Live Messenger, Live Hotmail, and Windows Live Mail - Contacts


  1.    17 Jun 2008 #1
    Bob Lucas Guest

    Live Messenger, Live Hotmail, and Windows Live Mail - Contacts


    Microsoft announced that HTTP access to Hotmail accounts from Outlook
    Express would be no longer be available after June 30th. (I understand
    that implementation of that decision has been postponed.)

    I have two "grandfathered" Hotmail accounts and one "grandfathered" MSN
    mail account - so I installed Windows Live mail on my computers. I also
    imported my all of my Live Hotmail / MSN mail addresses into Windows
    Live Mail. I have retained Outlook Express on my computers, for access
    to newsgroups and various POP3/SMTP email accounts.

    I use my primary xxx@xxxxxx Hotmail address as my Live ID sign-in
    for Windows Live Mail and also for Windows Live Messenger.

    I logged onto my primary Hotmail address via the Internet and imported
    my Windows address book. The Live interface synchronised the resulting
    contacts list with my Hotmail account and Windows Live Messenger. Then,
    I removed a few duplicate entries and re-created my distribution lists
    (from OE) in Windows Live Mail and Hotmail webmail. So far, so good.

    However, there are inconsistencies with the way Hotmail (via the webmail
    interface), Windows Live Mail and Windows Live Messenger sort my
    contacts.

    Hotmail (webmail) sorts contacts alphabetically - surname first. Then,
    if I use the contact list to send an email to Joe Bloggs (appears in the
    contact list as Bloggs, Joe), the outgoing email shows the addressee's
    name correctly as "Joe Bloggs".

    I have also configured Windows Live Mail to sort contacts
    alphabetically - surname first. However, if I use the contact list to
    send a message to Joe Bloggs, the resulting email shows the addressee's
    name as Bloggs Joe. In this respect, Outlook Express and the Hotmail
    webmail interface are much better. Is there any way of configuring the
    contacts list in Windows Live Mail to sort the list by Surname - but to
    send outgoing emails with the addressee as Joe Bloggs, not Bloggs Joe?

    Windows Live Messenger is even worse. The contacts list sorts by
    First Name only - and unless I am mistaken, the only sort options are
    "Display Name", "First and last name" or "email address". There is no
    way to to sort by Surname first. Why not?

    Surname first is the most logical sort method. There are no less than
    seven contacts called David in my contact list - and only one "Smith".
    Need I say more? I certainly do not want to sort contacts by first
    name.



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  2.    17 Jun 2008 #2
    Ildhund Guest

    Re: Live Messenger, Live Hotmail, and Windows Live Mail - Contacts


    "Bob Lucas" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:g38j0l$rhb$1@xxxxxx

    > I have also configured Windows Live Mail to sort contacts
    > alphabetically - surname first. However, if I use the contact
    > list to
    > send a message to Joe Bloggs, the resulting email shows the
    > addressee's
    > name as Bloggs Joe. In this respect, Outlook Express and the
    > Hotmail
    > webmail interface are much better. Is there any way of
    > configuring the
    > contacts list in Windows Live Mail to sort the list by Surname -
    > but to
    > send outgoing emails with the addressee as Joe Bloggs, not Bloggs
    > Joe?
    You're talking about two different settings here. In the Contacts
    window (list view), you can *sort* by any of the visible fields,
    including surname, simply by clicking on the column heading. Another
    setting in the View menu of the contacts window is '*Show* *names*
    as first last'. This applies only to the Name field, which is
    generated by WLMail and contains Nickname if there is one and First
    name Last name if there isn't. If these are absent too, it uses the
    preferred (I think) email address. This is the field that appears,
    together with email address(es) if you select the icon next to To:
    etc. in a compose window and gets written to the addressee field. If
    it really means a lot to you, there's nothing to stop you manually
    populating the Nickname field with, say, First name Last name. This
    will override the 'Show names...' setting. It wouldn't take long to
    export your contacts to csv, open the csv in Excel and insert a
    little formula to fill the Nickname column, save as csv and
    reimport.

