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| | is winfs really dead? i dont think so i have not heard any thing official from microsoft. i think this is just a rumor. |
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| | RE: is winfs really dead? i dont think so "prasanth" wrote: > i have not heard any thing official from microsoft. i think this is just a > rumor. The blog entry is linked from http://msdn.microsoft.com/data/ref/winfs/ How official would you like it? |
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| | Re: is winfs really dead? i dont think so Hello! "prasanth" <prasanth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9EAE7CCF-EDA5-4532-9E8D-6721096509B6@microsoft.com... >i have not heard any thing official from microsoft. i think this is just a > rumor. http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006...ed-internally/ Quote: Shishir Mehrotra of the WinFS team wrote me and other bloggers who are talking about this internally and said my theory is wrong and that WinFS hasn't died at all, but is actually being rolled into SQL Server and a new project that's under development. |
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| | Re: is winfs really dead? i dont think so WinFS is dead was supposed to be a relational filesystem for desktops and then servers, and since it is no longer included in Vista or being continued as a stand-alone product, it is dead. Rolling some of the technologies into the next SQL Server doesn't change that. As someone on Digg said, if they cancelled Vista and rolled the changes into XP as another service pack, you wouldn't start calling XP Vista. You would say that Vista is dead and XP was on SP3. "roman modic" wrote: > Hello! > > "prasanth" <prasanth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9EAE7CCF-EDA5-4532-9E8D-6721096509B6@microsoft.com... > >i have not heard any thing official from microsoft. i think this is just a > > rumor. > > http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006...ed-internally/ > Quote: > Shishir Mehrotra of the WinFS team wrote me and other bloggers who are talking about this internally and said my theory is wrong and > that WinFS hasn't died at all, but is actually being rolled into SQL Server and a new project that's under development. > > Roman > > > |
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| | Re: is winfs really dead? i dont think so Hello! "Aaron Sanders" <AaronSanders@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:EB90D2F2-2613-4C83-A639-1BA1263C5591@microsoft.com... > WinFS is dead was supposed to be a relational filesystem for desktops and > then servers, and since it is no longer included in Vista or being continued > as a stand-alone product, it is dead. Rolling some of the technologies into > the next SQL Server doesn't change that. As someone on Digg said, if they > cancelled Vista and rolled the changes into XP as another service pack, you > wouldn't start calling XP Vista. You would say that Vista is dead and XP was > on SP3. > So this newsgroup is dead, too ... ![]() http://www.trimmail.com/news/elsewhe...1151350089.25/ Quote: QC: It's been nearly a year since I wrote my entry about WinFS Beta1, but rest assured, we have been working furiously since then. Translation: I keep forgetting to announce that we've figured out how to kill WinFS. [quote - comment #44 by Karim] The light flickered, went out, plunging the room into inky darkness. Suddenly, a shot rang out. The lights came back on. WinFS was in the middle of the room, lying face down in a pool of its own blood. A woman screamed. The murmuring crowd instinctively recoiled in horror, backing away from the corpse. The double doors flew open. A man strode into the room, and locked the doors behind him. "I must ask everyone to remain the room," he exclaimed. "Someone here has committed a murder." "Who the f-k are you?" asked Tetra. "My name is Inspector Scoble," he said, doffing his deerstalker hat. With his other hand, he lifted a Meerschaum pipe to his lips, and puffed vigorously. "Surely I'm not a suspect," Cody said. "I don't even use Windows. I'm a Linux troll!" "You might have had the motive, but I do not consider you a suspect," Scoble said. "I believe. THE WEB killed WinFS." A weighty silence hung in the air. "That is the stupidest f-king g-damned thing I've ever heard in my f-king life," replied Tetra. "You've said some amazingly stupid bulls-t, but that just takes the f-king cake." Scoble lit a wooden match and relighted his pipe. "It sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays," he said. "Your hypothesis is nothing but wild speculation," said Christopher Coulter. "I bet all the other Police Inspectors think you're a retard." "The web couldn't have killed WinFS," said Brian Shapiro. "It was a trendy thing to say a few years back - the Web killed this, the Web killed that - but the reality is that desktop file systems are still with us today." "WinFS wasn't a file system," said a pedant in the back. Dare Obasanjo crossed the room to a crystal decanter of spirits, uncorked it, and poured a crystal tumbler to the rim. "WinFS had a lot of. shall we say. 