Vista - windows vista antivirus programs !!

07-29-2008

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:50:07 -0400, +Bob+ wrote:

Quote:

> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:01 +0700, Kayman
> <kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

Quote:

>>On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>

Quote:

>>> Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and
>>> McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely
>>> affecting your computer's performance.

>>
>>In all fairness, it's their *retail* version which can play havoc with
>>pc's. AFAIK the *corporate* isues are pretty good

>
> I might take exception to that. I used to consult at a major computer
> manufacturer ($20b+ in sales). The corporate standard was to use
> Norton. I often brought in hardware when I was there. One day I
> noticed a serious speed difference in network copying between the
> Norton encrusted systems and my own. So, we did some testing. We used
> very strict and repetitive test conditions on their Norton bound
> systems. The end result was that having Norton turned on during
> network copies slowed the copies by a factor of about 22 times.
>
> We started researching in Norton's support database and there was a
> bulletin on the problem as a "known issue" with network copying. It
> had been a known issue since Windows 95. Apparently they didn't seem
> to think it would matter to customers.
>
> I have to be fair to Nor ton that I have not done these tests again in
> the last couple years - but I started advising everyone to take it off
> their systems back then and I don't feel guilty still advising that.

you seem to be pretty up-to-date, got any more tales to tell? Zzzzzzzzzz

07-29-2008

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:01 +0700, Kayman
<kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>
> <snip>
>

Quote:

> > Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and
> > McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely
> > affecting your computer's performance.

>
> In all fairness, it's their *retail* version which can play havoc with
> pc's. AFAIK the *corporate* isues are pretty good

Yes, I understand the same thing. I have no personal experience with
the corporate version of Norton, but I've heard good things about it
too.

I was referring only to the retail version, which is what almost
everyone here means when they talk about their anti-virus software.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

07-29-2008

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:54:48 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

Quote:

> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:01 +0700, Kayman
> <kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

Quote:

>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>

Quote:

>>> Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and
>>> McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely
>>> affecting your computer's performance.

>>
>> In all fairness, it's their *retail* version which can play havoc with
>> pc's. AFAIK the *corporate* isues are pretty good

>
>
> Yes, I understand the same thing. I have no personal experience with
> the corporate version of Norton, but I've heard good things about it
> too.
>
> I was referring only to the retail version, which is what almost
> everyone here means when they talk about their anti-virus software.

Yes, you're right. My reponse was probably too trivial; Sorry about that.

07-30-2008

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:01:13 +0700, Kayman
<kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>>
>> We started researching in Norton's support database and there was a
>> bulletin on the problem as a "known issue" with network copying. It
>> had been a known issue since Windows 95. Apparently they didn't seem
>> to think it would matter to customers.
>>
>> I have to be fair to Nor ton that I have not done these tests again in
>> the last couple years - but I started advising everyone to take it off
>> their systems back then and I don't feel guilty still advising that.

>
>you seem to be pretty up-to-date, got any more tales to tell? Zzzzzzzzzz

Perhaps you can't read between the lines. Let me help you out: The
point is that any company that would have this kind of major flaw in
their software for years and leave it unfixed has no concern for the
customers, even their (most important) corporate customers. Their only
concern was to document it as "known issue".

If you want to business with a company with those policies, go for it.
You can let us know which flaws you find in the latest version. I'll
go with a product without known serious flaws.

07-30-2008

+Bob+ wrote:

Quote:

> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:01 +0700, Kayman
> <kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

Quote:

>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>

Quote:

>>> Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and
>>> McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely
>>> affecting your computer's performance.

