Vista - Vista Firewall ??????

Vista Firewall, a bit of a misnomer. One small step above XP's one way
Firewall.
it may stop a lot of stuff incoming, but very little outgoing.
In fact everything MS and the PC manufacturer, among others
wants outgoing, goes out, unknown to you.
Go to www.grc.com and download their free Leaktest software.
It's very small, and you'll realize how much you need a proper Firewall.
PC.Tools Firewall Plus, free for Vista, will do the trick...
That along with Avast free Anti-Virus for Vista will keep you safe.
I'd also use a Router for peace of mind...

"Davcal" <davcal@dav.cal> wrote in message
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> Vista Firewall, a bit of a misnomer. One small step above XP's one way
> Firewall.
> it may stop a lot of stuff incoming, but very little outgoing.
> In fact everything MS and the PC manufacturer, among others
> wants outgoing, goes out, unknown to you.
> Go to www.grc.com and download their free Leaktest software.
> It's very small, and you'll realize how much you need a proper Firewall.
> PC.Tools Firewall Plus, free for Vista, will do the trick...
> That along with Avast free Anti-Virus for Vista will keep you safe.
> I'd also use a Router for peace of mind...

Though you're right about the inadequacy of the Microsoft-supplied Vista
firewall, PCTools Firewall is not an acceptable alternative as it will block
access to machines on the local lan and there is no easy fix. I've tried a
number of supposedly Vista-compatible firewalls and have yet to find one
that (1) works and (2) doesn't bring the machine to a screeching halt
whenever there's network activity.

>

On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:00:15 -0700, "Davcal" <davcal@dav.cal> wrote:

>Vista Firewall, a bit of a misnomer. One small step above XP's one way
>Firewall.
>it may stop a lot of stuff incoming, but very little outgoing.

What's the purpose of stopping outgoing? Are you paying per byte?

>In fact everything MS and the PC manufacturer, among others
> wants outgoing, goes out, unknown to you.

If you are right about that, no third party firewall will be able to
do anything about it anyway.

>Go to www.grc.com and download their free Leaktest software.

For what purpose exactly? It's one of the oldest leak tests there is.
No firewall is fooled by that anymore. They are very questionable
against modern malware though.

>It's very small, and you'll realize how much you need a proper Firewall.
>PC.Tools Firewall Plus, free for Vista, will do the trick...

LOL

>That along with Avast free Anti-Virus for Vista will keep you safe.

No add-on software will keep you safe. A resonable security concept
and common sense will.

>I'd also use a Router for peace of mind...

If it makes you feel better, go ahead....

"Davcal" <davcal@dav.cal> wrote
> Vista Firewall, a bit of a misnomer. One small step above XP's one way
> Firewall.
> it may stop a lot of stuff incoming, but very little outgoing.
> In fact everything MS and the PC manufacturer, among others
> wants outgoing, goes out, unknown to you.
> Go to www.grc.com and download their free Leaktest software.
> It's very small, and you'll realize how much you need a proper Firewall.
> PC.Tools Firewall Plus, free for Vista, will do the trick...
> That along with Avast free Anti-Virus for Vista will keep you safe.
> I'd also use a Router for peace of mind...

Attempting to control outbound traffic as a means of malware control is
pointless. There are many ways malware can bypass it. If your purpose is
to control non malware apps, then that can be done with Vista's firewall.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

With all due respect "Mr. aka B Nice", you have no idea what you are
talking about.
Please do a little research, before answering posts...


"Straight Talk (aka B. Nice)" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:00:15 -0700, "Davcal" <davcal@dav.cal> wrote:
>
>>Vista Firewall, a bit of a misnomer. One small step above XP's one way
>>Firewall.
>>it may stop a lot of stuff incoming, but very little outgoing.
>
> What's the purpose of stopping outgoing? Are you paying per byte?
>
>>In fact everything MS and the PC manufacturer, among others
>> wants outgoing, goes out, unknown to you.
>
> If you are right about that, no third party firewall will be able to
> do anything about it anyway.
>
>>Go to www.grc.com and download their free Leaktest software.
>
> For what purpose exactly? It's one of the oldest leak tests there is.
> No firewall is fooled by that anymore. They are very questionable
> against modern malware though.
>
>>It's very small, and you'll realize how much you need a proper Firewall.
>>PC.Tools Firewall Plus, free for Vista, will do the trick...
>
> LOL
>
>>That along with Avast free Anti-Virus for Vista will keep you safe.
>
> No add-on software will keep you safe. A resonable security concept
> and common sense will.
>
>>I'd also use a Router for peace of mind...
>
> If it makes you feel better, go ahead....

I think you'll find if you read the help files that you can run it in a
LAN.
I do it right now. Check out the "Applications & Advanced rules
Settings"
Then check under Settings/Adapters and adjust accordingly.
You have to do a little work, but it will...


