Vista - Access Denied...how to get control of MY vista/win7 computer?

01-13-2009

I need a pointer to a tutorial on how to get back
control of my computer. Have same problems in both
vista and windows-7 beta.

Access denied for most of what I want to do.
I'm trying to make hardware and software work in
windows-7. Permission problems, failure of older
install programs to execute, unable to register dlls,
it's a nightmare. Compatibility mode helps when you
have access to the executable file. When it's buried
inside an installer..not so much. Problem is same in Vista.

Here's a current situation.
wmplayer.exe is getting started by whoknowswhat
and interferes with other programs that need access
to the cdrom. I NEVER want to use wmplayer...although
I don't know what the side effects of turning it off might be...

Ok, let's try renaming wmplayer.exe so it can't run.
Sounds simple enough...but noooooo!!!
As administrator, I can't edit the file name.
I can't give myself permission to access the file.
I can take ownership of the file, but i still can't
rename it. I still can't give myself write privileges.
Seems like I'm always running into Access Denied problems.

There's a trusted installer group, but can't seem to
get added to it.

What can I do to make Vista give me back control
of my system so I can use it the way I want it?

Just to head off the trip in the wrong direction...
I don't need a lecture on security. Security that prevents
use of the machine is not helpful. I need help
REDUCING security so I can use my own darn computer.

Thanks, mike

01-13-2009

"spamme0" <spamme9@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

>
> Here's a current situation.
> wmplayer.exe is getting started by whoknowswhat
> and interferes with other programs that need access
> to the cdrom. I NEVER want to use wmplayer

Then you need to find out WHY wmplayer is starting. Doesn't start
automatically here - seems like you checked something you shouldn't have or
you have malware.

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01-13-2009

Taking ownership may not change the permissions, but it does give
the new owner the right to change the permissions.

See if this helps:

http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/0...windows-vista/

"spamme0" <spamme9@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

>I need a pointer to a tutorial on how to get back
> control of my computer. Have same problems in both
> vista and windows-7 beta.
>
> Access denied for most of what I want to do.
> I'm trying to make hardware and software work in
> windows-7. Permission problems, failure of older
> install programs to execute, unable to register dlls,
> it's a nightmare. Compatibility mode helps when you
> have access to the executable file. When it's buried
> inside an installer..not so much. Problem is same in Vista.
>
> Here's a current situation.
> wmplayer.exe is getting started by whoknowswhat
> and interferes with other programs that need access
> to the cdrom. I NEVER want to use wmplayer...although
> I don't know what the side effects of turning it off might be...
>
> Ok, let's try renaming wmplayer.exe so it can't run.
> Sounds simple enough...but noooooo!!!
> As administrator, I can't edit the file name.
> I can't give myself permission to access the file.
> I can take ownership of the file, but i still can't
> rename it. I still can't give myself write privileges.
> Seems like I'm always running into Access Denied problems.
>
> There's a trusted installer group, but can't seem to
> get added to it.
>
> What can I do to make Vista give me back control
> of my system so I can use it the way I want it?
>
> Just to head off the trip in the wrong direction...
> I don't need a lecture on security. Security that prevents
> use of the machine is not helpful. I need help
> REDUCING security so I can use my own darn computer.
>
> Thanks, mike

01-13-2009

Gordon wrote:

Quote:

> "spamme0" <spamme9@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:gkhai8$636$1@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>
>> Here's a current situation.
>> wmplayer.exe is getting started by whoknowswhat
>> and interferes with other programs that need access
>> to the cdrom. I NEVER want to use wmplayer

>
> Then you need to find out WHY wmplayer is starting. Doesn't start
> automatically here - seems like you checked something you shouldn't have
> or you have malware.
>

OK, let's take a side trip into wmplayer.
If I've got malware, it came on the downloaded .iso for win7 beta.

Windows media player is INTRUSIVE!!! WMPLAYER IS malware!!!
It tries to run any time you do anything related to audio or video.
I've turned off everything I can find, but still have file access problems
because wmplayer is accessing it for some unknown reason.

I'm sometimes unable to eject flash or USB media because it's "busy".
Killing wmplayer.exe lets me remove the card safely.
I DON'T WANT WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER TO RUN FOR ANY REASON...EVER.
I don't want DRM.
I don't want my media files managed.
I don't want any files accessed.
I want windows media player to go away and never come back.
How do I do that?
There's also
"windows media player network sharing service" that I think I don't
want...but, so far, have not identified it as causing a problem.

