Vista - Suggested Security

Thanks Paul,

All comments appreciated, considered, and acknowledged
BChat


"Paul Adare" <padare@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.201305015702a56598a36a@msnews.microsoft.com...
In article <edeBka0NHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, in the
microsoft.public.windows.vista.security news group, BChat
<not@available.com> says...

> Firewall,
>
> Are you suggesting just using an AV program and let Vista do the rest? I
> am
> old, my habits are
> almost ''un-killable" ;-) - but I am willing to listen to reason. I'll
> have
> BitLocker with the Ultimate version,
> and am willing to give it a try. Now all I have to do is research how to
> set
> it up etc. Thank You
>

You'd do well just to ignore any advice posted here by
Firewall2. He/she really doesn't understand any of the
technologies and his/her advice is predicated on a complete lack
of understanding.

--
Paul Adare - MVP Virtual Machines
Waiting for a bus is about as thrilling as fishing,
with the similar tantalisation that something,
sometime, somehow, will turn up. George Courtauld

FireWall2 wrote:
> BChat,
>
> Commonly, when using "free" software you not only received what you
> pay for, you receive not-desired malware, specifically Trackers, and
> placed on a broad array of email list.

You know, you pulled me up the other day for being unfair about the Windows
firewall. You've been equally unfair about many reputable providers of free
software right here.

> Since Vista and BitLocker is the Rolls Royce of an OS, and IE 7 is
> the Rolls Royce of Browsers, consider doing what so many others have
> safely done; give Vista a chance for demonstrating it's incredible
> inherent Security !!
>
> Yes, I know old habits die hard, but using Vista solo (for Security)
> is an experience that has never previously existed, historically
> speaking.

Well no, but then that would be because Vista hasn't existed before.

I'm not sure what utility you think Bitlocker has in securing a computer
against malware infection, but Vista's inherent security abilities are much
improved, yes, but even if you trust the built in security tools (firewall,
Defender) you still need a virus scanner of some kind.

> For your benefit and peace of mind, research why and how Vista
> automatically scans and wipes the HDD for self-removing malware and
> other Threats preventing any *not desired* modifications to Vista's
> OS.

I don't wish to be rude, but assuming I've understood the above paragraph,
your knowledge of how malware behaves is far from complete.

Jupiter,

There's a ton of things I don't know and two pounds of things I do know. I
always try to base what I don't know on what I do know to see if there is
any "even semi-logical" connection. If not, I am very hesitant to jump in
without further research. When that fails - I have my frequently made trusty
pre "what-the-hell-did-I-do-that-for?" backups.
BChat


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:%23HQA450NHHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
He is suggesting running Vista "Accept Vista as it is, or, Abandon Vista",
no anti virus.
No reputable source in or out of Microsoft suggests this is a good idea,
Firewall is all alone with this bad advice.
In previous posts, Firewall argued at length with experts and he still
believes Bit Locker is a firewall although there is nothing to support that
myth.

Use caution when following advice from Firewall.
Do so at your own risk.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"BChat" <not@available.com> wrote in message
news:edeBka0NHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Firewall,
>
> Are you suggesting just using an AV program and let Vista do the rest? I
> am
> old, my habits are
> almost ''un-killable" ;-) - but I am willing to listen to reason. I'll
> have
> BitLocker with the Ultimate version,
> and am willing to give it a try. Now all I have to do is research how to
> set
> it up etc. Thank You
>
> BChat
>
> "FireWall2" <FireWall2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2C3E2BA0-5289-4BAE-BEF4-87DE6D4BC7F0@microsoft.com...
> BChat,
>
> Commonly, when using "free" software you not only received what you pay
> for,
> you receive not-desired malware, specifically Trackers, and placed on a
> broad
> array of email list.
>
> Since Vista and BitLocker is the Rolls Royce of an OS, and IE 7 is the
> Rolls
> Royce of Browsers, consider doing what so many others have safely done;
> give
> Vista a chance for demonstrating it's incredible inherent Security !!
>
> Yes, I know old habits die hard, but using Vista solo (for Security) is an
> experience that has never previously existed, historically speaking.
>
> For your benefit and peace of mind, research why and how Vista
> automatically
> scans and wipes the HDD for self-removing malware and other Threats
> preventing any *not desired* modifications to Vista's OS.
>
> --
> Firewall
>
> Disclaimer:
> Accept Vista as it is, or, Abandon Vista
>
>
> "BChat" wrote:
>
>> I will be purchasing Vista Ultimate Full Edition at the end of the month.
>> I
>> plan to use AVG Free for AV protection (I have for years with XP). I also
>> run Spybot S&D, AdAware, Spywareblaster, and SuperAntispyware. Which, if
>> any, are suggested for, or needed with Vista. I understand the Vista
>> Firewall is fine and there is no need for anything else. TIA
>> BChat
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Jupiter,

Please don’t assign blame toward me for your lack of understanding regarding
Vista and BitLocker’s inherent Ultimate Security, please.