>> In all fairness, it's their *retail* version which can play havoc with
>> pc's. AFAIK the *corporate* isues are pretty good

>
> I might take exception to that. I used to consult at a major computer
> manufacturer ($20b+ in sales). The corporate standard was to use
> Norton. I often brought in hardware when I was there. One day I
> noticed a serious speed difference in network copying between the
> Norton encrusted systems and my own. So, we did some testing. We used
> very strict and repetitive test conditions on their Norton bound
> systems. The end result was that having Norton turned on during
> network copies slowed the copies by a factor of about 22 times.
>
> We started researching in Norton's support database and there was a
> bulletin on the problem as a "known issue" with network copying. It
> had been a known issue since Windows 95. Apparently they didn't seem
> to think it would matter to customers.
>
> I have to be fair to Nor ton that I have not done these tests again in
> the last couple years - but I started advising everyone to take it off
> their systems back then and I don't feel guilty still advising that.
>
>

I have to concur. At the Hospice I support, I "upgraded" to Symantec CE.
The first thing that struck you was that a client scan basically took
over the machine. The employee basically had a useless machine until it
finished.

The console was horrible and difficult to use with very limited options.
I also found that just about any update virtually required a reinstall
and pushing out new client code. Not a pretty sight.... :-(

We ended up switching to Sophos End Point Security and never looked
back. If anyone wants, I can discuss it, but since the OP seemed
interested in personal AV software, not Corporate...

--

Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services

07-31-2008

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:39:16 -0400, +Bob+ wrote:

Quote:

> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:01:13 +0700, Kayman
> <kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

Quote:

>>>
>>> We started researching in Norton's support database and there was a
>>> bulletin on the problem as a "known issue" with network copying. It
>>> had been a known issue since Windows 95. Apparently they didn't seem
>>> to think it would matter to customers.
>>>
>>> I have to be fair to Nor ton that I have not done these tests again in
>>> the last couple years - but I started advising everyone to take it off
>>> their systems back then and I don't feel guilty still advising that.

>>
>>you seem to be pretty up-to-date, got any more tales to tell? Zzzzzzzzzz

>
> Perhaps you can't read between the lines.

Well, I was never trained reading between the lines...

Quote:

> Let me help you out:

....and at my age I am not really interested.

<snip for brevity>

Read my original response to the original poster, this may (or may not)
give you some idea where I coming from.

08-05-2008

I agree with Ken Blake on this one. Personally I just switched over to Avast
and it is an incredibly accurate product. Free to boot!! And does not slow
down my computer one bit, even when scanning the HDD and I have it on
'thorough scan'.

I also use Ad-Aware (free version) and love it. I've not had any problems
with spyware, malware, viruses or adware since using these products.

Much luck to you!

Brittany D

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:04:00 -0700, cameccas
> <cameccas@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

Quote:

>> Hi why does everytime i download an antivirus program like MC AFEE or
>> NORTON
>> my computer starts running more slowly ? it even freezes,why? doesn't it
>> has
>> to run better because it's cleaning all the bad stuff??
>> I even baught the NORTON 360 ALL-IN-ONE SECURITY and it made my computer
>> run
>> very ,very slow !!! what program can I get that would make my PC run
>> better
>> and safe ??

>
>
> Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and
> McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely
> affecting your computer's performance.
>
> For an anti-virus product, I recommend NOD32 if you want to spend a
> little money, or Avast, if you want a free product.
>
> For anti-spyware, I would run at least two from the following list:
>
> Spyware Blaster
> Spybot Search and Destroy
> Adaware
> Super Antispyware.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

08-06-2008

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:06:08 -0400, "Brittany D"
<xihatevistax@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

> I agree with Ken Blake on this one. Personally I just switched over to Avast
> and it is an incredibly accurate product. Free to boot!! And does not slow
> down my computer one bit, even when scanning the HDD and I have it on
> 'thorough scan'.

By the way, one of my favorite features of Avast is that you can set
it to scan automatically whenever your screen saver comes on, so you
never have to actually initiate a scan yourself. I mention this only
in case you're not aware of it.

Quote:

> I also use Ad-Aware (free version) and love it. I've not had any problems
> with spyware, malware, viruses or adware since using these products.
>
> Much luck to you!
>
> Brittany D
>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news

uep841ckjff329uvv5rldp5a546ju5c8f@xxxxxx

Quote:

> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:04:00 -0700, cameccas
> > <cameccas@xxxxxx> wrote:
> >

Quote:

> >> Hi why does everytime i download an antivirus program like MC AFEE or
> >> NORTON
> >> my computer starts running more slowly ? it even freezes,why? doesn't it
> >> has
> >> to run better because it's cleaning all the bad stuff??
> >> I even baught the NORTON 360 ALL-IN-ONE SECURITY and it made my computer
> >> run
> >> very ,very slow !!! what program can I get that would make my PC run
> >> better
> >> and safe ??

