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Acronis Disk Director 10

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pvdg42

#1
I've seen several references to the subject product here, indicating that,
unlike Partition Magic, ADD properly sees and can deal with Vista
partitions?

I was about to purchase ADD 10, but asked their rep if ADD 10 supports Vista
and got the response:

"There is no Vista support at this time".

So what is the experience?

Can ADD 10 be installed in / work from within Vista, or will it work only if
installed from XP and then can see/manipulate a Vista partition on the same
machine?
 

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JackM

#2
Neither Director or true image work within Vista, so your advice from Acronis
is correct. However, if you dual boot from XP or XPx64, you can use both
programs to "see" Vista partitions and folders. True Image has a problem
during restore if used this way, but have used Director from XPx64 and had no
problems.

Good luck. Incidentally, IMHO the only way to install Vista when it comes
out is in dual boot with either XPx86 or XPx64. You can use XP programs
within this OS to effect changes within Vista without the compatibility
problems. Be warned - some MS sources say that one should not run XP (any
version) with Vista. No explanation given. I have been running all Vista
versions with both XP's in dual boot for a year now without any problems.

"pvdg42" wrote:

> I've seen several references to the subject product here, indicating that,
> unlike Partition Magic, ADD properly sees and can deal with Vista
> partitions?
>
> I was about to purchase ADD 10, but asked their rep if ADD 10 supports Vista
> and got the response:
>
> "There is no Vista support at this time".
>
> So what is the experience?
>
> Can ADD 10 be installed in / work from within Vista, or will it work only if
> installed from XP and then can see/manipulate a Vista partition on the same
> machine?
>
>
>
>
 

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John Barnett MVP

#3
True Image 10 does work with Vista, i'm using it now. Director,
unfortunately, doesn't currently work with Vista, but it will work with a
dual boot system from windows XP.

--
John Barnett MVP
Associate Expert
Windows Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for
any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
mail/post..

"JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F6D4834B-DB40-4D1F-A13C-66B45E76439C@microsoft.com...
> Neither Director or true image work within Vista, so your advice from
> Acronis
> is correct. However, if you dual boot from XP or XPx64, you can use both
> programs to "see" Vista partitions and folders. True Image has a problem
> during restore if used this way, but have used Director from XPx64 and had
> no
> problems.
>
> Good luck. Incidentally, IMHO the only way to install Vista when it comes
> out is in dual boot with either XPx86 or XPx64. You can use XP programs
> within this OS to effect changes within Vista without the compatibility
> problems. Be warned - some MS sources say that one should not run XP (any
> version) with Vista. No explanation given. I have been running all Vista
> versions with both XP's in dual boot for a year now without any problems.
>
> "pvdg42" wrote:
>
>> I've seen several references to the subject product here, indicating
>> that,
>> unlike Partition Magic, ADD properly sees and can deal with Vista
>> partitions?
>>
>> I was about to purchase ADD 10, but asked their rep if ADD 10 supports
>> Vista
>> and got the response:
>>
>> "There is no Vista support at this time".
>>
>> So what is the experience?
>>
>> Can ADD 10 be installed in / work from within Vista, or will it work only
>> if
>> installed from XP and then can see/manipulate a Vista partition on the
>> same
>> machine?
>>
>>
>>
>>
 

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Colin Barnhorst

#4
Don't dual boot XP and Vista unless you can hide the Vista partitions from
XP's VSS driver, volsnap.sys. If you don't you will lose Vista's VSS files,
such as system restore points, every time you boot XP (except in Safe Mode).

"JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F6D4834B-DB40-4D1F-A13C-66B45E76439C@microsoft.com...
> Neither Director or true image work within Vista, so your advice from
> Acronis
> is correct. However, if you dual boot from XP or XPx64, you can use both
> programs to "see" Vista partitions and folders. True Image has a problem
> during restore if used this way, but have used Director from XPx64 and had
> no
> problems.
>
> Good luck. Incidentally, IMHO the only way to install Vista when it comes
> out is in dual boot with either XPx86 or XPx64. You can use XP programs
> within this OS to effect changes within Vista without the compatibility
> problems. Be warned - some MS sources say that one should not run XP (any
> version) with Vista. No explanation given. I have been running all Vista
> versions with both XP's in dual boot for a year now without any problems.
>
> "pvdg42" wrote:
>
 

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Bill Frisbee

#5
Thats not true.

