64 bit Vista?

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greenmtnsun

Hi all,

I am an IT professional who made a small mistake when purchasing my new
laptop. I have a 64 bit dual core processor with Vista premium and found out
that I needed IIS 7.0 that included Windows Authentification in order to do
some work I have in VS.NET 2005 and for installing Reporting Services. So,
I'm going to upgrade to Vista Ultimate. Vista Premium IIS 7.0 is LIMITED.
Major bummer!

My question is whether I need the 64 bit version. I am basically a devloper
who will develop C# web apps and will host my own Reporting Services site on
my laptop and SQL Server stuff with SSIS, SSAS and SSRS. I'll eventualy end
up on the next release of SQL Server (coming out next year), and I'm sure
I'll end up working with 3.0 and the new VS.NET that is in Beta.

So should I risk having some devices of mine not working and get the 64 bit
because evenutaly I'll HAVE to go 64, or will 32 do just fine?

I'd have asked elsewhere, but I thought a community of developers would best
know what we need, ya know?

Thanks,
Keith
 

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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

If you purchase Ultimate retail, both a 32 bit and 64 bit DVD are
included, so a choice of which to purchase is not really not
necessary.

Also see:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/vistaget.htm

I do not think the same is true for OEM.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"greenmtnsun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Hi all,
>
> I am an IT professional who made a small mistake when purchasing my
> new
> laptop. I have a 64 bit dual core processor with Vista premium and
> found out
> that I needed IIS 7.0 that included Windows Authentification in
> order to do
> some work I have in VS.NET 2005 and for installing Reporting
> Services. So,
> I'm going to upgrade to Vista Ultimate. Vista Premium IIS 7.0 is
> LIMITED.
> Major bummer!
>
> My question is whether I need the 64 bit version. I am basically a
> devloper
> who will develop C# web apps and will host my own Reporting Services
> site on
> my laptop and SQL Server stuff with SSIS, SSAS and SSRS. I'll
> eventualy end
> up on the next release of SQL Server (coming out next year), and I'm
> sure
> I'll end up working with 3.0 and the new VS.NET that is in Beta.
>
> So should I risk having some devices of mine not working and get the
> 64 bit
> because evenutaly I'll HAVE to go 64, or will 32 do just fine?
>
> I'd have asked elsewhere, but I thought a community of developers
> would best
> know what we need, ya know?
>
> Thanks,
> Keith
 

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greenmtnsun

They actually made it more complicated than that.

I think I have finally figured out why I was so confused.

Ok, so I purchased a Dell computer with Vista Premium. I got a Vista Premium
install disc for 32, but not 64 and NO Vista Anytime Upgrade disc.

I look at the online offerings and I see two things that are confusing as
anything, although I've figured it out.

Microsoft has a DIFFERENT "anytime upgrade" path to purchase a "key" for
Vista Ultimate for either 32 or 64 when upgrading from PREMIUM. The problem
is that it APPEARS to be for one or the other, either 32 or 64. You're right
though, its available for both.

You then need the Anytime Upgrade disc for both though. Dell didn't give
either to me, so I had to order one, in this case I've ordered 32 and 64 in
case I choose to go to 64 later on. So you really can have either.

The problem is that the shrink wrap Vista Upgrade is NOT the same, its
overkill and more money for my situation. You can't even go in the store and
buy what I am referring to, its only online.

So because I was ordering the upgrade from Premium to Ultimate, it doesn't
come with the box, as there is NO BOX. It only comes as a sort of "key" that
you download, and its ONLY useful if you then either have the ANYTIME disc,
or purchase one from MS or some other reseller.

When I purchased my key, I had no idea I needed the other disc too. In my
opinion its a mess. They made it confusing.

I honestly think they need to reconsider the way they do this. Apple is
going to make them look like a fool with that comercial.

