PSU enough?

Ayson

Ayson

Member
Hi, I visit this forum often and have solved many of my problems looking at posts here. I have never posted here before and registered here only today. The reason being all of my earlier problems have been posted alredy by someone else and solved. I have always found solutions, mostly a Google search leads me here.

But now i have a problem which is common but with certain specific aspects. Here it is:

I have an Enterage Power3 400W PSU, it is a company from India and i dont think it is very reputed.

and the following config:
ASUS M2N-MX SE
AMD Athlon X2 64 4800+
2x2GB DDR2 667MHz Corsair
Sony DVD RW
Segate 160GB SATA
WD 500GB SATA
BIG GeForce 8600GT

and something more that matters for the PSU
1xCPU fan, 1xGPU fan (obvious)
4x Chasis fans
USB mouse
PS2 keyboard
Other USB devices on remaining 7 ports
Vista Home premium 32 bit SP2

I have problems with my registry going corrupt every 7-8 days, pc freezing, slowing down, BSOD, unexpected shutdowns etc.

The rig is about 2 years old, and i had only the 160gb hdd then with xp and was rarely used. i installed vista mid september and had these corruption problems and had to reinstall vista a few times. so i thought ther's something wrong with the hdd so i added the 500GB and put vista on it. but the same problems seem to be occuring.

I read on a forum that the PSU may not be enough. Please advice me on this matter.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    NA
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 64 4800+
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N-MX SE
    Memory
    2x2GB DDR2 667MHz Transcend
    Graphics Card(s)
    BIG GeForce 8600GT 512MB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 5.1 onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia V Series - KLV-26V300A
    Screen Resolution
    1360 x 768
    Hard Drives
    WD Caviar Blue
    WD5000AAKS
    500GB SATA
    PSU
    Enterage Power3 400W
    Case
    Enterage Generic
    Cooling
    Stock CPU fan, Stock GPU fan, 4x Chassis fans
    Keyboard
    UMAX PS2
    Mouse
    UMAX USB
    Internet Speed
    2MBPS
    Other Info
    Philips SP050 60W RMS 5.1

    2x1TB in Vantec NexStar MX
hm... honestly that sounds more like a virus.... have you checked for that yet?
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Acer, Aspire M1201\Custom Build
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 5000+ @ 2.6Ghz
    Motherboard
    Acer Micro-ATX Motherboard
    Memory
    2x2gb Patriot Viper DDR2 PC6400 @ 800mhz Dual Channel SLI Edition (4-4-4-12)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI HD3870 with 512mb GDDR4
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 7.1 Onboard Sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    22" Acer X223 Widescreen
    Screen Resolution
    1680 X 1050
    Hard Drives
    320gb Western Digital SATA II (Ubuntu 9.10)
    500gb Seagate SATA II
    1tb Seagate SATA II (Vista Home Premium)
    PSU
    ULTRA X3 600 Watt Modular
    Case
    NZXT Tempest (The Airflow King) 2x 140mm Fans, 4x 120mm Fans
    Cooling
    1x 135mm In PSU, 1x 70mm On CPU, And 1x 120mm On GPU
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Sidewinder X6
    Mouse
    Microsoft Sidewinder X5
    Internet Speed
    6 Mbs Down 1 Mbs Up
    Other Info
    AVerMedia 1500MCE TV Tuner
    Logitech X540 5.1 Surround Sound
Thank you for the quick reply.

I have not checked for a virus.

But the fact is, every time this registry problem came i used a fully formated HDD, with a fresh vista install, and these problems start showing even before i use the internet. So i dont see where the virus can come from.

Any way i will run a full system scan. I use AntiVir Personal. Hope thats enough.

But please do tell me whether the PSU is sufficient for my rig. I can give you more details that are written on the PSU if simply "400W" is not enough.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    NA
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 64 4800+
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N-MX SE
    Memory
    2x2GB DDR2 667MHz Transcend
    Graphics Card(s)
    BIG GeForce 8600GT 512MB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 5.1 onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia V Series - KLV-26V300A
    Screen Resolution
    1360 x 768
    Hard Drives
    WD Caviar Blue
    WD5000AAKS
    500GB SATA
    PSU
    Enterage Power3 400W
    Case
    Enterage Generic
    Cooling
    Stock CPU fan, Stock GPU fan, 4x Chassis fans
    Keyboard
    UMAX PS2
    Mouse
    UMAX USB
    Internet Speed
    2MBPS
    Other Info
    Philips SP050 60W RMS 5.1