TrueImage 10.x most assuredly supports Vista.


Bill F.

"JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F6D4834B-DB40-4D1F-A13C-66B45E76439C@microsoft.com...
> Neither Director or true image work within Vista, so your advice from
> Acronis
> is correct. However, if you dual boot from XP or XPx64, you can use both
> programs to "see" Vista partitions and folders. True Image has a problem
> during restore if used this way, but have used Director from XPx64 and had
> no
> problems.
>
> Good luck. Incidentally, IMHO the only way to install Vista when it comes
> out is in dual boot with either XPx86 or XPx64. You can use XP programs
> within this OS to effect changes within Vista without the compatibility
> problems. Be warned - some MS sources say that one should not run XP (any
> version) with Vista. No explanation given. I have been running all Vista
> versions with both XP's in dual boot for a year now without any problems.
>
> "pvdg42" wrote:
>
>> I've seen several references to the subject product here, indicating
>> that,
>> unlike Partition Magic, ADD properly sees and can deal with Vista
>> partitions?
>>
>> I was about to purchase ADD 10, but asked their rep if ADD 10 supports
>> Vista
>> and got the response:
>>
>> "There is no Vista support at this time".
>>
>> So what is the experience?
>>
>> Can ADD 10 be installed in / work from within Vista, or will it work only
>> if
>> installed from XP and then can see/manipulate a Vista partition on the
>> same
>> machine?
>>
>>
>>
>>
 

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John Barnett MVP

#6
Colin i decided to hide the Vista partition from XP and, having used Vista
for a week or so, had accumulated quite a few restore points. Then i had to
use the Windows XP operating system to update the sophos anti virus. Imagine
my surprise whne i rebooted to Vista to find that all of the system restore
points had been erased. Maybe it's just my PC, but i don't think hiding the
Vista partition from XP is a reliable way of preventing the loss of system
restore points.

--
John Barnett MVP
Associate Expert
Windows Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for
any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
mail/post..

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:93C9096D-7E86-47F0-B30A-6B6A9D38EA5A@microsoft.com...
> Don't dual boot XP and Vista unless you can hide the Vista partitions from
> XP's VSS driver, volsnap.sys. If you don't you will lose Vista's VSS
> files, such as system restore points, every time you boot XP (except in
> Safe Mode).
>
> "JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F6D4834B-DB40-4D1F-A13C-66B45E76439C@microsoft.com...
>> Neither Director or true image work within Vista, so your advice from
>> Acronis
>> is correct. However, if you dual boot from XP or XPx64, you can use both
>> programs to "see" Vista partitions and folders. True Image has a problem
>> during restore if used this way, but have used Director from XPx64 and
>> had no
>> problems.
>>
>> Good luck. Incidentally, IMHO the only way to install Vista when it comes
>> out is in dual boot with either XPx86 or XPx64. You can use XP programs
>> within this OS to effect changes within Vista without the compatibility
>> problems. Be warned - some MS sources say that one should not run XP
>> (any
>> version) with Vista. No explanation given. I have been running all Vista
>> versions with both XP's in dual boot for a year now without any problems.
>>
>> "pvdg42" wrote:
>>

>
 

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Colin Barnhorst

#7
Thanks for updating us. That's bad news. I guess the general advice has to
be not to dual boot Vista and XP. Perhaps Disk Director just needs more
work. As a work around, I don't suppose Sophos runs in Safe Mode, does it?
Safe Mode does not harm the Vista files.

You may need to set a Vista restore point manually to get SR going again.

