Vista has taken the FUN out of computing.

when you separate the private purchases from the manufacturer licenses for included vista you will find that it is the FORCED purchase of vista by the likes of dell, gateway, hp, etc.... that increased the profits. NOT the private purchases by individuals.




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"Rock" <Rock@nospam.net> wrote in message news:OSnlF%236jHHA.4624@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
"Paul" wrote
>I have been using computers ever since they came out (It was my job). I
>have
> built, repaired, and modified computers. I can program in several
> languages.
> And my wife has a new HP with Vista. After reading the messages and pleas
> for help in this newsgroup and others, if anyone will be honest enough,
> they will agree that Vista has gone overboard with security. Vista has
> sucked ALL the FUN out of computing. I surf the web all the time and with
> a
> few precautions, I have never had any problems from hackers. Long story
> short...I HOPE VISTA FAILS AND IS NOT ACCEPTED BY THE PUBLIC. From reading
> this newsgroup and others, there are many, many dissatisfied customers.
> When my ME and XP computers can no longer be repaired, if Vista is all
> that
> is available, I will NEVER get on a computer again.

Taken the fun out? Hmm, I have fun with it, I had fun with XP, I have fun
with computers. I view UAC as giving me control over what is happening
instead of any program that wants to run as admin being allowed to. I get
many fewer UAC prompts now that the system is set up. I don't think it has
gone far enough for security. MS made too many concessions to the software
authors for compatibility with older software.

I wonder what one would think if they stopped by an hospital emergency room.
Would you think everyone in the world is having a health crises because you
visit a place people go when they have a health problem?

Have fun not computing, but let me give you a tip, they are not going away.
By the way MS profits are up something like 64% this last quarter because of
Vista and Office.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

"Paul" <Paul@SBCmetro.com> wrote in message
news:nz0%h.21060$Um6.7369@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
>I have been using computers ever since they came out (It was my job). I
>have
> built, repaired, and modified computers. I can program in several
> languages.
> And my wife has a new HP with Vista. After reading the messages and pleas
> for help in this newsgroup and others, if anyone will be honest enough,
> they will agree that Vista has gone overboard with security. Vista has
> sucked ALL the FUN out of computing. I surf the web all the time and with
> a
> few precautions, I have never had any problems from hackers. Long story
> short...I HOPE VISTA FAILS AND IS NOT ACCEPTED BY THE PUBLIC. From reading
> this newsgroup and others, there are many, many dissatisfied customers.
> When my ME and XP computers can no longer be repaired, if Vista is all
> that
> is available, I will NEVER get on a computer again.
> Paul
>

I don't think Vista has gone overboard with security. I want my system to
be secure from virus, malware and spyware. MS has taken a lot of heat in
the past over security in their OS's and they have simply responded by
trying to make Vista more secure. I have been running Vista for several
months and you'll find that UAC prompts you quite a bit when you're setting
a new machine up but over the longer term it is not much of a distraction.

I think we also need to keep in mind that Vista is a new OS and will improve
as service packs are released. While I believe MS made a few blunders (no
http mail access in Windows Mail and Visual Studio 2003 incompatibility) in
the move to Vista I'm hoping they will learn from their mistakes with
improvements to Vista with each service pack. I don't think the perfect OS
exists as there are pros and cons to each one but Vista is likely to
dominate the desktop in a few years and it will get better and better as
service packs are released.

"Paul" <Paul@SBCmetro.com> wrote in message
news:nz0%h.21060$Um6.7369@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
>I have been using computers ever since they came out (It was my job). I
>have
> built, repaired, and modified computers. I can program in several
> languages.
> And my wife has a new HP with Vista. After reading the messages and pleas
> for help in this newsgroup and others, if anyone will be honest enough,
> they will agree that Vista has gone overboard with security. Vista has
> sucked ALL the FUN out of computing. I surf the web all the time and with
> a
> few precautions, I have never had any problems from hackers. Long story
> short...I HOPE VISTA FAILS AND IS NOT ACCEPTED BY THE PUBLIC. From reading
> this newsgroup and others, there are many, many dissatisfied customers.
> When my ME and XP computers can no longer be repaired, if Vista is all
> that
> is available, I will NEVER get on a computer again.
> Paul
>
>

Get an Atari 800 and live there for the rest of your life.

