Hope this is the right place for a UAC question

I have a Vista64 Ultimate system. A few weeks after the initial build, I
determined that the hard disk was bad as it would hang until it had run and
warmed up for quite a while. Purchased a new hard disk and reinstalled
windows. As part of the "new" install, I used an 8Gig USB drive to transfer
personal files (including Favorites) from the old system/hard disk to the
new one. Process was to boot up windows on the old hard disk, transfer
files to the USB drive, boot up windows on the new hard disk and transfer
the files from the USB drive to the new C: drive.



The new hard disk/system is working fine except I cannot add new
bookmarks/favorites to favorite folders I transferred when surfing the net.
With UAC ON, I get the following error:

Unable to Create "internet site"
Unspecified Error

when trying to save or paste a new internet site/url to folders I
transferred from the old hard disk. Files CAN be saved directly to the
Favorites directory. With UAC OFF, all favorite saves work as expected.

I have tried "taking ownership" of each and every folder in the Favorites
directory, but the problem remains. I would really like to use UAC for what
its worth, but the problem of not being able to save URLs without turning
UAC off and rebooting makes it REALLY hard.

Guess nobody here knows how to manipulate UAC without turning it off???

Tom


"Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1725F8F6-4233-4AA0-A73E-A79A5418868E@xxxxxx

> Hope this is the right place for a UAC question
>
> I have a Vista64 Ultimate system. A few weeks after the initial build, I
> determined that the hard disk was bad as it would hang until it had run
> and warmed up for quite a while. Purchased a new hard disk and
> reinstalled windows. As part of the "new" install, I used an 8Gig USB
> drive to transfer personal files (including Favorites) from the old
> system/hard disk to the new one. Process was to boot up windows on the
> old hard disk, transfer files to the USB drive, boot up windows on the
> new hard disk and transfer the files from the USB drive to the new C:
> drive.
>
> The new hard disk/system is working fine except I cannot add new
> bookmarks/favorites to favorite folders I transferred when surfing the
> net. With UAC ON, I get the following error:
>
> Unable to Create "internet site"
> Unspecified Error
>
> when trying to save or paste a new internet site/url to folders I
> transferred from the old hard disk. Files CAN be saved directly to the
> Favorites directory. With UAC OFF, all favorite saves work as expected.
>
> I have tried "taking ownership" of each and every folder in the Favorites
> directory, but the problem remains. I would really like to use UAC for
> what its worth, but the problem of not being able to save URLs without
> turning UAC off and rebooting makes it REALLY hard.

Perhaps you could try turning MIC off temporarily to see if
that affects your issue?

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\EnableMIC.

I believe turning this off will defeat 'protected mode' IE, but not all of
UAC.

Have you tried support yet?


"Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:73BC4102-A95B-438F-A30B-45CCC57D7F5F@xxxxxx

> Guess nobody here knows how to manipulate UAC without turning it off???
>
> Tom
>
>
> "Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:1725F8F6-4233-4AA0-A73E-A79A5418868E@xxxxxx

>> Hope this is the right place for a UAC question
>>
>> I have a Vista64 Ultimate system. A few weeks after the initial build, I
>> determined that the hard disk was bad as it would hang until it had run
>> and warmed up for quite a while. Purchased a new hard disk and
>> reinstalled windows. As part of the "new" install, I used an 8Gig USB
>> drive to transfer personal files (including Favorites) from the old
>> system/hard disk to the new one. Process was to boot up windows on the
>> old hard disk, transfer files to the USB drive, boot up windows on the
>> new hard disk and transfer the files from the USB drive to the new C:
>> drive.
>>
>> The new hard disk/system is working fine except I cannot add new
>> bookmarks/favorites to favorite folders I transferred when surfing the
>> net. With UAC ON, I get the following error:
>>
>> Unable to Create "internet site"
>> Unspecified Error
>>
>> when trying to save or paste a new internet site/url to folders I
>> transferred from the old hard disk. Files CAN be saved directly to the
>> Favorites directory. With UAC OFF, all favorite saves work as expected.
>>
>> I have tried "taking ownership" of each and every folder in the Favorites
>> directory, but the problem remains. I would really like to use UAC for
>> what its worth, but the problem of not being able to save URLs without
>> turning UAC off and rebooting makes it REALLY hard.

