Vista - Lack of FAX Support for Vista Home Premium

You should read more carefully. It's all there.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"GreenWing" <Greenwing@DoNotEmailMe.com> wrote in message
news:%23i7UYVpWHHA.388@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I didn't read in the MS Vista website documentation where it said that
>existing XP functionality would actually be removed when upgrading to
>whatever version of Vista...I read that as I would not be getting
>"enhanced" vista faxing...I had no idea the old XP faxing would actually be
>removed...
>
> Same applies to the system backup functionality...XP could do full
> backups, but Vista Home Premium cannot...
>
> Greenwing
>
> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e1UxVfmWHHA.3652@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>I understand. This one has caught a lot of folks off guard. But the
>>documentation was all there before you chose your version.
>

You should expect what the box tells you is contained therein..
"Cyn" <cdagnalmyron@comcast.net> wrote in message news:A922DDF4-E7BF-46E6-8775-AD45E4F0D2E1@microsoft.com...
We read all that. We just expect to GAIN things, not lose them, when we upgrade.

--
Cynthia Dagnal Myron
Faculty
Axia/Western International University
Associate Programs
omoyaaz@email.wintu.edu
omoya@email.phoenix.edu
520-241-0126
Pacific Time


"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ueEuUceWHHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
The features included with each version are not a secret. Users need to read
that information very carefully before they decide on which version to
choose. Caveat emptor.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"johnm" <johnm@msn.com> wrote in message
news:eJ0SbtdWHHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:es6pZRUWHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Multiple posts exist on this subject. Feel free to contibribute if you
>> have anything to add to those posts. So far, you haven't.
>> --
>> Russ Valentine
>> [MVP-Outlook]
>
>
> as haven't you..... smartass
>
> to the OP, try http://www.snappysoftware.com/
> look for Snappy Fax, works with Vista
>
> funny though, why MS decided to remove a feature from what they KNEW would
> be their top seller.
> just one more example of how "upgrading" to Vista actually results in a
> "downgrade"
>



--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

You're not hearing those of us who aren't as well versed in this as you are. When we upgrade, we expect to get new things, not lose things that worked perfectly. What was on the box (though I ordered online after doing the whole "readiness" thing), told me what Vista had. It didn't tell me that Vista would disable things already installed. Does this make sense to you? Previously, when I upgraded, features didn't disappear--or didn't seem to. They got better, faster...but were there. Now, I have actually gotten less for my money than I have previously. And that really bothers me.

--
Cynthia Dagnal Myron
Faculty
Axia/Western International University
Associate Programs
omoyaaz@email.wintu.edu
omoya@email.phoenix.edu
520-241-0126
Pacific Time


"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message news:e1pQ1UuWHHA.896@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
You should expect what the box tells you is contained therein..
"Cyn" <cdagnalmyron@comcast.net> wrote in message news:A922DDF4-E7BF-46E6-8775-AD45E4F0D2E1@microsoft.com...
We read all that. We just expect to GAIN things, not lose them, when we upgrade.

--
Cynthia Dagnal Myron
Faculty
Axia/Western International University
Associate Programs
omoyaaz@email.wintu.edu
omoya@email.phoenix.edu
520-241-0126
Pacific Time


"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ueEuUceWHHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
The features included with each version are not a secret. Users need to read
that information very carefully before they decide on which version to
choose. Caveat emptor.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"johnm" <johnm@msn.com> wrote in message
news:eJ0SbtdWHHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:es6pZRUWHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Multiple posts exist on this subject. Feel free to contibribute if you
>> have anything to add to those posts. So far, you haven't.
>> --
>> Russ Valentine
>> [MVP-Outlook]
>
>
> as haven't you..... smartass
>
> to the OP, try http://www.snappysoftware.com/
> look for Snappy Fax, works with Vista
>
> funny though, why MS decided to remove a feature from what they KNEW would
> be their top seller.
> just one more example of how "upgrading" to Vista actually results in a
> "downgrade"
>



--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

I upgraded to vista home premium from xp and found that my fax program had
vanished. So home premium stole my fax program and charged me for the
privilage
I am now in the process of asking microsoft for my money back.