    I find I never use either of these when composing a message. In your
    case, I bet the right contact would come up with one click and two
    keystrokes: New, then sm. Only if you have more than 30 contacts
    with the same combination of letters (sm) will you even have to
    scroll to pick the right one.
    --
    Noel

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  3.    17 Jun 2008 #3
    Bob Lucas Guest

    Re: Live Messenger, Live Hotmail, and Windows Live Mail - Contacts


    "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:eduZrFK0IHA.4492@xxxxxx

    > "Bob Lucas" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    > news:g38j0l$rhb$1@xxxxxx
    >

    >> I have also configured Windows Live Mail to sort contacts
    >> alphabetically - surname first. However, if I use the contact list
    >> to send a message to Joe Bloggs, the resulting email shows
    >> the addressee's name as Bloggs Joe. In this respect, Outlook
    >> Express and the Hotmail webmail interface are much better.
    >> Is there any way of configuring the contacts list in Windows
    >> Live Mail to sort the list by Surname - but to send outgoing
    > emails with the addressee as Joe Bloggs, not Bloggs Joe?
    >
    > You're talking about two different settings here.

    > In the Contacts window (list view), you can *sort* by any of the
    > visible fields, including surname, simply by clicking on the column
    > heading.
    YES AND NO. If there is a Nickname, Windows Live Mail will sort the
    contact list alphabetically by Nickname. Consequenly, a nickname of
    "Bob Lucas" will sort under "B". A nickname of "Lucas Bob" will sort
    under "L".

    If there is no Nickname, Windows Live Mail will sort by First Name OR by
    Last Name, depending upon your personal settings. Clicking at the top
    of the Name column merely sorts the names in ascending or descending
    alphabetical order. Clicking at the top of the column does not affect
    whether Windows Live Mail sorts by First Name or by Last Name.

    Windows Live Mail can also sort by email address, if you click at the
    top of that column.


    > Another setting in the View menu of the contacts window is '*Show*
    > *names* as first last'. This applies only to the Name field, which is
    > generated by WLMail and contains Nickname if there is one and First
    > name Last name if there isn't. If these are absent too, it uses the
    > preferred (I think) email address. This is the field that appears,
    > together with email address(es) if you select the icon next to To:
    > etc. in a compose window and gets written to the addressee field. If
    > it really means a lot to you, there's nothing to stop you manually
    > populating the Nickname field with, say, First name Last name. This
    > will override the 'Show names...' setting. It wouldn't take long to
    > export your contacts to csv, open the csv in Excel and insert a little
    > formula to fill the Nickname column, save as csv and reimport.
    >
    > I find I never use either of these when composing a message. In your
    > case, I bet the right contact would come up with one click and two
    > keystrokes: New, then sm. Only if you have more than 30 contacts with
    > the same combination of letters (sm) will you even have to scroll to
    > pick the right one.
    > --
    > Noel
    I presume your instructions relate to Windows Live Mail, as opposed to
    Live Hotmail (webmail interface) or Windows Live Messenger. I have
    tested your instructions with one contact but unfortunately, they did
    not have the desired effect.

    I have never used nicknames in Windows Live Mail for any of my contacts.
    However, as a test, I added the nickname "Lucas Bob" to one of my own
    POP3 email addresses. With this nickname, Windows Live Mail sorted my
    name under the first character of the nickname, namely "L".

    Then, in the view menu of Windows Live Mail, I selected "Sort by First
    Name / Last Name". I discovered that use of a nickname overrides all
    other sort options. With the nickname of Lucas Bob, Windows Live Mail
    sorts the contact list alphabetically, so my contact name still appears
    under "L" - not "B". So far, so good.