>

http://www.tweak-uac.com/home/


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"Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:73BC4102-A95B-438F-A30B-45CCC57D7F5F@xxxxxx

> Guess nobody here knows how to manipulate UAC without turning it off???
>
> Tom
>
>
> "Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:1725F8F6-4233-4AA0-A73E-A79A5418868E@xxxxxx

>> Hope this is the right place for a UAC question
>>
>> I have a Vista64 Ultimate system. A few weeks after the initial build, I
>> determined that the hard disk was bad as it would hang until it had run
>> and warmed up for quite a while. Purchased a new hard disk and
>> reinstalled windows. As part of the "new" install, I used an 8Gig USB
>> drive to transfer personal files (including Favorites) from the old
>> system/hard disk to the new one. Process was to boot up windows on the
>> old hard disk, transfer files to the USB drive, boot up windows on the
>> new hard disk and transfer the files from the USB drive to the new C:
>> drive.
>>
>> The new hard disk/system is working fine except I cannot add new
>> bookmarks/favorites to favorite folders I transferred when surfing the
>> net. With UAC ON, I get the following error:
>>
>> Unable to Create "internet site"
>> Unspecified Error
>>
>> when trying to save or paste a new internet site/url to folders I
>> transferred from the old hard disk. Files CAN be saved directly to the
>> Favorites directory. With UAC OFF, all favorite saves work as expected.
>>
>> I have tried "taking ownership" of each and every folder in the Favorites
>> directory, but the problem remains. I would really like to use UAC for
>> what its worth, but the problem of not being able to save URLs without
>> turning UAC off and rebooting makes it REALLY hard.

>

The darkening screen of "do you really want to do this" is not the issue.
With UAC on, I get {Unable to Create "internet site" Unspecified Error}.
With UAC off, I am allowed to save new favorites to anywhere in my favorites
chain. Any other ideas?

T2

"Dave" <Dave@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eCrVF0ugJHA.3716@xxxxxx

> http://www.tweak-uac.com/home/
>
>
> --
> Windows 7 beta
> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
> http://download.live.com/wlmail
>
>
> "Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:73BC4102-A95B-438F-A30B-45CCC57D7F5F@xxxxxx

>> Guess nobody here knows how to manipulate UAC without turning it off???
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> "Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:1725F8F6-4233-4AA0-A73E-A79A5418868E@xxxxxx

>>> Hope this is the right place for a UAC question
>>>
>>> I have a Vista64 Ultimate system. A few weeks after the initial build,
>>> I determined that the hard disk was bad as it would hang until it had
>>> run and warmed up for quite a while. Purchased a new hard disk and
>>> reinstalled windows. As part of the "new" install, I used an 8Gig USB
>>> drive to transfer personal files (including Favorites) from the old
>>> system/hard disk to the new one. Process was to boot up windows on the
>>> old hard disk, transfer files to the USB drive, boot up windows on the
>>> new hard disk and transfer the files from the USB drive to the new C:
>>> drive.
>>>
>>> The new hard disk/system is working fine except I cannot add new
>>> bookmarks/favorites to favorite folders I transferred when surfing the
>>> net. With UAC ON, I get the following error:
>>>
>>> Unable to Create "internet site"
>>> Unspecified Error
>>>
>>> when trying to save or paste a new internet site/url to folders I
>>> transferred from the old hard disk. Files CAN be saved directly to the
>>> Favorites directory. With UAC OFF, all favorite saves work as expected.
>>>
>>> I have tried "taking ownership" of each and every folder in the
>>> Favorites directory, but the problem remains. I would really like to
>>> use UAC for what its worth, but the problem of not being able to save
>>> URLs without turning UAC off and rebooting makes it REALLY hard.

>>

Not sure what that is so I think I'll leave it alone. Did a Google on that
registry line and the best I could get was that it has something to do with
Protected Mode. Turned Protected Mode off and back on again in the Internet
Options with no change in my ability to save new "internet sites" to
anywhere in my Favorites chain. I'm pretty sure that the issue has to do
with how I imported the Favorites from my old hard disk, ie by copying them
on to a thumb drive from the old HD and then copying them onto the new HD
that had already been installed with Vista64.