"John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
news:eRLLzDgJHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Colin i decided to hide the Vista partition from XP and, having used Vista
> for a week or so, had accumulated quite a few restore points. Then i had
> to use the Windows XP operating system to update the sophos anti virus.
> Imagine my surprise whne i rebooted to Vista to find that all of the
> system restore points had been erased. Maybe it's just my PC, but i don't
> think hiding the Vista partition from XP is a reliable way of preventing
> the loss of system restore points.
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Associate Expert
> Windows Shell/User
>
 

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John Barnett MVP

#8
Colin, I have hidden the Vista partition from XP on my dual boot, but i have
noticed that when i go back to using windows XP and then reboot to Vista the
restore points always disappear. I'm beginning to wonder if hiding the Vista
partition is a satisfactory way of preventing the loss of Vista restore
points. I haven't yet tried bitlocker so i'm not sure whether this will be a
suitable alternative for those using premium and ultimate versions of vista.

--
John Barnett MVP
Associate Expert
Windows Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for
any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
mail/post..


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:93C9096D-7E86-47F0-B30A-6B6A9D38EA5A@microsoft.com...
> Don't dual boot XP and Vista unless you can hide the Vista partitions from
> XP's VSS driver, volsnap.sys. If you don't you will lose Vista's VSS
> files, such as system restore points, every time you boot XP (except in
> Safe Mode).
>
> "JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F6D4834B-DB40-4D1F-A13C-66B45E76439C@microsoft.com...
>> Neither Director or true image work within Vista, so your advice from
>> Acronis
>> is correct. However, if you dual boot from XP or XPx64, you can use both
>> programs to "see" Vista partitions and folders. True Image has a problem
>> during restore if used this way, but have used Director from XPx64 and
>> had no
>> problems.
>>
>> Good luck. Incidentally, IMHO the only way to install Vista when it comes
>> out is in dual boot with either XPx86 or XPx64. You can use XP programs
>> within this OS to effect changes within Vista without the compatibility
>> problems. Be warned - some MS sources say that one should not run XP
>> (any
>> version) with Vista. No explanation given. I have been running all Vista
>> versions with both XP's in dual boot for a year now without any problems.
>>
>> "pvdg42" wrote:
>>

>
 

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Colin Barnhorst

#9
Those in the TechBeta who used BitLocker were able to avoid the problem.
Disk Director may not be working right with Vista yet. Hiding the partition
will work. The problem is doing it. After the holidays do you plan on
asking Acronis about this? I have the Acronis software too, through the
same program you do, but I have not used the Disk Director.

"John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
news:OZLVnHqJHHA.3872@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Colin, I have hidden the Vista partition from XP on my dual boot, but i
> have noticed that when i go back to using windows XP and then reboot to
> Vista the restore points always disappear. I'm beginning to wonder if
> hiding the Vista partition is a satisfactory way of preventing the loss of
> Vista restore points. I haven't yet tried bitlocker so i'm not sure
> whether this will be a suitable alternative for those using premium and
> ultimate versions of vista.
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Associate Expert
> Windows Shell/User
>
 

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John Barnett MVP

#10
To hide the partition i used TweakUI from the XP partition (obviously
tweakui will not install on vista). This was by far the simplest way of
hiding the partitions. Of course disk director is not the only application
in my arsenal, so i'm not relying upon disk director to solely manage my
partitions. I have reviewed a lot of Paragon software on my xp website
http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org which has proved more than capable of
imaging, partitioning, extending, shrinking, hiding,etc. Unfortunately, at
the moment, Paragon does not support Vista, although Vista capable copies of
their software will be made available. I would probably imagine they would
start sending me copies of the Vista capable software sometime in january.

I can make enquiries at Acronis regarding Disk Director and see what they
have to say, but i would imagine a vista capable edition is not far off. in
which case the answer i get back will be more like 'watch this space' :-)

--
John Barnett MVP
Associate Expert
Windows Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for
any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
mail/post..

