Is this a bug at Windows Vista?

Hello, I have a question about Micrososft Vindows Vista. (This link is
documentation with screenshot this steps. Please look.
http://rapidshare.com/files/18546146...a_bug.doc.html )



I have two partitions in my computer (C: and E. I create a folder in E:
partition. This folder name is "Top_Secret". I create a file in this
Top_Secret folder. This file name is "very_secret_file .txt". I dont want
see this file anybody because this file contents very important my company.



Maybe can I be a inexperienced user. I dont know EFS or other file security
options. I know, I create this file and I dont want to see anybody.

I shutdown my pc and going my house.



A thief user or person want to see this file contents "very_secret_file.txt".
Normally Certainly anyone dont must this file contents. Normall anybody dont
must see this file contents if they are don't know my user account and
password. But can I see this file via starting pc Microsoft Vista Installig
Cd.



How to see this file contents:



I boot Vista with Windows Vista Installation Cd. Click Repair your computer,
Click toLoad Drivers, Click to OK and opening Vista files in my computer
harddisk. I can see all files in this list box .And select to E: drive and I
can see my private Top_Secret folder.



Right click this Top Secret folder and select to "Send To-Flopy Disk Drive
(A)" and my Top_Secret folder is starting a copy to Flopy Disket Drive.



My file was in the folder. This thief user or person can I take this disket
and open my private files at other computers .



Ýs this a bug or normally status? I dont trust, Ýs this normally?



Can I take some information this status.



Thanks.




Ercan PAMUK

Mail&Msn: ercan_pamuk@hotmail.com



This link is documentation with screenshot this steps. Please look.

http://rapidshare.com/files/18546146...a_bug.doc.html

Hello MirzeK,

If you configure no security you don't get security. If somebody get's physical
access to you machine, most of the time it is possible to get information
from the harddisk. It's only time and sometimes also money consuming.
If you have the hardware, then you can get the information. So for you is
important to use harddisk encryption tools like Bitlocker or also try out
Pointsec or something else.
But keep in mind, if the hardware is stolen/lost everything is unsecure.
Doesn't matter what OS.

Best regards

Myweb
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no rights.

> Hello, I have a question about Micrososft Vindows Vista. (This link is
> documentation with screenshot this steps. Please look.
> http://rapidshare.com/files/18546146...a_bug.doc.html )
>
> I have two partitions in my computer (C: and E. I create a folder
> in E: partition. This folder name is "Top_Secret". I create a file in
> this Top_Secret folder. This file name is "very_secret_file .txt". I
> dont want see this file anybody because this file contents very
> important my company.
>
> Maybe can I be a inexperienced user. I dont know EFS or other file
> security options. I know, I create this file and I dont want to see
> anybody.
>
> I shutdown my pc and going my house.
>
> A thief user or person want to see this file contents
> "very_secret_file.txt". Normally Certainly anyone dont must this file
> contents. Normall anybody dont must see this file contents if they are
> don't know my user account and password. But can I see this file via
> starting pc Microsoft Vista Installig Cd.
>
> How to see this file contents:
>
> I boot Vista with Windows Vista Installation Cd. Click Repair your
> computer, Click toLoad Drivers, Click to OK and opening Vista files
> in my computer harddisk. I can see all files in this list box .And
> select to E: drive and I can see my private Top_Secret folder.
>
> Right click this Top Secret folder and select to "Send To-Flopy Disk
> Drive (A)" and my Top_Secret folder is starting a copy to Flopy Disket
> Drive.
>
> My file was in the folder. This thief user or person can I take this
> disket and open my private files at other computers .
>
> Ýs this a bug or normally status? I dont trust, Ýs this normally?
>
> Can I take some information this status.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ercan PAMUK
>
> Mail&Msn: ercan_pamuk@hotmail.com
>
> This link is documentation with screenshot this steps. Please look.
>
> http://rapidshare.com/files/18546146...a_bug.doc.html
>