'health issues.'" He raised the tumbler to his lips and sipped. The crowd stared at him. "Not cryptic enough?" asked Dare, taking another sip. "Saying the Web killed WinFS is just stupid," said John Welsh. "It's something you'd expect from Inspector Clouseau." A small, wet cough emanated from the body on the floor. The crowd gasped. WinFS stirred. "I. I. can't believe you're all so angry at Inspector Scoble and his theory. instead of being angry at. the one who pulled the trigger." Scoble sprang to the center of the room, and knelt next to WinFS. "Who shot you, WinFS? Who pulled the trigger?" WinFS made an effort to speak, but could only murmur. Scoble leaned in closely, placing his ear next to the whispered words. "I see," Scoble said to WinFS. "Well why don't your developers just put that on their blogs? Why the mystery?" WinFS coughed, a bright red sputter of arterial blood appearing on its lips. and smiled. The smile was frozen on its face, as the WinFS process terminated. Shishir Mehrotra stepped forward and raised his hands delicately. "Do not think of this as the death of WinFS," he said to the crowd. "For this is merely part of the coding cycle. No code ever truly dies. It merely appears in another form." A woman sobbed quietly. "The soul of WinFS will appear in other products," Shishir continued. "One day, you may see a database, or an application, or a tree structure, its leaves and nodes glittering in its memory space, and you will know: truly, that is the soul of WinFS, reborn into another product experience, part of the greater Data Platform Vision." The crowd pondered his words. "That is the biggest f-king piece of bulls-t I've ever f-king heard in my whole f-king life," said Tetra. Scoble grinned wryly and puffed on his pipe. [/quote - Comment by Karim - June 26, 2006 @ 9:28 am] Cheers, Roman |
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| | Re: is winfs really dead? i dont think so roman modic wrote: > "That is the biggest f-king piece of bulls-t I've ever f-king heard in > my whole f-king life," said Tetra. > > Scoble grinned wryly and puffed on his pipe. LOL! Thank you for posting, that was priceless! |
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| | Re: is winfs really dead? i dont think so roman modic wrote: > http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006...ed-internally/ > Quote: > Shishir Mehrotra of the WinFS team wrote me and other bloggers who are talking about this internally and said my theory is wrong and > that WinFS hasn't died at all, but is actually being rolled into SQL Server and a new project that's under development. > This is /so/ silly. Having the functionality built into the operating system, or requiring the user to buy SQL Server -- isn't that a slight change of paradigm? WinFS, as it was planned, could have been such a catalyst for /great/ interoperative applications. When it's limited to SQL Server users, the market and the possibilities are so much more limited. WinFS, as a concept, is dead. I really wished they had at least the decency to say so. This (quote) "super-excited" announcement of Quentin Clark's only adds insult to injury. |
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| | Re: is winfs really dead? i dont think so Eberhard Schefold wrote: > This is /so/ silly. Having the functionality built into the operating > system, or requiring the user to buy SQL Server -- isn't that a slight > change of paradigm? WinFS, as it was planned, could have been such a > catalyst for /great/ interoperative applications. When it's limited to > SQL Server users, the market and the possibilities are so much more > limited. Sorry for the rant, but I have to add this: This decision is /so/ wrong strategically. WinFS was the only technology left with the potential to let Windows really stand up from the competition -- which is getting tighter and tighter every year. Getting WinFS to work on the OS would have meant such a boost for interoperative application development, and such a substantial benefit for the user in everything he does with his computer. And it does not help to put some of the functionality into this application and something into that ... This is a functionality that the /OS/ must provide for every user and every application, if we want to realize the full potential. What will make the difference between Windows and any other OS now? I can't see it. I think with these shortsighted decisions they will get all depending on the platform deep into trouble. |
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| | Re: is winfs really dead? i dont think so I agree, it's really a shame. If they could have done it right, it would have been a great development. Unfortunetly, now this makes Vista reak a lot like Windows 98SE. Instead of charging for a "new" product, how about releasing a new service pack for XP with all of the proposed Vista changes? I too was a little put off by the "announcement". Instead of just saying what was happening, they tried to make it sound like they had made a major breakthrough. WinFS was gorwing by such great leaps and bounds that it just couldn't be released on its own and had to be upsold to a richer environment. Everyone saw through that. Something has happened and it just isn't working out. Just say that. I find it interesting though that it's moving to SQL Server, with a new version of Office, a new SharePoint with all of the CMS functionality built right into it. Looks like they're moving us towards centralized document management, which makes a lot of sense for corporations, but not so much for home users. Because of TechNet Plus, I could install Windows 2003, SQL Server ans SharePoint at home to store my documents, but why would I really want to? "Eberhard Schefold" wrote: > roman modic wrote: > > > http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006...ed-internally/ > > Quote: > > Shishir Mehrotra of the WinFS team wrote me and other bloggers who are talking about this internally and said my theory is wrong and > > that WinFS hasn't died at all, but is actually being rolled into SQL Server and a new project that's under development. > > > > This is /so/ silly. Having the functionality built into the operating > system, or requiring the user to buy SQL Server -- isn't that a slight > change of paradigm? WinFS, as it was planned, could have been such a > catalyst for /great/ interoperative applications. When it's limited to > SQL Server users, the market and the possibilities are so much more limited. > > WinFS, as a concept, is dead. I really wished they had at least the > decency to say so. This (quote) "super-excited" announcement of Quentin > Clark's only adds insult to injury. > |
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| | Re: is winfs really dead? i dont think so always can think of this as "death of SQL Server as we know it" |
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