I already checked many other forums but all I see is disappointment about the
"most embarrassing release ever by Microsoft".
Anybody here who can help:
- If I delete 100 files it takes about 1 second per file to delete
- If I look up my server it takes seconds for my PC to recognize the network
and let me access files
- If I delete my Recycle bin it tells me 45 Minutes estimated time to delete
!!!!
- Start Outlook 2007 – about 1 minute later it is ready to use…
And so it goes on.
I bought a brand new HP DV6000 Vista pre installed, DualCore CPU and 2GB RAM.

Is there a good way to go back to XP? I think Vista is just not ready and if
2,000 Vista Engineers can't get it done in 5 years I guess they won’t be able
to build this in the next 2 years.
I also agree this is the most embarrassing release ever for a 30 year old
company with 30,000+ people and 2 products (office and Windows).

I have no where near the slowness you refer and my computer is a few
years old.

Has your computer always been like this?
Or has it gotten worse since purchase?
Have you performed a Clean Installation to help ensure a bad
installation is not the cause?

Do you have the latest drivers?
Do not assume a new computer is shipped with the latest drivers.

If all else fails, contact HP for warranty support or a return before
that option expires.
You have something going on other than just Vista.

As for going back to Windows XP, if the computer shipped with Vista,
there is nothing to go back to.
Ask HP for options.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Axel" <Axel@xxxxxx> wrote in message
newsF2AA190-0660-4CB3-95F1-41DEC10011EE@xxxxxx

>I already checked many other forums but all I see is disappointment
>about the
> "most embarrassing release ever by Microsoft".
> Anybody here who can help:
> - If I delete 100 files it takes about 1 second per file to delete
> - If I look up my server it takes seconds for my PC to recognize the
> network
> and let me access files
> - If I delete my Recycle bin it tells me 45 Minutes estimated time
> to delete
> !!!!
> - Start Outlook 2007 – about 1 minute later it is ready to use…
> And so it goes on.
> I bought a brand new HP DV6000 Vista pre installed, DualCore CPU and
> 2GB RAM.
>
> Is there a good way to go back to XP? I think Vista is just not
> ready and if
> 2,000 Vista Engineers can't get it done in 5 years I guess they won’t
> be able
> to build this in the next 2 years.
> I also agree this is the most embarrassing release ever for a 30
> year old
> company with 30,000+ people and 2 products (office and Windows).

"Axel" <Axel@xxxxxx> wrote in message
newsF2AA190-0660-4CB3-95F1-41DEC10011EE@xxxxxx

>I already checked many other forums but all I see is disappointment about
>the
> "most embarrassing release ever by Microsoft".
> Anybody here who can help:
> - If I delete 100 files it takes about 1 second per file to delete
> - If I look up my server it takes seconds for my PC to recognize the
> network
> and let me access files
> - If I delete my Recycle bin it tells me 45 Minutes estimated time to
> delete
> !!!!
> - Start Outlook 2007 – about 1 minute later it is ready to use…
> And so it goes on.
> I bought a brand new HP DV6000 Vista pre installed, DualCore CPU and 2GB
> RAM.

Here is your problem: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This means tons of "bloatware" installed by HP that slows down the
performance of your computer.
Go and try to uninstall all those HP items.

>
> Is there a good way to go back to XP? I think Vista is just not ready and
> if
> 2,000 Vista Engineers can't get it done in 5 years I guess they won’t be
> able
> to build this in the next 2 years.
> I also agree this is the most embarrassing release ever for a 30 year old
> company with 30,000+ people and 2 products (office and Windows).
>

New computers are worthless upon arrival because of all the "freeware" and
"trial ware" that the manufacturers install upon them.

If you were to get the machine stripped bare of all of this, you would see
what the actual capabilities of your machine (using Vista) are. Then, as you
load each individual item, you would see the impact that it has on the
computer and operating system.

I "always" load clean. The initial boot is fast beyond my expectations. Then
I install my antivirus. System slows down. Then I install some anti-spyware
programs. System slows down more.

After about three hours of installing and rebooting - the initial lightning
bolt now takes 2 1/2 minutes to reach the desktop.

But because your computer came with all of this crapware already installed -
you were not privileged to see the individual slow downs that each
successive application install adds to the boot time.

So, start fresh. Get rid of everything. Install Vista and the necessary
drivers. Then, make an image of your system (you do use TrueImage, don't
you). Install your antivirus of choice. Reboot a couple of times. How is the
boot time? Not happy? Revert back to your image and install a different
antivirus program.

It's all trial and error.

Many have found that there are some antivirus programs that are just more
efficient than others. These include Avast and NOD32.

Most have found that anything from Symantec or McAfee bring your computer to
it's knees. The same goes for anti-spyware programs. Some are good, and slow
the machine. Some are good, and don't slow the machine much at all.

But if you blindly stay with what was delivered on your computer, you will
never know!


