is winfs really dead? i dont think so

i have not heard any thing official from microsoft. i think this is just a
rumor.

"prasanth" wrote:

> i have not heard any thing official from microsoft. i think this is just a
> rumor.

The blog entry is linked from http://msdn.microsoft.com/data/ref/winfs/

How official would you like it?

Hello!

"prasanth" <prasanth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9EAE7CCF-EDA5-4532-9E8D-6721096509B6@microsoft.com...
>i have not heard any thing official from microsoft. i think this is just a
> rumor.

http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006...ed-internally/
Roman

WinFS is dead was supposed to be a relational filesystem for desktops and
then servers, and since it is no longer included in Vista or being continued
as a stand-alone product, it is dead. Rolling some of the technologies into
the next SQL Server doesn't change that. As someone on Digg said, if they
cancelled Vista and rolled the changes into XP as another service pack, you
wouldn't start calling XP Vista. You would say that Vista is dead and XP was
on SP3.

"roman modic" wrote:

> Hello!
>
> "prasanth" <prasanth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9EAE7CCF-EDA5-4532-9E8D-6721096509B6@microsoft.com...
> >i have not heard any thing official from microsoft. i think this is just a
> > rumor.
>
> http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006...ed-internally/
>

	Quote:
	> Shishir Mehrotra of the WinFS team wrote me and other bloggers who are talking about this internally and said my theory is wrong and > that WinFS hasn't died at all, but is actually being rolled into SQL Server and a new project that's under development. >

>
> Roman
>
>
>

Hello!

"Aaron Sanders" <AaronSanders@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:EB90D2F2-2613-4C83-A639-1BA1263C5591@microsoft.com...
> WinFS is dead was supposed to be a relational filesystem for desktops and
> then servers, and since it is no longer included in Vista or being continued
> as a stand-alone product, it is dead. Rolling some of the technologies into
> the next SQL Server doesn't change that. As someone on Digg said, if they
> cancelled Vista and rolled the changes into XP as another service pack, you
> wouldn't start calling XP Vista. You would say that Vista is dead and XP was
> on SP3.
>

So this newsgroup is dead, too ...

http://www.trimmail.com/news/elsewhe...1151350089.25/
http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006...ed-internally/
[quote - comment #44 by Karim]
The light flickered, went out, plunging the room into
inky darkness.

Suddenly, a shot rang out.

The lights came back on.

WinFS was in the middle of the room, lying face down
in a pool of its own blood.

A woman screamed. The murmuring crowd instinctively
recoiled in horror, backing away from the corpse.

The double doors flew open. A man strode into the room,
and locked the doors behind him. "I must ask everyone
to remain the room," he exclaimed. "Someone here has
committed a murder."

"Who the f-k are you?" asked Tetra.

"My name is Inspector Scoble," he said, doffing his
deerstalker hat. With his other hand, he lifted a
Meerschaum pipe to his lips, and puffed vigorously.

"Surely I'm not a suspect," Cody said. "I don't even
use Windows. I'm a Linux troll!"

"You might have had the motive, but I do not consider
you a suspect," Scoble said. "I believe. THE WEB killed
WinFS."

A weighty silence hung in the air.

"That is the stupidest f-king g-damned thing I've ever
heard in my f-king life," replied Tetra. "You've said some
amazingly stupid bulls-t, but that just takes the f-king cake."

Scoble lit a wooden match and relighted his pipe. "It
sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays," he said.

"Your hypothesis is nothing but wild speculation," said
Christopher Coulter. "I bet all the other Police Inspectors
think you're a retard."

"The web couldn't have killed WinFS," said Brian Shapiro.
"It was a trendy thing to say a few years back - the Web
killed this, the Web killed that - but the reality is that
desktop file systems are still with us today."

"WinFS wasn't a file system," said a pedant in the back.

Dare Obasanjo crossed the room to a crystal decanter of
spirits, uncorked it, and poured a crystal tumbler to the rim.
"WinFS had a lot of. shall we say. 'health issues.'" He
raised the tumbler to his lips and sipped.

The crowd stared at him.

"Not cryptic enough?" asked Dare, taking another sip.

"Saying the Web killed WinFS is just stupid," said John Welsh.
"It's something you'd expect from Inspector Clouseau."

A small, wet cough emanated from the body on the floor.
The crowd gasped. WinFS stirred.

"I. I. can't believe you're all so angry at Inspector Scoble
and his theory. instead of being angry at. the one who
pulled the trigger."

Scoble sprang to the center of the room, and knelt next to
WinFS. "Who shot you, WinFS? Who pulled the trigger?"

WinFS made an effort to speak, but could only murmur.

Scoble leaned in closely, placing his ear next to the whispered
words.

"I see," Scoble said to WinFS. "Well why don't your
developers just put that on their blogs? Why the mystery?"