    However, if I instruct Windows Live Mail to sort by First Name / Last
    Name,it still inserts the nickname "Lucas Bob" in outgoing emails - NOT
    "Bob Lucas". In other words, the "Sort Last Name / First Name" option
    and the "Sort First Name / Last Name" option don't work, if a contact
    has a nickname.

    I repeat - I want to sort the contact list in Windows Live Mail by
    Surname - not by First name. I also want the addressee's name in
    outgoing emails to appear as "Bob Lucas" - not "Lucas Bob".

    I have remove all nicknames once again - they seem to serve no useful
    purpose.

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  4.    17 Jun 2008 #4
    Ildhund Guest

    Re: Live Messenger, Live Hotmail, and Windows Live Mail - Contacts


    "Bob Lucas" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:g3945h$t8p$1@xxxxxx

    > "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    > news:eduZrFK0IHA.4492@xxxxxx

    >> "Bob Lucas" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    >> news:g38j0l$rhb$1@xxxxxx
    >>

    >>> I have also configured Windows Live Mail to sort contacts
    >>> alphabetically - surname first. However, if I use the contact
    >>> list
    >>> to send a message to Joe Bloggs, the resulting email shows
    >>> the addressee's name as Bloggs Joe. In this respect, Outlook
    >>> Express and the Hotmail webmail interface are much better.
    >>> Is there any way of configuring the contacts list in Windows
    >>> Live Mail to sort the list by Surname - but to send outgoing
    >> emails with the addressee as Joe Bloggs, not Bloggs Joe?
    >>
    >> You're talking about two different settings here.
    >

    >> In the Contacts window (list view), you can *sort* by any of the
    >> visible fields, including surname, simply by clicking on the
    >> column
    >> heading.
    >
    > YES AND NO. If there is a Nickname, Windows Live Mail will sort
    > the
    > contact list alphabetically by Nickname. Consequenly, a nickname
    > of "Bob Lucas" will sort under "B". A nickname of "Lucas Bob"
    > will sort under "L".
    Wrong. In a Contacts window, entries will be sorted precisely by the
    field showing the sort arrow, regardless of whether there is a
    nickname or no.
    If you choose to sort by Nickname, then those that have one will
    appear in anti/alphabetical order depending on whether you're
    sorting ascending or descending. The remaining entries will be
    sorted ascending by the Name field, which as I said in my last post
    is generated by WLMail.

    >
    > If there is no Nickname, Windows Live Mail will sort by First Name
    > OR by Last Name, depending upon your personal settings. Clicking
    > at the top of the Name column merely sorts the names in ascending
    > or descending alphabetical order. Clicking at the top of the
    > column does not affect whether Windows Live Mail sorts by First
    > Name or by Last Name.
    >
    You're mixing things up again. I was talking about a Contacts
    window - what you get if you click the address book icon at the foot
    of the Folder panel or hit Ctrl-Shift-C. I think you're talking
    about the window that opens if you click on the address book icon in
    a Compose window. Again, as I said earlier, this listing behaves
    differently. You cannot configure what fields appear there; you are
    limited to the Name field with its associated email address(es). You
    can select an addressee from this list, and the contents of the Name
    field will then appear in the appropriate field in the Compose
    window.

    > Windows Live Mail can also sort by email address, if you click at
    > the top of that column.
    >
    >

    >> Another setting in the View menu of the contacts window is
    >> '*Show*
    >> *names* as first last'. This applies only to the Name field,
    >> which is
    >> generated by WLMail and contains Nickname if there is one and
    >> First
    >> name Last name if there isn't. If these are absent too, it uses
    >> the
    >> preferred (I think) email address. This is the field that
    >> appears,
    >> together with email address(es) if you select the icon next to
    >> To:
    >> etc. in a compose window and gets written to the addressee field.
    >> If
    >> it really means a lot to you, there's nothing to stop you
    >> manually
    >> populating the Nickname field with, say, First name Last name.
    >> This
    >> will override the 'Show names...' setting. It wouldn't take long
    >> to
    >> export your contacts to csv, open the csv in Excel and insert a
    >> little
    >> formula to fill the Nickname column, save as csv and reimport.
    >>
    >> I find I never use either of these when composing a message. In
    >> your
    >> case, I bet the right contact would come up with one click and
    >> two
    >> keystrokes: New, then sm. Only if you have more than 30 contacts
    >> with
    >> the same combination of letters (sm) will you even have to scroll
    >> to
    >> pick the right one.

