Vista - Help with Restore point creation

No, Jill. I have Home Premium. But I'll checkout your blogs.
Thanks again for the advise.


"Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" <jillz@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> William, glad to hear the reinstall worked for you. I hate to recommend
> that, but in your case that's what I would've done myself.
>
> You ask good questions about restore points. We've written up how this
> works in our blog at
> http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/arc...ows-vista.aspx
> (sorry for the long URL). This will tell you how to see how many restore
> points you have, how much space they use, etc.
>
> Are you using Ultimate version? If so, you could take a Complete PC Backup
> of your newly configured computer and save it on DVD. This is a kind of
> "point in time" image of your computer. Note that you could also save this
> to hard disk, but we use incrementals for all but the newest image, so
> eventually your very first Complete PC Backup will be purged as the
> restore points age. See the above article for more info.
>
> --
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> Want to learn more about Windows file and storage technologies? Visit our
> team blog at http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx.

For anyone reading this chain and went to the referenced blog
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/arc...ows-vista.aspx,
you found a reference to an "elevated command prompt". If this phrase was
new to you as it was to me, this is not accessed from the "Run..." Start
menu link. If you are running in the Classic mode, then, from the Start
button, the path is Programs...Accessories...Command Prompt. With the
cursor over the Command Prompt link, press the right mouse button and use
the "Run as administrator" function or else the command you enter will tell
you that you do not have permission (Yea, Microsoft). -----Has anyone
noticed that the Help and Support function is more of a "What is" rather
than a "How to"!

Jill, if your still with me, I ran your "vssadmin list shadowstorage".
Mine basically said, Used 5 GB, Allocated space 6 GB, and Max space 35 GB.
I can see that the 35 GB is the 15% you mentioned. But, only 6 GB is
Allocated? Microsoft keeps the system backup a "Microsoft thing", but only
allocates 6 GB for it?

A funny anecdote: Long, long ago, in a land far, far away...back in the
days when hard drives were 10 and 20 MB (YES, Mega), I had bought a 60 MB
and everyone told me, "You'll never use all THAT space!"

I don't suppose the "shadowstorage" area is Administrator adjustable (I mean
on the HP model). I know, dumb question. I'm just a stupid user.

By-the-by, thanks for the feedback on the "good questions". But, as a
former boss of mine used to tell me, "That will never happen, because it
makes to much sense".

Keep smiling...it makes them worry!


"William Beard" <wabeard6596@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> No, Jill. I have Home Premium. But I'll checkout your blogs.
> Thanks again for the advise.
>
>

William, I'm glad you hung in there and got things resolved.
--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

"William Beard" <wabeard6596@yahoo.com> wrote
> For anyone reading this chain and went to the referenced blog
> http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/arc...ows-vista.aspx,
> you found a reference to an "elevated command prompt". If this phrase was
> new to you as it was to me, this is not accessed from the "Run..." Start
> menu link. If you are running in the Classic mode, then, from the Start
> button, the path is Programs...Accessories...Command Prompt. With the
> cursor over the Command Prompt link, press the right mouse button and use
> the "Run as administrator" function or else the command you enter will
> tell you that you do not have permission (Yea, Microsoft). -----Has
> anyone noticed that the Help and Support function is more of a "What is"
> rather than a "How to"!
>
> Jill, if your still with me, I ran your "vssadmin list shadowstorage".
> Mine basically said, Used 5 GB, Allocated space 6 GB, and Max space 35
> GB. I can see that the 35 GB is the 15% you mentioned. But, only 6 GB is
> Allocated? Microsoft keeps the system backup a "Microsoft thing", but
> only allocates 6 GB for it?
>
> A funny anecdote: Long, long ago, in a land far, far away...back in the
> days when hard drives were 10 and 20 MB (YES, Mega), I had bought a 60 MB
> and everyone told me, "You'll never use all THAT space!"
>
> I don't suppose the "shadowstorage" area is Administrator adjustable (I
> mean on the HP model). I know, dumb question. I'm just a stupid user.
>
> By-the-by, thanks for the feedback on the "good questions". But, as a
> former boss of mine used to tell me, "That will never happen, because it
> makes to much sense".
>
> Keep smiling...it makes them worry!
>
>
> "William Beard" <wabeard6596@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9686D301-1F8A-4262-A233-03F93F5ADDD5@microsoft.com...
>> No, Jill. I have Home Premium. But I'll checkout your blogs.
>> Thanks again for the advise.

