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Old 04-23-2009   #1 (permalink)
Aaron


 
 

Which Internet Security Suite to get included with new computer?

I am ordering a new computer (Vista Home Premium 64 bit) that offers an
Internet Security Suite from Norton, McAfee, or Trend Micro in the
purchase price.

I am seeking recommendations on which of the three to get.

I am open to advice ranging from one of them being superior, to they all
are inferior, to which one sucks the least, or even the one easiest to
remove without hosing the system before installing a different suite.

I also have available Kaspersky 7.0 (which I know will update when
installed) with one more available computer on its license. It is
running fine on two Vista Home Premium 32 bit systems.

--

I'm glad my Mom named me Aaron,
That's what everybody calls me.

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Old 04-23-2009   #2 (permalink)
Aaron


 
 

Re: Which Internet Security Suite to get included with new computer?

> I am ordering a new computer (Vista Home Premium 64 bit) that offers an
Quote:

> Internet Security Suite from Norton, McAfee, or Trend Micro in the
> purchase price.
>
> I am seeking recommendations on which of the three to get.
>
> I am open to advice ranging from one of them being superior, to they all
> are inferior, to which one sucks the least, or even the one easiest to
> remove without hosing the system before installing a different suite.
>
> I also have available Kaspersky 7.0 (which I know will update when
> installed) with one more available computer on its license. It is
> running fine on two Vista Home Premium 32 bit systems.
I should have mentioned, I have no problem with recommendations for
individual programs to make a 'suite'.

--

I'm glad my Mom named me Aaron,
That's what everybody calls me.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 04-23-2009   #3 (permalink)
FromTheRafters


 
 

Re: Which Internet Security Suite to get included with new computer?

Trend-Micro. Because I know they used to be good, I like their
write-ups, and I hear so few complaints about them.

"Aaron" <kem_tek@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OHy2YXHxJHA.1492@xxxxxx
Quote:
Quote:

>> I am ordering a new computer (Vista Home Premium 64 bit) that offers
>> an Internet Security Suite from Norton, McAfee, or Trend Micro in the
>> purchase price.
>>
>> I am seeking recommendations on which of the three to get.
>>
>> I am open to advice ranging from one of them being superior, to they
>> all are inferior, to which one sucks the least, or even the one
>> easiest to remove without hosing the system before installing a
>> different suite.
>>
>> I also have available Kaspersky 7.0 (which I know will update when
>> installed) with one more available computer on its license. It is
>> running fine on two Vista Home Premium 32 bit systems.
>
> I should have mentioned, I have no problem with recommendations for
> individual programs to make a 'suite'.
>
> --
>
> I'm glad my Mom named me Aaron,
> That's what everybody calls me.

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 04-23-2009   #4 (permalink)
Charlie Tame


 
 

Re: Which Internet Security Suite to get included with new computer?

Aaron wrote:
Quote:

> I am ordering a new computer (Vista Home Premium 64 bit) that offers an
> Internet Security Suite from Norton, McAfee, or Trend Micro in the
> purchase price.
>
> I am seeking recommendations on which of the three to get.
>
> I am open to advice ranging from one of them being superior, to they all
> are inferior, to which one sucks the least, or even the one easiest to
> remove without hosing the system before installing a different suite.
>
> I also have available Kaspersky 7.0 (which I know will update when
> installed) with one more available computer on its license. It is
> running fine on two Vista Home Premium 32 bit systems.
>
> --
>
> I'm glad my Mom named me Aaron,
> That's what everybody calls me.
Kaspersky, go with what you know works for you. Norton / Symantec and
MacAfee are a waste of space. And you know what, the fact that you were
sensible enough to ask means you already have the best protection you
can get - which is common sense.
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Old 04-23-2009   #5 (permalink)
Ken Blake, MVP


 
 

Re: Which Internet Security Suite to get included with new computer?

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:40:56 -0400, Aaron <kem_tek@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

> I am ordering a new computer (Vista Home Premium 64 bit) that offers an
> Internet Security Suite from Norton, McAfee, or Trend Micro in the
> purchase price.
>
> I am seeking recommendations on which of the three to get.
>
> I am open to advice ranging from one of them being superior, to they all
> are inferior, to which one sucks the least, or even the one easiest to
> remove without hosing the system before installing a different suite.
>
> I also have available Kaspersky 7.0 (which I know will update when
> installed) with one more available computer on its license. It is
> running fine on two Vista Home Premium 32 bit systems.

