Solved System restore doesn`t keep store points for long

cosmicpeace

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My ASUS laptop is nearly a year old & running Vista home premium, but it`s never kept restore points for longer than two or three days.
I recently started the Volulme Shadow copy, which was stopped, & set it to manual; later I tried automatic, but none of that seems to work. Still no restore points kept for longer than three days.
I`m not dual booting with windows XP, & this is the amount of space allocated to restore points:
Used shadow copy storage space: 924.293 MB
Allocated shadow copy storage space: 1.172 GB
Maximum shadow copy storage space: 4.434 GB

I don`t use diskeeper defragmenting tool at all, I use the disk clean up & defragmenter that came with windows vista. I do have Ccleaner, which has a disk cleaner & registry cleaner. I practically don`t use the registry cleaner, & sometimes I use the disk cleaner, but I haven`t used it at all for the last couple of months, & the problem persists. I use as well: Spybot-search & destroy; Ad-aware & my antivirus, which is Mc Afee, does defragment & clean up on a schedule.
I used to have the Norton Antivirus for three months last year, but not anymore, but I realized yesterday that I still haven`t uninstall the Symantec liveUpdate. I don`t have any other Symantec products running on my laptop.

I hope this is all the information, I`ve been troubleshooting this problem for months, & still no luck!!!
THANKS!!!
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Z53E series
    CPU
    DUO T8100
    Motherboard
    M/B Version: F3E
    Memory
    2GB
    Screen Resolution
    15.4" WXGA
    Hard Drives
    160GB
    Mouse
    Rainbow USB
    Internet Speed
    10MB
    Other Info
    MATSHI/TA DVD-RAM UJ-841S ATA device
My ASUS laptop is nearly a year old & running Vista home premium, but it`s never kept restore points for longer than two or three days.
I recently started the Volulme Shadow copy, which was stopped, & set it to manual; later I tried automatic, but none of that seems to work. Still no restore points kept for longer than three days.
I`m not dual booting with windows XP, & this is the amount of space allocated to restore points:
Used shadow copy storage space: 924.293 MB
Allocated shadow copy storage space: 1.172 GB
Maximum shadow copy storage space: 4.434 GB

I don`t use diskeeper defragmenting tool at all, I use the disk clean up & defragmenter that came with windows vista. I do have Ccleaner, which has a disk cleaner & registry cleaner. I practically don`t use the registry cleaner, & sometimes I use the disk cleaner, but I haven`t used it at all for the last couple of months, & the problem persists. I use as well: Spybot-search & destroy; Ad-aware & my antivirus, which is Mc Afee, does defragment & clean up on a schedule.
I used to have the Norton Antivirus for three months last year, but not anymore, but I realized yesterday that I still haven`t uninstall the Symantec liveUpdate. I don`t have any other Symantec products running on my laptop.

I hope this is all the information, I`ve been troubleshooting this problem for months, & still no luck!!!
THANKS!!!

I would suggest to not use any of the 3rd party tools for Defragging... they have been known to cause the loss of the System Restore points (you can look online at the reasoning behing this.... just use the built in Windows Vista Defragger). I don't know if CCleaner is that much of a problem for causing this.... I don't think I have any problem with it.

Just use the Windows Defragger and see if that cures the problem.....
 

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My ASUS laptop is nearly a year old & running Vista home premium, but it`s never kept restore points for longer than two or three days.
I recently started the Volulme Shadow copy, which was stopped, & set it to manual; later I tried automatic, but none of that seems to work. Still no restore points kept for longer than three days.
I`m not dual booting with windows XP, & this is the amount of space allocated to restore points:
Used shadow copy storage space: 924.293 MB
Allocated shadow copy storage space: 1.172 GB
Maximum shadow copy storage space: 4.434 GB

I don`t use diskeeper defragmenting tool at all, I use the disk clean up & defragmenter that came with windows vista. I do have Ccleaner, which has a disk cleaner & registry cleaner. I practically don`t use the registry cleaner, & sometimes I use the disk cleaner, but I haven`t used it at all for the last couple of months, & the problem persists. I use as well: Spybot-search & destroy; Ad-aware & my antivirus, which is Mc Afee, does defragment & clean up on a schedule.
I used to have the Norton Antivirus for three months last year, but not anymore, but I realized yesterday that I still haven`t uninstall the Symantec liveUpdate. I don`t have any other Symantec products running on my laptop.

