Ultimate 32 bit or 64 bit purchase question

Win95

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I am wondering what version of Vista Ultimate I should purchase.

I assume that the Ultimate is better than the Premium that I have installed on another PC?

I want to install it on a home PC with a full installation.

I was also wondering if there is any advantage or limitations if I purchased a full OEM vs a full retail version?

I used to have XP OEM version on a PC and it had a limit of five reloads before you had to contact Microsoft to ask for another activation beyond that.

Thank you for any inputs about this.
 

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If you are running 4GB RAM or more then you want to get X64, if not go with X86. But that is really up to you. If you plan on upgrading to 4GB RAM, then go with X64.

I do not think there is any difference between the retail and OEM versions. The only real difference I know of is that the OEM must come with some sort of hardware and the retail version just comes with a CD and manual.
 

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Hello Win95, Ultimate is basically the same system as home premium with a few addons that you may or may not need such as Bit-locker and Ultimate Extras. Most, if not all of the Extras are not necessary, I don't know of too many people who use Bit-Locker.

A comparison of the various Vista Versions is here :- Windows Vista: Versions compared - Operating Systems Software
 

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32 vs. 64: 64 bit is faster and has better security as well as more memory

home vs. ultimate: if virtualPC is useful get ultimate

oem vs retail: you will probably not have too many upgrades before windows 7 comes out so I would save the money and go with oem
 

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If you are running 4GB RAM or more then you want to get X64, if not go with X86. But that is really up to you. If you plan on upgrading to 4GB RAM, then go with X64.

+1

As Norm pointed out, the Ultimate extras aren't really necessary (I don't use them, except for the extra sounds, which is no big deal at all;) ) and as Geezer mentioned, OEM is cheaper. Split the difference and go for an OEM Ultimate ;)
 

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Hi Win95, and welcome to the Vista Forums :party:

AFAIK the retail version of ultimate comes with Both 32 and 64 Bit DVD's and even if they don't MS will supply a 64 bit upgrade to 32bit retail for the cost of shipping only (about $10)

The OEM version is designed to be locked to a particular set of hardware and as such is not transferable between PC's, once installed, whereas the retail licence is transferable ( only one working install 32 or 64 bit at a time, of course ) ie may be un-installed and re-installed on another PC

Ultimate is a combination of the features of Vista Home Premium and Vista Business, plus a few Ultimate Extras, so if you are using at home with no need to connect to a business network (domain), remote access, etc then the Home premium is probably sufficient

just for your info :D
 

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Thanks very much for the comments and suggestions.

I did order an Ultimate edition with SP1, for less than 170, with both the 32bit and 64bit DVDs. I won't be doing anything right away, the shipment is in process, but I do want to take my time and plan this out as best as I can before I make the change.

I had heard that if one uses a 64bit installation that it would better utilize the memory than the Premium 32 bit installation would. I am not sure if that is correct or not, but I do have 4gb 800mhz memory in this PC, and I want to use every bit of those resources.

I also heard that the 64bit edition would be harder to get all the hardware working properly because of the 64bit 'driver's' not being fully available? Again, I am not sure of this assumption either.

This will be a neat project for me to pursue as I do have some limited PC knowledge with some builds and XP installs to base this venture upon.

I have my own opinions about Vista, some good some not so good, and I see that Microsoft has one, as well vis-a-vis Windows 7 coming in 2010 or sooner.

Again, thanks for the information. This is a neat and courteous forum.
 

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I also heard that the 64bit edition would be harder to get all the hardware working properly because of the 64bit 'driver's' not being fully available? Again, I am not sure of this assumption either.

I have a 16 year old HP LaserJet4M that I plugged in via a USB to Serial cable, and x64 Vista recognized the printer without installing a single thing.

YMMV, but I'd say the driver issue is becoming close to non existent, though you will probably find hardware that simply won't get a 64 bit driver. Generally it's hardware that is long in the tooth anyway.
 

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Hi Win95

Just one thing when you do get to the install if you install x64 take some of your ram out if possible. many users have had problems installing with more than 2Gbyte installed.

once the install is over re-install the other ram and it will work without problems, just tends to mess with the install :confused:
 

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Hello barman58, that is really good advice. It surprises me how many installations encounter problems just by not doing that.
 

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[FONT=&quot]64-bit is mega-fast with 64-bit apps as well as lets you upgrade > 4GB TOTAL RAM (system RAM + graphics card + other devices). 64-bit is more secure from viruses. 64-bit also requires “MS approved” (a.k.a. digitally signed) drivers so this “might” help with hardware compatibility, etc. This is MS’s way of trying to get everyone to “move on” if they are able to.
Differences and Advantages Between 32-bit (x86) VS 64-bit (x64) Windows Vista » My Digital Life

But if you have really old programs, they might not work (esp. with 64-bit version). Google “Vista compatibility list”. Knowing a bit about computers helps getting the old problematic ones to work (Internet has a lot of solutions that smart people share).

