Upgrade Enterprise/SP1 - Ultimate/SP1

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Boudewijn

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Hello All,
Admittedly, a post out of pure frustration.

I want to upgrade from Vista Enterprise/SP1 to Vista Ultimate/SP1
Life is after all more than just work, and i would lke to use Media Center edition.

In spite of the fact that I am a Volume license customer with SA and have paid extra for Ultimate media kits, there seems to be no way to upgrade from Enterprise to Ultimate. That is most unfortunate and frustrating as doing a clean Ultimate install may be an option in theory, but, with a mature Enterprise setup, not in practice!

I know, by the way, about changing the word 'Enterprise' into 'Business' in the registry., however it makes no difference.

The 'upgrade' option remains grayed out and I am being advised to install a 'newer' version?! The exsting setup is Enterprise/SPI and I am trying to go to ULtimate/SP1 which is certainly not older. So why is Vista complaining?

If there is anybody out there who could help, I would certainly like to know!

Best regards,
Boudewijn
 

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Is the Ultimate that you got also a Volume License (MAK key) version, or just a retail? If Retail, that might be your issue....
 

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Hello,
Tks for yr reply.
The key is not he problem. The problem is the fact that when trying to upgrade from Enterprise/SPI with the Ultimate/SP1 disk, Vista seems to think that i am trying to upgrade with a older version.

Checking the file version confirms this. The Enterprise/SP1 disk has largely file version 6.0.6001.18000 whereas the Ultimat/SP1 disk uses version 6.0.6000.16386. That is probably why i can't upgrade.

If I could change the file versions on my Ultimate disk... BUt which files. There are simply too many to change them all.

That is the problem.

Thanks/regards,
Boudewijn
 

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Hello again,
Thanks for yr reply, but I am afraid yo misunderstand, or perhaps I am not entirely clear.
I do have an SP1 slipstreamed Ultmate disk. THe problem is that Windows seems to think that this disk is older than what I've got aready installed, hence it refuses to upgrade.
See my previous post.

Hope this makes sense now.
Regards, Boudewijn.
 

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OK, then did you try to just change your "Key license" as normally ultimate is part of all installations, just the key manages to activate or not some functions.

Edit:
BTW, when you tried to trick the system through Regedit, did you also changed the key: EditionID from "Enterprise" to "Business" ?
 
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Hello Sid,
Yes to both questions.
The problem is that my (VLited) SP1 slipstreamed Ultimate is considered to be 'older' (version number 6.0.6000.16386) then my current version (6.0.6001.18000). Hw do I convince Windows to allow the upgarde?
Regards,
Boudewijn
 

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Hello,
Yes, I did. The problem is as I described in my previous post.
Windows thinks that I am trying to install something that is older than whats already there, hence it disallows the upgrade option.

Regards,
Boudewijn
 

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Boudewijn said:
Hello,
The key is not he problem. The problem is the fact that when trying to upgrade from Enterprise/SPI with the Ultimate/SP1 disk, Vista seems to think that i am trying to upgrade with a older version.
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Enterprise uses different activation methods and customer extensions not included with Ultimate like media centre.... So im thinking it wont upgrade because it thinks theres too many required components missing plus it will fail in more ways you could imagine or that I could explain.

It might not be practical for you todo a clean install but the truth is in the writing and licence agreement...there is no way to trick or make it upgrade from enterprise to ultimate, you have to clean install.
 

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Hello dmex,

Tks for your contribution, although hardly useful.
It's not upgrading for the reasons I mentioned, nothing to do with yr assumptions. The fact that M$ wants to force me to do a clean re-install of the Ultimate version iso of allowing me to upgade from Enterprise to the Ultimate, is beyond words and utterly rediculous!

Regards,
Boudewijn
 

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Boudewijn said:
Hello dmex,

Tks for your contribution, although hardly useful.
It's not upgrading for the reasons I mentioned, nothing to do with yr assumptions. The fact that M$ wants to force me to do a clean re-install of the Ultimate version iso of allowing me to upgade from Enterprise to the Ultimate, is beyond words and utterly rediculous!