Instead, consult Mike Nash and Ben Fathi, each Microsoft Corporate Vice
Presidents for Security and Technology Unit.

Also, consult Austin Wilson Microsoft Director Windows Client Product
Management.

Also, consult Microsoft’s BitLocker Team, too many names for listing.

Just because you have not learned what I have learned from Microsoft's
Experts, and more than a year personally evaluating Vista and BitLockers
Security, does not provide you the license for criticizing and expressing
disapproval of my research and knowledge !

--
Firewall

Disclaimer:
Accept Vista as it is, or, Abandon Vista


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Follow your advice and get caught when a virus written for Vista shows up.
> You still assume Bit Locker is as good as a firewall although many experts
> with far more knowledge than you told and proved otherwise.
> Your own inability to understand the facts does mot make for safe computing
> for others.
>
> No where is there a reputable source suggesting running Vista without
> antivirus, certainly not Microsoft..
> What does that say about your suggestion to "Accept Vista as it is, or,
> Abandon Vista"
> I would rather protect the computer and abandon the malware.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "FireWall2" <FireWall2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2C3E2BA0-5289-4BAE-BEF4-87DE6D4BC7F0@microsoft.com...
> > BChat,
> >
> > Commonly, when using “free� software you not only received what you pay
> > for,
> > you receive not-desired malware, specifically Trackers, and placed on a
> > broad
> > array of email list.
> >
> > Since Vista and BitLocker is the Rolls Royce of an OS, and IE 7 is the
> > Rolls
> > Royce of Browsers, consider doing what so many others have safely done;
> > give
> > Vista a chance for demonstrating it’s incredible inherent Security !!
> >
> > Yes, I know old habits die hard, but using Vista solo (for Security) is an
> > experience that has never previously existed, historically speaking.
> >
> > For your benefit and peace of mind, research why and how Vista
> > automatically
> > scans and wipes the HDD for self-removing malware and other Threats
> > preventing any *not desired* modifications to Vista’s OS.
> >
> > --
> > Firewall
> >
> > Disclaimer:
> > Accept Vista as it is, or, Abandon Vista
>
>

Robert,

Please don’t assign blame toward me for your lack of understanding regarding
Vista and BitLocker’s inherent Ultimate Security, please.

Instead, consult Mike Nash and Ben Fathi, each Microsoft Corporate Vice
Presidents for Security and Technology Unit.

Also, consult Austin Wilson Microsoft Director Windows Client Product
Management.

Also, consult Microsoft’s BitLocker Team, too many names for listing.

Just because you have not learned what I have learned from Microsoft's
Experts, and more than a year personally evaluating Vista and BitLockers
Security, does not provide you the license for criticizing and expressing
disapproval of my research and knowledge !


--
Firewall

Disclaimer:
Accept Vista as it is, or, Abandon Vista


"Robert Moir" wrote:

> FireWall2 wrote:
> > BChat,
> >
> > Commonly, when using "free" software you not only received what you
> > pay for, you receive not-desired malware, specifically Trackers, and
> > placed on a broad array of email list.
>
> You know, you pulled me up the other day for being unfair about the Windows
> firewall. You've been equally unfair about many reputable providers of free
> software right here.
>
> > Since Vista and BitLocker is the Rolls Royce of an OS, and IE 7 is
> > the Rolls Royce of Browsers, consider doing what so many others have
> > safely done; give Vista a chance for demonstrating it's incredible
> > inherent Security !!
> >
> > Yes, I know old habits die hard, but using Vista solo (for Security)
> > is an experience that has never previously existed, historically
> > speaking.
>
> Well no, but then that would be because Vista hasn't existed before.
>
> I'm not sure what utility you think Bitlocker has in securing a computer
> against malware infection, but Vista's inherent security abilities are much
> improved, yes, but even if you trust the built in security tools (firewall,
> Defender) you still need a virus scanner of some kind.
>
> > For your benefit and peace of mind, research why and how Vista
> > automatically scans and wipes the HDD for self-removing malware and
> > other Threats preventing any *not desired* modifications to Vista's
> > OS.
>
> I don't wish to be rude, but assuming I've understood the above paragraph,
> your knowledge of how malware behaves is far from complete.
>
>
>

Paul,

Please don’t assign blame toward me for your lack of understanding regarding
Vista and BitLocker’s inherent Ultimate Security, please.