Ultimate is the best but if you don’t think you need anything that fancy, Home Premium is good too. Get a good video card if you want Aero graphics (at least 256MB 128-bit in the newer cards)… better if you can afford. Vista technology distributes more graphics processing to the video card and relieves the CPU for other things. This is KEY to Vista performance…a good video card will make Vista work well.

Vista uses extra RAM to store commonly used files in a new activity known as “disk caching” (SuperFetch). The computer uses artificial intelligence to determine which files will be used most and copies it to RAM (where it is much faster than accessing your hard disk). This includes components of the programs you use on a regular basis. When you need more RAM for programs you launch, etc. the computer purges the “least likely used” files from RAM to make room for the new program. So in theory, the more RAM (for disk cache) you have, the faster your computer will operate. This can also be augmented (to a lesser effect) with a flash drive/card with a technology called ReadyBoost. Just stick it in and select “Speed up my system” and leave it there. Google “AnandTech ReadyBoost Performance” for basic test examples.

Understanding how SuperFetch uses RAM to enhance system performance…
Understand how SuperFetch uses RAM to enhance system performance | Microsoft Windows | TechRepublic.com

High RAM will be especially helpful for those people who like to leave all their windows open and use Vista’s “S3 sleep mode” (2 watts) so they can resume where they left off almost immediately after they turn their computers on. Your apps are pre-opened where you left them and your RAM cache is loaded too, just as if you just walked away and came back.

Vista Home Premium and Ultimate has Windows Media Center, where with a TV card/USB adapter (if not integrated) of the type that fits your TV/Cable, acts similar to TiVo. You can play your videos, schedule recordings, etc. You can get a wireless keyboard / mouse or gyro-mouse and it will be sort of like remote control. If you do this, get a big Hard Disk.

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]If this is any indication that 64-bit is the wave of the future and 32-bit will be “obsolete”…

There appears to be a shift taking place in the PC industry: the move from 32-bit to 64-bit PCs. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We've been tracking the change by looking at the percentage of 64-bit PCs connecting to Windows Update, and have seen a dramatic increase in recent months. The installed base of 64-bit Windows Vista PCs, as a percentage of all Windows Vista systems, has more than tripled in the U.S. in the last three months, while worldwide adoption has more than doubled during the same period. Another view shows that 20% of new Windows Vista PCs in the U.S. connecting to Windows Update in June were 64-bit PCs, up from just 3% in March. Put more simply, usage of 64-bit Windows Vista is growing much more rapidly than 32-bit. Based on current trends, this growth will accelerate as the retail channel shifts to supplying a rapidly increasing assortment of 64-bit desktops and laptops… PC Accelerators built into Windows Vista, such as Windows SuperFetch, improve performance by keeping commonly used programs in memory, even when the program is closed. More memory capacity on 64-bit PCs allows SuperFetch to do its job more efficiently.
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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2008/07/30/windows-vista-64-bit-today.aspx[/FONT][/FONT]

Some interesting 64-bit info:
...all 64-bit versions of Microsoft operating systems currently impose a 16 TB limit on address space and allow no more than 128 GB of physical memory due to the impracticality of having 16 TB of RAM. Processes created on Windows Vista x64 Edition are allotted 8 TB in virtual memory for user processes and 8 TB for kernel processes to create a virtual memory of 16 TB.
http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/5709


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[/FONT] Adobe Photoshop® Extended and Acrobat® Pro natively support 64-bit editions of Windows Vista. Adobe Premiere® Pro, After Effects®, Soundbooth®, Encore®, and Adobe OnLocation™ are certified on 64-bit Windows Vista.[FONT=&quot]
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Adobe - Adobe Creative Suite 4 Master Collection: System requirements

Adobe CS4 will be 64-bit, but only on Windows[FONT=&quot]
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BetaNews | Adobe CS4 will be 64-bit, but only on Windows


Adobe CS4 is 64-bit only on Vista. OSX have to wait for CS5 or something like that when they catch up.
To put things in perspective, this is what 64-bit does...

What are the advantages of 64-bit computing?

In early testing of 64-bit support in Photoshop for Windows®, overall performance gains ranged from 8% to 12%. Those who work with extremely large files may realize noticeably greater gains in performance, in some cases as dramatic as ten times the previous speed. This is because 64-bit applications can address larger amounts of memory and thus result in less file swapping — one of the biggest factors that can affect data processing speed.
Adobe Photoshop CS4: FAQ
 

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