EW

You sure get around there, Paul! Already read your tirade elsewhere.



"Kevin Young" wrote:

>
>
> "Paul" <Paul@SBCmetro.com> wrote in message
> news:nz0%h.21060$Um6.7369@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
> >I have been using computers ever since they came out (It was my job). I
> >have
> > built, repaired, and modified computers. I can program in several
> > languages.
> > And my wife has a new HP with Vista. After reading the messages and pleas
> > for help in this newsgroup and others, if anyone will be honest enough,
> > they will agree that Vista has gone overboard with security. Vista has
> > sucked ALL the FUN out of computing. I surf the web all the time and with
> > a
> > few precautions, I have never had any problems from hackers. Long story
> > short...I HOPE VISTA FAILS AND IS NOT ACCEPTED BY THE PUBLIC. From reading
> > this newsgroup and others, there are many, many dissatisfied customers.
> > When my ME and XP computers can no longer be repaired, if Vista is all
> > that
> > is available, I will NEVER get on a computer again.
> > Paul
> >
>
> I don't think Vista has gone overboard with security. I want my system to
> be secure from virus, malware and spyware. MS has taken a lot of heat in
> the past over security in their OS's and they have simply responded by
> trying to make Vista more secure. I have been running Vista for several
> months and you'll find that UAC prompts you quite a bit when you're setting
> a new machine up but over the longer term it is not much of a distraction.
>
> I think we also need to keep in mind that Vista is a new OS and will improve
> as service packs are released. While I believe MS made a few blunders (no
> http mail access in Windows Mail and Visual Studio 2003 incompatibility) in
> the move to Vista I'm hoping they will learn from their mistakes with
> improvements to Vista with each service pack. I don't think the perfect OS
> exists as there are pros and cons to each one but Vista is likely to
> dominate the desktop in a few years and it will get better and better as
> service packs are released.
>

"Steve Thackery" <thack@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:%23%23vyzI2jHHA.1776@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> How many have posted complaints here, do you think? A couple of hundred?
> (Don't forget lots of moans come from the same hardcore of naysayers).
>
> What about the 20+ million users who have NOT posted complaints here?

some weren't able to.


>Sure, not all of them will be satisfied, but a heck of a lot will be.
>
> Steve
>

I'm always up for a good tirade.

Personally I like the security features, just wish they were a little less obtrusive. Like maybe a little balloon that pops up from a dancing paper clip asking me if I want to trust an app, or something like that. Greying out the whole !@#$ screen and beeping is just plain obnoxious. There could be something more important I need to do first, you know. Or maybe the OS should be allowed to reprioritize my entire schedule?

And FWIW what I find most annoying about Vista is the same cr@p I hated in XP: restore points and search indexing. The OS actually performs pretty well once they're disabled. Though I must admit the default settings do make me fondly reminisce working with an Atari 800... all that sitting and waiting... ah, the good old days...

</tirade>

Err what fun are you missing?

Seriously? I don't get it.

--
Joe Richards Microsoft MVP Windows Server Directory Services
Author of O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition
www.joeware.net


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Paul wrote:
> I have been using computers ever since they came out (It was my job). I have
> built, repaired, and modified computers. I can program in several languages.
> And my wife has a new HP with Vista. After reading the messages and pleas
> for help in this newsgroup and others, if anyone will be honest enough,
> they will agree that Vista has gone overboard with security. Vista has
> sucked ALL the FUN out of computing. I surf the web all the time and with a
> few precautions, I have never had any problems from hackers. Long story
> short...I HOPE VISTA FAILS AND IS NOT ACCEPTED BY THE PUBLIC. From reading
> this newsgroup and others, there are many, many dissatisfied customers.
> When my ME and XP computers can no longer be repaired, if Vista is all that
> is available, I will NEVER get on a computer again.
> Paul
>
>