Instead, consult Mike Nash and Ben Fathi, each Microsoft Corporate Vice
Presidents for Security and Technology Unit.

Also, consult Austin Wilson Microsoft Director Windows Client Product
Management.

Also, consult Microsoft’s BitLocker Team, too many names for listing.

Just because you have not learned what I have learned from Microsoft's
Experts, and more than a year personally evaluating Vista and BitLockers
Security, does not provide you the license for criticizing and expressing
disapproval of my research and knowledge !


--
Firewall

Disclaimer:
Accept Vista as it is, or, Abandon Vista


"Paul Adare" wrote:

> In article <edeBka0NHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, in the
> microsoft.public.windows.vista.security news group, BChat
> <not@available.com> says...
>
> > Firewall,
> >
> > Are you suggesting just using an AV program and let Vista do the rest? I am
> > old, my habits are
> > almost ''un-killable" ;-) - but I am willing to listen to reason. I'll have
> > BitLocker with the Ultimate version,
> > and am willing to give it a try. Now all I have to do is research how to set
> > it up etc. Thank You
> >
>
> You'd do well just to ignore any advice posted here by
> Firewall2. He/she really doesn't understand any of the
> technologies and his/her advice is predicated on a complete lack
> of understanding.
>
> --
> Paul Adare - MVP Virtual Machines
> Waiting for a bus is about as thrilling as fishing,
> with the similar tantalisation that something,
> sometime, somehow, will turn up. George Courtauld
>
>

BChat,

My knowledge is provided by Microsoft. The below, just a very few people
that I have learned from compounded with personally evaluating Vista and
BitLocker.

The decision for using third party A/V is yours for the making.
Comprehending Vista and BitLocker's inherent Ultimate Security is a small
task for you personally learning !!

Instead, consult Mike Nash and Ben Fathi, each Microsoft Corporate Vice
Presidents for Security and Technology Unit.

Also, consult Austin Wilson Microsoft Director Windows Client Product
Management.

Also, consult Microsoft’s BitLocker Team, too many names for listing.

Just because you have not learned what I have learned from Microsoft's
Experts, and more than a year personally evaluating Vista and BitLockers
Security, does not provide you the license for criticizing and expressing
disapproval of my research and knowledge !


--
Firewall

Disclaimer:
Accept Vista as it is, or, Abandon Vista


"BChat" wrote:

> Firewall,
>
> Are you suggesting just using an AV program and let Vista do the rest? I am
> old, my habits are
> almost ''un-killable" ;-) - but I am willing to listen to reason. I'll have
> BitLocker with the Ultimate version,
> and am willing to give it a try. Now all I have to do is research how to set
> it up etc. Thank You
>
> BChat
>
> "FireWall2" <FireWall2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2C3E2BA0-5289-4BAE-BEF4-87DE6D4BC7F0@microsoft.com...
> BChat,
>
> Commonly, when using "free" software you not only received what you pay for,
> you receive not-desired malware, specifically Trackers, and placed on a
> broad
> array of email list.
>
> Since Vista and BitLocker is the Rolls Royce of an OS, and IE 7 is the Rolls
> Royce of Browsers, consider doing what so many others have safely done; give
> Vista a chance for demonstrating it's incredible inherent Security !!
>
> Yes, I know old habits die hard, but using Vista solo (for Security) is an
> experience that has never previously existed, historically speaking.
>
> For your benefit and peace of mind, research why and how Vista automatically
> scans and wipes the HDD for self-removing malware and other Threats
> preventing any *not desired* modifications to Vista's OS.
>
> --
> Firewall
>
> Disclaimer:
> Accept Vista as it is, or, Abandon Vista
>
>
> "BChat" wrote:
>
> > I will be purchasing Vista Ultimate Full Edition at the end of the month.
> > I
> > plan to use AVG Free for AV protection (I have for years with XP). I also
> > run Spybot S&D, AdAware, Spywareblaster, and SuperAntispyware. Which, if
> > any, are suggested for, or needed with Vista. I understand the Vista
> > Firewall is fine and there is no need for anything else. TIA
> > BChat
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Paul,

Also, please consult Vista’s Tech Support via email or telephone. Reluctant
for Posting the telephone number and email address since officially they do
not open until February.