    2x1TB in Vantec NexStar MX
hm..... try for viruses first, then if that is a fail then we will move to the psu, and after that..... it could be other hardware that is causing it
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Acer, Aspire M1201\Custom Build
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 5000+ @ 2.6Ghz
    Motherboard
    Acer Micro-ATX Motherboard
    Memory
    2x2gb Patriot Viper DDR2 PC6400 @ 800mhz Dual Channel SLI Edition (4-4-4-12)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI HD3870 with 512mb GDDR4
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 7.1 Onboard Sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    22" Acer X223 Widescreen
    Screen Resolution
    1680 X 1050
    Hard Drives
    320gb Western Digital SATA II (Ubuntu 9.10)
    500gb Seagate SATA II
    1tb Seagate SATA II (Vista Home Premium)
    PSU
    ULTRA X3 600 Watt Modular
    Case
    NZXT Tempest (The Airflow King) 2x 140mm Fans, 4x 120mm Fans
    Cooling
    1x 135mm In PSU, 1x 70mm On CPU, And 1x 120mm On GPU
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Sidewinder X6
    Mouse
    Microsoft Sidewinder X5
    Internet Speed
    6 Mbs Down 1 Mbs Up
    Other Info
    AVerMedia 1500MCE TV Tuner
    Logitech X540 5.1 Surround Sound
It does sound like your psu could be higher, but that's not your problem.
I have some homework for you...
After virus check, run malwarebytes.
Then run memtest86+
Make sure you have the latest drivers and bios
Check device driver for problems.
Check windows log for errors.
Upload dump files to this site.
That should be good for starters.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    AMD AM2 6000+
    Motherboard
    Nvidia M2N-E SLI
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce 7600GT
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    WD
    Case
    Cooler Master
    Cooling
    Three fans
    Keyboard
    Dell Quietkey
    Mouse
    Dell Optical
    Internet Speed
    10 MBPS
hm.... good idea
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Acer, Aspire M1201\Custom Build
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 5000+ @ 2.6Ghz
    Motherboard
    Acer Micro-ATX Motherboard
    Memory
    2x2gb Patriot Viper DDR2 PC6400 @ 800mhz Dual Channel SLI Edition (4-4-4-12)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI HD3870 with 512mb GDDR4
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 7.1 Onboard Sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    22" Acer X223 Widescreen
    Screen Resolution
    1680 X 1050
    Hard Drives
    320gb Western Digital SATA II (Ubuntu 9.10)
    500gb Seagate SATA II
    1tb Seagate SATA II (Vista Home Premium)
    PSU
    ULTRA X3 600 Watt Modular
    Case
    NZXT Tempest (The Airflow King) 2x 140mm Fans, 4x 120mm Fans
    Cooling
    1x 135mm In PSU, 1x 70mm On CPU, And 1x 120mm On GPU
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Sidewinder X6
    Mouse
    Microsoft Sidewinder X5
    Internet Speed
    6 Mbs Down 1 Mbs Up
    Other Info
    AVerMedia 1500MCE TV Tuner
    Logitech X540 5.1 Surround Sound
Sorry for the late reply, my time zone is almost 12 hours different from most of you guys and i took about 6 hours trying the things below.

As you suggested i ran AntiVir. When it reached 25% of the "Hidden objects scan" (the first stage), the pc hung. After a few minutes it restarted and i got the "did not shut down properly" screen and i chose normal start. When it booted to the desktop i got a "recovered from unexpected shutdown" dialogue. This was what was given under problem details:

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: BlueScreen
OS Version: 6.0.6002.2.2.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033
Additional information about the problem:
BCCode: d1
BCP1: 00000000
BCP2: 00000002
BCP3: 00000000
BCP4: 82350395
OS Version: 6_0_6002
Service Pack: 2_0
Product: 768_1
Files that help describe the problem:
C:\Windows\Minidump\Mini100909-01.dmp
C:\Users\Ayson\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-169027-0.sysdata.xml
C:\Users\Ayson\AppData\Local\Temp\WERBAC6.tmp.version.txt
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I have uploaded the 3 minidumps in the C:\Windows\Minidump\ folder. I could not locate the other two files in the specified location, possibly because i restarted a few times before i looked for it. I looked for it only after i did the 2 things below while the Malwarebytes scan was running.

