Vista - MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'

12-09-2008

Beware of the *opt-out* behavior of Sun's java automatic updater. In the
US, at least, the MSN toolbar comes PREchecked [opt-out] and will
install along with purported java 'security' updates. Said 'security'
updates are presented as the latest version of Sun's java runtime.

Including crappy toolbars with security updates as an opt-out is a
REALLY dumb, shortsighted decision.
Shame on MS for doing so.

As to Sun's java, who needs it ?
If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague.
*Especially* any site that does financial transactions.

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============

12-09-2008

I don't like pre-checked opt-in boxes any more than you, but I wonder
why you happen to pick on Java, when this practice is widespread among
software providers, and why particularly Java-employing websites,
especially financial websites.

Sounds like you have a bone to pick with an unnamed Java-employing
financial website, and because of that I should avoid software that has
served me well for years?
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

MowGreen [MVP] wrote:

Quote:

> Beware of the *opt-out* behavior of Sun's java automatic updater. In the
> US, at least, the MSN toolbar comes PREchecked [opt-out] and will
> install along with purported java 'security' updates. Said 'security'
> updates are presented as the latest version of Sun's java runtime.
>
> Including crappy toolbars with security updates as an opt-out is a
> REALLY dumb, shortsighted decision.
> Shame on MS for doing so.
>
> As to Sun's java, who needs it ?
> If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague.
> *Especially* any site that does financial transactions.
>
>
> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
> ===============
> *-343-* FDNY
> Never Forgotten
> ===============
>
>
>
>
>

12-09-2008

The date and time was 12/9/2008 1:36 PM, and on a whim, MowGreen [MVP]
pounded out on the keyboard:

Quote:

> Beware of the *opt-out* behavior of Sun's java automatic updater. In the
> US, at least, the MSN toolbar comes PREchecked [opt-out] and will
> install along with purported java 'security' updates. Said 'security'
> updates are presented as the latest version of Sun's java runtime.
>
> Including crappy toolbars with security updates as an opt-out is a
> REALLY dumb, shortsighted decision.
> Shame on MS for doing so.
>
> As to Sun's java, who needs it ?
> If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague.
> *Especially* any site that does financial transactions.
>
>
> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
> ===============
> *-343-* FDNY
> Never Forgotten
> ===============
>
>
>
>
>

Hi Mow,

Is that MS's fault? When I downloaded Java 6.11 the day it was
released, I had the Yahoo toolbar option. When I downloaded it again
the day after (on another network), the Open Office option was
presented. It appears Sun is bundling these toolbars only on some
install files. On both of my downloads, I downloaded the offline (full)
version.

--
Terry R.

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12-09-2008

Ah, Steve:

Many hardware firewalls, such as Cisco, require Java to log into them.

Tom
: As to Sun's java, who needs it ?
: If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague.
: *Especially* any site that does financial transactions.
:
:
: MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
: ===============
: *-343-* FDNY
: Never Forgotten
: ===============
:
:
:
:
:

12-09-2008

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:36:40 -0800, "MowGreen [MVP]"
<mowgreen@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague.
>*Especially* any site that does financial transactions.

That would eliminate a LOT of websites.

Given that, I'd say your advice is relatively worthless here.

12-09-2008

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:48:48 -0600, "Tom [Pepper] Willett"
<tom@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>Ah, Steve:
>
>Many hardware firewalls, such as Cisco, require Java to log into them.
>
>Tom

Just tell him in plain English that he's fulla crap on this.

12-09-2008

From: "Terry R." <F1Com@xxxxxx>

| The date and time was 12/9/2008 1:36 PM, and on a whim, MowGreen [MVP]
| pounded out on the keyboard:

Quote:

>> Beware of the *opt-out* behavior of Sun's java automatic updater. In the
>> US, at least, the MSN toolbar comes PREchecked [opt-out] and will
>> install along with purported java 'security' updates. Said 'security'
>> updates are presented as the latest version of Sun's java runtime.

Quote:

>> Including crappy toolbars with security updates as an opt-out is a
>> REALLY dumb, shortsighted decision.
>> Shame on MS for doing so.

Quote:

>> As to Sun's java, who needs it ?
>> If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague.
>> *Especially* any site that does financial transactions.

