Vista - windows vista antivirus programs !!

07-27-2008

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:04:00 -0700, cameccas
> <cameccas@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

Quote:

>> Hi why does everytime i download an antivirus program like MC AFEE or
>> NORTON
>> my computer starts running more slowly ? it even freezes,why? doesn't it
>> has
>> to run better because it's cleaning all the bad stuff??
>> I even baught the NORTON 360 ALL-IN-ONE SECURITY and it made my computer
>> run
>> very ,very slow !!! what program can I get that would make my PC run
>> better
>> and safe ??

>
>
> Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and
> McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely
> affecting your computer's performance.
>
> For an anti-virus product, I recommend NOD32 if you want to spend a
> little money, or Avast, if you want a free product.
>
> For anti-spyware, I would run at least two from the following list:
>
> Spyware Blaster
> Spybot Search and Destroy
> Adaware
> Super Antispyware.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>

I have been using Panda Software's products both at home and on our
corporate network for several years with good results. Panda doesn't impact
system performance too much (all realtime AV solutions impact system
performance) and I haven't had a virus at home. The two zero day exploits
that made it through at work were stopped by Panda's heuristic based scanner
on the machines that downloaded them from the internet.

As for Norton - it requires a supercomputer to perform decently. As for
McAffee - their AV product simply misses too many viruii.

Mike Ober.

07-27-2008

I installed Windows Onecare and it works for me. I ran it against Gibson
research

http://www.grc.com/

and it passed with flying colors. I use a cable connection and have
Weather Display software communicating every minute with somewhere and
McAfee and Norton was not compaitible with my software. So.. I had to find
something that worked. This works for me, it is a good anti-virus and
firewall.

I don't care for its lack of cleaning cookies ( so I use CCLeaner) and not
sure if it does have a registry cleaner or not associated with it ( I had
to get a 64 bit compatible cleaner which found 709 errors on a new machine ).
But other than that..

My opinion... I'd say try what works for you and your needs and go with
it.

07-27-2008

AV-Comparatives and Virus Bulletin have not tested OneCare v.2.5
When they do, you'll be quite surprised how OneCare has progressed
from v.2.0

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows System & Performance

"Charlie42" wrote:

Quote:

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

Quote:

> > With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is
> > no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>
> Ok, mr. Frisch. You have been ardently advocating OneCare in the Vista
> newsgroups for quite some time now, why is that? I am not trolling here, I
> just want to hear your reasons for picking this suite over more seasoned
> software on the market.
>

Quote:

> > -- An excellent antivirus application
> > -- An excellent firewall application
> > -- An excellent antispyware application

>
> Afaik, OneCare's performance is inferior to that of programs like Kaspersky,
> AVG, Avast, NOD32 or even the dreaded Norton. I base this statement on test
> results from renowned sites like AV-Comparatives and Virus Bulletin.
>

Quote:

> > -- Automatic system tune-ups

>
> The registry cleaning part of OneCare has been heavily critisised, both
> because many experts mean automated registry cleaning in general is
> unnecessary and potentially harmful and because OneCare does not back up the
> registry before executing changes (has this changed lately, btw?)
>

Quote:

> > -- Automatic hard drive defrag

>
> This is included in the Vista OS. Why a third party tool?
>

Quote:

> > -- Checks for updates to be sure they are installed
> > -- Schedules automatic backups of important files
> > -- New version 2.5 just released - designed to work
> > exceptionally well with Windows Vista & XP.
> > -- All-in-one convenient, easy to install application

>
> The same can be said for a number of security softwares. Scheduling and
> updating is part of any decent suite or AV program.
>
> Charlie42
>
>

07-27-2008

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

<snip>

Quote:

> Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and
> McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely
> affecting your computer's performance.

In all fairness, it's their *retail* version which can play havoc with
pc's. AFAIK the *corporate* isues are pretty good

Quote:

> For an anti-virus product, I recommend NOD32 if you want to spend a
> little money, or Avast, if you want a free product.
>
> For anti-spyware, I would run at least two from the following list:
>
> Spyware Blaster
> Spybot Search and Destroy
> Adaware
> Super Antispyware.