"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:

> You should read more carefully. It's all there.
> --
> Russ Valentine
> [MVP-Outlook]
> "GreenWing" <Greenwing@DoNotEmailMe.com> wrote in message
> news:%23i7UYVpWHHA.388@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >I didn't read in the MS Vista website documentation where it said that
> >existing XP functionality would actually be removed when upgrading to
> >whatever version of Vista...I read that as I would not be getting
> >"enhanced" vista faxing...I had no idea the old XP faxing would actually be
> >removed...
> >
> > Same applies to the system backup functionality...XP could do full
> > backups, but Vista Home Premium cannot...
> >
> > Greenwing
> >
> > "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:e1UxVfmWHHA.3652@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>I understand. This one has caught a lot of folks off guard. But the
> >>documentation was all there before you chose your version.
> >
>
>
>

This is a free fax service.. I have never used it personally..

http://www.freefax.com/
"Cyn" <cdagnalmyron@comcast.net> wrote in message news:95510014-F0FC-43D9-A732-F28E39B263AC@microsoft.com...
You're not hearing those of us who aren't as well versed in this as you are. When we upgrade, we expect to get new things, not lose things that worked perfectly. What was on the box (though I ordered online after doing the whole "readiness" thing), told me what Vista had. It didn't tell me that Vista would disable things already installed. Does this make sense to you? Previously, when I upgraded, features didn't disappear--or didn't seem to. They got better, faster...but were there. Now, I have actually gotten less for my money than I have previously. And that really bothers me.

--
Cynthia Dagnal Myron
Faculty
Axia/Western International University
Associate Programs
omoyaaz@email.wintu.edu
omoya@email.phoenix.edu
520-241-0126
Pacific Time


"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message news:e1pQ1UuWHHA.896@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
You should expect what the box tells you is contained therein..
"Cyn" <cdagnalmyron@comcast.net> wrote in message news:A922DDF4-E7BF-46E6-8775-AD45E4F0D2E1@microsoft.com...
We read all that. We just expect to GAIN things, not lose them, when we upgrade.

--
Cynthia Dagnal Myron
Faculty
Axia/Western International University
Associate Programs
omoyaaz@email.wintu.edu
omoya@email.phoenix.edu
520-241-0126
Pacific Time


"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ueEuUceWHHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
The features included with each version are not a secret. Users need to read
that information very carefully before they decide on which version to
choose. Caveat emptor.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"johnm" <johnm@msn.com> wrote in message
news:eJ0SbtdWHHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:es6pZRUWHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Multiple posts exist on this subject. Feel free to contibribute if you
>> have anything to add to those posts. So far, you haven't.
>> --
>> Russ Valentine
>> [MVP-Outlook]
>
>
> as haven't you..... smartass
>
> to the OP, try http://www.snappysoftware.com/
> look for Snappy Fax, works with Vista
>
> funny though, why MS decided to remove a feature from what they KNEW would
> be their top seller.
> just one more example of how "upgrading" to Vista actually results in a
> "downgrade"
>



--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/




--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

I wouldn't say you aren't being heard. There are now numerous posts from
people with the same complaint which have received a number of sympathetic
replies, including a remarkably candid response from a Microsoft employee
who said the feature list for each version was made by the marketing
department at the last minute, not by the developers who would have
preferred the fax module go into all versions.
We have far exceeded the point where reposting the same complaint in a
peer-to-peer group will accomplish anything. The take home message here
remains:
1. Vista is a completely new OS with completely different versions. It is
naive to assume that the version you used in XP is in any way equivalent to
the version you would want in Vista and that every feature your XP version
had would remain in Vista.
2. Research carefully whether you even need to "upgrade" to Vista. If you
decide you do, then research even more carefully which version has the
features you need. You do that when you upgrade your TV or car. Why wouldn't
you do so when you update your OS?

Watching people rush to Vista has been like watching lemmings jump into the
sea. In my world, a new OS from Microsoft belongs on a test partition for at
least 2 years until the applications we use even have a chance to work with
it.