Tom


"FromTheRafters" <erratic@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23GJGIctgJHA.4932@xxxxxx

> Perhaps you could try turning MIC off temporarily to see if
> that affects your issue?
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\EnableMIC.
>
> I believe turning this off will defeat 'protected mode' IE, but not all of
> UAC.
>
> Have you tried support yet?
>
>
> "Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:73BC4102-A95B-438F-A30B-45CCC57D7F5F@xxxxxx

>> Guess nobody here knows how to manipulate UAC without turning it off???
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> "Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:1725F8F6-4233-4AA0-A73E-A79A5418868E@xxxxxx

>>> Hope this is the right place for a UAC question
>>>
>>> I have a Vista64 Ultimate system. A few weeks after the initial build,
>>> I determined that the hard disk was bad as it would hang until it had
>>> run and warmed up for quite a while. Purchased a new hard disk and
>>> reinstalled windows. As part of the "new" install, I used an 8Gig USB
>>> drive to transfer personal files (including Favorites) from the old
>>> system/hard disk to the new one. Process was to boot up windows on the
>>> old hard disk, transfer files to the USB drive, boot up windows on the
>>> new hard disk and transfer the files from the USB drive to the new C:
>>> drive.
>>>
>>> The new hard disk/system is working fine except I cannot add new
>>> bookmarks/favorites to favorite folders I transferred when surfing the
>>> net. With UAC ON, I get the following error:
>>>
>>> Unable to Create "internet site"
>>> Unspecified Error
>>>
>>> when trying to save or paste a new internet site/url to folders I
>>> transferred from the old hard disk. Files CAN be saved directly to the
>>> Favorites directory. With UAC OFF, all favorite saves work as expected.
>>>
>>> I have tried "taking ownership" of each and every folder in the
>>> Favorites directory, but the problem remains. I would really like to
>>> use UAC for what its worth, but the problem of not being able to save
>>> URLs without turning UAC off and rebooting makes it REALLY hard.

>>

>
>

http://blogs.technet.com/steriley/ar...21/442870.aspx

Not the answer, but you might like to read it.

I still suggest calling support.

"Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:15A1B8AD-B9EF-46EA-9D00-2CC348AABFC1@xxxxxx

> Not sure what that is so I think I'll leave it alone. Did a Google on
> that registry line and the best I could get was that it has something to
> do with Protected Mode. Turned Protected Mode off and back on again in
> the Internet Options with no change in my ability to save new "internet
> sites" to anywhere in my Favorites chain. I'm pretty sure that the issue
> has to do with how I imported the Favorites from my old hard disk, ie by
> copying them on to a thumb drive from the old HD and then copying them
> onto the new HD that had already been installed with Vista64.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "FromTheRafters" <erratic@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%23GJGIctgJHA.4932@xxxxxx

>> Perhaps you could try turning MIC off temporarily to see if
>> that affects your issue?
>>
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\EnableMIC.
>>
>> I believe turning this off will defeat 'protected mode' IE, but not all
>> of UAC.
>>
>> Have you tried support yet?
>>
>>
>> "Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:73BC4102-A95B-438F-A30B-45CCC57D7F5F@xxxxxx

>>> Guess nobody here knows how to manipulate UAC without turning it off???
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:1725F8F6-4233-4AA0-A73E-A79A5418868E@xxxxxx
>>>> Hope this is the right place for a UAC question
>>>>
>>>> I have a Vista64 Ultimate system. A few weeks after the initial build,
>>>> I determined that the hard disk was bad as it would hang until it had
>>>> run and warmed up for quite a while. Purchased a new hard disk and
>>>> reinstalled windows. As part of the "new" install, I used an 8Gig USB
>>>> drive to transfer personal files (including Favorites) from the old
>>>> system/hard disk to the new one. Process was to boot up windows on the
>>>> old hard disk, transfer files to the USB drive, boot up windows on the
>>>> new hard disk and transfer the files from the USB drive to the new C:
>>>> drive.
>>>>
>>>> The new hard disk/system is working fine except I cannot add new
>>>> bookmarks/favorites to favorite folders I transferred when surfing the
>>>> net. With UAC ON, I get the following error:
>>>>
>>>> Unable to Create "internet site"
>>>> Unspecified Error
>>>>
>>>> when trying to save or paste a new internet site/url to folders I
>>>> transferred from the old hard disk. Files CAN be saved directly to the
>>>> Favorites directory. With UAC OFF, all favorite saves work as
>>>> expected.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried "taking ownership" of each and every folder in the
>>>> Favorites directory, but the problem remains. I would really like to
>>>> use UAC for what its worth, but the problem of not being able to save
>>>> URLs without turning UAC off and rebooting makes it REALLY hard.
>>>

>>
>>

>

Interesting read. As I understand it, there are characteristics to each
object that the casual observer/administrator can't see, let alone
modify/control. As I said above, I tried taking ownership, turning off/on
protected mode etc, but was only finally able (2 hours this afternoon) to
get control of my Favorites chain by dragging each folder in my favorites
off onto the desk top, creating a new folder in the Favorites chain of a
similar name and then dragging the shortcut contents of the moved folders
back into the new folders.