--
Firewall

Disclaimer:
Accept Vista as it is, or, Abandon Vista


"Paul Adare" wrote:

> In article <edeBka0NHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, in the
> microsoft.public.windows.vista.security news group, BChat
> <not@available.com> says...
>
> > Firewall,
> >
> > Are you suggesting just using an AV program and let Vista do the rest? I am
> > old, my habits are
> > almost ''un-killable" ;-) - but I am willing to listen to reason. I'll have
> > BitLocker with the Ultimate version,
> > and am willing to give it a try. Now all I have to do is research how to set
> > it up etc. Thank You
> >
>
> You'd do well just to ignore any advice posted here by
> Firewall2. He/she really doesn't understand any of the
> technologies and his/her advice is predicated on a complete lack
> of understanding.
>
> --
> Paul Adare - MVP Virtual Machines
> Waiting for a bus is about as thrilling as fishing,
> with the similar tantalisation that something,
> sometime, somehow, will turn up. George Courtauld
>
>

Robert,

Also, please consult Vista’s Tech Support via email or telephone. Reluctant
for Posting the telephone number and email address since officially they do
not open until February.

--
Firewall

Disclaimer:
Accept Vista as it is, or, Abandon Vista


"Robert Moir" wrote:

> FireWall2 wrote:
> > BChat,
> >
> > Commonly, when using "free" software you not only received what you
> > pay for, you receive not-desired malware, specifically Trackers, and
> > placed on a broad array of email list.
>
> You know, you pulled me up the other day for being unfair about the Windows
> firewall. You've been equally unfair about many reputable providers of free
> software right here.
>
> > Since Vista and BitLocker is the Rolls Royce of an OS, and IE 7 is
> > the Rolls Royce of Browsers, consider doing what so many others have
> > safely done; give Vista a chance for demonstrating it's incredible
> > inherent Security !!
> >
> > Yes, I know old habits die hard, but using Vista solo (for Security)
> > is an experience that has never previously existed, historically
> > speaking.
>
> Well no, but then that would be because Vista hasn't existed before.
>
> I'm not sure what utility you think Bitlocker has in securing a computer
> against malware infection, but Vista's inherent security abilities are much
> improved, yes, but even if you trust the built in security tools (firewall,
> Defender) you still need a virus scanner of some kind.
>
> > For your benefit and peace of mind, research why and how Vista
> > automatically scans and wipes the HDD for self-removing malware and
> > other Threats preventing any *not desired* modifications to Vista's
> > OS.
>
> I don't wish to be rude, but assuming I've understood the above paragraph,
> your knowledge of how malware behaves is far from complete.
>
>
>

Jupiter,

Visited your provided Web Sites, I swear your photo is remindful of myself.

Attempted to email you from your Web Sites, since the provided emial
function does not work, difficult for achieving.

If you would like the telephone and email address for Vista Tech Support,
let me know, but will not provide the information via a Forum Post.
--
Firewall

Disclaimer:
Accept Vista as it is, or, Abandon Vista


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Follow your advice and get caught when a virus written for Vista shows up.
> You still assume Bit Locker is as good as a firewall although many experts
> with far more knowledge than you told and proved otherwise.
> Your own inability to understand the facts does mot make for safe computing
> for others.
>
> No where is there a reputable source suggesting running Vista without
> antivirus, certainly not Microsoft..
> What does that say about your suggestion to "Accept Vista as it is, or,
> Abandon Vista"
> I would rather protect the computer and abandon the malware.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "FireWall2" <FireWall2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2C3E2BA0-5289-4BAE-BEF4-87DE6D4BC7F0@microsoft.com...
> > BChat,
> >
> > Commonly, when using “free� software you not only received what you pay
> > for,
> > you receive not-desired malware, specifically Trackers, and placed on a
> > broad
> > array of email list.
> >
> > Since Vista and BitLocker is the Rolls Royce of an OS, and IE 7 is the
> > Rolls
> > Royce of Browsers, consider doing what so many others have safely done;
> > give
> > Vista a chance for demonstrating it’s incredible inherent Security !!
> >
> > Yes, I know old habits die hard, but using Vista solo (for Security) is an
> > experience that has never previously existed, historically speaking.
> >
> > For your benefit and peace of mind, research why and how Vista
> > automatically
> > scans and wipes the HDD for self-removing malware and other Threats
> > preventing any *not desired* modifications to Vista’s OS.
> >
> > --
> > Firewall
> >
> > Disclaimer:
> > Accept Vista as it is, or, Abandon Vista
>
>