I understand that there's lots of stuff underlying wmplayer
that gets used by third-party programs. Need that stuff to stay.
If I wanted wmplayer to run, I'd click the wmplayer icon.
Otherwise it should stay out of my way. Renaming the file
is an attempt to accomplish that.

01-13-2009

"spamme0" <spamme9@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:gkjftv$ntc$1@xxxxxx

Quote:

> FromTheRafters wrote:

Quote:

>> Taking ownership may not change the permissions, but it does give
>> the new owner the right to change the permissions.
>>
>> See if this helps:
>>
>> http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/0...windows-vista/
>>
>> "spamme0" <spamme9@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:gkhai8$636$1@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>> I need a pointer to a tutorial on how to get back
>>> control of my computer. Have same problems in both
>>> vista and windows-7 beta.
>>>
>>> Access denied for most of what I want to do.
>>> I'm trying to make hardware and software work in
>>> windows-7. Permission problems, failure of older
>>> install programs to execute, unable to register dlls,
>>> it's a nightmare. Compatibility mode helps when you
>>> have access to the executable file. When it's buried
>>> inside an installer..not so much. Problem is same in Vista.
>>>
>>> Here's a current situation.
>>> wmplayer.exe is getting started by whoknowswhat
>>> and interferes with other programs that need access
>>> to the cdrom. I NEVER want to use wmplayer...although
>>> I don't know what the side effects of turning it off might be...
>>>
>>> Ok, let's try renaming wmplayer.exe so it can't run.
>>> Sounds simple enough...but noooooo!!!
>>> As administrator, I can't edit the file name.
>>> I can't give myself permission to access the file.
>>> I can take ownership of the file, but i still can't
>>> rename it. I still can't give myself write privileges.
>>> Seems like I'm always running into Access Denied problems.
>>>
>>> There's a trusted installer group, but can't seem to
>>> get added to it.
>>>
>>> What can I do to make Vista give me back control
>>> of my system so I can use it the way I want it?
>>>
>>> Just to head off the trip in the wrong direction...
>>> I don't need a lecture on security. Security that prevents
>>> use of the machine is not helpful. I need help
>>> REDUCING security so I can use my own darn computer.
>>>
>>> Thanks, mike

>>
>>

> Thanks,
> That's the first thing I did.
> This is windows-7 beta...
> I'm logged in as administrator.
> I changed ownership of the file to administrators.
> I changed properties to "full control"
> for administrators.
>
> I right click to rename the file using windows explorer
> "You need permission from Administrators to make changes to this file"
>
> If I use totalcommander to attempt the rename, i get:
> "please remove write protection"
>
> I also tried safe mode...no joy.
>
> I went to the link. The .reg file context menu change
> doesn't work for executable files.
>
> wmplayer.exe is buried down in winsxs. Could there be permission problems
> in higher level directories?
> I really don't want to remove all permissions if I don't have to...just
> want to change ONE file.
>
> There's a icacls command that I haven't tried yet. Looks pretty drastic.

Probably the best option, the integrity level security mechanism may deny
you access before any other checks for permissions are done. Integrity
level denials trump any permissions the user may have.

01-14-2009

inline
"t-4-2" <dhuang1@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:B4CB1FDC-74C3-415D-82A8-EF57AC482E91@xxxxxx

Quote:

> No disrespect to everyone who had sent in the replies, your problem is
> Windows & related.

OP's stated problem was with both (probably aa "integrity" related
problem.

Quote:

> Here is the link to WIN 7 beta forum :
> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...egory/w7itpro/
> t-4-2

Is there a microsoft.public.windows.* newsgroup yet?

01-14-2009

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:09:52 -0500, "FromTheRafters"
<erratic@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>inline
>"t-4-2" <dhuang1@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:B4CB1FDC-74C3-415D-82A8-EF57AC482E91@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> No disrespect to everyone who had sent in the replies, your problem is
>> Windows & related.

>
>OP's stated problem was with both (probably aa "integrity" related
>problem.
>

Quote:

>> Here is the link to WIN 7 beta forum :
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...egory/w7itpro/
>> t-4-2

>
>Is there a microsoft.public.windows.* newsgroup yet?

NO.

And there won't be one until Windows 7 is out of beta and on
computers/store shelves.