If you right-click on any folder and choose properties and security, you see
the Group/user names (accounts?) and each of their "Permissions". The
FOLDERS that I had problems with had a check mark under the allow/Special
Permissions for Administrators(that's me as there are no other users). The
folders that I had not problems with did NOT have a check mark under the
Allow/Special Permissions.

Now, whatever that means - MIC?

Magic stuff. Will Windows 7 fix this?

Tom


"FromTheRafters" <erratic@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23hz88lMhJHA.2516@xxxxxx

> http://blogs.technet.com/steriley/ar...21/442870.aspx
>
> Not the answer, but you might like to read it.
>
> I still suggest calling support.
>
> "Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:15A1B8AD-B9EF-46EA-9D00-2CC348AABFC1@xxxxxx

>> Not sure what that is so I think I'll leave it alone. Did a Google on
>> that registry line and the best I could get was that it has something to
>> do with Protected Mode. Turned Protected Mode off and back on again in
>> the Internet Options with no change in my ability to save new "internet
>> sites" to anywhere in my Favorites chain. I'm pretty sure that the issue
>> has to do with how I imported the Favorites from my old hard disk, ie by
>> copying them on to a thumb drive from the old HD and then copying them
>> onto the new HD that had already been installed with Vista64.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> "FromTheRafters" <erratic@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:%23GJGIctgJHA.4932@xxxxxx

>>> Perhaps you could try turning MIC off temporarily to see if
>>> that affects your issue?
>>>
>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System\EnableMIC.
>>>
>>> I believe turning this off will defeat 'protected mode' IE, but not all
>>> of UAC.
>>>
>>> Have you tried support yet?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:73BC4102-A95B-438F-A30B-45CCC57D7F5F@xxxxxx
>>>> Guess nobody here knows how to manipulate UAC without turning it off???
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:1725F8F6-4233-4AA0-A73E-A79A5418868E@xxxxxx
>>>>> Hope this is the right place for a UAC question
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Vista64 Ultimate system. A few weeks after the initial
>>>>> build, I determined that the hard disk was bad as it would hang until
>>>>> it had run and warmed up for quite a while. Purchased a new hard disk
>>>>> and reinstalled windows. As part of the "new" install, I used an 8Gig
>>>>> USB drive to transfer personal files (including Favorites) from the
>>>>> old system/hard disk to the new one. Process was to boot up windows
>>>>> on the old hard disk, transfer files to the USB drive, boot up windows
>>>>> on the new hard disk and transfer the files from the USB drive to the
>>>>> new C: drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> The new hard disk/system is working fine except I cannot add new
>>>>> bookmarks/favorites to favorite folders I transferred when surfing the
>>>>> net. With UAC ON, I get the following error:
>>>>>
>>>>> Unable to Create "internet site"
>>>>> Unspecified Error
>>>>>
>>>>> when trying to save or paste a new internet site/url to folders I
>>>>> transferred from the old hard disk. Files CAN be saved directly to
>>>>> the Favorites directory. With UAC OFF, all favorite saves work as
>>>>> expected.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried "taking ownership" of each and every folder in the
>>>>> Favorites directory, but the problem remains. I would really like to
>>>>> use UAC for what its worth, but the problem of not being able to save
>>>>> URLs without turning UAC off and rebooting makes it REALLY hard.
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>

>
>

"Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:C1EBA448-8A14-4020-9E7D-EEF8E6F78122@xxxxxx

> Interesting read. As I understand it, there are characteristics to each
> object that the casual observer/administrator can't see, let alone
> modify/control.

Yes, and access can be denied before any "permissions" are checked.

> As I said above, I tried taking ownership, turning off/on protected mode
> etc,

I'm not sure turning off protected mode actually removes MIC from
other aspects of the system. It may just run IE elevated - I haven't
looked into it. Protected mode uses MIC not the other way 'round.

> but was only finally able (2 hours this afternoon) to get control of my
> Favorites chain by dragging each folder in my favorites off onto the desk
> top, creating a new folder in the Favorites chain of a similar name and
> then dragging the shortcut contents of the moved folders back into the new
> folders.