I scheduled a disk check and restarted, chkdsk ran, it restarted automaticaly.
Updated AntiVir, ran the scan, it completed successfuly and had no detections.

Downloaded Malwarebytes free edition, updated it, did a "full scan". No malicious items detected.

I have run the windows memory diagnostics tool before and it found no problems.
Tried a lot to use Memtest86+ but couldnt figure out how to use it. Went to the forum>> Easy Memtest Boot USB Flash guide!!! - Canardpc.com >> Test if your system is capable of booting from a USB Device | USB Pen Drive Linux .
I get stuck at the second step ie. makeboot.bat. It says:

Accessing physical drive: Access is denied.
Did not successfully update the MBR; continuing...
~~~~~~~~ Congratulations ~~~~~~~
The hidden file ldlinux.sys has been installed
Your H: drive should now be bootable.

Press any key to exit this window!

Checked and i think i have all the latest drivers.
About the BIOS, there is an update on the ASUS website but when i download and run it the updater stops because "the model of the BIOS image doesn't match the BIOS ROM currently present."

BIOS ROM model is M2N-MX, BIOS image model is M2N-MX(SE). My motherboard is SE and i choose M2N-MX SE from the product list on the ASUS site.

How do i "Check device driver for problems, Check windows log for errors, Upload dump files to this site." Sorry i dont really know to do those last three things.

So far 3 successes and 5 failures.
 

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My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    NA
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 64 4800+
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N-MX SE
    Memory
    2x2GB DDR2 667MHz Transcend
    Graphics Card(s)
    BIG GeForce 8600GT 512MB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 5.1 onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia V Series - KLV-26V300A
    Screen Resolution
    1360 x 768
    Hard Drives
    WD Caviar Blue
    WD5000AAKS
    500GB SATA
    PSU
    Enterage Power3 400W
    Case
    Enterage Generic
    Cooling
    Stock CPU fan, Stock GPU fan, 4x Chassis fans
    Keyboard
    UMAX PS2
    Mouse
    UMAX USB
    Internet Speed
    2MBPS
    Other Info
    Philips SP050 60W RMS 5.1

    2x1TB in Vantec NexStar MX
hm.... i am no good at dump files..... lemur?
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Acer, Aspire M1201\Custom Build
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 5000+ @ 2.6Ghz
    Motherboard
    Acer Micro-ATX Motherboard
    Memory
    2x2gb Patriot Viper DDR2 PC6400 @ 800mhz Dual Channel SLI Edition (4-4-4-12)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI HD3870 with 512mb GDDR4
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 7.1 Onboard Sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    22" Acer X223 Widescreen
    Screen Resolution
    1680 X 1050
    Hard Drives
    320gb Western Digital SATA II (Ubuntu 9.10)
    500gb Seagate SATA II
    1tb Seagate SATA II (Vista Home Premium)
    PSU
    ULTRA X3 600 Watt Modular
    Case
    NZXT Tempest (The Airflow King) 2x 140mm Fans, 4x 120mm Fans
    Cooling
    1x 135mm In PSU, 1x 70mm On CPU, And 1x 120mm On GPU
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Sidewinder X6
    Mouse
    Microsoft Sidewinder X5
    Internet Speed
    6 Mbs Down 1 Mbs Up
    Other Info
    AVerMedia 1500MCE TV Tuner
    Logitech X540 5.1 Surround Sound
The problem is with nvstor.sys. Try running Chkdsk c: /F /R with an elevated command prompt.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    AMD AM2 6000+
    Motherboard
    Nvidia M2N-E SLI
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce 7600GT
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    WD
    Case
    Cooler Master
    Cooling
    Three fans
    Keyboard
    Dell Quietkey
    Mouse
    Dell Optical
    Internet Speed
    10 MBPS
I did that, it scheduled a check. It did the check when i restarted. Should that solve the problem? Even if does, why did "nvstor.sys" have a problem, even when its a fresh install? Is there a more serious problem that i have to look into? Thank you for you help.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    NA
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 64 4800+
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N-MX SE
    Memory
    2x2GB DDR2 667MHz Transcend
    Graphics Card(s)
    BIG GeForce 8600GT 512MB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 5.1 onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia V Series - KLV-26V300A