    > I presume your instructions relate to Windows Live Mail, as
    > opposed to
    > Live Hotmail (webmail interface) or Windows Live Messenger. I
    > have
    > tested your instructions with one contact but unfortunately, they
    > did
    > not have the desired effect.
    Do you mean that when you typed 'sm', your one contact whose surname
    is Smith did not appear ready to be selected?

    > I have never used nicknames in Windows Live Mail for any of my
    > contacts.
    > However, as a test, I added the nickname "Lucas Bob" to one of my
    > own
    > POP3 email addresses. With this nickname, Windows Live Mail
    > sorted my
    > name under the first character of the nickname, namely "L".
    >
    > Then, in the view menu of Windows Live Mail, I selected "Sort by
    > First
    > Name / Last Name". I discovered that use of a nickname overrides
    > all
    > other sort options.
    Precisely what I wrote 22 lines above this one. (I can't find an
    option to 'Sort by First Name / Last Name' in any view menu.)

    > With the nickname of Lucas Bob, Windows Live Mail
    > sorts the contact list alphabetically, so my contact name still
    > appears
    > under "L" - not "B". So far, so good.
    >
    > However, if I instruct Windows Live Mail to sort by First Name /
    > Last
    > Name,it still inserts the nickname "Lucas Bob" in outgoing
    > emails - NOT
    > "Bob Lucas". In other words, the "Sort Last Name / First Name"
    > option
    > and the "Sort First Name / Last Name" option don't work, if a
    > contact
    > has a nickname.
    >
    > I repeat - I want to sort the contact list in Windows Live Mail by
    > Surname - not by First name. I also want the addressee's name in
    > outgoing emails to appear as "Bob Lucas" - not "Lucas Bob".
    >
    > I have remove all nicknames once again - they seem to serve no
    > useful
    > purpose.
    You want to sort the list that appears in a Compose window - which
    is not the same as what is displayed in the Contacts window. What
    you are trying to achieve can't be done, because the Name field
    governs what goes in the addressee box. That's why I say try using
    the much more efficient technique of just typing a few characters of
    the addressee's name - or email address, or company name, or
    anything else you can remember about him - in the addressee field.
    If you're sending to a group, then the first few letters of the
    group name will suffice. If not all of the members of the group are
    to receive the message, you can just delete them from the addressee
    field.
    --
    Noel

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  5.    18 Jun 2008 #5
    Bob Lucas Guest

    Re: Live Messenger, Live Hotmail, and Windows Live Mail - Contacts


    "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:uoMgcaM0IHA.4004@xxxxxx

    > "Bob Lucas" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    > news:g3945h$t8p$1@xxxxxx

    >> "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    >> news:eduZrFK0IHA.4492@xxxxxx

    >>> "Bob Lucas" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    >>> news:g38j0l$rhb$1@xxxxxx
    >>>
    >>>> I have also configured Windows Live Mail to sort contacts
    >>>> alphabetically - surname first. However, if I use the contact list
    >>>> to send a message to Joe Bloggs, the resulting email shows
    >>>> the addressee's name as Bloggs Joe. In this respect, Outlook
    >>>> Express and the Hotmail webmail interface are much better.
    >>>> Is there any way of configuring the contacts list in Windows
    >>>> Live Mail to sort the list by Surname - but to send outgoing
    >>> emails with the addressee as Joe Bloggs, not Bloggs Joe?
    >>>
    >>> You're talking about two different settings here.
    >>