I hope this is all the information, I`ve been troubleshooting this problem for months, & still no luck!!!
THANKS!!!

I would suggest to not use any of the 3rd party tools for Defragging... they have been known to cause the loss of the System Restore points (you can look online at the reasoning behing this.... just use the built in Windows Vista Defragger). I don't know if CCleaner is that much of a problem for causing this.... I don't think I have any problem with it.

Just use the Windows Defragger and see if that cures the problem.....

So basically, I should switch off my Mc Avee Defragging & just use windows Vista defragger all on his own. I don`t use Ccleaner for defragging, only as a registry cleaner once a year, if that. What about my Mc Avee diskcleaning, should I switch that off as well?
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Z53E series
    CPU
    DUO T8100
    Motherboard
    M/B Version: F3E
    Memory
    2GB
    Screen Resolution
    15.4" WXGA
    Hard Drives
    160GB
    Mouse
    Rainbow USB
    Internet Speed
    10MB
    Other Info
    MATSHI/TA DVD-RAM UJ-841S ATA device
My ASUS laptop is nearly a year old & running Vista home premium, but it`s never kept restore points for longer than two or three days.
I recently started the Volulme Shadow copy, which was stopped, & set it to manual; later I tried automatic, but none of that seems to work. Still no restore points kept for longer than three days.
I`m not dual booting with windows XP, & this is the amount of space allocated to restore points:
Used shadow copy storage space: 924.293 MB
Allocated shadow copy storage space: 1.172 GB
Maximum shadow copy storage space: 4.434 GB

I don`t use diskeeper defragmenting tool at all, I use the disk clean up & defragmenter that came with windows vista. I do have Ccleaner, which has a disk cleaner & registry cleaner. I practically don`t use the registry cleaner, & sometimes I use the disk cleaner, but I haven`t used it at all for the last couple of months, & the problem persists. I use as well: Spybot-search & destroy; Ad-aware & my antivirus, which is Mc Afee, does defragment & clean up on a schedule.
I used to have the Norton Antivirus for three months last year, but not anymore, but I realized yesterday that I still haven`t uninstall the Symantec liveUpdate. I don`t have any other Symantec products running on my laptop.

I hope this is all the information, I`ve been troubleshooting this problem for months, & still no luck!!!
THANKS!!!

I would suggest to not use any of the 3rd party tools for Defragging... they have been known to cause the loss of the System Restore points (you can look online at the reasoning behing this.... just use the built in Windows Vista Defragger). I don't know if CCleaner is that much of a problem for causing this.... I don't think I have any problem with it.

Just use the Windows Defragger and see if that cures the problem.....

So basically, I should switch off my Mc Avee Defragging & just use windows Vista defragger all on his own. I don`t use Ccleaner for defragging, only as a registry cleaner once a year, if that. What about my Mc Avee diskcleaning, should I switch that off as well?

I would just start by turning off ALL 3rd party defraggers, and use the Windows Vista Defragger. You can continue to use the disk cleaners (CCleaner, ....).

See if that helps... if not, then stop using the 3rd party disk tools and go with the Windows tools and see if that gets your Restore Points back under control.

ps... I'd be wary of any Registry Cleaners.... one bad deletion and BOOM.... have to start all over again with the PC....
 

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I would suggest to not use any of the 3rd party tools for Defragging... they have been known to cause the loss of the System Restore points (you can look online at the reasoning behing this.... just use the built in Windows Vista Defragger). I don't know if CCleaner is that much of a problem for causing this.... I don't think I have any problem with it.

Just use the Windows Defragger and see if that cures the problem.....

So basically, I should switch off my Mc Avee Defragging & just use windows Vista defragger all on his own. I don`t use Ccleaner for defragging, only as a registry cleaner once a year, if that. What about my Mc Avee diskcleaning, should I switch that off as well?

