For Mr. Bill Gates.
I feel it is down right cheating that Vista Basic don't have faxing
facilities where as all older editions had faxing facilities. I request that
free down load is given to all vista basic buyers
jay sureka

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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:26:02 -0800, jay sureka
<jaysureka@xxxxxx> wrote:

> For Mr. Bill Gates.

He certainly won't see your message here, in this peer-to-peer
newsgroup. If you'd like to try to contact him directly, I believe his
E-mail address is billg@xxxxxx.

> I feel it is down right cheating that Vista Basic don't have faxing
> facilities where as all older editions had faxing facilities.

And I think that's simply nonsense. When you buy a product, whether an
operating system, a car, or anything else, especially when it comes in
several different models, it's incumbent upon you to do the research,
find out what features come with each model, and choose the one that
meets *your* needs. It sounds to me like you simply failed to do your
homework, and got the wrong product; that's nobody's fault but your
own.

The reason that there are several different editions of Vista is so
each person can choose which feature set he needs. and not have to pay
for more than he needs. Not everyone needs faxing capability, and
those that don't need it shouldn't be made to pay for it.

Why don't you write to Mr. Toyota and complain that your Corolla
doesn't have some feature that my Camry has?

> I request that
> free down load is given to all vista basic buyers

--
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All good and valid points--the same ones I made here the week Vista was
released and users started screaming about the fact that fax had been moved
to Business and Ultimate and removed from Home.
I got flamed to ashes. Amidst the flames, I did see another side to this. In
many ways, Microsoft's marketers really did blow it on this one. They
exhibited very little understanding of this fax product and its user base.
Specifically:
1. The Microsoft Fax module has always been a very limited fax product with
few features and less than stellar reliability. It has sufficed reasonably
well for the home user who only needs to send an occasional fax and is
willing to put up with its idiosyncrasies. Vista's version has some nice new
features and is somewhat more reliable, but it has hardly reached the level
where I would consider it robust enough for business use where fax merges
and sending to multiple recipients are the norm. Moving it from Home to
Business just made no sense. They moved it away from the users who need it
to the ones who couldn't care less about it.
2. I am a firm subscriber to the caveat emptor principle. But when I tried
to see how well or how clearly documented the fact that Home had no fax and
only Business did, it was disturbingly obscure. I did finally find it in the
fine print, but only because I was expressly looking for it. Sadly, most
users do not research their OS "upgrades" nearly as carefully as they
should. Microsoft has done a very good job of creating a culture in which
casual users just expect that their next OS will not only have all the
features of their current one, but also lots of new features and lots of new
eye candy. It never occurs to them that any feature might suddenly go
missing.

This is, of course, a rhetorical discussion. Nothing will change as a
result. The most we can achieve is to hope that users learn some valuable
lessons and become more circumspect in their rush to upgrade to the latest
OS. Dig beneath the marketing before making that decision. Most will
probably still want the new toy in the end, but at least they'll know what
they're getting--and what they're not.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:26:02 -0800, jay sureka
> <jaysureka@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

>> For Mr. Bill Gates.

>
>
> He certainly won't see your message here, in this peer-to-peer
> newsgroup. If you'd like to try to contact him directly, I believe his
> E-mail address is billg@xxxxxx.
>
>

>> I feel it is down right cheating that Vista Basic don't have faxing
>> facilities where as all older editions had faxing facilities.

>
>
> And I think that's simply nonsense. When you buy a product, whether an
> operating system, a car, or anything else, especially when it comes in
> several different models, it's incumbent upon you to do the research,
> find out what features come with each model, and choose the one that
> meets *your* needs. It sounds to me like you simply failed to do your
> homework, and got the wrong product; that's nobody's fault but your
> own.
>
> The reason that there are several different editions of Vista is so
> each person can choose which feature set he needs. and not have to pay
> for more than he needs. Not everyone needs faxing capability, and
> those that don't need it shouldn't be made to pay for it.
>
> Why don't you write to Mr. Toyota and complain that your Corolla
> doesn't have some feature that my Camry has?
>
>