Quote:

>> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
>> ===============
>> *-343-* FDNY
>> Never Forgotten
>> ===============

| Hi Mow,

| Is that MS's fault? When I downloaded Java 6.11 the day it was
| released, I had the Yahoo toolbar option. When I downloaded it again
| the day after (on another network), the Open Office option was
| presented. It appears Sun is bundling these toolbars only on some
| install files. On both of my downloads, I downloaded the offline (full)
| version.

A better place to download is...
http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp

Then you won't download the version with the Yahoo Toolbar.

jre-6u11-windows-i586-p-s.exe --> contains the toolbar

jre-6u11-windows-i586-p.exe --> does not contain the toolbar

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

12-09-2008

From: "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@xxxxxx>

| Beware of the *opt-out* behavior of Sun's java automatic updater. In the
| US, at least, the MSN toolbar comes PREchecked [opt-out] and will
| install along with purported java 'security' updates. Said 'security'
| updates are presented as the latest version of Sun's java runtime.

| Including crappy toolbars with security updates as an opt-out is a
| REALLY dumb, shortsighted decision.
| Shame on MS for doing so.

| As to Sun's java, who needs it ?
| If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague.
| *Especially* any site that does financial transactions.

| MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
| ===============
| *-343-* FDNY
| Never Forgotten
| ===============

There are some organizations, like ours, that REQUIRE Sun Java !

Who needs it -- We do.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

12-09-2008

The date and time was 12/9/2008 5:13 PM, and on a whim, David H. Lipman
pounded out on the keyboard:

Quote:

> From: "Terry R." <F1Com@xxxxxx>
>
> | The date and time was 12/9/2008 1:36 PM, and on a whim, MowGreen [MVP]
> | pounded out on the keyboard:
>

Quote:

>>> Beware of the *opt-out* behavior of Sun's java automatic updater. In the
>>> US, at least, the MSN toolbar comes PREchecked [opt-out] and will
>>> install along with purported java 'security' updates. Said 'security'
>>> updates are presented as the latest version of Sun's java runtime.

>

Quote:

>>> Including crappy toolbars with security updates as an opt-out is a
>>> REALLY dumb, shortsighted decision.
>>> Shame on MS for doing so.

>

Quote:

>>> As to Sun's java, who needs it ?
>>> If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague.
>>> *Especially* any site that does financial transactions.

>
>

Quote:

>>> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
>>> ===============
>>> *-343-* FDNY
>>> Never Forgotten
>>> ===============

>
>
>
>
>
>
> | Hi Mow,
>
> | Is that MS's fault? When I downloaded Java 6.11 the day it was
> | released, I had the Yahoo toolbar option. When I downloaded it again
> | the day after (on another network), the Open Office option was
> | presented. It appears Sun is bundling these toolbars only on some
> | install files. On both of my downloads, I downloaded the offline (full)
> | version.
>
>
>
> A better place to download is...
> http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp
>
> Then you won't download the version with the Yahoo Toolbar.
>
> jre-6u11-windows-i586-p-s.exe --> contains the toolbar
>
> jre-6u11-windows-i586-p.exe --> does not contain the toolbar
>
>

I only download from the Java site, and the Yahoo toolbar was included
the first day it was released.

--
Terry R.

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12-10-2008

From: "Terry R." <F1Com@xxxxxx>

Quote:

>> A better place to download is...
>> http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp

Quote:

>> Then you won't download the version with the Yahoo Toolbar.

Quote:

>> jre-6u11-windows-i586-p-s.exe --> contains the toolbar

Quote:

>> jre-6u11-windows-i586-p.exe --> does not contain the toolbar

| I only download from the Java site, and the Yahoo toolbar was included
| the first day it was released.

I noted at least two download sites. The URL cited will provide the offline installation
file "jre-6u11-windows-i586-p.exe" which doesn't bundle the toolbar(s) while the other
site offers "jre-6u11-windows-i586-p-s.exe" which does bundle the toolbar.