Hi Jill, Rock...
I found a Vista supported BeLarc Advisor online.
http://belarc.com/free_download.html
It told me a lot about my computer and the software in it.
It even told my about thirteen patches from MS that I was missing.
When I shutdown, the patches were there to be installed during the shutdown
process.
I found that a little odd, but neither NAV, the Defender, or the Vista
security complained.
Check it out...it's FREE.


"Rock" <Rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> William, I'm glad you hung in there and got things resolved.
> --
> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
>

William,

We only allocate as much space as is needed, up to the maximum. The
allocation is done in chunks, so it's always a bit more than what is
actually used. By doing this allocation on demand, you don't have to
permanently give up that 35 GB.

The shadow storage space is adjustable using the vssadmin resize
shadowstorage command. I've seen cases where the new setting doesn't stick,
though. You could give this a try if you'd like, but there is probably no
need since you are well under the maximum.

Sorry about the elevated command prompt confusion--I should've been more
explicit about that in the article.

--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

Want to learn more about Windows file and storage technologies? Visit our
team blog at http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx.


"William Beard" <wabeard6596@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> For anyone reading this chain and went to the referenced blog
> http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/arc...ows-vista.aspx,
> you found a reference to an "elevated command prompt". If this phrase was
> new to you as it was to me, this is not accessed from the "Run..." Start
> menu link. If you are running in the Classic mode, then, from the Start
> button, the path is Programs...Accessories...Command Prompt. With the
> cursor over the Command Prompt link, press the right mouse button and use
> the "Run as administrator" function or else the command you enter will
> tell you that you do not have permission (Yea, Microsoft). -----Has
> anyone noticed that the Help and Support function is more of a "What is"
> rather than a "How to"!
>
> Jill, if your still with me, I ran your "vssadmin list shadowstorage".
> Mine basically said, Used 5 GB, Allocated space 6 GB, and Max space 35
> GB. I can see that the 35 GB is the 15% you mentioned. But, only 6 GB is
> Allocated? Microsoft keeps the system backup a "Microsoft thing", but
> only allocates 6 GB for it?
>
> A funny anecdote: Long, long ago, in a land far, far away...back in the
> days when hard drives were 10 and 20 MB (YES, Mega), I had bought a 60 MB
> and everyone told me, "You'll never use all THAT space!"
>
> I don't suppose the "shadowstorage" area is Administrator adjustable (I
> mean on the HP model). I know, dumb question. I'm just a stupid user.
>
> By-the-by, thanks for the feedback on the "good questions". But, as a
> former boss of mine used to tell me, "That will never happen, because it
> makes to much sense".
>
> Keep smiling...it makes them worry!
>
>
> "William Beard" <wabeard6596@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9686D301-1F8A-4262-A233-03F93F5ADDD5@microsoft.com...
>> No, Jill. I have Home Premium. But I'll checkout your blogs.
>> Thanks again for the advise.
>>
>>

"William Beard" <wabeard6596@yahoo.com> wrote> Hi Jill, Rock...
> I found a Vista supported BeLarc Advisor online.
> http://belarc.com/free_download.html
> It told me a lot about my computer and the software in it.
> It even told my about thirteen patches from MS that I was missing.
> When I shutdown, the patches were there to be installed during the
> shutdown process.
> I found that a little odd, but neither NAV, the Defender, or the Vista
> security complained.
> Check it out...it's FREE.

> "Rock" <Rock@nospam.net> wrote
>> William, I'm glad you hung in there and got things resolved.

Thanks, I have used Belarc in XP, just haven't gotten around to it in Vista
yet. I will give it a go. Interesting what you pointed out about updates.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

This 'Restore point creation disabled by Group Policy' issue has only just
been noticed on my computer. I've had no problem in the past doing a manual
Restore Point (usually prior to any new software installation - and nothing
much recently) but today I discovered I don't have access to highlighting the
C: Drive and the above quote is next to 'Create'.

Before coming to this site I tried rolling back my computer a week and still
nothing - so either its firmly embedded or was an issue earlier. Can't help
feel its something in a Windows Update (or, perhaps, a Firefox update) that
has buggered things up.

As above with William, I am sole user, the Administrator, on a stand alone
computer - and again, until not too long ago, manual System Restore Points
were not a problem.

Bigger concern is that if Group Policy is set on this (without my input)
what other programs are going to fail to work as I've been 'locked out' of
control? No way MS can advise home Administrators on how to control Group
Policy?

A complete reinstall (First Refuge of Confused Techs Everywhere) is hardly a
solution.....

Real solution anyone?