Vista - Very disappointed with Vista's performance especially gaming!

In article <46ae8ff1$0$30623$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
allGeek@hownerdy.com says...
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2118469b8177c8b1989891@adfree.Usenet.com...
> > In article <F36328FC-2BA5-41CD-9E00-A85E295B4B36@microsoft.com>,
> > GusKline@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> >> I have Vista Business on an Asus A8N5X with an AMD 4800 X2 AMD x1800xt 2
> >> gigs ram with a 250 Gig HD. Have XP Pro on an Asus A8N5X with AMD 4600 X2
> >> Nvidia 7900GT 2 gigs ram and 120 gig HD. The XP machine feels quicker
> >
> > I have Vista Business on a ASUS PC-DL Deluxe motherboard, Dual 2.8ghz
> > Xeon CPU (with Hyper threading enabled), Mirrored 200GB SATA drives, 4GB
> > RAM, and a cheap 128MB AGP card and I can say that on the exact SAME
> > computer, that XP and/or Server 2003 provides MUCH BETTER PERFORMANCE.
> >
>
> Yes for 32 bit apps, but when trying to run 32 bit apps on a 64 bit OS it
> goes to crap because it has to emulate 32 bit.

Yep, and the majority of systems are 32 bit as are the applications.

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Geekboy did you read my post? I said I tried both and the 64 bit was faster
to load in general and in benchmarks than the 32bit vista so your 32 bit
application on 64bit OS theory doesn't appear to be true.

"Joe Corey" <klrjoe@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Geekboy did you read my post? I said I tried both and the 64 bit was
> faster to load in general and in benchmarks than the 32bit vista so your
> 32 bit application on 64bit OS theory doesn't appear to be true.

It's not a "theory", it's a fact

If you are still having problems the you prob have a defective motherboard
or some other part.

I have had those bad notherboards where for some reason the board ran like
crap and I exchanged out the board and it ran a heck of a lot faster.

I have a cousin same problem with a bad MB on a laptop.
Everything I did the thing just ran like crap....even just booting seemed to
take forever.

Exhanged it under warranty..problem solved.

>
> It's not a "theory", it's a fact
>
> If you are still having problems the you prob have a defective motherboard
> or some other part.
>
> I have had those bad notherboards where for some reason the board ran like
> crap and I exchanged out the board and it ran a heck of a lot faster.
>
> I have a cousin same problem with a bad MB on a laptop.
> Everything I did the thing just ran like crap....even just booting seemed
> to take forever.
>
> Exhanged it under warranty..problem solved.


None of my parts are defective and I am not having any "problems" All of my
benchmarks and games perform well just not nearly as fast as XP. I have XP
still on another drive and if I boot from that it is fast as can be. Bottom
line is VIsta at this point cannot compete with XP for performance. Just
because that is true does not mean I have faulty hardware.

"Joe Corey" <klrjoe@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> >
>> It's not a "theory", it's a fact
>>
>> If you are still having problems the you prob have a defective
>> motherboard or some other part.
>>
>> I have had those bad notherboards where for some reason the board ran
>> like crap and I exchanged out the board and it ran a heck of a lot
>> faster.
>>
>> I have a cousin same problem with a bad MB on a laptop.
>> Everything I did the thing just ran like crap....even just booting seemed
>> to take forever.
>>
>> Exhanged it under warranty..problem solved.
>
>
> None of my parts are defective and I am not having any "problems" All of
> my benchmarks and games perform well just not nearly as fast as XP. I have
> XP still on another drive and if I boot from that it is fast as can be.
> Bottom line is VIsta at this point cannot compete with XP for performance.
> Just because that is true does not mean I have faulty hardware.

If that is the case, then I think the problem lies in with your video.
With PCIE it perform a lot better than with AGP.

If I had $300 to spare, I would solve my slower Vista performance problem.
I had bought a $75 nVidia 7300 back in March, but it only increased te Index
Peformance by .7
That sucks.

What is is your perforance index rated at?

I don't have AGP I have an Nvidia 8800GTS, that is a PCI express card

With that index, there must be something else going on.

Maybe you should run 3rd party peformance tests like the ones PC Magazine or
Ziff Davis uses for their opinon on a cmputer.


"Joe Corey" <klrjoe@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I don't have AGP I have an Nvidia 8800GTS, that is a PCI express card

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:25:42 -0500, "GeekBoy" wrote:
>"Lord Takyon" <takyon@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> "Joe Corey" <klrjoe@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>> You might have misunderstood me. I have a 64bit cpu and a 64bit OS. I
>>> have run both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions on this system. Don't see
>>> much of a performance difference at all. If anything 64 bit seems faster.

>The same thing occured when Windows 95 came out and people running 16 bit
>apps on the 32 bit OS.

>He is going to either go back to 32 bit or by another computer with a 32 bit
>CPU.

False, in that the transition from 32-bit to 64-bit is nothing like
the 16-bit to 32-bit.


In the Win95 / NT 3.x era, new processors such as the Pentium Pro and
(to a lesser extent) the Pentium II were heavily optimised for 32-bit
code, whereas older processors were not. So there was a large YMMV
element in 16-bit vs. 32-bit code performance.

In that era, the move to 32-bit came after the processor hardware had
been in place throughout the 386, 486 and Pentium generations. It
took ages for OS and software to catch up, and the new 32-bit code
world was vastly different in ways beyond addresing range - think
pre-emptive multitasking, hypervisor control over application code,
virtual memory paging, address relocation, etc.