Thanks for your help, I'm all set,
Keith

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> If you purchase Ultimate retail, both a 32 bit and 64 bit DVD are
> included, so a choice of which to purchase is not really not
> necessary.
>
> Also see:
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/vistaget.htm
>
> I do not think the same is true for OEM.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "greenmtnsun" <greenmtn[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am an IT professional who made a small mistake when purchasing my
> > new
> > laptop. I have a 64 bit dual core processor with Vista premium and
> > found out
> > that I needed IIS 7.0 that included Windows Authentification in
> > order to do
> > some work I have in VS.NET 2005 and for installing Reporting
> > Services. So,
> > I'm going to upgrade to Vista Ultimate. Vista Premium IIS 7.0 is
> > LIMITED.
> > Major bummer!
> >
> > My question is whether I need the 64 bit version. I am basically a
> > devloper
> > who will develop C# web apps and will host my own Reporting Services
> > site on
> > my laptop and SQL Server stuff with SSIS, SSAS and SSRS. I'll
> > eventualy end
> > up on the next release of SQL Server (coming out next year), and I'm
> > sure
> > I'll end up working with 3.0 and the new VS.NET that is in Beta.
> >
> > So should I risk having some devices of mine not working and get the
> > 64 bit
> > because evenutaly I'll HAVE to go 64, or will 32 do just fine?
> >
> > I'd have asked elsewhere, but I thought a community of developers
> > would best
> > know what we need, ya know?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Keith

>
>
 

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Chris Mullins [MVP]

Re: They actually made it more complicated than that.

I went through a very similar problem recently - I spent (literally) hours
trying to figure out which version of Vista to go with. It's absolutly,
positivly, insane. In the end I said, "screw this" and went with Vista
Ultimate.

.... if I, as a legit expert in the field of Microsoft Based Stuff, am having
a hard time, I can't even begin to figure out how a normal person is going
to do it.

The Apple add, "Wheel of Vista" is just... dead on. Made me laugh out
loud...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMLoLrs2bvM

--
Chris Mullins, MCSD.NET, MCPD:Enterprise, Microsoft C# MVP
http://www.coversant.com/blogs/cmullins

"greenmtnsun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>I think I have finally figured out why I was so confused.
>
> Ok, so I purchased a Dell computer with Vista Premium. I got a Vista
> Premium
> install disc for 32, but not 64 and NO Vista Anytime Upgrade disc.
>
> I look at the online offerings and I see two things that are confusing as
> anything, although I've figured it out.
>
> Microsoft has a DIFFERENT "anytime upgrade" path to purchase a "key" for
> Vista Ultimate for either 32 or 64 when upgrading from PREMIUM. The
> problem
> is that it APPEARS to be for one or the other, either 32 or 64. You're
> right
> though, its available for both.
>
> You then need the Anytime Upgrade disc for both though. Dell didn't give
> either to me, so I had to order one, in this case I've ordered 32 and 64
> in
> case I choose to go to 64 later on. So you really can have either.
>
> The problem is that the shrink wrap Vista Upgrade is NOT the same, its
> overkill and more money for my situation. You can't even go in the store
> and
> buy what I am referring to, its only online.
>
> So because I was ordering the upgrade from Premium to Ultimate, it doesn't
> come with the box, as there is NO BOX. It only comes as a sort of "key"
> that
> you download, and its ONLY useful if you then either have the ANYTIME
> disc,
> or purchase one from MS or some other reseller.
>
> When I purchased my key, I had no idea I needed the other disc too. In my
> opinion its a mess. They made it confusing.
>
> I honestly think they need to reconsider the way they do this. Apple is
> going to make them look like a fool with that comercial.
>
> Thanks for your help, I'm all set,
> Keith
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> If you purchase Ultimate retail, both a 32 bit and 64 bit DVD are
>> included, so a choice of which to purchase is not really not
>> necessary.
>>
>> Also see:
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/vistaget.htm
>>
>> I do not think the same is true for OEM.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "greenmtnsun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I am an IT professional who made a small mistake when purchasing my
>> > new
>> > laptop. I have a 64 bit dual core processor with Vista premium and
>> > found out
>> > that I needed IIS 7.0 that included Windows Authentification in
>> > order to do
>> > some work I have in VS.NET 2005 and for installing Reporting
>> > Services. So,
>> > I'm going to upgrade to Vista Ultimate. Vista Premium IIS 7.0 is
>> > LIMITED.
>> > Major bummer!
>> >
>> > My question is whether I need the 64 bit version. I am basically a
>> > devloper
>> > who will develop C# web apps and will host my own Reporting Services
>> > site on
>> > my laptop and SQL Server stuff with SSIS, SSAS and SSRS. I'll
>> > eventualy end
>> > up on the next release of SQL Server (coming out next year), and I'm
>> > sure
>> > I'll end up working with 3.0 and the new VS.NET that is in Beta.
>> >
>> > So should I risk having some devices of mine not working and get the
>> > 64 bit
>> > because evenutaly I'll HAVE to go 64, or will 32 do just fine?
>> >
>> > I'd have asked elsewhere, but I thought a community of developers
>> > would best
>> > know what we need, ya know?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Keith

>>
>>
 

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semick

New Member
I have sucessfully installed vista home premium on my compaq presario F750US laptop (amd Athalon X2 processor). Basically I downloaded the 64 bit vista home premium as a torrent and verified the MD5 checksum to make sure it was unaltered. Then i installed it on my laptop, worked like a charm.

