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11-19-2008
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| | Re: Backup strategies?? Richie Hardwick wrote: Quote: > Neil Jones <castellan2004-nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com> wrote: > > Quote: >> How do you remove the first backup? That is what I am missing. When I >> do a disk cleanup, all the backups are being deleted. >> >> PS - The backup disk is an external disk and does not list all the >> backups during the disk cleanup process. > If you don't want the entire drive to have backups, then partition it. > > Using Vista's backup (which I think is a crappy backup solution), the > oldest will be deleted to make room for the new one. > > If I am wrong, we both shall surely hear about it instantly. > there to create a complete backup of the system? NJ |
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11-19-2008
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| | Re: Backup strategies?? Andre Da Costa wrote: Quote: > Vista's Complete PC Backup automatically does the removal of the oldest > backups. one image when I was trying to restore the system. NJ |
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11-19-2008
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| | Re: Backup strategies?? In article <GF2Vk.22495$VN1.8781@xxxxxx>, castellan2004- nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com says... Quote: > I have a 500GB backup disk to which I did a complete backup of my system > about 3 times now. Although I am not really running out of space, I > would like to keep the maximum number of backups to 3 or 4 with the > oldest being the most reliable backup. > > How do I implement such backup procedure without using additional disk > space? > > Thank you in advance for any help. file name it creates. So, BU Job 1 writes to MONDAY.BKF BU Job 2 writes to WEDNESDAY.BKF BU Job 3 writes to FRIDAY.BKF Since you set the jobs to overwrite, they will only maintain 3 jobs. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@xxxxxx (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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11-19-2008
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| | Re: Backup strategies?? Neil Jones <castellan2004-nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com> wrote: Quote: >Richie Hardwick wrote: Quote: >> Neil Jones <castellan2004-nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Quote: >>> How do you remove the first backup? That is what I am missing. When I >>> do a disk cleanup, all the backups are being deleted. >>> >>> PS - The backup disk is an external disk and does not list all the >>> backups during the disk cleanup process. >> If you don't want the entire drive to have backups, then partition it. >> >> Using Vista's backup (which I think is a crappy backup solution), the >> oldest will be deleted to make room for the new one. >> >> If I am wrong, we both shall surely hear about it instantly. >> >The Vista backup software seems to be ok. What other backup software is >there to create a complete backup of the system? years, now. Richie Hardwick |
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11-20-2008
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| | Re: Backup strategies?? Neil Jones explained on 20/11/2008 : Quote: > Richie Hardwick wrote: Quote: >> Neil Jones <castellan2004-nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Quote: >>> How do you remove the first backup? That is what I am missing. When I >>> do a disk cleanup, all the backups are being deleted. >>> >>> PS - The backup disk is an external disk and does not list all the >>> backups during the disk cleanup process. >> If you don't want the entire drive to have backups, then partition it. >> >> Using Vista's backup (which I think is a crappy backup solution), the >> oldest will be deleted to make room for the new one. >> >> If I am wrong, we both shall surely hear about it instantly. >> > The Vista backup software seems to be ok. What other backup software is > there to create a complete backup of the system? > > NJ http://www.paragon-software.com/home/db-express/ Comodo Backup http://backup.comodo.com Both free and working with Vista; I use the first one and works well on Vista 64 bit -- Privacylover: http://www.privacylover.com |
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11-20-2008
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| | Re: Backup strategies?? Leythos wrote: Quote: > In article <GF2Vk.22495$VN1.8781@xxxxxx>, castellan2004- > nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com says... Quote: >> I have a 500GB backup disk to which I did a complete backup of my system >> about 3 times now. Although I am not really running out of space, I >> would like to keep the maximum number of backups to 3 or 4 with the >> oldest being the most reliable backup. >> >> How do I implement such backup procedure without using additional disk >> space? >> >> Thank you in advance for any help. > Create 3 separate backup jobs, each one should be set to OVERWRITE the > file name it creates. > > So, > > BU Job 1 writes to MONDAY.BKF > BU Job 2 writes to WEDNESDAY.BKF > BU Job 3 writes to FRIDAY.BKF > > Since you set the jobs to overwrite, they will only maintain 3 jobs. > NJ |
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11-20-2008
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| | Re: Backup strategies?? In article <22bVk.22580$VN1.22566@xxxxxx>, castellan2004- nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com says... Quote: > Leythos wrote: Quote: > > In article <GF2Vk.22495$VN1.8781@xxxxxx>, castellan2004- > > nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com says... Quote: > >> I have a 500GB backup disk to which I did a complete backup of my system > >> about 3 times now. Although I am not really running out of space, I > >> would like to keep the maximum number of backups to 3 or 4 with the > >> oldest being the most reliable backup. > >> > >> How do I implement such backup procedure without using additional disk > >> space? > >> > >> Thank you in advance for any help. > > Create 3 separate backup jobs, each one should be set to OVERWRITE the > > file name it creates. > > > > So, > > > > BU Job 1 writes to MONDAY.BKF > > BU Job 2 writes to WEDNESDAY.BKF > > BU Job 3 writes to FRIDAY.BKF > > > > Since you set the jobs to overwrite, they will only maintain 3 jobs. > > > How do you create these backup jobs in Vista? Please excuse my ignorance. using Vista Backup in your original post. Here is a link that explains some about Vista backup http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m.../cc137798.aspx -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@xxxxxx (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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11-20-2008