Max

01-13-2009	#1 (permalink)
spamme0 n/a posts	Access Denied...how to get control of MY vista/win7 computer? I need a pointer to a tutorial on how to get back control of my computer. Have same problems in both vista and windows-7 beta. Access denied for most of what I want to do. I'm trying to make hardware and software work in windows-7. Permission problems, failure of older install programs to execute, unable to register dlls, it's a nightmare. Compatibility mode helps when you have access to the executable file. When it's buried inside an installer..not so much. Problem is same in Vista. Here's a current situation. wmplayer.exe is getting started by whoknowswhat and interferes with other programs that need access to the cdrom. I NEVER want to use wmplayer...although I don't know what the side effects of turning it off might be... Ok, let's try renaming wmplayer.exe so it can't run. Sounds simple enough...but noooooo!!! As administrator, I can't edit the file name. I can't give myself permission to access the file. I can take ownership of the file, but i still can't rename it. I still can't give myself write privileges. Seems like I'm always running into Access Denied problems. There's a trusted installer group, but can't seem to get added to it. What can I do to make Vista give me back control of my system so I can use it the way I want it? Just to head off the trip in the wrong direction... I don't need a lecture on security. Security that prevents use of the machine is not helpful. I need help REDUCING security so I can use my own darn computer. Thanks, mike
My System Specs

01-13-2009	#2 (permalink)
Gordon n/a posts	Re: Access Denied...how to get control of MY vista/win7 computer? "spamme0" <spamme9@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:gkhai8$636$1@xxxxxx Quote: > > Here's a current situation. > wmplayer.exe is getting started by whoknowswhat > and interferes with other programs that need access > to the cdrom. I NEVER want to use wmplayer Then you need to find out WHY wmplayer is starting. Doesn't start automatically here - seems like you checked something you shouldn't have or you have malware. -- Asking a question? Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, your OS, Service Pack level and the FULL contents of any error message(s)
My System Specs

01-13-2009	#3 (permalink)
FromTheRafters n/a posts	Re: Access Denied...how to get control of MY vista/win7 computer? Taking ownership may not change the permissions, but it does give the new owner the right to change the permissions. See if this helps: http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/0...windows-vista/ "spamme0" <spamme9@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:gkhai8$636$1@xxxxxx Quote: >I need a pointer to a tutorial on how to get back > control of my computer. Have same problems in both > vista and windows-7 beta. > > Access denied for most of what I want to do. > I'm trying to make hardware and software work in > windows-7. Permission problems, failure of older > install programs to execute, unable to register dlls, > it's a nightmare. Compatibility mode helps when you > have access to the executable file. When it's buried > inside an installer..not so much. Problem is same in Vista. > > Here's a current situation. > wmplayer.exe is getting started by whoknowswhat > and interferes with other programs that need access > to the cdrom. I NEVER want to use wmplayer...although > I don't know what the side effects of turning it off might be... > > Ok, let's try renaming wmplayer.exe so it can't run. > Sounds simple enough...but noooooo!!! > As administrator, I can't edit the file name. > I can't give myself permission to access the file. > I can take ownership of the file, but i still can't > rename it. I still can't give myself write privileges. > Seems like I'm always running into Access Denied problems. > > There's a trusted installer group, but can't seem to > get added to it. > > What can I do to make Vista give me back control > of my system so I can use it the way I want it? > > Just to head off the trip in the wrong direction... > I don't need a lecture on security. Security that prevents > use of the machine is not helpful. I need help > REDUCING security so I can use my own darn computer. > > Thanks, mike
My System Specs

01-13-2009	#4 (permalink)
spamme0 n/a posts	Re: Access Denied...how to get control of MY vista/win7 computer? Gordon wrote: Quote: > "spamme0" <spamme9@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:gkhai8$636$1@xxxxxx Quote: >> >> Here's a current situation. >> wmplayer.exe is getting started by whoknowswhat >> and interferes with other programs that need access >> to the cdrom. I NEVER want to use wmplayer > > Then you need to find out WHY wmplayer is starting. Doesn't start > automatically here - seems like you checked something you shouldn't have > or you have malware. > OK, let's take a side trip into wmplayer. If I've got malware, it came on the downloaded .iso for win7 beta. Windows media player is INTRUSIVE!!! WMPLAYER IS malware!!! It tries to run any time you do anything related to audio or video. I've turned off everything I can find, but still have file access problems because wmplayer is accessing it for some unknown reason. I'm sometimes unable to eject flash or USB media because it's "busy". Killing wmplayer.exe lets me remove the card safely. I DON'T WANT WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER TO RUN FOR ANY REASON...EVER. I don't want DRM. I don't want my media files managed. I don't want any files accessed. I want windows media player to go away and never come back. How do I do that? There's also "windows media player network sharing service" that I think I don't want...but, so far, have not identified it as causing a problem. I understand that there's lots of stuff underlying wmplayer that gets used by third-party programs. Need that stuff to stay. If I wanted wmplayer to run, I'd click the wmplayer icon. Otherwise it should stay out of my way. Renaming the file is an attempt to accomplish that.
My System Specs