I had to activate with Microsoft over the phone and the lady said it was not a problem what I had done that my OEM home premium key was perfectly valid with the 64 bit version I had installed.

Visual Studio 2008 plays well with vista x64. IIS 7.0 installs well too. The 64 bit versions of Internet Explorer and Firefix (must go outside firefox to get this) work well also, BUT you will run into a problem. JRE and flash aren't available for 64 bit browsers yet. So I have Regular and 64 bit versions of browsers installed in case I need to go to a java-enabled page or a flash enabled page.

Well let me clarify the JRE IS available, but it doesn't have browser plugins as of this date. It is hard enough to find the 64 bit Windows JRE, you must go under other versions off the main page and click around a bit.

All my device drivers, including my samsung cell phone cable, audio, video, and many codecs for multimedia I found in 64 bit flavor. I had to get divx though over xvid becuase xvid isn't available in 64 bit yet. So for the most part you can run anything you want that is 32 bit using WOW (Windows on Windows) technology.

As far as SQL Server Express 2005, that is only available 32 bit, but not a big deal for a development laptop.

I've got the 64 bit ultra vnc installed. This works very well (104 RC 13)

Also I downloaded the avast 64 bit antivirus, it seems to be running well but part of it is still 32 bit.

That's all the little caveats I could think of so far. So far I am very satisfied overall. Soon, everything will be 64 bit, I'm glad I took the plunge now.

Scott Emick
Euclid Friendly Computer Service
 

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lakelbm

vista is just gay. its the most hopless thing ever. untill they fix it.u cant
do nething with it. but btw. this is just for school. so u dont have to wory
to much. but this is just what i think on the topic. so yea.

"semick" wrote:

>
> I have sucessfully installed vista home premium on my compaq presario
> F750US laptop (amd Athalon X2 processor). Basically I downloaded the 64
> bit vista home premium as a torrent and verified the MD5 checksum to
> make sure it was unaltered. Then i installed it on my laptop, worked
> like a charm.
>
> I had to activate with Microsoft over the phone and the lady said it
> was not a problem what I had done that my OEM home premium key was
> perfectly valid with the 64 bit version I had installed.
>
> Visual Studio 2008 plays well with vista x64. IIS 7.0 installs well
> too. The 64 bit versions of Internet Explorer and Firefix (must go
> outside firefox to get this) work well also, BUT you will run into a
> problem. JRE and flash aren't available for 64 bit browsers yet. So I
> have Regular and 64 bit versions of browsers installed in case I need to
> go to a java-enabled page or a flash enabled page.
>
> Well let me clarify the JRE IS available, but it doesn't have browser
> plugins as of this date. It is hard enough to find the 64 bit Windows
> JRE, you must go under other versions off the main page and click around
> a bit.
>
> All my device drivers, including my samsung cell phone cable, audio,
> video, and many codecs for multimedia I found in 64 bit flavor. I had
> to get divx though over xvid becuase xvid isn't available in 64 bit yet.
> So for the most part you can run anything you want that is 32 bit using
> WOW (Windows on Windows) technology.
>
> As far as SQL Server Express 2005, that is only available 32 bit, but
> not a big deal for a development laptop.
>
> I've got the 64 bit ultra vnc installed. This works very well (104 RC
> 13)
>
> Also I downloaded the avast 64 bit antivirus, it seems to be running
> well but part of it is still 32 bit.
>
> That's all the little caveats I could think of so far. So far I am
> very satisfied overall. Soon, everything will be 64 bit, I'm glad I
> took the plunge now.
>
> Scott Emick
> 'Euclid Friendly Computer Service' (http://efcs.webhop.biz)
>
>
> --
> semick
>
 

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semick

New Member
I'm SOOOOO happy. I got my 4 GB Corsair SODIMM's from NewEgg yesterday and installed them. I have 4 GB Total available now and man does my notebook fly now.

And I can say after a while that about 93% of the software I use works on Vista 64 bit. The only real problem I have had after all this time is with developing an access 2.0 app. That won't run at all in Vista, but with my 4 GB of memory I can just work on it in Windows 98 inside a VMWare virtual machine.

Scott Emick
 

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