This isn't new and I have seen that for many versons.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

12-09-2008	#1 (permalink)
MowGreen [MVP] n/a posts	MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates' Beware of the opt-out behavior of Sun's java automatic updater. In the US, at least, the MSN toolbar comes PREchecked [opt-out] and will install along with purported java 'security' updates. Said 'security' updates are presented as the latest version of Sun's java runtime. Including crappy toolbars with security updates as an opt-out is a REALLY dumb, shortsighted decision. Shame on MS for doing so. As to Sun's java, who needs it ? If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague. Especially any site that does financial transactions. MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] =============== -343- FDNY Never Forgotten ===============
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12-09-2008	#2 (permalink)
Leonard Grey n/a posts	Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates' I don't like pre-checked opt-in boxes any more than you, but I wonder why you happen to pick on Java, when this practice is widespread among software providers, and why particularly Java-employing websites, especially financial websites. Sounds like you have a bone to pick with an unnamed Java-employing financial website, and because of that I should avoid software that has served me well for years? --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est MowGreen [MVP] wrote: Quote: > Beware of the opt-out behavior of Sun's java automatic updater. In the > US, at least, the MSN toolbar comes PREchecked [opt-out] and will > install along with purported java 'security' updates. Said 'security' > updates are presented as the latest version of Sun's java runtime. > > Including crappy toolbars with security updates as an opt-out is a > REALLY dumb, shortsighted decision. > Shame on MS for doing so. > > As to Sun's java, who needs it ? > If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague. > Especially any site that does financial transactions. > > > MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] > =============== > -343- FDNY > Never Forgotten > =============== > > > > >
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12-09-2008	#3 (permalink)
Terry R. n/a posts	Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates' The date and time was 12/9/2008 1:36 PM, and on a whim, MowGreen [MVP] pounded out on the keyboard: Quote: > Beware of the opt-out behavior of Sun's java automatic updater. In the > US, at least, the MSN toolbar comes PREchecked [opt-out] and will > install along with purported java 'security' updates. Said 'security' > updates are presented as the latest version of Sun's java runtime. > > Including crappy toolbars with security updates as an opt-out is a > REALLY dumb, shortsighted decision. > Shame on MS for doing so. > > As to Sun's java, who needs it ? > If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague. > Especially any site that does financial transactions. > > > MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] > =============== > -343- FDNY > Never Forgotten > =============== > > > > > Hi Mow, Is that MS's fault? When I downloaded Java 6.11 the day it was released, I had the Yahoo toolbar option. When I downloaded it again the day after (on another network), the Open Office option was presented. It appears Sun is bundling these toolbars only on some install files. On both of my downloads, I downloaded the offline (full) version. -- Terry R. *Reply Note* Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
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12-09-2008	#4 (permalink)
Tom [Pepper] Willett n/a posts	Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates' Ah, Steve: Many hardware firewalls, such as Cisco, require Java to log into them. Tom : As to Sun's java, who needs it ? : If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague. : Especially any site that does financial transactions. : : : MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] : =============== : -343- FDNY : Never Forgotten : =============== : : : : :
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12-09-2008	#5 (permalink)
Eddie Hyde n/a posts	Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates' On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:36:40 -0800, "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague. >Especially any site that does financial transactions. That would eliminate a LOT of websites. Given that, I'd say your advice is relatively worthless here.
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12-09-2008	#6 (permalink)
Eddie Hyde n/a posts	Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates' On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:48:48 -0600, "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >Ah, Steve: > >Many hardware firewalls, such as Cisco, require Java to log into them. > >Tom Just tell him in plain English that he's fulla crap on this.
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12-09-2008	#7 (permalink)