>> I request that
>> free down load is given to all vista basic buyers

>
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

I agree wholeheartedly, the fax tool, even if rather basic, is one of the
most important assets in the communications toolbox for the home / one man
office, if anything above e-mail for serious communications. The comment has
been made that "you gets what you pays for !" which is valid to a point, but
as many new computers are coming pre-installed with Vista with little choice
except at excessive cost, that validity is limited. In any operating system,
the core tools and their useability are the heart of the structure.
Unfortunately Vista seems to display a fondness for "Gimmicks" with too
little attention core facilities. If anything my experiences with Vista Home
would tend to make me shift back towards XP rather than forwards to a Vista
upgrade.

"jay sureka" wrote:

> For Mr. Bill Gates.
> I feel it is down right cheating that Vista Basic don't have faxing
> facilities where as all older editions had faxing facilities. I request that
> free down load is given to all vista basic buyers
> jay sureka
>
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> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
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> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...print_fax_scan

"Chas D." <Chas D.@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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>I agree wholeheartedly, the fax tool, even if rather basic, is one of the
> most important assets in the communications toolbox for the home / one man
> office, if anything above e-mail for serious communications.

Yes, but if you have a home office then you're using the computer for
BUSINESS
and so shouldn't be using the home versions of Vista anyway. I don't know
of any
individuals who use FAX for personal use. (I'm sure there are some but I
don't
know them). In any case, many people ASSUMED that since FAX was available
in previous home versions that it would be in Vista home versions as well.
People
who have need of a particular feature should research the capabilities of
any
upgrades under consideration. A quick look at the MS Website would have
told
them that there's no FAX in home versions.

Tom Lake

Well, just so you know one home user that needs a fax, I had to fax a form
to my doctor to get his medical clearance for minor surgery. I am retired,
am not running a business in my home and would have liked to have the fax
capability in my Vista Home Premium. And it would have been nice if my old
WinFax from my previous XP computer would have worked. Neither of those were
options, so I bought SnappyFax for $30 and now I have fax capability.
Tom

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>
> "Chas D." <Chas D.@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:095882D4-478F-4765-B70F-2003338E70F6@xxxxxx

>>I agree wholeheartedly, the fax tool, even if rather basic, is one of the
>> most important assets in the communications toolbox for the home / one
>> man
>> office, if anything above e-mail for serious communications.

>
> Yes, but if you have a home office then you're using the computer for
> BUSINESS
> and so shouldn't be using the home versions of Vista anyway. I don't know
> of any
> individuals who use FAX for personal use. (I'm sure there are some but I
> don't
> know them). In any case, many people ASSUMED that since FAX was available
> in previous home versions that it would be in Vista home versions as well.
> People
> who have need of a particular feature should research the capabilities of
> any
> upgrades under consideration. A quick look at the MS Website would have
> told
> them that there's no FAX in home versions.
>
> Tom Lake
>

Indeed. The majority of users of Microsoft Fax were home users.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"Tom Lake" <toml_12953@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
> "Chas D." <Chas D.@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:095882D4-478F-4765-B70F-2003338E70F6@xxxxxx

>>I agree wholeheartedly, the fax tool, even if rather basic, is one of the
>> most important assets in the communications toolbox for the home / one
>> man
>> office, if anything above e-mail for serious communications.

>
> Yes, but if you have a home office then you're using the computer for
> BUSINESS
> and so shouldn't be using the home versions of Vista anyway. I don't know
> of any
> individuals who use FAX for personal use. (I'm sure there are some but I
> don't
> know them). In any case, many people ASSUMED that since FAX was available
> in previous home versions that it would be in Vista home versions as well.
> People
> who have need of a particular feature should research the capabilities of
> any
> upgrades under consideration. A quick look at the MS Website would have
> told
> them that there's no FAX in home versions.
>
> Tom Lake
>

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:30 -0800, "SF Bay'er"
<not_a_real_address@xxxxxx> wrote:

> Well, just so you know one home user that needs a fax, I had to fax a form
> to my doctor to get his medical clearance for minor surgery. I am retired,
> am not running a business in my home and would have liked to have the fax
> capability in my Vista Home Premium. And it would have been nice if my old
> WinFax from my previous XP computer would have worked. Neither of those were
> options, so I bought SnappyFax for $30 and now I have fax capability.