Just curious. What were the reasons you found that were so compelling that
you needed to update to Vista right away?
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"Cyn" <cdagnalmyron@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:95510014-F0FC-43D9-A732-F28E39B263AC@microsoft.com...
You're not hearing those of us who aren't as well versed in this as you are.
When we upgrade, we expect to get new things, not lose things that worked
perfectly. What was on the box (though I ordered online after doing the
whole "readiness" thing), told me what Vista had. It didn't tell me that
Vista would disable things already installed. Does this make sense to you?
Previously, when I upgraded, features didn't disappear--or didn't seem to.
They got better, faster...but were there. Now, I have actually gotten less
for my money than I have previously. And that really bothers me.

--
Cynthia Dagnal Myron
Faculty
Axia/Western International University
Associate Programs
omoyaaz@email.wintu.edu
omoya@email.phoenix.edu
520-241-0126
Pacific Time


"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:e1pQ1UuWHHA.896@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
You should expect what the box tells you is contained therein..
"Cyn" <cdagnalmyron@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:A922DDF4-E7BF-46E6-8775-AD45E4F0D2E1@microsoft.com...
We read all that. We just expect to GAIN things, not lose them, when we
upgrade.

--
Cynthia Dagnal Myron
Faculty
Axia/Western International University
Associate Programs
omoyaaz@email.wintu.edu
omoya@email.phoenix.edu
520-241-0126
Pacific Time


"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ueEuUceWHHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
The features included with each version are not a secret. Users need to read
that information very carefully before they decide on which version to
choose. Caveat emptor.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"johnm" <johnm@msn.com> wrote in message
news:eJ0SbtdWHHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:es6pZRUWHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Multiple posts exist on this subject. Feel free to contibribute if you
>> have anything to add to those posts. So far, you haven't.
>> --
>> Russ Valentine
>> [MVP-Outlook]
>
>
> as haven't you..... smartass
>
> to the OP, try http://www.snappysoftware.com/
> look for Snappy Fax, works with Vista
>
> funny though, why MS decided to remove a feature from what they KNEW would
> be their top seller.
> just one more example of how "upgrading" to Vista actually results in a
> "downgrade"
>



--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

So basically now your are calling people idiots in your humble opinion for
not only assuming they would not lose anything by upgrading to Vista but
also by upgrading to Vista period.
Mister if you wish to run around using your so called title as a badge you
best learn a little something about marketing.
When people are upset you do not go poking them with a stick.
I still stand by Microsoft but some of the people using MVP need to grow up.