07-27-2008

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:39:30 -0700, Aardvark wrote:

Quote:

> I installed Windows Onecare and it works for me. I ran it against Gibson
> research
>
> http://www.grc.com/
>
> and it passed with flying colors.

<snip>

Firewall LeakTesting.
Excerpts:
Leo Laporte: "So the leaktest is kind of pointless."
Steve Gibson: "Well,yes,...
Leo: "So are you saying that there's no point in doing a leaktest

anymore?"
Steve: "Well, it's why I have not taken the trouble to update mine,
because you..."
Leo: "You can't test enough".
Steve: "Well, yeah.
Leo: "Right. Very interesting stuff. I guess that - my sense is, if you
can't test for leaks, a software-based firewall is kind of essentially
worthless."

Read and/or listen to the entire conversation here:
http://www.grc.com/sn/SN-105.htm

07-28-2008

I would stand neurtral on such

Choose from these names:
Onecare / BitDefender / Kaspersky / TrendMicro

The following are the only names I would trust

"cameccas" <cameccas@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:AD94F1DE-94BE-41F6-A993-F7866AF0B620@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Hi why does everytime i download an antivirus program like MC AFEE or
> NORTON
> my computer starts running more slowly ? it even freezes,why? doesn't it
> has
> to run better because it's cleaning all the bad stuff??
> I even baught the NORTON 360 ALL-IN-ONE SECURITY and it made my computer
> run
> very ,very slow !!! what program can I get that would make my PC run
> better
> and safe ??

07-28-2008

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

> AV-Comparatives and Virus Bulletin have not tested OneCare
> v.2.5 When they do, you'll be quite surprised how OneCare has
> progressed from v.2.0

I will watch the sites and ask again later then.

Charlie42

07-28-2008

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:01 +0700, Kayman
<kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>
><snip>
>

Quote:

>> Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and
>> McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely
>> affecting your computer's performance.

>
>In all fairness, it's their *retail* version which can play havoc with
>pc's. AFAIK the *corporate* isues are pretty good

I might take exception to that. I used to consult at a major computer
manufacturer ($20b+ in sales). The corporate standard was to use
Norton. I often brought in hardware when I was there. One day I
noticed a serious speed difference in network copying between the
Norton encrusted systems and my own. So, we did some testing. We used
very strict and repetitive test conditions on their Norton bound
systems. The end result was that having Norton turned on during
network copies slowed the copies by a factor of about 22 times.

We started researching in Norton's support database and there was a
bulletin on the problem as a "known issue" with network copying. It
had been a known issue since Windows 95. Apparently they didn't seem
to think it would matter to customers.

I have to be fair to Nor ton that I have not done these tests again in
the last couple years - but I started advising everyone to take it off
their systems back then and I don't feel guilty still advising that.

07-28-2008

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:04:03 +0800, "Milo" <jfcoel@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>I would stand neurtral on such
>
>Choose from these names:
>Onecare / BitDefender / Kaspersky / TrendMicro
>
>The following are the only names I would trust

You left out any you trust. I think you meant to write "AVG".

07-28-2008

Kayman wrote:

Quote:

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:04:00 -0700, cameccas wrote:
>

Quote:

>> Hi why does everytime i download an antivirus program like MC AFEE or NORTON
>> my computer starts running more slowly ? it even freezes,why? doesn't it has
>> to run better because it's cleaning all the bad stuff??
>> I even baught the NORTON 360 ALL-IN-ONE SECURITY and it made my computer run
>> very ,very slow !!! what program can I get that would make my PC run better
>> and safe ??