--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)


"Axel" <Axel@xxxxxx> wrote in message
newsF2AA190-0660-4CB3-95F1-41DEC10011EE@xxxxxx

>I already checked many other forums but all I see is disappointment about
>the
> "most embarrassing release ever by Microsoft".
> Anybody here who can help:
> - If I delete 100 files it takes about 1 second per file to delete
> - If I look up my server it takes seconds for my PC to recognize the
> network
> and let me access files
> - If I delete my Recycle bin it tells me 45 Minutes estimated time to
> delete
> !!!!
> - Start Outlook 2007 – about 1 minute later it is ready to use…
> And so it goes on.
> I bought a brand new HP DV6000 Vista pre installed, DualCore CPU and 2GB
> RAM.
>
> Is there a good way to go back to XP? I think Vista is just not ready and
> if
> 2,000 Vista Engineers can't get it done in 5 years I guess they won’t be
> able
> to build this in the next 2 years.
> I also agree this is the most embarrassing release ever for a 30 year old
> company with 30,000+ people and 2 products (office and Windows).
>

"Axel" <Axel@xxxxxx> wrote in message
newsF2AA190-0660-4CB3-95F1-41DEC10011EE@xxxxxx

>I already checked many other forums but all I see is disappointment about
>the
> "most embarrassing release ever by Microsoft".
> Anybody here who can help:
> - If I delete 100 files it takes about 1 second per file to delete
> - If I look up my server it takes seconds for my PC to recognize the
> network
> and let me access files
> - If I delete my Recycle bin it tells me 45 Minutes estimated time to
> delete
> !!!!
> - Start Outlook 2007 – about 1 minute later it is ready to use…
> And so it goes on.
> I bought a brand new HP DV6000 Vista pre installed, DualCore CPU and 2GB
> RAM.
>
> Is there a good way to go back to XP? I think Vista is just not ready and
> if
> 2,000 Vista Engineers can't get it done in 5 years I guess they won’t be
> able
> to build this in the next 2 years.
> I also agree this is the most embarrassing release ever for a 30 year old
> company with 30,000+ people and 2 products (office and Windows).
>

I can only offer the same advice as others, clean out all the crap that came
pre-installed. Seriously, you need to pretty much strip it back to bare
windows and start again.

--
Can't think of a sig at the moment.
Read this instead.

The implied comparison between XP and Vista is interesting - considering
that posts to the XP general newsroup exceeds those posted to the Vista
group (iven that there are more XPs out there than vISTA.

"Axel" <Axel@xxxxxx> wrote in message
newsF2AA190-0660-4CB3-95F1-41DEC10011EE@xxxxxx

>I already checked many other forums but all I see is disappointment about
>the
> "most embarrassing release ever by Microsoft".
> Anybody here who can help:
> - If I delete 100 files it takes about 1 second per file to delete
> - If I look up my server it takes seconds for my PC to recognize the
> network
> and let me access files
> - If I delete my Recycle bin it tells me 45 Minutes estimated time to
> delete
> !!!!
> - Start Outlook 2007 - about 1 minute later it is ready to use.
> And so it goes on.
> I bought a brand new HP DV6000 Vista pre installed, DualCore CPU and 2GB
> RAM.
>
> Is there a good way to go back to XP? I think Vista is just not ready and
> if
> 2,000 Vista Engineers can't get it done in 5 years I guess they won't be
> able
> to build this in the next 2 years.
> I also agree this is the most embarrassing release ever for a 30 year old
> company with 30,000+ people and 2 products (office and Windows).
>

Yeah I agree with the guys

PC manufactures aways give you the best of crap software when you buy a new
machine.

Next time try and build one yourself. Better machine and cost less. If
your using Noton products on your machine Try and disable them then see how
fast your machine will run.

Marc Darragh


"Axel" <Axel@xxxxxx> wrote in message
newsF2AA190-0660-4CB3-95F1-41DEC10011EE@xxxxxx

>I already checked many other forums but all I see is disappointment about
>the
> "most embarrassing release ever by Microsoft".
> Anybody here who can help:
> - If I delete 100 files it takes about 1 second per file to delete
> - If I look up my server it takes seconds for my PC to recognize the
> network
> and let me access files
> - If I delete my Recycle bin it tells me 45 Minutes estimated time to
> delete
> !!!!
> - Start Outlook 2007 – about 1 minute later it is ready to use…
> And so it goes on.
> I bought a brand new HP DV6000 Vista pre installed, DualCore CPU and 2GB
> RAM.
>
> Is there a good way to go back to XP? I think Vista is just not ready and
> if
> 2,000 Vista Engineers can't get it done in 5 years I guess they won’t be
> able
> to build this in the next 2 years.
> I also agree this is the most embarrassing release ever for a 30 year old
> company with 30,000+ people and 2 products (office and Windows).
>

"Marc Darragh" <marc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:8D237FC6-02EA-4074-90DD-B35B1431229B@xxxxxx

> Yeah I agree with the guys
>
> PC manufactures aways give you the best of crap software when you buy a
> new machine.
>
> Next time try and build one yourself. Better machine and cost less.