"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eMs42U4WHHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I wouldn't say you aren't being heard. There are now numerous posts from
>people with the same complaint which have received a number of sympathetic
>replies, including a remarkably candid response from a Microsoft employee
>who said the feature list for each version was made by the marketing
>department at the last minute, not by the developers who would have
>preferred the fax module go into all versions.
> We have far exceeded the point where reposting the same complaint in a
> peer-to-peer group will accomplish anything. The take home message here
> remains:
> 1. Vista is a completely new OS with completely different versions. It is
> naive to assume that the version you used in XP is in any way equivalent
> to the version you would want in Vista and that every feature your XP
> version had would remain in Vista.
> 2. Research carefully whether you even need to "upgrade" to Vista. If you
> decide you do, then research even more carefully which version has the
> features you need. You do that when you upgrade your TV or car. Why
> wouldn't you do so when you update your OS?
>
> Watching people rush to Vista has been like watching lemmings jump into
> the sea. In my world, a new OS from Microsoft belongs on a test partition
> for at least 2 years until the applications we use even have a chance to
> work with it.
>
> Just curious. What were the reasons you found that were so compelling that
> you needed to update to Vista right away?
> --
> Russ Valentine
> [MVP-Outlook]
> "Cyn" <cdagnalmyron@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:95510014-F0FC-43D9-A732-F28E39B263AC@microsoft.com...
> You're not hearing those of us who aren't as well versed in this as you
> are. When we upgrade, we expect to get new things, not lose things that
> worked perfectly. What was on the box (though I ordered online after
> doing the whole "readiness" thing), told me what Vista had. It didn't
> tell me that Vista would disable things already installed. Does this make
> sense to you? Previously, when I upgraded, features didn't disappear--or
> didn't seem to. They got better, faster...but were there. Now, I have
> actually gotten less for my money than I have previously. And that really
> bothers me.
>
> --
> Cynthia Dagnal Myron
> Faculty
> Axia/Western International University
> Associate Programs
> omoyaaz@email.wintu.edu
> omoya@email.phoenix.edu
> 520-241-0126
> Pacific Time
>
>
> "Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in
> message news:e1pQ1UuWHHA.896@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> You should expect what the box tells you is contained therein..
> "Cyn" <cdagnalmyron@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:A922DDF4-E7BF-46E6-8775-AD45E4F0D2E1@microsoft.com...
> We read all that. We just expect to GAIN things, not lose them, when we
> upgrade.
>
> --
> Cynthia Dagnal Myron
> Faculty
> Axia/Western International University
> Associate Programs
> omoyaaz@email.wintu.edu
> omoya@email.phoenix.edu
> 520-241-0126
> Pacific Time
>
>
> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ueEuUceWHHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> The features included with each version are not a secret. Users need to
> read
> that information very carefully before they decide on which version to
> choose. Caveat emptor.
> --
> Russ Valentine
> [MVP-Outlook]
> "johnm" <johnm@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:eJ0SbtdWHHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:es6pZRUWHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Multiple posts exist on this subject. Feel free to contibribute if you
>>> have anything to add to those posts. So far, you haven't.
>>> --
>>> Russ Valentine
>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>
>>
>> as haven't you..... smartass
>>
>> to the OP, try http://www.snappysoftware.com/
>> look for Snappy Fax, works with Vista
>>
>> funny though, why MS decided to remove a feature from what they KNEW
>> would
>> be their top seller.
>> just one more example of how "upgrading" to Vista actually results in a
>> "downgrade"
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>
>
>
>
>

What an odd and insulting response. You are free to interpret my post
however you wish. I suspect few would interpret it as you did.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"Dan" <nothome@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:65C67BA6-9F9D-4C08-BB0C-C48535BCDBD8@microsoft.com...
> So basically now your are calling people idiots in your humble opinion for
> not only assuming they would not lose anything by upgrading to Vista but