In this era of early 64-bit computing, we do have completely new
64-bit processors, but they have remained niche products. What you
currently refer to as "64-bit" processors are merely variations of
32-bit processors with 64-bit addressability added on.

So aside from the ability to address larger scopes, such as > 4G RAM,
there really isn'yt much inherent value in moving to 64-bit computing.
Much of what value there is, has been compatibility-shedding security
enhancements such as PatchGuard, mandatory driver signing, etc.


The downsides of 64-bit are a far smaller subset of compatible drivers
and utilities. Other applications generally don't need to care
whether they are on a 32-bit or "64-bit" platform, though 64-bit users
would like them to make use of 64-bit addressability.

In particular, consider your WinPE 2.0 maintenance OS:
- WinPE 2.0 64-bit will not access 32-bit Vista, and vice versa
- so you have to use 64-bit WinPE 2.0
- 64-bit WinPE 2.0 will not run 64-bit programs
- so you have to use 64-bit av, data recovery, diagnostic etc. tools

It's hard enough to find maintenance tools that will work from WinPE,
without them having to be 64-bit as well.


In particular, the assertion that "he is going to either go back to 32
bit or b(u)y another computer with a 32 bit CPU" is totally absurd.
All current CPUs are likely to have 64-bit support, and that means all
current (new) PCs are running Vista32 on "64-bit" CPUs.



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Couple of points to consider. First, the 8800 is an awesome board, but
nVidia's drivers have been problems...do you keep up with the latest drivers
of the week?

Raid slows things down too - are you using hardware raid or software? Do you
really need raid?

Have you tweaked the system to enhance performance? Turn off the sidebar,
disable the Windows Search service. Download Microsoft's "autoruns" utility
to see what's in your startup, and get rid of a lot of it. What are you
running for antivirus?

Dana Cline - MCE MVP

"Joe Corey" <klrjoe@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:540E8EFD-505E-44D5-B502-1E2C37F3E502@microsoft.com...
>I must say after 3 months now I am very disappointed with Vista Ultimate
>x64 when it comes to gaming and general performance. I have a core2 e6600,
>4gb of DDR II 800MHZ, 2 raptor X 150GB 10,000rpm hard drives in a RAID-0
>and the darn thing is still considerably slower at EVERYTHING than my XP
>pro which is installed onto a single Samsung spin-point 40gb drive! I fail
>to see how something that is supposedly better and more modern is so much
>slower. I doubled the ram from 2 to 4gb and it made no noticeable
>difference in load times or hd activity while gaming. THe background tasks
>are supposed to be low priority but the just happen to coincide with lag?
>Programs like MS Flight SIM X and BF2, BF 2142 take forever to load in
>comparison not to mention there are frequent lag spikes during game play. I
>just feel that for Gaming Vista is a huge step backwards. I hope that
>future updates/service packs do something for the performance because so
>far I am not seeing any reason to continue using Vista on a Gaming PC. All
>of my hardware is vista x64 compatible and I have latest drivers and BIOS.
>It's just Vista. It's slow!!!

I am no longer running raid but it was hardware raid-0 or striped.

I am always getting the latest drivers for the 8800.

I have tweaked the system about as much as I can without losing
functionality. Disabled indexing, sidebar, system restore. Not much help.

My performance is not by any means poor, the only thing that was
disappointing to me (very disappointing I might add) is the fact that my XP
partition loads so much faster, is so much more responsive. I can click
multiple things without waiting and the hard drive isnt running all the
time. With 10krpm Raptors this is very annoying to listen to all the time

I don't think that a newer more modern system should be that much slower.
With that being said I think my rating is not bad at all (5.2) and I have
seen numerous other systems with ratings of 2 or 3. It's all relative to XP.
Maybe I'm just asking to much for it to be as fast...

"Dana Cline" <dana@logicsmith.com> wrote in message
news:%23RUAF%23T1HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Couple of points to consider. First, the 8800 is an awesome board, but
> nVidia's drivers have been problems...do you keep up with the latest
> drivers of the week?
>
> Raid slows things down too - are you using hardware raid or software? Do
> you really need raid?
>
> Have you tweaked the system to enhance performance? Turn off the sidebar,
> disable the Windows Search service. Download Microsoft's "autoruns"
> utility to see what's in your startup, and get rid of a lot of it. What
> are you running for antivirus?
>
> Dana Cline - MCE MVP
>
> "Joe Corey" <klrjoe@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:540E8EFD-505E-44D5-B502-1E2C37F3E502@microsoft.com...
>>I must say after 3 months now I am very disappointed with Vista Ultimate
>>x64 when it comes to gaming and general performance. I have a core2 e6600,
>>4gb of DDR II 800MHZ, 2 raptor X 150GB 10,000rpm hard drives in a RAID-0
>>and the darn thing is still considerably slower at EVERYTHING than my XP
>>pro which is installed onto a single Samsung spin-point 40gb drive! I fail
>>to see how something that is supposedly better and more modern is so much
>>slower. I doubled the ram from 2 to 4gb and it made no noticeable
>>difference in load times or hd activity while gaming. THe background tasks
>>are supposed to be low priority but the just happen to coincide with lag?
>>Programs like MS Flight SIM X and BF2, BF 2142 take forever to load in
>>comparison not to mention there are frequent lag spikes during game play.
>>I just feel that for Gaming Vista is a huge step backwards. I hope that
>>future updates/service packs do something for the performance because so
>>far I am not seeing any reason to continue using Vista on a Gaming PC. All
>>of my hardware is vista x64 compatible and I have latest drivers and BIOS.
>>It's just Vista. It's slow!!!
>