I would just start by turning off ALL 3rd party defraggers, and use the Windows Vista Defragger. You can continue to use the disk cleaners (CCleaner, ....).

See if that helps... if not, then stop using the 3rd party disk tools and go with the Windows tools and see if that gets your Restore Points back under control.

ps... I'd be wary of any Registry Cleaners.... one bad deletion and BOOM.... have to start all over again with the PC....
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Thanks for that!!! I just turned my Mc Avee Defrag off, & left the windows one on a schedule. I don`t have any more third party running...See what happens.
I agree, actually, I am really wary of Registry cleaners as well, since I`ve been reading a lot of mixed opinions about the subject. I haven`t used mine in a long, long while, & I`m not quite sure I wanna use it ever again...just in case. I tend to check the entries, & only clean the app data (I think it`s called), where the file names that are not in use anymore get stored, I think.
I mean, it`s mixed opinion on the subject, isn`t it? A friend of mine uses it all the time & swears by it, but then, when he has problems with his computer (& he DOES have them), he denies that is the registry cleaner. Do you know what Windows think of them?
 

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System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Z53E series
    CPU
    DUO T8100
    Motherboard
    M/B Version: F3E
    Memory
    2GB
    Screen Resolution
    15.4" WXGA
    Hard Drives
    160GB
    Mouse
    Rainbow USB
    Internet Speed
    10MB
    Other Info
    MATSHI/TA DVD-RAM UJ-841S ATA device
On my Vista Home Premium I use CCleaner (inc the free-space cleaner) and Defraggler (also from Piriform) without either affecting my System Restore points.

I had previously also lost Restore points but suspected Eraser free space cleaning or perhaps another Defragger I was using.

By the way, talking of Volume Shadow Copy have you seen this info about the free 'Shadow Explorer' for Vista Home versions?

http://www.shadowexplorer.com/
 
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On my Vista Home Premium I use CCleaner (inc the free-space cleaner) and Defraggler (also from Piriform) without either affecting my System Restore points.

I had previously also lost Restore points but suspected Eraser free space cleaning or perhaps another Defragger I was using.

By the way, talking of Volume Shadow Copy have you seen this info about the free 'Shadow Explorer' for Vista Home versions?

ShadowExplorer.com - About

Thank you! You wouldn`t know anything about Mc Avee antirvirus? it does defrag & cleaning on a schedule as well, on my computer.
 

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  • Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Z53E series
    CPU
    DUO T8100
    Motherboard
    M/B Version: F3E
    Memory
    2GB
    Screen Resolution
    15.4" WXGA
    Hard Drives
    160GB
    Mouse
    Rainbow USB
    Internet Speed
    10MB
    Other Info
    MATSHI/TA DVD-RAM UJ-841S ATA device
The defragger in McAfee SecurityCenter is actually the Windows built-in one. It merely invokes it.
The Quickclean function is basic and cleans only the basic stuff that you can clean using Windows own tools anyway, unless you tell it otherwise.
You can, if you wish, delete those tasks. Let me know if you want to.
 

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  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware ALX x58
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
The defragger in McAfee SecurityCenter is actually the Windows built-in one. It merely invokes it.
The Quickclean function is basic and cleans only the basic stuff that you can clean using Windows own tools anyway, unless you tell it otherwise.
You can, if you wish, delete those tasks. Let me know if you want to.

Hello again! Ok, so yesterday I set windows to do defrag & cleanin, cos it wasn`t set up to do it regularly, but what I`ve done is pointless, I only changed the Mc Avee setting. I set it up to defrag once a week (hope that`s not too much). Should I turn Mc Avee defrag & clean up off, then? won`t it conflict with Windows now that I got it all set up? I was just trying to see if it was Mc afee that was erasing my restore points!
Basically, I got both set up now: Windows & Mc Avee, cos I haven`t switch Mc Avee off yet (it that makes any sense)
 

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  • Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Z53E series
    CPU
    DUO T8100
    Motherboard
    M/B Version: F3E
    Memory
    2GB
    Screen Resolution
    15.4" WXGA
    Hard Drives
    160GB
    Mouse
    Rainbow USB
    Internet Speed
    10MB
    Other Info
    MATSHI/TA DVD-RAM UJ-841S ATA device
Turn off the McAfee tasks as they are unnecessary.
Double-click the taskbar icon to open Security Center
Click Advanced Options (bottom left)
Click Tools (lower left)
Click Task Scheduler "Start" (lower right)
OK any UAC prompt
Delete the tasks in there for both Quickclean and Defragmenter
Click Finish and exit.
 