    >>> In the Contacts window (list view), you can *sort* by any of the
    >>> visible fields, including surname, simply by clicking on the column
    >>> heading.
    >>
    >> YES AND NO. If there is a Nickname, Windows Live Mail will sort the
    >> contact list alphabetically by Nickname. Consequenly, a nickname of
    >> "Bob Lucas" will sort under "B". A nickname of "Lucas Bob" will sort
    >> under "L".
    >
    > Wrong. In a Contacts window, entries will be sorted precisely by the
    > field showing the sort arrow, regardless of whether there is a
    > nickname or no.
    > If you choose to sort by Nickname, then those that have one will
    > appear in anti/alphabetical order depending on whether you're sorting
    > ascending or descending. The remaining entries will be sorted
    > ascending by the Name field, which as I said in my last post is
    > generated by WLMail.
    >

    >>
    >> If there is no Nickname, Windows Live Mail will sort by First Name OR
    >> by Last Name, depending upon your personal settings. Clicking at the
    >> top of the Name column merely sorts the names in ascending or
    >> descending alphabetical order. Clicking at the top of the column
    >> does not affect whether Windows Live Mail sorts by First Name or by
    >> Last Name.
    >>
    >
    > You're mixing things up again. I was talking about a Contacts window -
    > what you get if you click the address book icon at the foot of the
    > Folder panel or hit Ctrl-Shift-C. I think you're talking about the
    > window that opens if you click on the address book icon in a Compose
    > window. Again, as I said earlier, this listing behaves differently.
    > You cannot configure what fields appear there; you are limited to the
    > Name field with its associated email address(es). You can select an
    > addressee from this list, and the contents of the Name field will then
    > appear in the appropriate field in the Compose window.
    >

    >> Windows Live Mail can also sort by email address, if you click at the
    >> top of that column.
    >>
    >>

    >>> Another setting in the View menu of the contacts window is '*Show*
    >>> *names* as first last'. This applies only to the Name field, which
    >>> is
    >>> generated by WLMail and contains Nickname if there is one and First
    >>> name Last name if there isn't. If these are absent too, it uses the
    >>> preferred (I think) email address. This is the field that appears,
    >>> together with email address(es) if you select the icon next to To:
    >>> etc. in a compose window and gets written to the addressee field. If
    >>> it really means a lot to you, there's nothing to stop you manually
    >>> populating the Nickname field with, say, First name Last name. This
    >>> will override the 'Show names...' setting. It wouldn't take long to
    >>> export your contacts to csv, open the csv in Excel and insert a
    >>> little
    >>> formula to fill the Nickname column, save as csv and reimport.
    >>>
    >>> I find I never use either of these when composing a message. In your
    >>> case, I bet the right contact would come up with one click and two
    >>> keystrokes: New, then sm. Only if you have more than 30 contacts
    >>> with
    >>> the same combination of letters (sm) will you even have to scroll to
    >>> pick the right one.
    >

    >> I presume your instructions relate to Windows Live Mail, as opposed
    >> to
    >> Live Hotmail (webmail interface) or Windows Live Messenger. I have
    >> tested your instructions with one contact but unfortunately, they did
    >> not have the desired effect.
    >
    > Do you mean that when you typed 'sm', your one contact whose surname
    > is Smith did not appear ready to be selected?
    >

    >> I have never used nicknames in Windows Live Mail for any of my
    >> contacts.
    >> However, as a test, I added the nickname "Lucas Bob" to one of my own
    >> POP3 email addresses. With this nickname, Windows Live Mail sorted
    >> my
    >> name under the first character of the nickname, namely "L".
    >>
    >> Then, in the view menu of Windows Live Mail, I selected "Sort by
    >> First
    >> Name / Last Name". I discovered that use of a nickname overrides all
    >> other sort options.
    >
    > Precisely what I wrote 22 lines above this one. (I can't find an
    > option to 'Sort by First Name / Last Name' in any view menu.)
    >

