drive causes a delay and two others don't.
> None of the drives causes any delay in booting Vista.
>
> --
> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
>

Rock,
Thanks for the input.

Why would a BIOS-related issue behave differently in XP vs. Vista? I would
think that such a thing would be OS-independent. (Yours has the effect in XP
and not Vista, while mine shows the delay in Vista but not XP.)

My BIOS is the most recent release for my motherboard, and since my
motherboard is older, I don't expect that there will be any new BIOS releases
made. Is this the kind of thing I can ever expect a fix for in Vista?

Thanks,
Casey

"Casey" <Casey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote

> "Rock" wrote:
>
>> "Casey" <Casey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
>> > Hi,
>> > If my Western Digital MyBook 250 GB drive is connected when I boot
>> > Vista,
>> > it
>> > takes ~3 minutes longer to boot than normal. Does anyone have an idea
>> > what's
>> > going on with the drive during the startup process?
>> >
>> > Booting without it connected, startup moves quickly from the green
>> > progress
>> > bar screen to the windows "orb" screen, and so on.
>> >
>> > Booting with the drive connected, the screen goes black for a few
>> > minutes
>> > after the green progress bar screen disappears. I can hear disk
>> > activity
>> > on
>> > the drive, but I don't know what Vista is doing with it. Vista then
>> > starts
>> > normally.
>> >
>> > I've tried the following, to no avail:
>> > - Changing the boot order in my BIOS such that only my internal hdd is
>> > listed and booting from other devices is disabled.
>> > - Turning on/off legacy USB 1.1 support
>> > - Disabling indexing on the drive
>> > - Disabling readyboost and some other services
>> > - Deleting the drive's partition and doing a complete format
>> >
>> > When booting with the usb connected, I see in the ntblog.txt that
>> > hidusb.sys
>> > and mouhid.sys are loaded. Without the usb connected, those two .sys
>> > files
>> > aren't loaded, but cdfs.sys is.
>> >
>> > I would appreciate any and all help.
>>
>> It's a BIOS issue and depends on the external drive. I have that effect
>> in
>> XP (in a dual boot with Vista though the effect was there before Vista
>> was
>> installed), where one external drive causes a delay and two others don't.
>> None of the drives causes any delay in booting Vista.
>>
>> --
>> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
>>
>
> Rock,
> Thanks for the input.
>
> Why would a BIOS-related issue behave differently in XP vs. Vista? I
> would
> think that such a thing would be OS-independent. (Yours has the effect in
> XP
> and not Vista, while mine shows the delay in Vista but not XP.)
>
> My BIOS is the most recent release for my motherboard, and since my
> motherboard is older, I don't expect that there will be any new BIOS
> releases
> made. Is this the kind of thing I can ever expect a fix for in Vista?

No, I wouldn't think so.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

I am seeing the same slow boot problem as Casey. The machine is dual
boot with XP PRO and VISTA ULTIMATE. No problem on XP. With the WD
external drive plugged in during boot on VISTA, it takes ’forever’.

Machine is an HP1350N.

Update: Did some crude timings

XP boot with USB drive adds 5 seconds
VISTA boot with USB drive adds 34 seconds

Just so happens these times are also the same amount of time it takes
for each system to recognize the drive when plugged on a running
system.

"Rock" wrote:
> "Casey" <Casey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
>
> > "Rock" wrote:
> >
> >> "Casey" <Casey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> >> > Hi,
> >> > If my Western Digital MyBook 250 GB drive is connected
> when I boot
> >> > Vista,
> >> > it
> >> > takes ~3 minutes longer to boot than normal. Does anyone
> have an idea
> >> > what's
> >> > going on with the drive during the startup process?
> >> >
> >> > Booting without it connected, startup moves quickly from
> the green
> >> > progress
> >> > bar screen to the windows "orb" screen, and so on.
> >> >
> >> > Booting with the drive connected, the screen goes black
> for a few
> >> > minutes
> >> > after the green progress bar screen disappears. I can
> hear disk
> >> > activity
> >> > on
> >> > the drive, but I don't know what Vista is doing with it.
> Vista then
> >> > starts
> >> > normally.
> >> >
> >> > I've tried the following, to no avail:
> >> > - Changing the boot order in my BIOS such that only my
> internal hdd is
> >> > listed and booting from other devices is disabled.
> >> > - Turning on/off legacy USB 1.1 support
> >> > - Disabling indexing on the drive
> >> > - Disabling readyboost and some other services
> >> > - Deleting the drive's partition and doing a complete
> format
> >> >
> >> > When booting with the usb connected, I see in the
> ntblog.txt that
> >> > hidusb.sys
> >> > and mouhid.sys are loaded. Without the usb connected,
> those two .sys
> >> > files
> >> > aren't loaded, but cdfs.sys is.
> >> >
> >> > I would appreciate any and all help.
> >>
> >> It's a BIOS issue and depends on the external drive. I
> have that effect
> >> in
> >> XP (in a dual boot with Vista though the effect was there
> before Vista
> >> was
> >> installed), where one external drive causes a delay and two
> others don't.
> >> None of the drives causes any delay in booting Vista.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
> >>
> >
> > Rock,
> > Thanks for the input.
> >
> > Why would a BIOS-related issue behave differently in XP vs.
> Vista? I
> > would
> > think that such a thing would be OS-independent. (Yours has
> the effect in
> > XP
> > and not Vista, while mine shows the delay in Vista but not
> XP.)
> >
> > My BIOS is the most recent release for my motherboard, and
> since my
> > motherboard is older, I don't expect that there will be any
> new BIOS
> > releases
> > made. Is this the kind of thing I can ever expect a fix for
> in Vista?
>
> No, I wouldn't think so.
>
> --
> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