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System One

  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware ALX x58
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
Turn off the McAfee tasks as they are unnecessary.
Double-click the taskbar icon to open Security Center
Click Advanced Options (bottom left)
Click Tools (lower left)
Click Task Scheduler "Start" (lower right)
OK any UAC prompt
Delete the tasks in there for both Quickclean and Defragmenter
Click Finish and exit.

I`ve just turn them off.
I was performing a manual defrag with Mc Afee, before I read your answer, & I checked the restore points before & after, & after the defrag, another restore point went missing. So, it seems to be that. Let`s see! My system restore has never worked properly, so it`ll be nice if it does. i used to have Norton antivirus before, & I heard that one plays around with your restore points as well.
Thanks a lot!!
 

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  • Manufacturer/Model
    Asus Z53E series
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    DUO T8100
    Motherboard
    M/B Version: F3E
    Memory
    2GB
    Screen Resolution
    15.4" WXGA
    Hard Drives
    160GB
    Mouse
    Rainbow USB
    Internet Speed
    10MB
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Plus Windows deletes them to make room for new ones.
 

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  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware ALX x58
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
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    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
Plus Windows deletes them to make room for new ones.

I know, but it shouldn`t be normal that I only had two restore points today, & one got erased. I only got one left now. Yesterday I had three, & the day before I had six. It shouldn`t be that way, I have a maximum shadow copy storage space of 4.434 GB.
If I had seven restore points, a few days ago, then I assume that the space allocated is at least enough for seven restore points. Why do they get deleted then?
 

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    M/B Version: F3E
    Memory
    2GB
    Screen Resolution
    15.4" WXGA
    Hard Drives
    160GB
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    Rainbow USB
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    10MB
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One would assume so. I'm no expert in that field I'm afraid.
 

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    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
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    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
One would assume so. I'm no expert in that field I'm afraid.

Really, the main problem is that I have never seen that button that says: "show restore points longer than 5 days", which people have told me that it actually exists, but I`ve never seen it in my System restore, so I can only ever restore back to the same day, or may be a day a two earlier, if I have problems, which is better than nothing, I guess :)
Anyway, thanks a lot for the help, see if switching this off does something.
 

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    M/B Version: F3E
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    2GB
    Screen Resolution
    15.4" WXGA
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    160GB
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That's not what I see in mine...and, by the way, I seem to have a shortage of restore points too.

See the attached thumbnails.
 

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  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
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    Alienware ALX x58
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    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
That's not what I see in mine...and, by the way, I seem to have a shortage of restore points too.

See the attached thumbnails.

Yeah, that`s what mine looks like! I found an article about shortage of restore points after installing Vista Service pack 1. I`m not sure it applies to this case, but I`m gonna take a look.
I`ll report back when I finish reading it.
Thanks.
 

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I have SP2 so obviously something has changed along the way.
 

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  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
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    Alienware ALX x58
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    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
I have SP2 so obviously something has changed along the way.

I have SP1, but after reading the article, I can`t see how this would apply to me. It talks about a loss of restore points after installing SP1, in a hard disk that is short of memory, but I`ve always had this problem, as long as I remember.
So, no joy there!
Anyway, today the computer has kept three restore points, form the last two days, so far.
A question Ex_Brit, why do you have SP2 & I have SP1, is it something you have control over, or windows just installs the best pack for your System (mine being Vista Home Premium)?
THanks again!
 

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    15.4" WXGA
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    160GB
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  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware ALX x58
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
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