    >> With the nickname of Lucas Bob, Windows Live Mail
    >> sorts the contact list alphabetically, so my contact name still
    >> appears
    >> under "L" - not "B". So far, so good.
    >>
    >> However, if I instruct Windows Live Mail to sort by First Name / Last
    >> Name,it still inserts the nickname "Lucas Bob" in outgoing emails -
    >> NOT
    >> "Bob Lucas". In other words, the "Sort Last Name / First Name"
    >> option
    >> and the "Sort First Name / Last Name" option don't work, if a contact
    >> has a nickname.
    >>
    >> I repeat - I want to sort the contact list in Windows Live Mail by
    >> Surname - not by First name. I also want the addressee's name in
    >> outgoing emails to appear as "Bob Lucas" - not "Lucas Bob".
    >>
    >> I have remove all nicknames once again - they seem to serve no useful
    >> purpose.
    >
    > You want to sort the list that appears in a Compose window - which is
    > not the same as what is displayed in the Contacts window. What you are
    > trying to achieve can't be done, because the Name field governs what
    > goes in the addressee box. That's why I say try using the much more
    > efficient technique of just typing a few characters of the addressee's
    > name - or email address, or company name, or anything else you can
    > remember about him - in the addressee field. If you're sending to a
    > group, then the first few letters of the group name will suffice. If
    > not all of the members of the group are to receive the message, you
    > can just delete them from the addressee field.
    > --
    > Noel
    I'm sorry - but the entire sort system in Live Mail is fatally flawed.

    I agree that if you create a Nickname for each contact, Windows Live
    Mail will sort the contacts list by the first letter of the Nickname.
    The same sort order applies, if you click on the address icon, at the
    side of the "To:" box of an email.

    I also agree that you can set the view options in Windows Live Mail to
    sort by "Show names as First Last" or "Show names as Last First".

    However, this option has no effect whatsoever, where the contact has a
    Nickname. This applies, irrespective of whether I use the full contact
    list to create the email - or whether I create an email and click on the
    address icon by "To:" box of the email.

    Furthermore, if a contact has a Nickname, the Nickname overrides all
    other settings. Then, the contact receives emails that are addressed to
    the full NICKNAME (such as Lucas, Bob POP mail account - not even to Bob
    Lucas or Lucas Bob). The same thing happens, if I send emails via the
    Live Hotmail webmail interface.

    I simply cannot understand why Microsoft has tampered with the previous
    sort method, which worked perfectly in Outlook Express, .

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  6.    18 Jun 2008 #6
    thecreator Guest

    Re: Live Messenger, Live Hotmail, and Windows Live Mail - Contacts


    Hi Bob,

    Have you checked out Google or Gmail.com?

    https://www.google.com/accounts/Serv...d&ltmplcache=2

    You can use Outlook Express through Pop Access with Gmail.


    --
    thecreator

    "Bob Lucas" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:g38j0l$rhb$1@xxxxxx