    Screen Resolution
    1360 x 768
    Hard Drives
    WD Caviar Blue
    WD5000AAKS
    500GB SATA
    PSU
    Enterage Power3 400W
    Case
    Enterage Generic
    Cooling
    Stock CPU fan, Stock GPU fan, 4x Chassis fans
    Keyboard
    UMAX PS2
    Mouse
    UMAX USB
    Internet Speed
    2MBPS
    Other Info
    Philips SP050 60W RMS 5.1

    2x1TB in Vantec NexStar MX
now im have more problems, when ever i play a game like CS Source, NFS UC, etc its like one half of the screen is lagging in changing the frame.

The game itself runs smooth. Eg: in CS when i turn, its like the the top turns but the bottom catches up a few ms later. It is the same even when the game is set to run in the lowest grafix settings.

When i take a screenshot it does not show the problem, i will upload a photo from a camera later.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    NA
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 64 4800+
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N-MX SE
    Memory
    2x2GB DDR2 667MHz Transcend
    Graphics Card(s)
    BIG GeForce 8600GT 512MB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 5.1 onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia V Series - KLV-26V300A
    Screen Resolution
    1360 x 768
    Hard Drives
    WD Caviar Blue
    WD5000AAKS
    500GB SATA
    PSU
    Enterage Power3 400W
    Case
    Enterage Generic
    Cooling
    Stock CPU fan, Stock GPU fan, 4x Chassis fans
    Keyboard
    UMAX PS2
    Mouse
    UMAX USB
    Internet Speed
    2MBPS
    Other Info
    Philips SP050 60W RMS 5.1

    2x1TB in Vantec NexStar MX
this is odd...
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Acer, Aspire M1201\Custom Build
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 5000+ @ 2.6Ghz
    Motherboard
    Acer Micro-ATX Motherboard
    Memory
    2x2gb Patriot Viper DDR2 PC6400 @ 800mhz Dual Channel SLI Edition (4-4-4-12)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI HD3870 with 512mb GDDR4
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 7.1 Onboard Sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    22" Acer X223 Widescreen
    Screen Resolution
    1680 X 1050
    Hard Drives
    320gb Western Digital SATA II (Ubuntu 9.10)
    500gb Seagate SATA II
    1tb Seagate SATA II (Vista Home Premium)
    PSU
    ULTRA X3 600 Watt Modular
    Case
    NZXT Tempest (The Airflow King) 2x 140mm Fans, 4x 120mm Fans
    Cooling
    1x 135mm In PSU, 1x 70mm On CPU, And 1x 120mm On GPU
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Sidewinder X6
    Mouse
    Microsoft Sidewinder X5
    Internet Speed
    6 Mbs Down 1 Mbs Up
    Other Info
    AVerMedia 1500MCE TV Tuner
    Logitech X540 5.1 Surround Sound
The heart of some of the strangest problems, is often a result of a cheap PSU. If you can, try your system with a higher quality PSU such as an Antec, Enermax, etc.
 

My Computer

System One

Thank all of you for your help. My PC hasnt shown any problems for a few days now. I hope that lasts. Still havnt figured out what was wrong in the first place. Thnx again.
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    NA
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 64 4800+
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N-MX SE
    Memory
    2x2GB DDR2 667MHz Transcend
    Graphics Card(s)
    BIG GeForce 8600GT 512MB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 5.1 onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia V Series - KLV-26V300A
    Screen Resolution
    1360 x 768
    Hard Drives
    WD Caviar Blue
    WD5000AAKS
    500GB SATA
    PSU
    Enterage Power3 400W
    Case
    Enterage Generic
    Cooling
    Stock CPU fan, Stock GPU fan, 4x Chassis fans
    Keyboard
    UMAX PS2
    Mouse
    UMAX USB
    Internet Speed
    2MBPS
    Other Info
    Philips SP050 60W RMS 5.1

    2x1TB in Vantec NexStar MX
welcome even though i did nothing :D haha
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Acer, Aspire M1201\Custom Build
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 5000+ @ 2.6Ghz
    Motherboard
    Acer Micro-ATX Motherboard
    Memory
    2x2gb Patriot Viper DDR2 PC6400 @ 800mhz Dual Channel SLI Edition (4-4-4-12)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI HD3870 with 512mb GDDR4
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 7.1 Onboard Sound
    Monitor(s) Displays
    22" Acer X223 Widescreen