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| | Re: Backup strategies?? Change the machine name to have multiple Complete PC Backups. Complete PC Backups saves its .VHD files based on the machine name. So say your PC is named Dell8300-Vista Everytime you decide to do a Complete PC Backup you could change the name of the machine to: Dell8300-Vista1 Dell8300-Vista2 Dell8300-Vista3 Dell8300-Vista4 You can change the Machine name by click start > System > Advanced system settings > Computer Name (tab) > click 'Change' give the machine a new name, and restart the system. -- Best regards, Andre Da Costa http://adacosta.spaces.live.com "Neil Jones" <castellan2004-nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:22bVk.22580$VN1.22566@xxxxxx Quote: > Leythos wrote: Quote: >> In article <GF2Vk.22495$VN1.8781@xxxxxx>, castellan2004- >> nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com says... Quote: >>> I have a 500GB backup disk to which I did a complete backup of my system >>> about 3 times now. Although I am not really running out of space, I >>> would like to keep the maximum number of backups to 3 or 4 with the >>> oldest being the most reliable backup. >>> >>> How do I implement such backup procedure without using additional disk >>> space? >>> >>> Thank you in advance for any help. >> Create 3 separate backup jobs, each one should be set to OVERWRITE the >> file name it creates. >> >> So, >> >> BU Job 1 writes to MONDAY.BKF >> BU Job 2 writes to WEDNESDAY.BKF >> BU Job 3 writes to FRIDAY.BKF >> >> Since you set the jobs to overwrite, they will only maintain 3 jobs. >> > How do you create these backup jobs in Vista? Please excuse my ignorance. > > NJ |
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11-20-2008
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| | Re: Backup strategies?? Careful now... Leythos clearly stated he does not use Vista. Vista backup options are different depending on what version of Vista you are running. For instance, all versions provide the ability to backup files, but only Ultimate, Business and Enterprise provide Complete PC Backup and Shadow Copy restoration. I state "restoration" because all versions make Shadow Copies, but you cannot access them from some versions. Vista does not allow you to easily make more than one full backup on the same storage medium for the same computer. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...es/backup.aspx It is these two quirks that drive most users to buy a third party program for backups. "Leythos" <spam999free@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:MPG.238f122929c0f641989701@xxxxxx Quote: > In article <22bVk.22580$VN1.22566@xxxxxx>, castellan2004- > nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com says... Quote: > > Leythos wrote: Quote: > > > In article <GF2Vk.22495$VN1.8781@xxxxxx>, castellan2004- > > > nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com says... > > >> I have a 500GB backup disk to which I did a complete backup of my Quote: Quote: Quote: > > >> about 3 times now. Although I am not really running out of space, I > > >> would like to keep the maximum number of backups to 3 or 4 with the > > >> oldest being the most reliable backup. > > >> > > >> How do I implement such backup procedure without using additional Quote: Quote: Quote: > > >> space? > > >> > > >> Thank you in advance for any help. > > > > > > Create 3 separate backup jobs, each one should be set to OVERWRITE the > > > file name it creates. > > > > > > So, > > > > > > BU Job 1 writes to MONDAY.BKF > > > BU Job 2 writes to WEDNESDAY.BKF > > > BU Job 3 writes to FRIDAY.BKF > > > > > > Since you set the jobs to overwrite, they will only maintain 3 jobs. > > > > > How do you create these backup jobs in Vista? Please excuse my Quote: > > Don't know, don't use Vista. You should have specified that you were > using Vista Backup in your original post. > > Here is a link that explains some about Vista backup > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m.../cc137798.aspx > > > > -- > - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. > - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a > drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" > spam999free@xxxxxx (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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11-20-2008
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| | Re: Backup strategies?? Vista's Complete PC Backup does not create each backup as an independent file. When you run the first Complete Backup, it copies everything. Next time you run, it only copies changed disk blocks. So the integrity of the 2nd backup depends on the existence of the first backup. It continues that way until it starts to run out of room. At any time you can restore to any of your backed-up versions, since the older, now superseded blocks, stay on the backup disk when the replacement blocks are added in a newer backup. At some point it starts to run out of space. At that time it will remove the blocks from the oldest backup that were superceded by the 2nd-oldest backup. Any blocks from that oldest backup that are still current will remain, since they are logically still part of the current backup. Bottom line is that Vista has to control the backup storage because it's more complicated than traditional backups. The benefit of the complexity is a) faster backups because only the new blocks have to be copied to backup b) reduced storage because blocks are only copied when they actually change. "Andre Da Costa" <andred25@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:0E43A076-50E0-409E-8BB3-44D53BDEA80C@xxxxxx Quote: > Vista's Complete PC Backup automatically does the removal of the oldest > backups. > -- > Best regards, > Andre Da Costa > http://adacosta.spaces.live.com > > "Neil Jones" <castellan2004-nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:ZO3Vk.21884$9Z6.13701@xxxxxx Quote: >> FromTheRafters wrote: Quote: >>> "Neil Jones" <castellan2004-nschap@xxxxxx-this.yahoo.com> wrote in >>> message >>> news:GF2Vk.22495$VN1.8781@xxxxxx >>>> I have a 500GB backup disk to which I did a complete backup of my >>>> system >>>> about 3 times now. Although I am not really running out of space, I >>>> would like to keep the maximum number of backups to 3 or 4 with the >>>> oldest being the most reliable backup. >>>> >>>> How do I implement such backup procedure without using additional disk >>>> space? >>> >>> You don't. Each separate complete backup will require additional disk >>> space. >>> >>> Why not delete the first after you create the fifth - keeping four at >>> all >>> times. >>> >>> >> How do you remove the first backup? That is what I am missing. When I >> do a disk cleanup, all the backups are being deleted. >> >> PS - The backup disk is an external disk and does not list all the >> backups during the disk cleanup process. >> >> Thank you again. >> >> NJ |
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