    > Microsoft announced that HTTP access to Hotmail accounts from Outlook
    > Express would be no longer be available after June 30th. (I understand
    > that implementation of that decision has been postponed.)
    >
    > I have two "grandfathered" Hotmail accounts and one "grandfathered" MSN
    > mail account - so I installed Windows Live mail on my computers. I also
    > imported my all of my Live Hotmail / MSN mail addresses into Windows
    > Live Mail. I have retained Outlook Express on my computers, for access
    > to newsgroups and various POP3/SMTP email accounts.
    >
    > I use my primary xxx@xxxxxx Hotmail address as my Live ID sign-in
    > for Windows Live Mail and also for Windows Live Messenger.
    >
    > I logged onto my primary Hotmail address via the Internet and imported
    > my Windows address book. The Live interface synchronised the resulting
    > contacts list with my Hotmail account and Windows Live Messenger. Then,
    > I removed a few duplicate entries and re-created my distribution lists
    > (from OE) in Windows Live Mail and Hotmail webmail. So far, so good.
    >
    > However, there are inconsistencies with the way Hotmail (via the webmail
    > interface), Windows Live Mail and Windows Live Messenger sort my
    > contacts.
    >
    > Hotmail (webmail) sorts contacts alphabetically - surname first. Then,
    > if I use the contact list to send an email to Joe Bloggs (appears in the
    > contact list as Bloggs, Joe), the outgoing email shows the addressee's
    > name correctly as "Joe Bloggs".
    >
    > I have also configured Windows Live Mail to sort contacts
    > alphabetically - surname first. However, if I use the contact list to
    > send a message to Joe Bloggs, the resulting email shows the addressee's
    > name as Bloggs Joe. In this respect, Outlook Express and the Hotmail
    > webmail interface are much better. Is there any way of configuring the
    > contacts list in Windows Live Mail to sort the list by Surname - but to
    > send outgoing emails with the addressee as Joe Bloggs, not Bloggs Joe?
    >
    > Windows Live Messenger is even worse. The contacts list sorts by
    > First Name only - and unless I am mistaken, the only sort options are
    > "Display Name", "First and last name" or "email address". There is no
    > way to to sort by Surname first. Why not?
    >
    > Surname first is the most logical sort method. There are no less than
    > seven contacts called David in my contact list - and only one "Smith".
    > Need I say more? I certainly do not want to sort contacts by first
    > name.
    >
    >
    >

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  7.    10 Nov 2008 #7
    nivvi Guest

    RE: Live Messenger, Live Hotmail, and Windows Live Mail - Contacts


    Does anyone know what the settings are for smtp servers incoming

    "Bob Lucas" wrote:

    > Microsoft announced that HTTP access to Hotmail accounts from Outlook
    > Express would be no longer be available after June 30th. (I understand
    > that implementation of that decision has been postponed.)
    >
    > I have two "grandfathered" Hotmail accounts and one "grandfathered" MSN
    > mail account - so I installed Windows Live mail on my computers. I also
    > imported my all of my Live Hotmail / MSN mail addresses into Windows
    > Live Mail. I have retained Outlook Express on my computers, for access
    > to newsgroups and various POP3/SMTP email accounts.
    >
    > I use my primary xxx@xxxxxx Hotmail address as my Live ID sign-in
    > for Windows Live Mail and also for Windows Live Messenger.
    >
    > I logged onto my primary Hotmail address via the Internet and imported
    > my Windows address book. The Live interface synchronised the resulting
    > contacts list with my Hotmail account and Windows Live Messenger. Then,
    > I removed a few duplicate entries and re-created my distribution lists
    > (from OE) in Windows Live Mail and Hotmail webmail. So far, so good.
    >
    > However, there are inconsistencies with the way Hotmail (via the webmail
    > interface), Windows Live Mail and Windows Live Messenger sort my
    > contacts.
    >
    > Hotmail (webmail) sorts contacts alphabetically - surname first. Then,
    > if I use the contact list to send an email to Joe Bloggs (appears in the
    > contact list as Bloggs, Joe), the outgoing email shows the addressee's
    > name correctly as "Joe Bloggs".
    >
    > I have also configured Windows Live Mail to sort contacts
    > alphabetically - surname first. However, if I use the contact list to
    > send a message to Joe Bloggs, the resulting email shows the addressee's
    > name as Bloggs Joe. In this respect, Outlook Express and the Hotmail
    > webmail interface are much better. Is there any way of configuring the
    > contacts list in Windows Live Mail to sort the list by Surname - but to
    > send outgoing emails with the addressee as Joe Bloggs, not Bloggs Joe?
    >
    > Windows Live Messenger is even worse. The contacts list sorts by
    > First Name only - and unless I am mistaken, the only sort options are
    > "Display Name", "First and last name" or "email address". There is no
    > way to to sort by Surname first. Why not?
    >
    > Surname first is the most logical sort method. There are no less than
    > seven contacts called David in my contact list - and only one "Smith".
    > Need I say more? I certainly do not want to sort contacts by first
    > name.
    >
    >
    >
    >
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  8.    10 Nov 2008 #8
    ...winston Guest

    Re: Live Messenger, Live Hotmail, and Windows Live Mail - Contacts


    For free Hotmail accounts(hotmail, msn and live.com)--smtp/pop3 access is not possible.