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"Bill" <none@000.com> wrote
>I am seeing the same slow boot problem as Casey. The machine is dual
> boot with XP PRO and VISTA ULTIMATE. No problem on XP. With the WD
> external drive plugged in during boot on VISTA, it takes 'forever'.
>
> Machine is an HP1350N.
>
> Update: Did some crude timings
>
> XP boot with USB drive adds 5 seconds
> VISTA boot with USB drive adds 34 seconds
>
> Just so happens these times are also the same amount of time it takes
> for each system to recognize the drive when plugged on a running
> system.

> "Rock" wrote:
> > "Casey" <Casey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> >
> > > "Rock" wrote:
> > >
> > >> "Casey" <Casey@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> > If my Western Digital MyBook 250 GB drive is connected
> > when I boot
> > >> > Vista,
> > >> > it
> > >> > takes ~3 minutes longer to boot than normal. Does anyone
> > have an idea
> > >> > what's
> > >> > going on with the drive during the startup process?
> > >> >
> > >> > Booting without it connected, startup moves quickly from
> > the green
> > >> > progress
> > >> > bar screen to the windows "orb" screen, and so on.
> > >> >
> > >> > Booting with the drive connected, the screen goes black
> > for a few
> > >> > minutes
> > >> > after the green progress bar screen disappears. I can
> > hear disk
> > >> > activity
> > >> > on
> > >> > the drive, but I don't know what Vista is doing with it.
> > Vista then
> > >> > starts
> > >> > normally.
> > >> >
> > >> > I've tried the following, to no avail:
> > >> > - Changing the boot order in my BIOS such that only my
> > internal hdd is
> > >> > listed and booting from other devices is disabled.
> > >> > - Turning on/off legacy USB 1.1 support
> > >> > - Disabling indexing on the drive
> > >> > - Disabling readyboost and some other services
> > >> > - Deleting the drive's partition and doing a complete
> > format
> > >> >
> > >> > When booting with the usb connected, I see in the
> > ntblog.txt that
> > >> > hidusb.sys
> > >> > and mouhid.sys are loaded. Without the usb connected,
> > those two .sys
> > >> > files
> > >> > aren't loaded, but cdfs.sys is.
> > >> >
> > >> > I would appreciate any and all help.
> > >>
> > >> It's a BIOS issue and depends on the external drive. I
> > have that effect
> > >> in
> > >> XP (in a dual boot with Vista though the effect was there
> > before Vista
> > >> was
> > >> installed), where one external drive causes a delay and two
> > others don't.
> > >> None of the drives causes any delay in booting Vista.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
> > >>
> > >
> > > Rock,
> > > Thanks for the input.
> > >
> > > Why would a BIOS-related issue behave differently in XP vs.
> > Vista? I
> > > would
> > > think that such a thing would be OS-independent. (Yours has
> > the effect in
> > > XP
> > > and not Vista, while mine shows the delay in Vista but not
> > XP.)
> > >
> > > My BIOS is the most recent release for my motherboard, and
> > since my
> > > motherboard is older, I don't expect that there will be any
> > new BIOS
> > > releases
> > > made. Is this the kind of thing I can ever expect a fix for
> > in Vista?
> >
> > No, I wouldn't think so.

In this system the delay only occurs in XP, and it's about the same as you
see, 30 seconds. Also of two USB drives only one delays the XP boot. It
doesn't matter what the BIOS settings are set to re legacy USB.

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Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]