I'm a home user that faxes or receives faxes very seldom, but I like
to have the capability for when I occasionally need it. I don't do it
through the computer (although I run Vista Ultimate, which has fax
capability), but find it much easier to use my small stand-alone
fax-machine, which I bought on sale for $20.

I think a stand-alone fax machine can be a better solution than fax
software for many people.

> "Tom Lake" <toml_12953@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news88F24CF-7F81-4DF8-8BA0-64580C27E05A@xxxxxx

> >
> > "Chas D." <Chas D.@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:095882D4-478F-4765-B70F-2003338E70F6@xxxxxx

> >>I agree wholeheartedly, the fax tool, even if rather basic, is one of the
> >> most important assets in the communications toolbox for the home / one
> >> man
> >> office, if anything above e-mail for serious communications.

> >
> > Yes, but if you have a home office then you're using the computer for
> > BUSINESS
> > and so shouldn't be using the home versions of Vista anyway. I don't know
> > of any
> > individuals who use FAX for personal use. (I'm sure there are some but I
> > don't
> > know them). In any case, many people ASSUMED that since FAX was available
> > in previous home versions that it would be in Vista home versions as well.
> > People
> > who have need of a particular feature should research the capabilities of
> > any
> > upgrades under consideration. A quick look at the MS Website would have
> > told
> > them that there's no FAX in home versions.
> >
> > Tom Lake
> >

>

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In message <g854p395njiq6r13kq1md5kghr23ugh6lb@xxxxxx> "Ken Blake, MVP"
<kblake@xxxxxx> wrote:

>I'm a home user that faxes or receives faxes very seldom, but I like
>to have the capability for when I occasionally need it. I don't do it
>through the computer (although I run Vista Ultimate, which has fax
>capability), but find it much easier to use my small stand-alone
>fax-machine, which I bought on sale for $20.
>
>I think a stand-alone fax machine can be a better solution than fax
>software for many people.

So when you want to send a fax, you print first and then scan what you
just printed to send a fax?

That sounds rather like "working for the computer" rather then having
your computer work for you.

Myself, I don't have an analog phoneline anymore (and haven't for many
moons), so I have no personal stake in this, just curious.

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:37:32 -0700, DevilsPGD
<spam_narf_spam@xxxxxx> wrote:

> In message <g854p395njiq6r13kq1md5kghr23ugh6lb@xxxxxx> "Ken Blake, MVP"
> <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

> >I'm a home user that faxes or receives faxes very seldom, but I like
> >to have the capability for when I occasionally need it. I don't do it
> >through the computer (although I run Vista Ultimate, which has fax
> >capability), but find it much easier to use my small stand-alone
> >fax-machine, which I bought on sale for $20.
> >
> >I think a stand-alone fax machine can be a better solution than fax
> >software for many people.

>
> So when you want to send a fax, you print first and then scan what you
> just printed to send a fax?

Depends entirely on what I have to fax. For example, I've had a form
that was sent to me that I had to sign and then fax.

Once I needed to fax theater tickets I had voided to a theater, so
they could send me replacements for a different performance I wanted
to attend.

And worst case, if need to create a document myself and then fax it,
yes, I might do exactly as you said. As I said, I need to send a fax
very seldom, and printing first and then faxing is no real hardship or
lot of extra work.

I've owned my $20 fax machine for about 3 or 4 years. I've received a
couple of faxes on it, and sent one out about 3 or 4 times.

As far as I'm concerned, fax is obsolete technology, and should have
been replaced by E-mail a long time ago. I have the machine only as a
convenience, so I can deal with the occasional company that for
whatever reason can't handle E-mail and insists on using it. It
happens very seldom, but it's good to have when I need it.

I don't suggest that my solution is best for everyone, but for the
person who needs fax capability only seldom, it can work fine, and can
be cheaper than fax software.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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