>
> A number of experts agree that the retail AV version of McAfee, Norton and
> Trend Micro has become cumbersome and bloated for the average user.
>
> The major criticisms are related to stability and footprint, the most
> common problem being slow-downs because of the massive system resources
> hogs. There are products on the market with equal or better test results
> than Symantec's products, consuming less resources at a lower price (even
> free ones).
>
> The retail version of these apps can play havoc with your pc. Uninstall it
> using propriety uninstall tools:
>
> Download and run the Norton Removal Tool and try to get a refund:
> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...05033108162039
> The Norton Removal Tool uninstalls all Norton 2008/2007/2006/2005/2004/2003
> products and Norton 360 from your computer.
>
> Removal tools for recent Mcafee products:-
> Request assistance from here:
> http://forums.mcafeehelp.com/
> or download and run:
> http://www.majorgeeks.com/McAfee_Con...ool_d5420.html
> or
> http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocumen...=10005&type=TS
> or
> Download and run the McAfee Removal tool:
> https://us.mcafee.com/root/MCPR2.exe
> If you receive a security alert, click Yes.
> Click Save to download the file to a location on your computer.
> Navigate to the location where the file was saved.
> Ensure all McAfee application windows are closed.
> Double-click MCPR2.exe to run the removal tool.
> Note: Windows Vista users must right-click and select Run as Administrator.
> Restart your computer when prompted. Your McAfee products will not be fully
> removed until you restart.
> All McAfee products are now removed from your computer.'
> or
> Remove all remnants of McAfee...
> http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/U...val-Tool.shtml
>
> How to uninstall or reinstall supported McAfee consumer products using the
> McAfee Consumer Products Removal tool (MCPR.exe)
> http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocumen...e&type=TS&ia=1
>
> IMPORTANT: If your McAfee products were preinstalled by the manufacturer of
> your computer, please make sure to activate your McAfee subscription before
> uninstalling. Reinstalling from a CD or download will only install your
> McAfee consumer applications, but may not recover your paid subscription
> term information.
>
> There are many good free AV applications available, and almost everyone has
> his favorite. Most of the users are emotionally attached to their av
> application and will have excellent reasons for not recommending any other
> brand.
> The most important thing here is that all of the available choices listed
> here are better in some respects than in others, and which choice is better
> for *you* depends on what you do, how you work, and which features you use.
> The way you use your PC is different from others.
> Have a look at this:
> http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm
> and be guided accordingly.
> Good info can be obtained here:
> http://www.majorgeeks.com/page.php?id=20
> and here:
> http://www.av-comparatives.org/
>
> If the above is too deluging consider this:-
> Real-time AV applications - for viral malware.
> Do not utilize more than one (1) real-time anti-virus scanning engine!
> Disable the e-mail scanning function during installation (Custom
> Installation on some AV apps.) as it provides no additional protection.
>
> Why You Don't Need Your Anti-Virus Program to Scan Your E-Mail
> http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm
> Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption.
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx
>
> Avira AntiVir® Personal - FREE Antivirus
> http://www.free-av.com/
> You may wish to consider removing the 'AntiVir Nagscreen'
> http://www.elitekiller.com/files/dis...ntivir_nag.htm
> or
> Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition
> It includes ANTI-SPYWARE protection, certified by the West Coast Labs
> Checkmark process, and ANTI-ROOTKIT DETECTION based on the best-in class
> GMER technology.
> http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html
> (Choose Custom Installation and under Resident
> Protection, uncheck: Internet Mail and Outlook/Exchange.)
> or
> AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition
> http://free.grisoft.com/
> (Choose custom install and untick the email scanner plugin.)
> or
> ESET NOD32 Antivirus - Not Free
> http://www.eset.com/
> or
> Kaspersky® Anti-Virus 7.0 - Not Free
> http://www.kaspersky.com/homeuser
>
> and (optional but highly recommendable)
>
> On-demand AV applications.
> (add them to your arsenal and use them as a "second opinion" av scanner).
> David H. Lipman's MULTI_AV Tool
> http://www.pctipp.ch/ds/28400/28470/Multi_AV.exe
> http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
> English:
> http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/...irus-for-free/
> Additional Instructions:
> http://pcdid.com/Multi_AV.htm
> and/or
> http://downloads5.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/AVPTool/
> There's no updating involved since the scanning engine is updated
> several times a day and you simply download the updated scanner whenever
> you want to do a scan.
>
> Dr.Web CureIt!® Utility - FREE
> http://www.freedrweb.com/cureit/
>
> Malwarebytes© Corporation - Anti-Malware
> http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam/program/mbam-setup.exe
> Note: It is Free for private use. Just download (do NOT buy) and install.
>
> A-S applications - for non-viral malware.
> The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and
> oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that
> cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple
> products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what
> another may miss, (grab'em all).
>
> SuperAntispyware - Free
> http://www.superantispyware.com/supe...freevspro.html
> and
> Ad-Aware 2007 - Free
> http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php
> http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10045910.html
> and
> Spybot Search & Destroy - Free
> http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html
> and
> Windows Defender - Free (build-in in Vista)
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...e/default.mspx
> WD monitors the start-registry and hooks registers/files to prevent spyware
> and worms to install to the OS.
> Interesting reading:
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136195/article.html
> "...Windows Defender did excel in behavior-based protection, which detects
> changes to key areas of the system without having to know anything about
> the actual threat."
>
> A clarification on the terminology: the word "malware" is short for
> "malicious software." Most Anti-Virus applications detect many types of
> malware such as viruses, worms, trojans, etc.
> What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware, and the
> term "non-viral malware" is normally used to refer to things like spyware
> and adware.
>
> Many experts suggest that Windows Live One Care is on the bottom of the
> list as far as finding virus\malware\trojan.
>
> You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in
> itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using.
>
> Managing the Windows Vista Firewall
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m.../cc510323.aspx
>
> Vista Firewall Control (Free versions available).
> Protects your applications from undesirable network incoming and outgoing
> activity, controls applications internet access.
> http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/
> The free version may be all you need, check the comparisons under
> the "Download and Buy" link.
>
> Good luck