Sounds like an 'end run' around MIC to me. Glad you got it sorted. I'm
thinking your favorites data became untrusted due to the way you tried
to migrate it. It regained trust when you manipulated it on the desktop.

Just guessing though.

> If you right-click on any folder and choose properties and security, you
> see the Group/user names (accounts?) and each of their "Permissions". The
> FOLDERS that I had problems with had a check mark under the allow/Special
> Permissions for Administrators(that's me as there are no other users).
> The folders that I had not problems with did NOT have a check mark under
> the Allow/Special Permissions.
>
> Now, whatever that means - MIC?

Nope, permissions again. Regular permissions are like ordering a #22 Chinese
take-out order. Special permissions sort of lets you pick from columns A, B,
C,
etc...for a better custom fit.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308419

> Magic stuff. Will Windows 7 fix this?

I don't think so as it is not broken. I assume most people won't be
migrating their data this way.

[...]

"FromTheRafters" <erratic@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uB%23tnAihJHA.4408@xxxxxx

>
> "Tom" <DontSpamMr_tsquare@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:C1EBA448-8A14-4020-9E7D-EEF8E6F78122@xxxxxx

>> Interesting read. As I understand it, there are characteristics to each
>> object that the casual observer/administrator can't see, let alone
>> modify/control.

>
> Yes, and access can be denied before any "permissions" are checked.
>

>> As I said above, I tried taking ownership, turning off/on protected mode
>> etc,

>
> I'm not sure turning off protected mode actually removes MIC from
> other aspects of the system. It may just run IE elevated - I haven't
> looked into it. Protected mode uses MIC not the other way 'round.

Don't think that IE ran elevated with Protected Mode turned off as IE was
still unable to write new shortcuts to the "moved" folders. Recall that I
as Administrator was able to write/copy files to those folders, but IE was
not. Interestingly, turning off UAC "fixes" the problem, allowing IE to
once again write to those "moved" folders.

>

>> but was only finally able (2 hours this afternoon) to get control of my
>> Favorites chain by dragging each folder in my favorites off onto the desk
>> top, creating a new folder in the Favorites chain of a similar name and
>> then dragging the shortcut contents of the moved folders back into the
>> new folders.

I'm guessing that my "user" account in creating new folders made it so that
IE had sufficient "Integrety" (medium) to then write to them as well.

>
> Sounds like an 'end run' around MIC to me. Glad you got it sorted. I'm
> thinking your favorites data became untrusted

Only certain folders - What I did was copy/move files and folders off of the
thumb drive to the new Favorites folder. I trusted the folders I moved and
my problem was to somehow convince Vista to trust them too. Not sure how
Vista would react to dumping a bunch of folder/file data into a new Vista
system. I guess IE or (I haven't tried this) notepad wouldn't be able write
to/modify that data.

due to the way you tried

> to migrate it. It regained trust when you manipulated it on the desktop.

Interesting that the folders were a problem and not the
shortcuts/executables.

>
> Just guessing though.
>

>> If you right-click on any folder and choose properties and security, you
>> see the Group/user names (accounts?) and each of their "Permissions".
>> The FOLDERS that I had problems with had a check mark under the
>> allow/Special Permissions for Administrators(that's me as there are no
>> other users). The folders that I had not problems with did NOT have a
>> check mark under the Allow/Special Permissions.
>>
>> Now, whatever that means - MIC?

>
> Nope, permissions again. Regular permissions are like ordering a #22
> Chinese
> take-out order. Special permissions sort of lets you pick from columns A,
> B, C,
> etc...for a better custom fit.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308419

XP stuff. Is Vista 64 the same?

>

>> Magic stuff. Will Windows 7 fix this?

>
> I don't think so as it is not broken. I assume most people won't be
> migrating their data this way.

But I think it its broken. Certainly not from the perspective of computer
science or secure business software, but from the perspective of the "power
user" who got used to doing things in a reasonable way and gets a little
upset when there seems to be no good reason for it to change on MY computer.
The thread above started by Kathy resonates a little for me. The link you
provided above references Windows XP where none of this was an issue, (at
least in my experience) but now with Vista, we are suddenly not so much
masters of our own hardware system.

>
> [...]
>

BTW FromTheRafters, I really appreciate the discussion and attempts to
educate - hard as it is ;<)