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:6329E467-9BD7-4577-A02C-990593C8B169@microsoft.com...
> Those in the TechBeta who used BitLocker were able to avoid the problem.
> Disk Director may not be working right with Vista yet. Hiding the
> partition will work. The problem is doing it. After the holidays do you
> plan on asking Acronis about this? I have the Acronis software too,
> through the same program you do, but I have not used the Disk Director.
>
> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:OZLVnHqJHHA.3872@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Colin, I have hidden the Vista partition from XP on my dual boot, but i
>> have noticed that when i go back to using windows XP and then reboot to
>> Vista the restore points always disappear. I'm beginning to wonder if
>> hiding the Vista partition is a satisfactory way of preventing the loss
>> of Vista restore points. I haven't yet tried bitlocker so i'm not sure
>> whether this will be a suitable alternative for those using premium and
>> ultimate versions of vista.
>>
>> --
>> John Barnett MVP
>> Associate Expert
>> Windows Shell/User
>>

>
 

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JackM

#11
Thanks, all, for correcting me on True Image 10 and Vista. Meant 9.xx in my
original post, had not realized that 10 was available.

Colin: Your info on volsnap was indeed correct (as usual), as I had not been
using Vista system restore. Hiding the file is a problem, but found out
during a reinstall of a saved Vista backup, that the backup is also affected,
which resulted in a clean install. Simply stated - stay away from restore and
backup (files & etc) in Vista if using dual boot with XPx64 and XP.

"Bill Frisbee" wrote:

> Thats not true.
>
> TrueImage 10.x most assuredly supports Vista.
>
>
> Bill F.
>
> "JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F6D4834B-DB40-4D1F-A13C-66B45E76439C@microsoft.com...
> > Neither Director or true image work within Vista, so your advice from
> > Acronis
> > is correct. However, if you dual boot from XP or XPx64, you can use both
> > programs to "see" Vista partitions and folders. True Image has a problem
> > during restore if used this way, but have used Director from XPx64 and had
> > no
> > problems.
> >
> > Good luck. Incidentally, IMHO the only way to install Vista when it comes
> > out is in dual boot with either XPx86 or XPx64. You can use XP programs
> > within this OS to effect changes within Vista without the compatibility
> > problems. Be warned - some MS sources say that one should not run XP (any
> > version) with Vista. No explanation given. I have been running all Vista
> > versions with both XP's in dual boot for a year now without any problems.
> >
> > "pvdg42" wrote:
> >
> >> I've seen several references to the subject product here, indicating
> >> that,
> >> unlike Partition Magic, ADD properly sees and can deal with Vista
> >> partitions?
> >>
> >> I was about to purchase ADD 10, but asked their rep if ADD 10 supports
> >> Vista
> >> and got the response:
> >>
> >> "There is no Vista support at this time".
> >>
> >> So what is the experience?
> >>
> >> Can ADD 10 be installed in / work from within Vista, or will it work only
> >> if
> >> installed from XP and then can see/manipulate a Vista partition on the
> >> same
> >> machine?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
 

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John Barnes

#12
Same problem with Ghost. Soon as you boot into XP the restore points are
wiped and you can't backup what isn't there.

"JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EF7BCB21-19AE-435D-BBF0-FB0ACF6C797C@microsoft.com...
> Thanks, all, for correcting me on True Image 10 and Vista. Meant 9.xx in
> my
> original post, had not realized that 10 was available.
>
> Colin: Your info on volsnap was indeed correct (as usual), as I had not
> been
> using Vista system restore. Hiding the file is a problem, but found out
> during a reinstall of a saved Vista backup, that the backup is also
> affected,
> which resulted in a clean install. Simply stated - stay away from restore
> and
> backup (files & etc) in Vista if using dual boot with XPx64 and XP.
>
> "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>
>> Thats not true.
>>
>> TrueImage 10.x most assuredly supports Vista.
>>
>>
>> Bill F.
>>
>> "JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:F6D4834B-DB40-4D1F-A13C-66B45E76439C@microsoft.com...
>> > Neither Director or true image work within Vista, so your advice from
>> > Acronis
>> > is correct. However, if you dual boot from XP or XPx64, you can use
>> > both
>> > programs to "see" Vista partitions and folders. True Image has a
>> > problem
>> > during restore if used this way, but have used Director from XPx64 and
>> > had
>> > no
>> > problems.
>> >
>> > Good luck. Incidentally, IMHO the only way to install Vista when it
>> > comes
>> > out is in dual boot with either XPx86 or XPx64. You can use XP
>> > programs
>> > within this OS to effect changes within Vista without the compatibility
>> > problems. Be warned - some MS sources say that one should not run XP
>> > (any
>> > version) with Vista. No explanation given. I have been running all
>> > Vista
>> > versions with both XP's in dual boot for a year now without any
>> > problems.
>> >
>> > "pvdg42" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I've seen several references to the subject product here, indicating
>> >> that,
>> >> unlike Partition Magic, ADD properly sees and can deal with Vista
>> >> partitions?
>> >>
>> >> I was about to purchase ADD 10, but asked their rep if ADD 10 supports
>> >> Vista
>> >> and got the response:
>> >>
>> >> "There is no Vista support at this time".
>> >>
>> >> So what is the experience?
>> >>
>> >> Can ADD 10 be installed in / work from within Vista, or will it work
>> >> only
>> >> if
>> >> installed from XP and then can see/manipulate a Vista partition on the
>> >> same
>> >> machine?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>