    Screen Resolution
    1680 X 1050
    Hard Drives
    320gb Western Digital SATA II (Ubuntu 9.10)
    500gb Seagate SATA II
    1tb Seagate SATA II (Vista Home Premium)
    PSU
    ULTRA X3 600 Watt Modular
    Case
    NZXT Tempest (The Airflow King) 2x 140mm Fans, 4x 120mm Fans
    Cooling
    1x 135mm In PSU, 1x 70mm On CPU, And 1x 120mm On GPU
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Sidewinder X6
    Mouse
    Microsoft Sidewinder X5
    Internet Speed
    6 Mbs Down 1 Mbs Up
    Other Info
    AVerMedia 1500MCE TV Tuner
    Logitech X540 5.1 Surround Sound
Ok, im back with a problem. Maybe because of some registry problem. Things go under the taskbar. I'll explain....

1> When i have done a lot of searches with the Google toolbar in IE and i want to clear the search history, the clear history button goes below the taskbar.

2> When a program shows something in the notification area part of it is behind the taskbar. The notification dialogue's base starts at the bottom of the screen instead of the top of the taskbar. Not all programs seem to be affected.

But windows stuff, ie. volume, network, do not have the problem.

I have included a screenshot showing the problem and showing how it is behind the taskbar using the auto-hide option.

Should i be posting this here or start a new topic?
 

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My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    NA
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 64 4800+
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N-MX SE
    Memory
    2x2GB DDR2 667MHz Transcend
    Graphics Card(s)
    BIG GeForce 8600GT 512MB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 5.1 onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia V Series - KLV-26V300A
    Screen Resolution
    1360 x 768
    Hard Drives
    WD Caviar Blue
    WD5000AAKS
    500GB SATA
    PSU
    Enterage Power3 400W
    Case
    Enterage Generic
    Cooling
    Stock CPU fan, Stock GPU fan, 4x Chassis fans
    Keyboard
    UMAX PS2
    Mouse
    UMAX USB
    Internet Speed
    2MBPS
    Other Info
    Philips SP050 60W RMS 5.1

    2x1TB in Vantec NexStar MX
I would probaly put this in a new topic :) Anyway did you check for any viruses yet?
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Gateway: GM5472
    CPU
    AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ (2 CPUs), ~2.
    Memory
    4
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD 3650
    Cooling
    Dynex
    Keyboard
    Dynex
Intermittent and sporadic errors are most likely caused by uneven power in the system...
The PSU remains my main suspect here...
 

My Computer

System One

  • CPU
    Intel Q6600
    Motherboard
    ASUS P5K MBoard.
    Memory
    4G OCZ PC2 8500 Platinum
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 8800GTS Vid Card
    Hard Drives
    500G Seagate SATA
    200G Seagate SATA
    100G WD Caviar SATA
    80G WD Caviar IDE
    PSU
    OCZ Elite 800W PSU
    Case
    RaidMax Smilodon Case
    Other Info
    Lite-On dual layer DVD burner X 2
    Dos 6.2;Win2K;XP; &
    Vista Ultimate 64Bit.
another one :(

Started new topic
 
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My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    NA
    CPU
    AMD Athlon X2 64 4800+
    Motherboard
    ASUS M2N-MX SE
    Memory
    2x2GB DDR2 667MHz Transcend
    Graphics Card(s)
    BIG GeForce 8600GT 512MB
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD 5.1 onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Sony Bravia V Series - KLV-26V300A
    Screen Resolution
    1360 x 768
    Hard Drives
    WD Caviar Blue
    WD5000AAKS
    500GB SATA
    PSU
    Enterage Power3 400W
    Case
    Enterage Generic
    Cooling
    Stock CPU fan, Stock GPU fan, 4x Chassis fans
    Keyboard
    UMAX PS2
    Mouse
    UMAX USB
    Internet Speed
    2MBPS
    Other Info
    Philips SP050 60W RMS 5.1

    2x1TB in Vantec NexStar MX
i wonder if it has to do with shielding?
does the humming vary if you move the speakers in front of the pc?
 

My Computer

System One

  • Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    AMD AM2 6000+
    Motherboard
    Nvidia M2N-E SLI
    Graphics Card(s)
    GeForce 7600GT
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    WD
    Case
    Cooler Master
    Cooling
    Three fans
    Keyboard
    Dell Quietkey
    Mouse
    Dell Optical
    Internet Speed
    10 MBPS
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