> >
> >
> > Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and
> > McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely
> > affecting your computer's performance.
> >
> > For an anti-virus product, I recommend NOD32 if you want to spend a
> > little money, or Avast, if you want a free product.
> >
> > For anti-spyware, I would run at least two from the following list:
> >
> > Spyware Blaster
> > Spybot Search and Destroy
> > Adaware
> > Super Antispyware.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

kemo · 08-08-2008

Hmm, try NOD 32 antivirus with Spybot installed, I don't think, you will get "infected" with some kind of virus, spyware and so on... thats my combination and my system is clear, fresh and fast...

PS:

Every day are ppl coming to our company to reinstall their OS to Win XP or Vista, and every time they told me and pleased me to DON'T install McAfee and other bullsh*t (sorry for that word) to their laptops or desktop PCs, I tried this stuff one TIME, and it was at last I ever did that, this kind of software really smash your system...

)

// kemo

08-09-2008

"kemo" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> schreef in bericht
news:9711c389ec5c588265b18923957f07cc@xxxxxx-gateway.com...

Quote:

>
> Hmm, try NOD 32 antivirus with Spybot installed, I don't think, you will
> get "infected" with some kind of virus, spyware and so on... thats my
> combination and my system is clear, fresh and fast...
>
> PS:
>
> Every day are ppl coming to our company to reinstall their OS to Win XP
> or Vista, and every time they told me and pleased me to DON'T install
> McAfee and other bullsh*t (sorry for that word) to their laptops or
> desktop PCs, I tried this stuff one TIME, and it was at last I ever did
> that, this kind of software really smash your system...
>
>

)
>
> // kemo
>
>
> --
> kemo

Do it more simple and cheaper: Avira Security Suite asks half of the price
others ask and scores always very good in test bulletins: it always belongs
to the first three, and is simple to install.