Hi,

Taking the advice of several posters, I downloaded Avast, and then
deleted Norton 360 with the Norton Removal Tool. My computer now runs
much faster than before, a major improvement. Free is also nice.

Thanks for the good advice.

Morton Linder

07-27-2008	#11 (permalink)
Michael D. Ober n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message newsuep841ckjff329uvv5rldp5a546ju5c8f@xxxxxx Quote: > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:04:00 -0700, cameccas > <cameccas@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: >> Hi why does everytime i download an antivirus program like MC AFEE or >> NORTON >> my computer starts running more slowly ? it even freezes,why? doesn't it >> has >> to run better because it's cleaning all the bad stuff?? >> I even baught the NORTON 360 ALL-IN-ONE SECURITY and it made my computer >> run >> very ,very slow !!! what program can I get that would make my PC run >> better >> and safe ?? > > > Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and > McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely > affecting your computer's performance. > > For an anti-virus product, I recommend NOD32 if you want to spend a > little money, or Avast, if you want a free product. > > For anti-spyware, I would run at least two from the following list: > > Spyware Blaster > Spybot Search and Destroy > Adaware > Super Antispyware. > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > Please Reply to the Newsgroup > I have been using Panda Software's products both at home and on our corporate network for several years with good results. Panda doesn't impact system performance too much (all realtime AV solutions impact system performance) and I haven't had a virus at home. The two zero day exploits that made it through at work were stopped by Panda's heuristic based scanner on the machines that downloaded them from the internet. As for Norton - it requires a supercomputer to perform decently. As for McAffee - their AV product simply misses too many viruii. Mike Ober.
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07-27-2008	#12 (permalink)
Aardvark n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! I installed Windows Onecare and it works for me. I ran it against Gibson research http://www.grc.com/ and it passed with flying colors. I use a cable connection and have Weather Display software communicating every minute with somewhere and McAfee and Norton was not compaitible with my software. So.. I had to find something that worked. This works for me, it is a good anti-virus and firewall. I don't care for its lack of cleaning cookies ( so I use CCLeaner) and not sure if it does have a registry cleaner or not associated with it ( I had to get a 64 bit compatible cleaner which found 709 errors on a new machine ). But other than that.. My opinion... I'd say try what works for you and your needs and go with it.
My System Specs