Three points:

1. I think using *any* security suite is a very poor practice. It's
far better to choose each individual piece of software based on its
qualities as compared to the competing products. The company that
makes the best anti-virus program doesn't necessarily also make the
best anti-spyware program, so I recommend staying away from suites
that force you into making such an assumption

In fact, I think the same thing about almost any kind of suite of
software, including an Office suite. I, for example, use WordPerfect
in preference to Microsoft Word, but Excel in preference to Quattro
Pro.

2. Norton and McAfee are the two *worst* vendors of security software,
in my view. I would stay far away from all their products.

3. Trend Micro is much better than either of the other two, but I
would still recommend that you use the following:

a. The built-in Windows Vista firewall

b. NOD32 anti-virus

c. AT least *two* anti spyware programs. The best is Malwarebytes, but
also add as many as you want from this list:

SuperAntiSpyware
Adaware
Spybot Search and Destroy.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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Old 04-24-2009   #6 (permalink)
Mads Petersen


 
 

Re: Which Internet Security Suite to get included with new computer?



"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@xxxxxx> skrev i meddelelsen
news:be52v4hos76mmippnlt171qe7gkfj6n3d4@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:40:56 -0400, Aaron <kem_tek@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
> 2. Norton and McAfee are the two *worst* vendors of security software,
> in my view. I would stay far away from all their products.
>
> 3. Trend Micro is much better than either of the other two, but I
> would still recommend that you use the following:
>
> a. The built-in Windows Vista firewall
>
> b. NOD32 anti-virus
>
> c. AT least *two* anti spyware programs. The best is Malwarebytes, but
> also add as many as you want from this list:
>
> SuperAntiSpyware
> Adaware
> Spybot Search and Destroy.
Why not start by recomminding the user to run as a non admin (LUA)?
Shall we stop trying to put all our trust in fear driven products and start
using our common sense?

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Old 04-24-2009   #7 (permalink)
Richard G. Harper


 
 

Re: Which Internet Security Suite to get included with new computer?

None of the below. Stick with an antivirus program you trust, add an
anti-spyware/adware package, and turn on and use the Windows firewall. I
don't like, use or recommend suites because of the system impact they carry.

"Aaron" <kem_tek@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OJ2wYVHxJHA.4452@xxxxxx
Quote:

> I am ordering a new computer (Vista Home Premium 64 bit) that offers an
> Internet Security Suite from Norton, McAfee, or Trend Micro in the
> purchase price.
>
> I am seeking recommendations on which of the three to get.
>
> I am open to advice ranging from one of them being superior, to they all
> are inferior, to which one sucks the least, or even the one easiest to
> remove without hosing the system before installing a different suite.
>
> I also have available Kaspersky 7.0 (which I know will update when
> installed) with one more available computer on its license. It is running
> fine on two Vista Home Premium 32 bit systems.
>
> --
>
> I'm glad my Mom named me Aaron,
> That's what everybody calls me.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-07-2009   #8 (permalink)


Vista Ultimate X64 SP2
 
 

Re: Which Internet Security Suite to get included with new computer?

Do not get Trend Micro it is subpar. Norton is the best out of these three-Trend is by far the worst.


Trend Micro is bottom of the barrel Antivirus/Antimlaware program and will at best provide subpar protection.

No Lab certification from either AV-Comparatives, or Virus Bulletin.
There is only the west coast labs certification, which shows a missed Trojan, and ICSA (which doesn’t even test for polymorphic threats-i.e., self replicating/potentially catastrophic malware threats). AV-Comparatives is top notch, and is the best, followed closely by Virus Bulletin’s VB100. Trend Micro failed the last VB100, and has no recent entries at all with AV-Comparatives. It is usually a fair indicator that a Vendor’s product is subpar, when it is not entered into either AV-Comparatives, or the VB100, and/or consistently fails the VB100 whereas NOD32 and Symantec consistently pass year after year.

www.pcworld.com/reviews/product/44060/review/internet_security_pro_2009.html

“Trend Micro Internet Security Pro 2009 Review
Jan 22, 2009 by Erik Larkin, PC World
Trend Micro's suite fails at the most basic task of detecting and blocking malicious software. Not recommended.