01-13-2009	#5 (permalink)
FromTheRafters n/a posts	Re: Access Denied...how to get control of MY vista/win7 computer? "spamme0" <spamme9@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:gkjftv$ntc$1@xxxxxx Quote: > FromTheRafters wrote: Quote: >> Taking ownership may not change the permissions, but it does give >> the new owner the right to change the permissions. >> >> See if this helps: >> >> http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/0...windows-vista/ >> >> "spamme0" <spamme9@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:gkhai8$636$1@xxxxxx Quote: >>> I need a pointer to a tutorial on how to get back >>> control of my computer. Have same problems in both >>> vista and windows-7 beta. >>> >>> Access denied for most of what I want to do. >>> I'm trying to make hardware and software work in >>> windows-7. Permission problems, failure of older >>> install programs to execute, unable to register dlls, >>> it's a nightmare. Compatibility mode helps when you >>> have access to the executable file. When it's buried >>> inside an installer..not so much. Problem is same in Vista. >>> >>> Here's a current situation. >>> wmplayer.exe is getting started by whoknowswhat >>> and interferes with other programs that need access >>> to the cdrom. I NEVER want to use wmplayer...although >>> I don't know what the side effects of turning it off might be... >>> >>> Ok, let's try renaming wmplayer.exe so it can't run. >>> Sounds simple enough...but noooooo!!! >>> As administrator, I can't edit the file name. >>> I can't give myself permission to access the file. >>> I can take ownership of the file, but i still can't >>> rename it. I still can't give myself write privileges. >>> Seems like I'm always running into Access Denied problems. >>> >>> There's a trusted installer group, but can't seem to >>> get added to it. >>> >>> What can I do to make Vista give me back control >>> of my system so I can use it the way I want it? >>> >>> Just to head off the trip in the wrong direction... >>> I don't need a lecture on security. Security that prevents >>> use of the machine is not helpful. I need help >>> REDUCING security so I can use my own darn computer. >>> >>> Thanks, mike >> >> > Thanks, > That's the first thing I did. > This is windows-7 beta... > I'm logged in as administrator. > I changed ownership of the file to administrators. > I changed properties to "full control" > for administrators. > > I right click to rename the file using windows explorer > "You need permission from Administrators to make changes to this file" > > If I use totalcommander to attempt the rename, i get: > "please remove write protection" > > I also tried safe mode...no joy. > > I went to the link. The .reg file context menu change > doesn't work for executable files. > > wmplayer.exe is buried down in winsxs. Could there be permission problems > in higher level directories? > I really don't want to remove all permissions if I don't have to...just > want to change ONE file. > > There's a icacls command that I haven't tried yet. Looks pretty drastic. Probably the best option, the integrity level security mechanism may deny you access before any other checks for permissions are done. Integrity level denials trump any permissions the user may have.
My System Specs

01-14-2009	#6 (permalink)
FromTheRafters n/a posts	Re: Access Denied...how to get control of MY vista/win7 computer? inline "t-4-2" <dhuang1@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:B4CB1FDC-74C3-415D-82A8-EF57AC482E91@xxxxxx Quote: > No disrespect to everyone who had sent in the replies, your problem is > Windows & related. OP's stated problem was with both (probably aa "integrity" related problem. Quote: > Here is the link to WIN 7 beta forum : > http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...egory/w7itpro/ > t-4-2 Is there a microsoft.public.windows.* newsgroup yet?
My System Specs

01-14-2009	#7 (permalink)
The Max n/a posts	Re: Access Denied...how to get control of MY vista/win7 computer? On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:09:52 -0500, "FromTheRafters" <erratic@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >inline >"t-4-2" <dhuang1@xxxxxx> wrote in message >news:B4CB1FDC-74C3-415D-82A8-EF57AC482E91@xxxxxx Quote: >> No disrespect to everyone who had sent in the replies, your problem is >> Windows & related. > >OP's stated problem was with both (probably aa "integrity" related >problem. > Quote: >> Here is the link to WIN 7 beta forum : >> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...egory/w7itpro/ >> t-4-2 > >Is there a microsoft.public.windows.* newsgroup yet? NO. And there won't be one until Windows 7 is out of beta and on computers/store shelves. Max
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