Regards,
Boudewijn
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If I knew there was a way you would be hearing it by now, I have checked many times for upgrade procedures but Enterprise is the Ultimate version without the consumer programs/extensions...

Enterprise uses Volume Licencing while Vista uses Activation and its technically impossible to remove/upgrade/replace the activation methods being used by the current OS because they are embedded into every last different Windows component hence why you have to clean install ...

There are many ways you can backup your data quite easily and just move to another OS but if it was going to be a big deal for you to move from Enterprise to Ultimate maybe you should have read the Licence Agreement before accepting the Conditions of Use and just used Ultimate first.

You might not like hearing the truth but I dont know what else I can say...:geek:

Steven
 

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dmex said:
there is no way to trick or make it upgrade from enterprise to ultimate, you have to clean install.
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Yes there is, but the problem is that Boudewijn installed Enterprise with SP1, therefore he could not obviously uninstall SP1 ;)
The fact is, this situation is ridiculous, just changing the key and perform an activation would normally do the job. This is mainly why i purchased a multi-license Ultimate, but they have been kind enough to send me recently the DVDs with SP1
 

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Hello Sid/Steven,

Tks for yr comments. As regards Stevens' remarks, I would like to note that the Vista Enterprise came as apart of my VL agreement with SA. I never deliberatedly asked for the Enterprie version

I repeat my point that it is ridiculous and beyond words that M$ forces its clients to install a clean version, with all the consequences of re-installing the applications. Whose interests are being served here? Certainly not mine!

Under my VL agreement I am smply entitled to the Ultimate version and M$ is happy enough to sell me an Ultimate version, . Yet they insist on frustrating and making life difficult for me for no valid reason whatsoever!

Anyway, I am confident that I will be succesfull in the end. I know where the problem lies, its just a matter of time. The alternative of a clean Ultimate install, plus re-installing all applications plus restoring data is simply too time-consuming.

Regards,
Boudewijn
 

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Boudewijn said:
I repeat my point that it is ridiculous and beyond words that M$ forces its clients to install a clean version, with all the consequences of re-installing the applications. Whose interests are being served here? Certainly not mine!
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I dont disagree with that at all, everyone should be free to swap/change any version they would like to use at anytime and its completely ridiculous the way they have forced the upgrade methods...If you do find a way let us know so we can help others thst might have the same problem...

It might have has something todo with vlite slipstream not properly changing version numbers after integration?
 

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I do disagree with it - if you are in an enterprise environment and install an environment class OS, then if you move to the private sector you should not be allowed to 'upgrade' that machine in the first place. Enterprise class machines ***should*** be formatted every time when being removed from the enterprise environment. I don't see M$ as having *any* obligation to providing an easy manner of 'upgrading' from an enterprise version (read: Not available to the general public) of their OS to Ultimate (read: available to the general public) at all.

Sorry if this chaps you, but honestly, just because *you* have access to legitimate enterprise OS doesn't make it any different for you - Ultimate is targeted more toward individuals rather than businesses, whereas Business and especially Enterprise are targeted to businesses.

However, since you have a legitimate Ultimate license (as do I) I wonder if you can request a Ultimate with SP1 integrated disc? it would sure make my life easier - I have had to install and then upgrade to SP1 every time.

Oh, if you have an MSDN sub you can download Ultimate SP1 also. That might help.
 

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Johngalt,
Hello, what an astonishing remark. I am not "moving to the private sector", as you seem to think. As I said in my original post, life is more than work, and apart from using my computer for work purposes, I would like to use it for e.g. mce as well.

The problem is not the difference between the enterprise and Ultimate. The problem is version related as i have already said before.
My Vlite SP1 splistreamed Ultimate disk is 'older' than my current 'non-Vlited, Enterprise Vista/SP1 (MS$ integrated version), hence the refusal to upgrade.

Regards,
Boudewijn
 

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