David H. Lipman n/a posts	Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates' From: "Terry R." <F1Com@xxxxxx> \| The date and time was 12/9/2008 1:36 PM, and on a whim, MowGreen [MVP] \| pounded out on the keyboard: Quote: Quote: >> Beware of the opt-out behavior of Sun's java automatic updater. In the >> US, at least, the MSN toolbar comes PREchecked [opt-out] and will >> install along with purported java 'security' updates. Said 'security' >> updates are presented as the latest version of Sun's java runtime. Quote: Quote: >> Including crappy toolbars with security updates as an opt-out is a >> REALLY dumb, shortsighted decision. >> Shame on MS for doing so. Quote: Quote: >> As to Sun's java, who needs it ? >> If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague. >> Especially any site that does financial transactions. Quote: Quote: >> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] >> =============== >> -343- FDNY >> Never Forgotten >> =============== \| Hi Mow, \| Is that MS's fault? When I downloaded Java 6.11 the day it was \| released, I had the Yahoo toolbar option. When I downloaded it again \| the day after (on another network), the Open Office option was \| presented. It appears Sun is bundling these toolbars only on some \| install files. On both of my downloads, I downloaded the offline (full) \| version. A better place to download is... http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp Then you won't download the version with the Yahoo Toolbar. jre-6u11-windows-i586-p-s.exe --> contains the toolbar jre-6u11-windows-i586-p.exe --> does not contain the toolbar -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
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12-09-2008	#8 (permalink)
David H. Lipman n/a posts	Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates' From: "MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@xxxxxx> \| Beware of the opt-out behavior of Sun's java automatic updater. In the \| US, at least, the MSN toolbar comes PREchecked [opt-out] and will \| install along with purported java 'security' updates. Said 'security' \| updates are presented as the latest version of Sun's java runtime. \| Including crappy toolbars with security updates as an opt-out is a \| REALLY dumb, shortsighted decision. \| Shame on MS for doing so. \| As to Sun's java, who needs it ? \| If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague. \| Especially any site that does financial transactions. \| MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] \| =============== \| -343- FDNY \| Never Forgotten \| =============== There are some organizations, like ours, that REQUIRE Sun Java ! Who needs it -- We do. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
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12-09-2008	#9 (permalink)
Terry R. n/a posts	Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates' The date and time was 12/9/2008 5:13 PM, and on a whim, David H. Lipman pounded out on the keyboard: Quote: > From: "Terry R." <F1Com@xxxxxx> > > \| The date and time was 12/9/2008 1:36 PM, and on a whim, MowGreen [MVP] > \| pounded out on the keyboard: > Quote: Quote: >>> Beware of the opt-out behavior of Sun's java automatic updater. In the >>> US, at least, the MSN toolbar comes PREchecked [opt-out] and will >>> install along with purported java 'security' updates. Said 'security' >>> updates are presented as the latest version of Sun's java runtime. > Quote: Quote: >>> Including crappy toolbars with security updates as an opt-out is a >>> REALLY dumb, shortsighted decision. >>> Shame on MS for doing so. > Quote: Quote: >>> As to Sun's java, who needs it ? >>> If a site requires java, then avoid it like the plague. >>> Especially any site that does financial transactions. > > Quote: Quote: >>> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] >>> =============== >>> -343- FDNY >>> Never Forgotten >>> =============== > > > > > > > \| Hi Mow, > > \| Is that MS's fault? When I downloaded Java 6.11 the day it was > \| released, I had the Yahoo toolbar option. When I downloaded it again > \| the day after (on another network), the Open Office option was > \| presented. It appears Sun is bundling these toolbars only on some > \| install files. On both of my downloads, I downloaded the offline (full) > \| version. > > > > A better place to download is... > http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp > > Then you won't download the version with the Yahoo Toolbar. > > jre-6u11-windows-i586-p-s.exe --> contains the toolbar > > jre-6u11-windows-i586-p.exe --> does not contain the toolbar > > I only download from the Java site, and the Yahoo toolbar was included the first day it was released. -- Terry R. *Reply Note* Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
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12-10-2008	#10 (permalink)
David H. Lipman n/a posts	Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates' From: "Terry R." <F1Com@xxxxxx> Quote: Quote: >> A better place to download is... >> http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp Quote: Quote: >> Then you won't download the version with the Yahoo Toolbar. Quote: Quote: >> jre-6u11-windows-i586-p-s.exe --> contains the toolbar Quote: Quote: >> jre-6u11-windows-i586-p.exe --> does not contain the toolbar \| I only download from the Java site, and the Yahoo toolbar was included \| the first day it was released. I noted at least two download sites. The URL cited will provide the offline installation file "jre-6u11-windows-i586-p.exe" which doesn't bundle the toolbar(s) while the other site offers "jre-6u11-windows-i586-p-s.exe" which does bundle the toolbar. This isn't new and I have seen that for many versons. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
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