Trend Micro Internet Security Pro 2009 ($70 for three users as of 12/24/08 ) fails badly at any security suite's most important task: Identifying malware before it can attack your PC. In tests for "Paying for Protection," our 2009 roundup of nine security suites, Trend Micro's newest offering didn't just come in last place in that crucial category--its dismal 69.3 percent detection rate was a full 20 percentage points behind the next worst competitor. In AV-Test.org's tests, which put each suite up against a huge array of bots, password stealers, and other malware, top performers tagged about 99 percent of the 654,914 samples--but Trend Micro's package let three out of every ten pieces of malicious software go by untouched. That just doesn't cut it for security software.
Trend Micro likewise fell flat in heuristic tests using two-week-old signature files to simulate dealing with unknown threats, and at catching annoying adware. It was dead last in both categories.
The company says that it emphasizes proactive protection that attempts to block threats before they can try installing malware (and before the suite would have to recognize it). Trend Micro uses its own Web crawlers, download tests, and user reports to maintain a database of malicious Web sites, and will block those sites from loading on your PC. It's a valid approach--one that could well supplement scanning for malware on your PC--but it can't yet replace that core detection task.
Trend Micro's package did shine when tasked with cleaning up an existing infection. It removed all the files from nine out of ten malware infections, a performance that only BitDefender matched. It was almost as good in dealing with Registry changes, placing second in that test.
The suite offers a few interesting features, such as a scan for missing Windows patches that assigns a risk level for each one. You'll also get a useful Wi-Fi advisor button in a browser toolbar that can warn you if your wireless network lacks encryption--a smart tool placed in a good location.
Trend Micro also did well with its user interface, and clearly took time to provide good descriptions for features and options. Right away we noticed the use of plain English throughout the program.
But the company went too far with its desire to simplify, as we saw no pop-ups or warnings when it blocked our attempted Zango-adware download. We had to dig into the program logs to find out what was going on. It's good to help people make informed decisions to protect their computer, but it's also important to at least give users an idea that something we just tried to do was potentially harmful. Without an alert, a user might think that their browser simply had a problem, and they might then try installing the dangerous software through another browser--or even worse, on another PC. You can change the default setting to display warnings when your PC encounters viruses or spyware, but you shouldn't have to.
Trend Micro's suite has some good points, but there's no getting around the fact that Internet Security Pro 2009 fails at detecting malicious software, and therefore fails as a security program. We cannot recommend buying it.”

Last edited by rive0108; 05-07-2009 at 01:00 PM..
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Old 05-30-2009   #9 (permalink)
Milo


 
 

Re: Which Internet Security Suite to get included with new computer?

Are we advocating sales here? Nice marketing plug.......

"rive0108" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message
news:74054e98de4b1ffcb14b4131ee21b4bb@xxxxxx-gateway.com...
Quote:

>
> *Do not get Trend Micro it is subpar. Norton is the best out of these
> three-Trend is by far the worst. *
> For recent Certified lab test results
> see:'_http://www.vistax64.com/system-security/172321-vista-sp1-antivirus-performance.html_'
> (Vista SP1 Antivirus Performance)
>
> '_http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archive/results?vendor=VE3_'
> (http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archiv...lts?vendor=VE3)
> '_http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archive/results?display=summary_'
> (http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archiv...isplay=summary)
> '_http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse/report20.pdf_'
> (http://www.av-comparatives.org/seite...e/report20.pdf)
> '_http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_report21.pdf_'
> (http://www.av-comparatives.org/image...c_report21.pdf)
> '_http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archive/results?display=summary_'
> (http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archiv...isplay=summary)
>
> Trend Micro is bottom of the barrel Antivirus/Antimlaware program and
> will at best provide subpar protection.
>
> No Lab certification from either AV-Comparatives, or Virus Bulletin.
> There is only the west coast labs certification, which shows a missed
> Trojan, and ICSA (which doesn’t even test for polymorphic
> threats-i.e., self replicating/potentially catastrophic malware
> threats). AV-Comparatives is top notch, and is the best, followed
> closely by Virus Bulletin’s VB100. Trend Micro failed the last
> VB100, and has no recent entries at all with AV-Comparatives. It is
> usually a fair indicator that a Vendor’s product is subpar, when
> it is not entered into either AV-Comparatives, or the VB100, and/or
> consistently fails the VB100 whereas NOD32 and Symantec consistently
> pass year after year.
>
> '_http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/produ..._pro_2009.html_'
> (http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/produ..._pro_2009.html)
>
> *--*“Trend Micro Internet Security Pro 2009 Review*--*
> -*-*Jan 22, 2009 by Erik Larkin, PC World*-*-
> -*-*::TREND MICRO'S SUITE FAILS AT THE MOST BASIC TASK OF DETECTING AND
> BLOCKING MALICIOUS SOFTWARE. NOT RECOMMENDED.::*-*-
>
> -*-*Trend Micro Internet Security Pro 2009 ($70 for three users as of
> 12/24/08 ) fails badly at any security suite's most important task:
> Identifying malware before it can attack your PC. In tests for "Paying
> for Protection," our 2009 roundup of nine security suites, Trend Micro's
> newest offering didn't just come in last place in that crucial
> category--its dismal 69.3 percent detection rate was a full 20
> percentage points behind the next worst competitor. In AV-Test.org's
> tests, which put each suite up against a huge array of bots, password
> stealers, and other malware, top performers tagged about 99 percent of
> the 654,914 samples--but Trend Micro's package let three out of every
> ten pieces of malicious software go by untouched. That just doesn't cut
> it for security software.*-*-
> -*-*Trend Micro likewise fell flat in heuristic tests using
> two-week-old signature files to simulate dealing with unknown threats,
> and at catching annoying adware. It was dead last in both
> categories.*-*-
> -*-*The company says that it emphasizes proactive protection that
> attempts to block threats before they can try installing malware (and
> before the suite would have to recognize it). Trend Micro uses its own
> Web crawlers, download tests, and user reports to maintain a database of
> malicious Web sites, and will block those sites from loading on your PC.
> It's a valid approach--one that could well supplement scanning for
> malware on your PC--but it can't yet replace that core detection
> task.*-*-
> -*-*Trend Micro's package did shine when tasked with cleaning up an
> existing infection. It removed all the files from nine out of ten
> malware infections, a performance that only BitDefender matched. It was
> almost as good in dealing with Registry changes, placing second in that
> test.*-*-
> -*-*The suite offers a few interesting features, such as a scan for
> missing Windows patches that assigns a risk level for each one. You'll
> also get a useful Wi-Fi advisor button in a browser toolbar that can
> warn you if your wireless network lacks encryption--a smart tool placed
> in a good location.*-*-
> -*-*Trend Micro also did well with its user interface, and clearly took
> time to provide good descriptions for features and options. Right away
> we noticed the use of plain English throughout the program.*-*-
> -*-*But the company went too far with its desire to simplify, as we saw
> no pop-ups or warnings when it blocked our attempted Zango-adware
> download. We had to dig into the program logs to find out what was going
> on. It's good to help people make informed decisions to protect their
> computer, but it's also important to at least give users an idea that
> something we just tried to do was potentially harmful. Without an alert,
> a user might think that their browser simply had a problem, and they
> might then try installing the dangerous software through another
> browser--or even worse, on another PC. You can change the default
> setting to display warnings when your PC encounters viruses or spyware,
> but you shouldn't have to.*-*-
> -*-*Trend Micro's suite has some good points, but there's no getting
> around the fact that Internet Security Pro 2009 fails at detecting
> malicious software, and therefore fails as a security program. We cannot
> recommend buying it.”*-*-
>
>
> --
> rive0108
>
> '::_-Win_$500_With_Vista_Forums-_::'
> (http://www.vistax64.com/competitions..._more_info-_::
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Old 05-30-2009   #10 (permalink)


Vista Ultimate X64 SP2
 
 

Re: Which Internet Security Suite to get included with new computer?

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by Milo View Post
Are we advocating sales here? Nice marketing plug.......
"A marketing plug" that says trend Micro is deficient in malware detection?, give me a break. Articles that attest to the failure of it in LAB testing? Perhaps we have different ideas of a marketing plug. I have also been a person who researches, and then backs up with documentation/test results an answer to a question.

It is simply that trend Micro, while it has been improving in recent Lab tests, Is still deficient, and as the OP inquired about the choice, I would say Its a bad Idea-at least if you want to keep malware, corruption and the like off your new PC.

For those who are interested, the best Certification Labs for AV products are:

AV-Comparatives
VB100
WestCoast Labs
ICSA Labs

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