WinFS coughed, a bright red sputter of arterial blood appearing
on its lips. and smiled.

The smile was frozen on its face, as the WinFS process terminated.

Shishir Mehrotra stepped forward and raised his hands delicately.
"Do not think of this as the death of WinFS," he said to the crowd.
"For this is merely part of the coding cycle. No code ever truly dies.
It merely appears in another form."

A woman sobbed quietly.

"The soul of WinFS will appear in other products," Shishir
continued. "One day, you may see a database, or an application,
or a tree structure, its leaves and nodes glittering in its memory
space, and you will know: truly, that is the soul of WinFS, reborn
into another product experience, part of the greater Data Platform
Vision."

The crowd pondered his words.

"That is the biggest f-king piece of bulls-t I've ever f-king heard in
my whole f-king life," said Tetra.

Scoble grinned wryly and puffed on his pipe.

[/quote - Comment by Karim - June 26, 2006 @ 9:28 am]


Cheers, Roman

roman modic wrote:

> "That is the biggest f-king piece of bulls-t I've ever f-king heard in
> my whole f-king life," said Tetra.
>
> Scoble grinned wryly and puffed on his pipe.

LOL! Thank you for posting, that was priceless!

roman modic wrote:

> http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006...ed-internally/
>

	Quote:
	> Shishir Mehrotra of the WinFS team wrote me and other bloggers who are talking about this internally and said my theory is wrong and > that WinFS hasn't died at all, but is actually being rolled into SQL Server and a new project that's under development. >

This is /so/ silly. Having the functionality built into the operating
system, or requiring the user to buy SQL Server -- isn't that a slight
change of paradigm? WinFS, as it was planned, could have been such a
catalyst for /great/ interoperative applications. When it's limited to
SQL Server users, the market and the possibilities are so much more limited.

WinFS, as a concept, is dead. I really wished they had at least the
decency to say so. This (quote) "super-excited" announcement of Quentin
Clark's only adds insult to injury.

Eberhard Schefold wrote:

> This is /so/ silly. Having the functionality built into the operating
> system, or requiring the user to buy SQL Server -- isn't that a slight
> change of paradigm? WinFS, as it was planned, could have been such a
> catalyst for /great/ interoperative applications. When it's limited to
> SQL Server users, the market and the possibilities are so much more
> limited.

Sorry for the rant, but I have to add this:

This decision is /so/ wrong strategically. WinFS was the only technology
left with the potential to let Windows really stand up from the
competition -- which is getting tighter and tighter every year. Getting
WinFS to work on the OS would have meant such a boost for interoperative
application development, and such a substantial benefit for the user in
everything he does with his computer. And it does not help to put some
of the functionality into this application and something into that ...
This is a functionality that the /OS/ must provide for every user and
every application, if we want to realize the full potential.

What will make the difference between Windows and any other OS now? I
can't see it. I think with these shortsighted decisions they will get
all depending on the platform deep into trouble.

I agree, it's really a shame. If they could have done it right, it would have
been a great development. Unfortunetly, now this makes Vista reak a lot like
Windows 98SE. Instead of charging for a "new" product, how about releasing a
new service pack for XP with all of the proposed Vista changes?

I too was a little put off by the "announcement". Instead of just saying
what was happening, they tried to make it sound like they had made a major
breakthrough. WinFS was gorwing by such great leaps and bounds that it just
couldn't be released on its own and had to be upsold to a richer environment.
Everyone saw through that. Something has happened and it just isn't working
out. Just say that. I find it interesting though that it's moving to SQL
Server, with a new version of Office, a new SharePoint with all of the CMS
functionality built right into it. Looks like they're moving us towards
centralized document management, which makes a lot of sense for corporations,
but not so much for home users. Because of TechNet Plus, I could install
Windows 2003, SQL Server ans SharePoint at home to store my documents, but
why would I really want to?

"Eberhard Schefold" wrote:

> roman modic wrote:
>
> > http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006...ed-internally/
> >

	Quote:
	> > Shishir Mehrotra of the WinFS team wrote me and other bloggers who are talking about this internally and said my theory is wrong and > > that WinFS hasn't died at all, but is actually being rolled into SQL Server and a new project that's under development. > >

>
> This is /so/ silly. Having the functionality built into the operating
> system, or requiring the user to buy SQL Server -- isn't that a slight
> change of paradigm? WinFS, as it was planned, could have been such a
> catalyst for /great/ interoperative applications. When it's limited to
> SQL Server users, the market and the possibilities are so much more limited.
>
> WinFS, as a concept, is dead. I really wished they had at least the
> decency to say so. This (quote) "super-excited" announcement of Quentin
> Clark's only adds insult to injury.
>

always can think of this as

"death of SQL Server as we know it"