    For subscription based accounts --Legacy Msn.com pop3(no longer available), Hotmail Plus, and possibly some Qwest subscribers using
    Msn Premium..see this article
    MSN and Hotmail Plus POP3/SMTP Access
    http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!171.entry

    Note: MSn Premium accounts(unlike the above legacy,Plus, and select Qwest) are not pop3/smtp capable, they are http accounts.


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    "nivvi" <nivvi@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ED569C26-C15C-417A-B93C-8BA9B1802CB7@xxxxxx

    > Does anyone know what the settings are for smtp servers incoming

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  9.    10 Nov 2008 #9
    Dave Guest

    Re: Live Messenger, Live Hotmail, and Windows Live Mail - Contacts


    For what?


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    "nivvi" <nivvi@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:ED569C26-C15C-417A-B93C-8BA9B1802CB7@xxxxxx

    > Does anyone know what the settings are for smtp servers incoming
    >
    > "Bob Lucas" wrote:
    >

    >> Microsoft announced that HTTP access to Hotmail accounts from Outlook
    >> Express would be no longer be available after June 30th. (I understand
    >> that implementation of that decision has been postponed.)
    >>
    >> I have two "grandfathered" Hotmail accounts and one "grandfathered" MSN
    >> mail account - so I installed Windows Live mail on my computers. I also
    >> imported my all of my Live Hotmail / MSN mail addresses into Windows
    >> Live Mail. I have retained Outlook Express on my computers, for access
    >> to newsgroups and various POP3/SMTP email accounts.
    >>
    >> I use my primary xxx@xxxxxx Hotmail address as my Live ID sign-in
    >> for Windows Live Mail and also for Windows Live Messenger.
    >>
    >> I logged onto my primary Hotmail address via the Internet and imported
    >> my Windows address book. The Live interface synchronised the resulting
    >> contacts list with my Hotmail account and Windows Live Messenger. Then,
    >> I removed a few duplicate entries and re-created my distribution lists
    >> (from OE) in Windows Live Mail and Hotmail webmail. So far, so good.
    >>
    >> However, there are inconsistencies with the way Hotmail (via the webmail
    >> interface), Windows Live Mail and Windows Live Messenger sort my
    >> contacts.
    >>
    >> Hotmail (webmail) sorts contacts alphabetically - surname first. Then,
    >> if I use the contact list to send an email to Joe Bloggs (appears in the
    >> contact list as Bloggs, Joe), the outgoing email shows the addressee's
    >> name correctly as "Joe Bloggs".
    >>
    >> I have also configured Windows Live Mail to sort contacts
    >> alphabetically - surname first. However, if I use the contact list to
    >> send a message to Joe Bloggs, the resulting email shows the addressee's
    >> name as Bloggs Joe. In this respect, Outlook Express and the Hotmail
    >> webmail interface are much better. Is there any way of configuring the
    >> contacts list in Windows Live Mail to sort the list by Surname - but to
    >> send outgoing emails with the addressee as Joe Bloggs, not Bloggs Joe?
    >>
    >> Windows Live Messenger is even worse. The contacts list sorts by
    >> First Name only - and unless I am mistaken, the only sort options are
    >> "Display Name", "First and last name" or "email address". There is no
    >> way to to sort by Surname first. Why not?
    >>
    >> Surname first is the most logical sort method. There are no less than
    >> seven contacts called David in my contact list - and only one "Smith".
    >> Need I say more? I certainly do not want to sort contacts by first
    >> name.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

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