My view is exactly the opposite. For the vast majority of computer users,
it's the worst possible advice. Yes, building a computer is very easy, and
doesn't really require any special skills. But troubleshooting the computer
you've built if it doesn't work is another thing entirely and can be very
hard. If this is something *you* enjoy doing, then fine. But the great
majority of computer users are not hobbyists, have no interets in building,
and even less in troubleshooting. They want an appliance that works when you
take it out of the box, just like a toaster or coffeemaker.

Also, although it's certainly true that you *can* get a better machine if
you build it, that's only true if you know enough to choose components
wisely. The average computer user doesn't even know what components he
needs, let alone which brands and models to choose.

And cheaper? That's rarely the case. The big OEMs buy components by the
container and get the best prices. The computers they assemble are almost
always the cheapest choices. Not necessarily the best, but the cheapest.

Personally, although I've built computers myself in the past, these dys I
take a middle ground. I use a small local builder, specify all the
components myself, but let him do the actual assembly (and any needed
troubleshooting), For that service and a two-year warranty, I pay him an
extra $75, and in my view it's well worth it to me. But I wouldn't even
recommend that to most people. Most people are better off with someting like
a Dell.

> your using Noton products on your machine Try and disable them then see
> how fast your machine will run.

But here, I agree with you completely.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

So, what do you do with a DELL with all the crapware and McAfee installed. I
have 2 gigs of RAM and a 2 gig processor and the machine is a pig! I've had
several sessions with the online geeks-chat and remote control-and they have
failed to significantly improve performance. I don't know enough about what
I can delete and what I cannot. I just wanted a new laptop, and I got a new
OS that I hate. Is this going to be another ME, i.e. an interim crap OS on
the way to something better?

"Ken Blake" wrote:

> "Marc Darragh" <marc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:8D237FC6-02EA-4074-90DD-B35B1431229B@xxxxxx
>

> > Yeah I agree with the guys
> >
> > PC manufactures aways give you the best of crap software when you buy a
> > new machine.
> >
> > Next time try and build one yourself. Better machine and cost less.

>
>
> My view is exactly the opposite. For the vast majority of computer users,
> it's the worst possible advice. Yes, building a computer is very easy, and
> doesn't really require any special skills. But troubleshooting the computer
> you've built if it doesn't work is another thing entirely and can be very
> hard. If this is something *you* enjoy doing, then fine. But the great
> majority of computer users are not hobbyists, have no interets in building,
> and even less in troubleshooting. They want an appliance that works when you
> take it out of the box, just like a toaster or coffeemaker.
>
> Also, although it's certainly true that you *can* get a better machine if
> you build it, that's only true if you know enough to choose components
> wisely. The average computer user doesn't even know what components he
> needs, let alone which brands and models to choose.
>
> And cheaper? That's rarely the case. The big OEMs buy components by the
> container and get the best prices. The computers they assemble are almost
> always the cheapest choices. Not necessarily the best, but the cheapest.
>
> Personally, although I've built computers myself in the past, these dys I
> take a middle ground. I use a small local builder, specify all the
> components myself, but let him do the actual assembly (and any needed
> troubleshooting), For that service and a two-year warranty, I pay him an
> extra $75, and in my view it's well worth it to me. But I wouldn't even
> recommend that to most people. Most people are better off with someting like
> a Dell.
>
>

> > your using Noton products on your machine Try and disable them then see
> > how fast your machine will run.

>
>
> But here, I agree with you completely.
>
> --
> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
>

Steve;
You start by complaining about all the bloatware installed and follow
with asking if Vista is another Windows ME
First you need to determine if it is the operating system or the
bloatware installed by the manufacturer causing your issues.
They are not at all the same.

Start by getting rid of anything McAfee or Norton,
Then install something better such as AVG Free:
http://free.grisoft.com/
Or
NOD 32:
http://www.eset.com/landing_pages/la...d_Search-Atlas

This page can help you determine which start-up programs are needed on
your computer:
http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup...p#THE_PROGRAMS

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Steve P" <Steve P@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:FB161ECB-1EF8-403E-90D6-18B9A2AFED37@xxxxxx

> So, what do you do with a DELL with all the crapware and McAfee
> installed. I
> have 2 gigs of RAM and a 2 gig processor and the machine is a pig!
> I've had
> several sessions with the online geeks-chat and remote control-and
> they have
> failed to significantly improve performance. I don't know enough
> about what
> I can delete and what I cannot. I just wanted a new laptop, and I
> got a new
> OS that I hate. Is this going to be another ME, i.e. an interim
> crap OS on
> the way to something better?