> also by upgrading to Vista period.
> Mister if you wish to run around using your so called title as a badge you
> best learn a little something about marketing.
> When people are upset you do not go poking them with a stick.
> I still stand by Microsoft but some of the people using MVP need to grow
> up.
>
>
> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eMs42U4WHHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>I wouldn't say you aren't being heard. There are now numerous posts from
>>people with the same complaint which have received a number of sympathetic
>>replies, including a remarkably candid response from a Microsoft employee
>>who said the feature list for each version was made by the marketing
>>department at the last minute, not by the developers who would have
>>preferred the fax module go into all versions.
>> We have far exceeded the point where reposting the same complaint in a
>> peer-to-peer group will accomplish anything. The take home message here
>> remains:
>> 1. Vista is a completely new OS with completely different versions. It is
>> naive to assume that the version you used in XP is in any way equivalent
>> to the version you would want in Vista and that every feature your XP
>> version had would remain in Vista.
>> 2. Research carefully whether you even need to "upgrade" to Vista. If you
>> decide you do, then research even more carefully which version has the
>> features you need. You do that when you upgrade your TV or car. Why
>> wouldn't you do so when you update your OS?
>>
>> Watching people rush to Vista has been like watching lemmings jump into
>> the sea. In my world, a new OS from Microsoft belongs on a test partition
>> for at least 2 years until the applications we use even have a chance to
>> work with it.
>>
>> Just curious. What were the reasons you found that were so compelling
>> that you needed to update to Vista right away?
>> --
>> Russ Valentine
>> [MVP-Outlook]
>> "Cyn" <cdagnalmyron@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:95510014-F0FC-43D9-A732-F28E39B263AC@microsoft.com...
>> You're not hearing those of us who aren't as well versed in this as you
>> are. When we upgrade, we expect to get new things, not lose things that
>> worked perfectly. What was on the box (though I ordered online after
>> doing the whole "readiness" thing), told me what Vista had. It didn't
>> tell me that Vista would disable things already installed. Does this
>> make sense to you? Previously, when I upgraded, features didn't
>> disappear--or didn't seem to. They got better, faster...but were there.
>> Now, I have actually gotten less for my money than I have previously.
>> And that really bothers me.
>>
>> --
>> Cynthia Dagnal Myron
>> Faculty
>> Axia/Western International University
>> Associate Programs
>> omoyaaz@email.wintu.edu
>> omoya@email.phoenix.edu
>> 520-241-0126
>> Pacific Time
>>
>>
>> "Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in
>> message news:e1pQ1UuWHHA.896@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> You should expect what the box tells you is contained therein..
>> "Cyn" <cdagnalmyron@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:A922DDF4-E7BF-46E6-8775-AD45E4F0D2E1@microsoft.com...
>> We read all that. We just expect to GAIN things, not lose them, when we
>> upgrade.
>>
>> --
>> Cynthia Dagnal Myron
>> Faculty
>> Axia/Western International University
>> Associate Programs
>> omoyaaz@email.wintu.edu
>> omoya@email.phoenix.edu
>> 520-241-0126
>> Pacific Time
>>
>>
>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ueEuUceWHHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> The features included with each version are not a secret. Users need to
>> read
>> that information very carefully before they decide on which version to
>> choose. Caveat emptor.
>> --
>> Russ Valentine
>> [MVP-Outlook]
>> "johnm" <johnm@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:eJ0SbtdWHHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:es6pZRUWHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Multiple posts exist on this subject. Feel free to contibribute if you
>>>> have anything to add to those posts. So far, you haven't.
>>>> --
>>>> Russ Valentine
>>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>>
>>>
>>> as haven't you..... smartass
>>>
>>> to the OP, try http://www.snappysoftware.com/
>>> look for Snappy Fax, works with Vista
>>>
>>> funny though, why MS decided to remove a feature from what they KNEW
>>> would
>>> be their top seller.
>>> just one more example of how "upgrading" to Vista actually results in a
>>> "downgrade"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Mike Hall
>> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