07-27-2008	#13 (permalink)
Carey Frisch [MVP] n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! AV-Comparatives and Virus Bulletin have not tested OneCare v.2.5 When they do, you'll be quite surprised how OneCare has progressed from v.2.0 -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows System & Performance "Charlie42" wrote: Quote: > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: > > With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is > > no need to install a multitude of different security software. > > Ok, mr. Frisch. You have been ardently advocating OneCare in the Vista > newsgroups for quite some time now, why is that? I am not trolling here, I > just want to hear your reasons for picking this suite over more seasoned > software on the market. > Quote: > > -- An excellent antivirus application > > -- An excellent firewall application > > -- An excellent antispyware application > > Afaik, OneCare's performance is inferior to that of programs like Kaspersky, > AVG, Avast, NOD32 or even the dreaded Norton. I base this statement on test > results from renowned sites like AV-Comparatives and Virus Bulletin. > Quote: > > -- Automatic system tune-ups > > The registry cleaning part of OneCare has been heavily critisised, both > because many experts mean automated registry cleaning in general is > unnecessary and potentially harmful and because OneCare does not back up the > registry before executing changes (has this changed lately, btw?) > Quote: > > -- Automatic hard drive defrag > > This is included in the Vista OS. Why a third party tool? > Quote: > > -- Checks for updates to be sure they are installed > > -- Schedules automatic backups of important files > > -- New version 2.5 just released - designed to work > > exceptionally well with Windows Vista & XP. > > -- All-in-one convenient, easy to install application > > The same can be said for a number of security softwares. Scheduling and > updating is part of any decent suite or AV program. > > Charlie42 > >
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07-27-2008	#14 (permalink)
Kayman n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: <snip> Quote: > Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and > McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely > affecting your computer's performance. In all fairness, it's their retail version which can play havoc with pc's. AFAIK the corporate isues are pretty good Quote: > For an anti-virus product, I recommend NOD32 if you want to spend a > little money, or Avast, if you want a free product. > > For anti-spyware, I would run at least two from the following list: > > Spyware Blaster > Spybot Search and Destroy > Adaware > Super Antispyware.
My System Specs

07-27-2008	#15 (permalink)
Kayman n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:39:30 -0700, Aardvark wrote: Quote: > I installed Windows Onecare and it works for me. I ran it against Gibson > research > > http://www.grc.com/ > > and it passed with flying colors. <snip> Firewall LeakTesting. Excerpts: Leo Laporte: "So the leaktest is kind of pointless." Steve Gibson: "Well,yes,... Leo: "So are you saying that there's no point in doing a leaktest anymore?" Steve: "Well, it's why I have not taken the trouble to update mine, because you..." Leo: "You can't test enough". Steve: "Well, yeah. Leo: "Right. Very interesting stuff. I guess that - my sense is, if you can't test for leaks, a software-based firewall is kind of essentially worthless." Read and/or listen to the entire conversation here: http://www.grc.com/sn/SN-105.htm
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07-28-2008	#16 (permalink)
Milo n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! I would stand neurtral on such Choose from these names: Onecare / BitDefender / Kaspersky / TrendMicro The following are the only names I would trust "cameccas" <cameccas@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:AD94F1DE-94BE-41F6-A993-F7866AF0B620@xxxxxx Quote: > Hi why does everytime i download an antivirus program like MC AFEE or > NORTON > my computer starts running more slowly ? it even freezes,why? doesn't it > has > to run better because it's cleaning all the bad stuff?? > I even baught the NORTON 360 ALL-IN-ONE SECURITY and it made my computer > run > very ,very slow !!! what program can I get that would make my PC run > better > and safe ??
My System Specs