07-29-2008	#21
Kayman n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:50:07 -0400, +Bob+ wrote: Quote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:01 +0700, Kayman > <kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: >>On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: >> >><snip> >> Quote: >>> Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and >>> McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely >>> affecting your computer's performance. >> >>In all fairness, it's their retail version which can play havoc with >>pc's. AFAIK the corporate isues are pretty good > > I might take exception to that. I used to consult at a major computer > manufacturer ($20b+ in sales). The corporate standard was to use > Norton. I often brought in hardware when I was there. One day I > noticed a serious speed difference in network copying between the > Norton encrusted systems and my own. So, we did some testing. We used > very strict and repetitive test conditions on their Norton bound > systems. The end result was that having Norton turned on during > network copies slowed the copies by a factor of about 22 times. > > We started researching in Norton's support database and there was a > bulletin on the problem as a "known issue" with network copying. It > had been a known issue since Windows 95. Apparently they didn't seem > to think it would matter to customers. > > I have to be fair to Nor ton that I have not done these tests again in > the last couple years - but I started advising everyone to take it off > their systems back then and I don't feel guilty still advising that. you seem to be pretty up-to-date, got any more tales to tell? Zzzzzzzzzz
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07-29-2008	#22
Ken Blake, MVP n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:01 +0700, Kayman <kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: > > <snip> > Quote: > > Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and > > McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely > > affecting your computer's performance. > > In all fairness, it's their retail version which can play havoc with > pc's. AFAIK the corporate isues are pretty good Yes, I understand the same thing. I have no personal experience with the corporate version of Norton, but I've heard good things about it too. I was referring only to the retail version, which is what almost everyone here means when they talk about their anti-virus software. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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07-29-2008	#23
Kayman n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:54:48 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: Quote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:01 +0700, Kayman > <kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: >> >> <snip> >> Quote: >>> Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and >>> McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely >>> affecting your computer's performance. >> >> In all fairness, it's their retail version which can play havoc with >> pc's. AFAIK the corporate isues are pretty good > > > Yes, I understand the same thing. I have no personal experience with > the corporate version of Norton, but I've heard good things about it > too. > > I was referring only to the retail version, which is what almost > everyone here means when they talk about their anti-virus software. Yes, you're right. My reponse was probably too trivial; Sorry about that.
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07-30-2008	#24
+Bob+ n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:01:13 +0700, Kayman <kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: Quote: >> >> We started researching in Norton's support database and there was a >> bulletin on the problem as a "known issue" with network copying. It >> had been a known issue since Windows 95. Apparently they didn't seem >> to think it would matter to customers. >> >> I have to be fair to Nor ton that I have not done these tests again in >> the last couple years - but I started advising everyone to take it off >> their systems back then and I don't feel guilty still advising that. > >you seem to be pretty up-to-date, got any more tales to tell? Zzzzzzzzzz Perhaps you can't read between the lines. Let me help you out: The point is that any company that would have this kind of major flaw in their software for years and leave it unfixed has no concern for the customers, even their (most important) corporate customers. Their only concern was to document it as "known issue". If you want to business with a company with those policies, go for it. You can let us know which flaws you find in the latest version. I'll go with a product without known serious flaws.
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07-30-2008	#25
Hank Arnold (MVP) n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! +Bob+ wrote: Quote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:01 +0700, Kayman > <kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: >> >> <snip> >> Quote: >>> Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and >>> McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely >>> affecting your computer's performance. >> In all fairness, it's their retail version which can play havoc with >> pc's. AFAIK the corporate isues are pretty good > > I might take exception to that. I used to consult at a major computer > manufacturer ($20b+ in sales). The corporate standard was to use > Norton. I often brought in hardware when I was there. One day I > noticed a serious speed difference in network copying between the > Norton encrusted systems and my own. So, we did some testing. We used > very strict and repetitive test conditions on their Norton bound > systems. The end result was that having Norton turned on during > network copies slowed the copies by a factor of about 22 times. > > We started researching in Norton's support database and there was a > bulletin on the problem as a "known issue" with network copying. It > had been a known issue since Windows 95. Apparently they didn't seem > to think it would matter to customers. > > I have to be fair to Nor ton that I have not done these tests again in > the last couple years - but I started advising everyone to take it off > their systems back then and I don't feel guilty still advising that. > > I have to concur. At the Hospice I support, I "upgraded" to Symantec CE. The first thing that struck you was that a client scan basically took over the machine. The employee basically had a useless machine until it finished. The console was horrible and difficult to use with very limited options. I also found that just about any update virtually required a reinstall and pushing out new client code. Not a pretty sight.... :-( We ended up switching to Sophos End Point Security and never looked back. If anyone wants, I can discuss it, but since the OP seemed interested in personal AV software, not Corporate... -- Regards, Hank Arnold Microsoft MVP Windows Server - Directory Services