"PTravel" <ptravel@travelersvideo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Davcal" <davcal@dav.cal> wrote in message
> news:eaILS%23jmHHA.3484@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Vista Firewall, a bit of a misnomer. One small step above XP's one way
>> Firewall.
>> it may stop a lot of stuff incoming, but very little outgoing.
>> In fact everything MS and the PC manufacturer, among others
>> wants outgoing, goes out, unknown to you.
>> Go to www.grc.com and download their free Leaktest software.
>> It's very small, and you'll realize how much you need a proper Firewall.
>> PC.Tools Firewall Plus, free for Vista, will do the trick...
>> That along with Avast free Anti-Virus for Vista will keep you safe.
>> I'd also use a Router for peace of mind...
>
> Though you're right about the inadequacy of the Microsoft-supplied Vista
> firewall, PCTools Firewall is not an acceptable alternative as it will
> block access to machines on the local lan and there is no easy fix. I've
> tried a number of supposedly Vista-compatible firewalls and have yet to
> find one that (1) works and (2) doesn't bring the machine to a screeching
> halt whenever there's network activity.
>
>>
>

Rock..My purpose is to control anything that wants to enter or leave my
PC.
In other words, I will decide what and when, not MS, HP, or whatever...
After I set up the PC Tools Firewall, I couldn't believe the stuff that
was trying to
access the Internet. PC Tools Firewall at least gives you the option of
allowing or not.
All due respect Rock, You being a MS-MVP know full well what I am
talking about...


"Rock" <Rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> "Davcal" <davcal@dav.cal> wrote
>> Vista Firewall, a bit of a misnomer. One small step above XP's one way
>> Firewall.
>> it may stop a lot of stuff incoming, but very little outgoing.
>> In fact everything MS and the PC manufacturer, among others
>> wants outgoing, goes out, unknown to you.
>> Go to www.grc.com and download their free Leaktest software.
>> It's very small, and you'll realize how much you need a proper Firewall.
>> PC.Tools Firewall Plus, free for Vista, will do the trick...
>> That along with Avast free Anti-Virus for Vista will keep you safe.
>> I'd also use a Router for peace of mind...
>
> Attempting to control outbound traffic as a means of malware control is
> pointless. There are many ways malware can bypass it. If your purpose is
> to control non malware apps, then that can be done with Vista's firewall.
>
> --
> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

On Sat, 19 May 2007 13:39:41 -0700, "Davcal" <davcal@dav.cal> wrote:

> With all due respect "Mr. aka B Nice", you have no idea what you are
>talking about.

Funny enough that was the exact same impression I got of you judged on
your initial post. It's not the first clueless attack on the windows
firewall I've experienced.

> Please do a little research, before answering posts...

Please get a little clue before posting in the first place.

On Sat, 19 May 2007 13:57:32 -0700, "Davcal" <davcal@dav.cal> wrote:

> Rock..My purpose is to control anything that wants to enter or leave my
>PC.
> In other words, I will decide what and when, not MS, HP, or whatever...

MS is in charge of the very O/S which just happens to be the highest
authority on your machine. Please try and understand that if they are
determined to "phone home" without you knowing about it, nothing will
prevent them from doing so. If you have so many worries about that you
shouldn't be running windows in the first place.

<snip>

> All due respect Rock, You being a MS-MVP know full well what I am
>talking about...

I think he knows what he is talking about.

"Davcal" wrote
> Rock..My purpose is to control anything that wants to enter or leave my
> PC.
> In other words, I will decide what and when, not MS, HP, or
> whatever...
> After I set up the PC Tools Firewall, I couldn't believe the stuff that
> was trying to
> access the Internet. PC Tools Firewall at least gives you the option of
> allowing or not.
> All due respect Rock, You being a MS-MVP know full well what I am
> talking about...

> "Rock" wrote
>> "Davcal" wrote
>>> Vista Firewall, a bit of a misnomer. One small step above XP's one way
>>> Firewall.
>>> it may stop a lot of stuff incoming, but very little outgoing.
>>> In fact everything MS and the PC manufacturer, among others
>>> wants outgoing, goes out, unknown to you.
>>> Go to www.grc.com and download their free Leaktest software.
>>> It's very small, and you'll realize how much you need a proper Firewall.
>>> PC.Tools Firewall Plus, free for Vista, will do the trick...
>>> That along with Avast free Anti-Virus for Vista will keep you safe.
>>> I'd also use a Router for peace of mind...
>>
>> Attempting to control outbound traffic as a means of malware control is
>> pointless. There are many ways malware can bypass it. If your purpose
>> is to control non malware apps, then that can be done with Vista's
>> firewall.

Like I said, if you are trying to control malware that's already on your
system from calling out, it's too late. There are many ways malware can
bypass any software firewall from inside. If the intent is to control non
malicious software from going outside, the Vista firewall can be configured
to do that.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]