The developers wanted to keep the fax in home premium, so who are you with,
the developers or the marketing people, because the developers are with us,
and let’s face it, without the developers we would still be using
calculators.

"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:

> What an odd and insulting response. You are free to interpret my post
> however you wish. I suspect few would interpret it as you did.
> --
> Russ Valentine
> [MVP-Outlook]
> "Dan" <nothome@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:65C67BA6-9F9D-4C08-BB0C-C48535BCDBD8@microsoft.com...
> > So basically now your are calling people idiots in your humble opinion for
> > not only assuming they would not lose anything by upgrading to Vista but
> > also by upgrading to Vista period.
> > Mister if you wish to run around using your so called title as a badge you
> > best learn a little something about marketing.
> > When people are upset you do not go poking them with a stick.
> > I still stand by Microsoft but some of the people using MVP need to grow
> > up.
> >
> >
> > "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:eMs42U4WHHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >>I wouldn't say you aren't being heard. There are now numerous posts from
> >>people with the same complaint which have received a number of sympathetic
> >>replies, including a remarkably candid response from a Microsoft employee
> >>who said the feature list for each version was made by the marketing
> >>department at the last minute, not by the developers who would have
> >>preferred the fax module go into all versions.
> >> We have far exceeded the point where reposting the same complaint in a
> >> peer-to-peer group will accomplish anything. The take home message here
> >> remains:
> >> 1. Vista is a completely new OS with completely different versions. It is
> >> naive to assume that the version you used in XP is in any way equivalent
> >> to the version you would want in Vista and that every feature your XP
> >> version had would remain in Vista.
> >> 2. Research carefully whether you even need to "upgrade" to Vista. If you
> >> decide you do, then research even more carefully which version has the
> >> features you need. You do that when you upgrade your TV or car. Why
> >> wouldn't you do so when you update your OS?
> >>
> >> Watching people rush to Vista has been like watching lemmings jump into
> >> the sea. In my world, a new OS from Microsoft belongs on a test partition
> >> for at least 2 years until the applications we use even have a chance to
> >> work with it.
> >>
> >> Just curious. What were the reasons you found that were so compelling
> >> that you needed to update to Vista right away?
> >> --
> >> Russ Valentine
> >> [MVP-Outlook]
> >> "Cyn" <cdagnalmyron@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:95510014-F0FC-43D9-A732-F28E39B263AC@microsoft.com...
> >> You're not hearing those of us who aren't as well versed in this as you
> >> are. When we upgrade, we expect to get new things, not lose things that
> >> worked perfectly. What was on the box (though I ordered online after
> >> doing the whole "readiness" thing), told me what Vista had. It didn't
> >> tell me that Vista would disable things already installed. Does this
> >> make sense to you? Previously, when I upgraded, features didn't
> >> disappear--or didn't seem to. They got better, faster...but were there.
> >> Now, I have actually gotten less for my money than I have previously.
> >> And that really bothers me.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cynthia Dagnal Myron
> >> Faculty
> >> Axia/Western International University
> >> Associate Programs
> >> omoyaaz@email.wintu.edu
> >> omoya@email.phoenix.edu
> >> 520-241-0126
> >> Pacific Time
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in
> >> message news:e1pQ1UuWHHA.896@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> You should expect what the box tells you is contained therein..
> >> "Cyn" <cdagnalmyron@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:A922DDF4-E7BF-46E6-8775-AD45E4F0D2E1@microsoft.com...
> >> We read all that. We just expect to GAIN things, not lose them, when we
> >> upgrade.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cynthia Dagnal Myron
> >> Faculty
> >> Axia/Western International University
> >> Associate Programs
> >> omoyaaz@email.wintu.edu
> >> omoya@email.phoenix.edu
> >> 520-241-0126
> >> Pacific Time
> >>
> >>
> >> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ueEuUceWHHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> The features included with each version are not a secret. Users need to
> >> read
> >> that information very carefully before they decide on which version to
> >> choose. Caveat emptor.
> >> --
> >> Russ Valentine
> >> [MVP-Outlook]
> >> "johnm" <johnm@msn.com> wrote in message
> >> news:eJ0SbtdWHHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >>>
> >>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" <russval@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:es6pZRUWHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>> Multiple posts exist on this subject. Feel free to contibribute if you
> >>>> have anything to add to those posts. So far, you haven't.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Russ Valentine
> >>>> [MVP-Outlook]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> as haven't you..... smartass
> >>>
> >>> to the OP, try http://www.snappysoftware.com/
> >>> look for Snappy Fax, works with Vista
> >>>
> >>> funny though, why MS decided to remove a feature from what they KNEW
> >>> would
> >>> be their top seller.
> >>> just one more example of how "upgrading" to Vista actually results in a
> >>> "downgrade"
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Hall
> >> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

suprised are you.

Not half as suprised that Mickeysoft did not think a fax program should be
available to the less well off. if you cannot afford ultimate then tuff you
beggars thats what gates is saying. What an arse

"David A. Lessnau" wrote:

> I'm surprised your computer manufacturer didn't include fax software to go
> with the fax modem that came with the computer. Have you double-checked
> that? Have you checked the manufacturer's web site to see if they have a
> program that's compatible with Vista? Failing that, one source of
> alternatives might be the Marketplace on the Microsoft Office site:
>
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/ma...=fax&av=PMP000
>
> It looks like it contains links for both fax software and internet faxing
> sites. I've used both www.efax.com and www.fax1.com .
>
>
>
>
> "jacuze" <jacuze@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:5302B981-3DA2-49F4-A0B7-068358A8BFDE@microsoft.com...
> >I find it dishearting that Microsoft failed to provide home users with the
> > ability to send/receive a fax. A fax capability has been a standard
> > feature
> > in just about every Microsoft OS I can remember. As a home users, I don't
> > need a fax on a daily basis. I might use it once a month or once every
> > couple of months, but when I need it, I expect it to be there.
> > Microsoft, you failed as far as I am concerned. I purchased a new
> > computer
> > with Vista Premium loaded. The computer came with a fax modem, however, I
> > discoverd that only Business and above have fax capability built in. To
> > make
> > it right, Microsoft should include the fax capability as an update or as a
> > free stand alone download.
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> > this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...print_fax_scan
>