07-28-2008	#17 (permalink)
Charlie42 n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > AV-Comparatives and Virus Bulletin have not tested OneCare > v.2.5 When they do, you'll be quite surprised how OneCare has > progressed from v.2.0 I will watch the sites and ask again later then. Charlie42
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07-28-2008	#18 (permalink)
+Bob+ n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:01 +0700, Kayman <kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: > ><snip> > Quote: >> Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and >> McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely >> affecting your computer's performance. > >In all fairness, it's their retail version which can play havoc with >pc's. AFAIK the corporate isues are pretty good I might take exception to that. I used to consult at a major computer manufacturer ($20b+ in sales). The corporate standard was to use Norton. I often brought in hardware when I was there. One day I noticed a serious speed difference in network copying between the Norton encrusted systems and my own. So, we did some testing. We used very strict and repetitive test conditions on their Norton bound systems. The end result was that having Norton turned on during network copies slowed the copies by a factor of about 22 times. We started researching in Norton's support database and there was a bulletin on the problem as a "known issue" with network copying. It had been a known issue since Windows 95. Apparently they didn't seem to think it would matter to customers. I have to be fair to Nor ton that I have not done these tests again in the last couple years - but I started advising everyone to take it off their systems back then and I don't feel guilty still advising that.
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07-28-2008	#19 (permalink)
+Bob+ n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:04:03 +0800, "Milo" <jfcoel@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >I would stand neurtral on such > >Choose from these names: >Onecare / BitDefender / Kaspersky / TrendMicro > >The following are the only names I would trust You left out any you trust. I think you meant to write "AVG".
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07-28-2008	#20 (permalink)
Morton n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! Kayman wrote: Quote: > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:04:00 -0700, cameccas wrote: > Quote: >> Hi why does everytime i download an antivirus program like MC AFEE or NORTON >> my computer starts running more slowly ? it even freezes,why? doesn't it has >> to run better because it's cleaning all the bad stuff?? >> I even baught the NORTON 360 ALL-IN-ONE SECURITY and it made my computer run >> very ,very slow !!! what program can I get that would make my PC run better >> and safe ?? > > A number of experts agree that the retail AV version of McAfee, Norton and > Trend Micro has become cumbersome and bloated for the average user. > > The major criticisms are related to stability and footprint, the most > common problem being slow-downs because of the massive system resources > hogs. There are products on the market with equal or better test results > than Symantec's products, consuming less resources at a lower price (even > free ones). > > The retail version of these apps can play havoc with your pc. Uninstall it > using propriety uninstall tools: > > Download and run the Norton Removal Tool and try to get a refund: > http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...05033108162039 > The Norton Removal Tool uninstalls all Norton 2008/2007/2006/2005/2004/2003 > products and Norton 360 from your computer. > > Removal tools for recent Mcafee products:- > Request assistance from here: > http://forums.mcafeehelp.com/ > or download and run: > http://www.majorgeeks.com/McAfee_Con...ool_d5420.html > or > http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocumen...=10005&type=TS > or > Download and run the McAfee Removal tool: > https://us.mcafee.com/root/MCPR2.exe > If you receive a security alert, click Yes. > Click Save to download the file to a location on your computer. > Navigate to the location where the file was saved. > Ensure all McAfee application windows are closed. > Double-click MCPR2.exe to run the removal tool. > Note: Windows Vista users must right-click and select Run as Administrator. > Restart your computer when prompted. Your McAfee products will not be fully > removed until you restart. > All McAfee products are now removed from your computer.' > or > Remove all remnants of McAfee... > http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/U...val-Tool.shtml > > How to uninstall or reinstall supported McAfee consumer products using the > McAfee Consumer Products Removal tool (MCPR.exe) > http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocumen...e&type=TS&ia=1 > > IMPORTANT: If your McAfee products were preinstalled by the manufacturer of > your computer, please make sure to activate your McAfee subscription before > uninstalling. Reinstalling from a CD or download will only install your > McAfee consumer applications, but may not recover your paid subscription > term information. > > There are many good free AV applications available, and almost everyone has > his favorite. Most of the users are emotionally attached to their av > application and will have excellent reasons for not recommending