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07-31-2008	#26
Kayman n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:39:16 -0400, +Bob+ wrote: Quote: > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:01:13 +0700, Kayman > <kaymanDeleteThis@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: Quote: >>> >>> We started researching in Norton's support database and there was a >>> bulletin on the problem as a "known issue" with network copying. It >>> had been a known issue since Windows 95. Apparently they didn't seem >>> to think it would matter to customers. >>> >>> I have to be fair to Nor ton that I have not done these tests again in >>> the last couple years - but I started advising everyone to take it off >>> their systems back then and I don't feel guilty still advising that. >> >>you seem to be pretty up-to-date, got any more tales to tell? Zzzzzzzzzz > > Perhaps you can't read between the lines. Well, I was never trained reading between the lines... Quote: > Let me help you out: ....and at my age I am not really interested. <snip for brevity> Read my original response to the original poster, this may (or may not) give you some idea where I coming from.
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08-05-2008	#27
Brittany D n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! I agree with Ken Blake on this one. Personally I just switched over to Avast and it is an incredibly accurate product. Free to boot!! And does not slow down my computer one bit, even when scanning the HDD and I have it on 'thorough scan'. I also use Ad-Aware (free version) and love it. I've not had any problems with spyware, malware, viruses or adware since using these products. Much luck to you! Brittany D "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message newsuep841ckjff329uvv5rldp5a546ju5c8f@xxxxxx Quote: > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:04:00 -0700, cameccas > <cameccas@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: >> Hi why does everytime i download an antivirus program like MC AFEE or >> NORTON >> my computer starts running more slowly ? it even freezes,why? doesn't it >> has >> to run better because it's cleaning all the bad stuff?? >> I even baught the NORTON 360 ALL-IN-ONE SECURITY and it made my computer >> run >> very ,very slow !!! what program can I get that would make my PC run >> better >> and safe ?? > > > Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and > McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely > affecting your computer's performance. > > For an anti-virus product, I recommend NOD32 if you want to spend a > little money, or Avast, if you want a free product. > > For anti-spyware, I would run at least two from the following list: > > Spyware Blaster > Spybot Search and Destroy > Adaware > Super Antispyware. > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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08-06-2008	#28
Ken Blake, MVP n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:06:08 -0400, "Brittany D" <xihatevistax@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > I agree with Ken Blake on this one. Personally I just switched over to Avast > and it is an incredibly accurate product. Free to boot!! And does not slow > down my computer one bit, even when scanning the HDD and I have it on > 'thorough scan'. By the way, one of my favorite features of Avast is that you can set it to scan automatically whenever your screen saver comes on, so you never have to actually initiate a scan yourself. I mention this only in case you're not aware of it. Quote: > I also use Ad-Aware (free version) and love it. I've not had any problems > with spyware, malware, viruses or adware since using these products. > > Much luck to you! > > Brittany D > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> wrote in message > newsuep841ckjff329uvv5rldp5a546ju5c8f@xxxxxx Quote: > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:04:00 -0700, cameccas > > <cameccas@xxxxxx> wrote: > > Quote: > >> Hi why does everytime i download an antivirus program like MC AFEE or > >> NORTON > >> my computer starts running more slowly ? it even freezes,why? doesn't it > >> has > >> to run better because it's cleaning all the bad stuff?? > >> I even baught the NORTON 360 ALL-IN-ONE SECURITY and it made my computer > >> run > >> very ,very slow !!! what program can I get that would make my PC run > >> better > >> and safe ?? > > > > > > Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and > > McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely > > affecting your computer's performance. > > > > For an anti-virus product, I recommend NOD32 if you want to spend a > > little money, or Avast, if you want a free product. > > > > For anti-spyware, I would run at least two from the following list: > > > > Spyware Blaster > > Spybot Search and Destroy > > Adaware > > Super Antispyware. > > > > -- > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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08-08-2008	#29
kemo Vista Home Premium x64 SP1 13 posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! Hmm, try NOD 32 antivirus with Spybot installed, I don't think, you will get "infected" with some kind of virus, spyware and so on... thats my combination and my system is clear, fresh and fast... PS: Every day are ppl coming to our company to reinstall their OS to Win XP or Vista, and every time they told me and pleased me to DON'T install McAfee and other bullsh*t (sorry for that word) to their laptops or desktop PCs, I tried this stuff one TIME, and it was at last I ever did that, this kind of software really smash your system... ) // kemo
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08-09-2008	#30
Flight n/a posts	Re: windows vista antivirus programs !! "kemo" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> schreef in bericht news:9711c389ec5c588265b18923957f07cc@xxxxxx-gateway.com... Quote: > > Hmm, try NOD 32 antivirus with Spybot installed, I don't think, you will > get "infected" with some kind of virus, spyware and so on... thats my > combination and my system is clear, fresh and fast... > > PS: > > Every day are ppl coming to our company to reinstall their OS to Win XP > or Vista, and every time they told me and pleased me to DON'T install > McAfee and other bullsh*t (sorry for that word) to their laptops or > desktop PCs, I tried this stuff one TIME, and it was at last I ever did > that, this kind of software really smash your system... > > ) > > // kemo > > > -- > kemo Do it more simple and cheaper: Avira Security Suite asks half of the price others ask and scores always very good in test bulletins: it always belongs to the first three, and is simple to install.
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