MirzeK wrote:
> Hello, I have a question about Micrososft Vindows Vista. (This link is
> documentation with screenshot this steps. Please look.
> http://rapidshare.com/files/18546146...a_bug.doc.html )
>
> I have two partitions in my computer (C: and E. I create a folder in E:
> partition. This folder name is "Top_Secret". I create a file in this
> Top_Secret folder. This file name is "very_secret_file .txt". I dont want
> see this file anybody because this file contents very important my
> company.
> Maybe can I be a inexperienced user. I dont know EFS or other file
> security options. I know, I create this file and I dont want to see
> anybody.
> I shutdown my pc and going my house.
>
> A thief user or person want to see this file contents
> "very_secret_file.txt". Normally Certainly anyone dont must this file
> contents. Normall anybody dont must see this file contents if they are
> don't know my user account and password. But can I see this file via
> starting pc Microsoft Vista Installig Cd.
>
> How to see this file contents:
>
> I boot Vista with Windows Vista Installation Cd. Click Repair your
> computer, Click toLoad Drivers, Click to OK and opening Vista files in
> my computer harddisk. I can see all files in this list box .And select to
> E: drive and I can see my private Top_Secret folder.
>
> Right click this Top Secret folder and select to "Send To-Flopy Disk Drive
> (A)" and my Top_Secret folder is starting a copy to Flopy Disket Drive.
>
> My file was in the folder. This thief user or person can I take this
> disket and open my private files at other computers .
>
> Ýs this a bug or normally status? I dont trust, Ýs this normally?
>
> Can I take some information this status.

This is not a bug. You have done nothing to secure that file so should not
be surprised that the file is viewable. The thief would not need a Vista
DVD to find and view the file, there are many many ways to boot your PC from
removable media and get anything/everything off the hard drive. Once
someone has physical access to your machine they can get pretty much
anything they want off the machine. By leaving the file unencrypted you
simply make it that much easier for them. Keep in mind that even encrypting
the file doesn't make it completely off limits as there are tools that can
recover encrypted files. It is a mistake to think that a password on a
logon screen is enough to secure the files on a PC. This is why most
companies make it a violation of their policies for employees to store
sensitive data on their PC hard drives. Instead all sensitive data should
only be stored on servers internal to the company that are physically and
virtually inaccessible to anyone outside the company.
--
Tom Porterfield

True Crypt is a good solution, but it is not yet available for Vista.
According to his future notes, he is working on a Vista version. True
Crypt allows you to create an encrypted drive. You create an encrypted
file and then mount it, as if it was an extra hard drive. Passwords
should be a least 30 to 40 characters long, which make them harder to
guess. You can move the file from computer to computer, but without the
password, it is useless. You can also use any extension that you want,
and True Crypt will still read it. You could call it an .iso file to
confuse people. Dont forget your password, since there is no way to
recover it.






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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:11:07 +0200, "MirzeK"
<ercan_pamuk@hotmail.com(sil)> spake thusly:

>
>Hello, I have a question about Micrososft Vindows Vista. (This link is
>documentation with screenshot this steps. Please look.
>http://rapidshare.com/files/18546146...a_bug.doc.html )

UGH
RapidShare
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
NOTICE: In-Newsgroup (and therefore off-topic) comments on my sig will
be cheerfully ignored, so don't waste our time.

Bitlocker will encrypt your system drive but it will not protect a non-system
drive such as your E: drive. You can, however, use EFS to encrypt non-system
drives. This is a new feature of EFS in Vista. That can be done using
cipher.exe at a command prompt. For example, running "cipher /e /s:e:" will
encrypt your E: drive and its contents and anything that you add later to
that drive. This will prevent access to the files and folders on E: from the
CD boot that you describe. Be sure to back up your EFS certificate and key
to a PFX file on removable media. Vista's Help and Support has documentation
for how to do that.

More information about data protection in Vista is here:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...tive_data.mspx

Thanks.
Pat
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"Myweb" wrote:

> Hello MirzeK,
>
> If you configure no security you don't get security. If somebody get's physical
> access to you machine, most of the time it is possible to get information
> from the harddisk. It's only time and sometimes also money consuming.
> If you have the hardware, then you can get the information. So for you is
> important to use harddisk encryption tools like Bitlocker or also try out
> Pointsec or something else.
> But keep in mind, if the hardware is stolen/lost everything is unsecure.
> Doesn't matter what OS.
>
> Best regards
>
> Myweb
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no rights.
>
> > Hello, I have a question about Micrososft Vindows Vista. (This link is
> > documentation with screenshot this steps. Please look.
> > http://rapidshare.com/files/18546146...a_bug.doc.html )
> >
> > I have two partitions in my computer (C: and E. I create a folder
> > in E: partition. This folder name is "Top_Secret". I create a file in
> > this Top_Secret folder. This file name is "very_secret_file .txt". I
> > dont want see this file anybody because this file contents very
> > important my company.
> >
> > Maybe can I be a inexperienced user. I dont know EFS or other file
> > security options. I know, I create this file and I dont want to see
> > anybody.
> >
> > I shutdown my pc and going my house.
> >
> > A thief user or person want to see this file contents
> > "very_secret_file.txt". Normally Certainly anyone dont must this file
> > contents. Normall anybody dont must see this file contents if they are
> > don't know my user account and password. But can I see this file via
> > starting pc Microsoft Vista Installig Cd.
> >
> > How to see this file contents:
> >
> > I boot Vista with Windows Vista Installation Cd. Click Repair your
> > computer, Click toLoad Drivers, Click to OK and opening Vista files
> > in my computer harddisk. I can see all files in this list box .And
> > select to E: drive and I can see my private Top_Secret folder.
> >
> > Right click this Top Secret folder and select to "Send To-Flopy Disk
> > Drive (A)" and my Top_Secret folder is starting a copy to Flopy Disket
> > Drive.
> >
> > My file was in the folder. This thief user or person can I take this
> > disket and open my private files at other computers .
> >
> > �s this a bug or normally status? I dont trust, �s this normally?
> >
> > Can I take some information this status.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Ercan PAMUK
> >
> > Mail&Msn: ercan_pamuk@hotmail.com
> >
> > This link is documentation with screenshot this steps. Please look.
> >
> > http://rapidshare.com/files/18546146...a_bug.doc.html
> >
>
>
>

In article <4D47F0D8-9B89-461A-B46A-976E0A5DBEDE@microsoft.com>,
in the microsoft.public.windows.vista.security news group, =?
Utf-8?B?UGF0IEhvZmZlciBbTVNGVF0=?=
<pathoff@online.microsoft.com> says...

> You can, however, use EFS to encrypt non-system
> drives. This is a new feature of EFS in Vista
>

Ok, so how exactly is being able to use EFS to encrypt a non-
system drive a new feature in Vista?

--
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MVP - Windows - Virtual Machine
http://www.identit.ca
"The English language, complete with irony, satire, and sarcasm,
has survived for centuries without smileys. Only the new crop of
modern computer geeks finds it impossible to detect a joke that
is not clearly labeled as such."
Ray Shea

On systems prior to Vista, EFS blocked encrypting the root folder of a
non-system drive; however, you could encrypt all the contents (files/folders)
of that drive--everything below the root. In Vista, EFS will allow you to
set the encrypt bit on the root, itself.

Thanks.
Pat
--
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"Paul Adare" wrote:

> In article <4D47F0D8-9B89-461A-B46A-976E0A5DBEDE@microsoft.com>,
> in the microsoft.public.windows.vista.security news group, =?
> Utf-8?B?UGF0IEhvZmZlciBbTVNGVF0=?=
> <pathoff@online.microsoft.com> says...
>
> > You can, however, use EFS to encrypt non-system
> > drives. This is a new feature of EFS in Vista
> >
>
> Ok, so how exactly is being able to use EFS to encrypt a non-
> system drive a new feature in Vista?
>
> --
> Paul Adare
> MVP - Windows - Virtual Machine
> http://www.identit.ca
> "The English language, complete with irony, satire, and sarcasm,
> has survived for centuries without smileys. Only the new crop of
> modern computer geeks finds it impossible to detect a joke that
> is not clearly labeled as such."
> Ray Shea
>

In article <27936AE2-D33A-47D4-88B8-94636A86C6D7@microsoft.com>,
in the microsoft.public.windows.vista.security news group, =?
Utf-8?B?UGF0IEhvZmZlciBbTVNGVF0=?=
<pathoff@online.microsoft.com> says...

> On systems prior to Vista, EFS blocked encrypting the root folder of a
> non-system drive; however, you could encrypt all the contents (files/folders)
> of that drive--everything below the root. In Vista, EFS will allow you to
> set the encrypt bit on the root, itself.
>
> Thanks.
>

Thanks.

--
Paul Adare
MVP - Windows - Virtual Machine
http://www.identit.ca
"The English language, complete with irony, satire, and sarcasm,
has survived for centuries without smileys. Only the new crop of
modern computer geeks finds it impossible to detect a joke that
is not clearly labeled as such."
Ray Shea