any other > brand. > The most important thing here is that all of the available choices listed > here are better in some respects than in others, and which choice is better > for you depends on what you do, how you work, and which features you use. > The way you use your PC is different from others. > Have a look at this: > http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm > and be guided accordingly. > Good info can be obtained here: > http://www.majorgeeks.com/page.php?id=20 > and here: > http://www.av-comparatives.org/ > > If the above is too deluging consider this:- > Real-time AV applications - for viral malware. > Do not utilize more than one (1) real-time anti-virus scanning engine! > Disable the e-mail scanning function during installation (Custom > Installation on some AV apps.) as it provides no additional protection. > > Why You Don't Need Your Anti-Virus Program to Scan Your E-Mail > http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm > Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...orruption.mspx > > Avira AntiVir® Personal - FREE Antivirus > http://www.free-av.com/ > You may wish to consider removing the 'AntiVir Nagscreen' > http://www.elitekiller.com/files/dis...ntivir_nag.htm > or > Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition > It includes ANTI-SPYWARE protection, certified by the West Coast Labs > Checkmark process, and ANTI-ROOTKIT DETECTION based on the best-in class > GMER technology. > http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html > (Choose Custom Installation and under Resident > Protection, uncheck: Internet Mail and Outlook/Exchange.) > or > AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition > http://free.grisoft.com/ > (Choose custom install and untick the email scanner plugin.) > or > ESET NOD32 Antivirus - Not Free > http://www.eset.com/ > or > Kaspersky® Anti-Virus 7.0 - Not Free > http://www.kaspersky.com/homeuser > > and (optional but highly recommendable) > > On-demand AV applications. > (add them to your arsenal and use them as a "second opinion" av scanner). > David H. Lipman's MULTI_AV Tool > http://www.pctipp.ch/ds/28400/28470/Multi_AV.exe > http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > English: > http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/...irus-for-free/ > Additional Instructions: > http://pcdid.com/Multi_AV.htm > and/or > http://downloads5.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/AVPTool/ > There's no updating involved since the scanning engine is updated > several times a day and you simply download the updated scanner whenever > you want to do a scan. > > Dr.Web CureIt!® Utility - FREE > http://www.freedrweb.com/cureit/ > > Malwarebytes© Corporation - Anti-Malware > http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam/program/mbam-setup.exe > Note: It is Free for private use. Just download (do NOT buy) and install. > > A-S applications - for non-viral malware. > The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and > oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that > cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple > products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what > another may miss, (grab'em all). > > SuperAntispyware - Free > http://www.superantispyware.com/supe...freevspro.html > and > Ad-Aware 2007 - Free > http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php > http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10045910.html > and > Spybot Search & Destroy - Free > http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html > and > Windows Defender - Free (build-in in Vista) > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...e/default.mspx > WD monitors the start-registry and hooks registers/files to prevent spyware > and worms to install to the OS. > Interesting reading: > http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136195/article.html > "...Windows Defender did excel in behavior-based protection, which detects > changes to key areas of the system without having to know anything about > the actual threat." > > A clarification on the terminology: the word "malware" is short for > "malicious software." Most Anti-Virus applications detect many types of > malware such as viruses, worms, trojans, etc. > What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware, and the > term "non-viral malware" is normally used to refer to things like spyware > and adware. > > Many experts suggest that Windows Live One Care is on the bottom of the > list as far as finding virus\malware\trojan. > > You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in > itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using. > > Managing the Windows Vista Firewall > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m.../cc510323.aspx > > Vista Firewall Control (Free versions available). > Protects your applications from undesirable network incoming and outgoing > activity, controls applications internet access. > http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/ > The free version may be all you need, check the comparisons under > the "Download and Buy" link. > > Good luck Hi, Taking the advice of several posters, I downloaded Avast, and then deleted Norton 360 with the Norton Removal Tool. My computer now runs much faster than before, a major improvement. Free is also nice. Thanks for the good advice. Morton Linder
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