>>
 

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Colin Barnhorst

#13
Let's hope Pronetworks comes through with an enhancement to VistaBoot Pro
that hides Vista volumes. This is disquieting stuff. If you haven't
already joined me in urging Pronetworks to enhance VBP this way, go to my
thread and add your thoughts.
http://www.pro-networks.org/forum/about86248.html&sid=2180758e1d12802c4c482bdd563ccb9b
We should get proactive on this.

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:%23ZQJvgFKHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Same problem with Ghost. Soon as you boot into XP the restore points are
> wiped and you can't backup what isn't there.
>
> "JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:EF7BCB21-19AE-435D-BBF0-FB0ACF6C797C@microsoft.com...
>> Thanks, all, for correcting me on True Image 10 and Vista. Meant 9.xx in
>> my
>> original post, had not realized that 10 was available.
>>
>> Colin: Your info on volsnap was indeed correct (as usual), as I had not
>> been
>> using Vista system restore. Hiding the file is a problem, but found out
>> during a reinstall of a saved Vista backup, that the backup is also
>> affected,
>> which resulted in a clean install. Simply stated - stay away from restore
>> and
>> backup (files & etc) in Vista if using dual boot with XPx64 and XP.
>>
>> "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>>
>>> Thats not true.
>>>
>>> TrueImage 10.x most assuredly supports Vista.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill F.
>>>
>>> "JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:F6D4834B-DB40-4D1F-A13C-66B45E76439C@microsoft.com...
>>> > Neither Director or true image work within Vista, so your advice from
>>> > Acronis
>>> > is correct. However, if you dual boot from XP or XPx64, you can use
>>> > both
>>> > programs to "see" Vista partitions and folders. True Image has a
>>> > problem
>>> > during restore if used this way, but have used Director from XPx64 and
>>> > had
>>> > no
>>> > problems.
>>> >
>>> > Good luck. Incidentally, IMHO the only way to install Vista when it
>>> > comes
>>> > out is in dual boot with either XPx86 or XPx64. You can use XP
>>> > programs
>>> > within this OS to effect changes within Vista without the
>>> > compatibility
>>> > problems. Be warned - some MS sources say that one should not run XP
>>> > (any
>>> > version) with Vista. No explanation given. I have been running all
>>> > Vista
>>> > versions with both XP's in dual boot for a year now without any
>>> > problems.
>>> >
>>> > "pvdg42" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I've seen several references to the subject product here, indicating
>>> >> that,
>>> >> unlike Partition Magic, ADD properly sees and can deal with Vista
>>> >> partitions?
>>> >>
>>> >> I was about to purchase ADD 10, but asked their rep if ADD 10
>>> >> supports
>>> >> Vista
>>> >> and got the response:
>>> >>
>>> >> "There is no Vista support at this time".
>>> >>
>>> >> So what is the experience?
>>> >>
>>> >> Can ADD 10 be installed in / work from within Vista, or will it work
>>> >> only
>>> >> if
>>> >> installed from XP and then can see/manipulate a Vista partition on
>>> >> the
>>> >> same
>>> >> machine?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>

>
 

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Colin Barnhorst

#14
I agree. I am staying very far away. In fact I am not dual booting XP and
Vista at all, except on my test box.

"JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EF7BCB21-19AE-435D-BBF0-FB0ACF6C797C@microsoft.com...
> Thanks, all, for correcting me on True Image 10 and Vista. Meant 9.xx in
> my
> original post, had not realized that 10 was available.
>
> Colin: Your info on volsnap was indeed correct (as usual), as I had not
> been
> using Vista system restore. Hiding the file is a problem, but found out
> during a reinstall of a saved Vista backup, that the backup is also
> affected,
> which resulted in a clean install. Simply stated - stay away from restore
> and
> backup (files & etc) in Vista if using dual boot with XPx64 and XP.
>
> "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>
>> Thats not true.
>>
>> TrueImage 10.x most assuredly supports Vista.
>>
>>
>> Bill F.
>>
>> "JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:F6D4834B-DB40-4D1F-A13C-66B45E76439C@microsoft.com...
>> > Neither Director or true image work within Vista, so your advice from
>> > Acronis
>> > is correct. However, if you dual boot from XP or XPx64, you can use
>> > both
>> > programs to "see" Vista partitions and folders. True Image has a
>> > problem
>> > during restore if used this way, but have used Director from XPx64 and
>> > had
>> > no
>> > problems.
>> >
>> > Good luck. Incidentally, IMHO the only way to install Vista when it
>> > comes
>> > out is in dual boot with either XPx86 or XPx64. You can use XP
>> > programs
>> > within this OS to effect changes within Vista without the compatibility
>> > problems. Be warned - some MS sources say that one should not run XP
>> > (any
>> > version) with Vista. No explanation given. I have been running all
>> > Vista
>> > versions with both XP's in dual boot for a year now without any
>> > problems.
>> >
>> > "pvdg42" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I've seen several references to the subject product here, indicating
>> >> that,
>> >> unlike Partition Magic, ADD properly sees and can deal with Vista
>> >> partitions?
>> >>
>> >> I was about to purchase ADD 10, but asked their rep if ADD 10 supports
>> >> Vista
>> >> and got the response:
>> >>
>> >> "There is no Vista support at this time".
>> >>
>> >> So what is the experience?
>> >>
>> >> Can ADD 10 be installed in / work from within Vista, or will it work
>> >> only
>> >> if
>> >> installed from XP and then can see/manipulate a Vista partition on the
>> >> same
>> >> machine?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>

>>
 

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GOLDBEAR (aka DCR) added his two cents


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:39ACD067-BD1A-4682-9744-A7A17CC583AF@microsoft.com...
| Let's hope Pronetworks comes through with an enhancement to VistaBoot Pro
| that hides Vista volumes. This is disquieting stuff. If you haven't
| already joined me in urging Pronetworks to enhance VBP this way, go to my
| thread and add your thoughts.
| http://www.pro-networks.org/forum/about86248.html&sid=2180758e1d12802c4c482bdd563ccb9b
| We should get proactive on this.
|
| "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
| news:%23ZQJvgFKHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > Same problem with Ghost. Soon as you boot into XP the restore points are
| > wiped and you can't backup what isn't there.
| >
| > "JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > news:EF7BCB21-19AE-435D-BBF0-FB0ACF6C797C@microsoft.com...
| >> Thanks, all, for correcting me on True Image 10 and Vista. Meant 9.xx in
| >> my
| >> original post, had not realized that 10 was available.
| >>
| >> Colin: Your info on volsnap was indeed correct (as usual), as I had not
| >> been
| >> using Vista system restore. Hiding the file is a problem, but found out
| >> during a reinstall of a saved Vista backup, that the backup is also
| >> affected,
| >> which resulted in a clean install. Simply stated - stay away from restore
| >> and
| >> backup (files & etc) in Vista if using dual boot with XPx64 and XP.
| >>
| >> "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
| >>
| >>> Thats not true.
| >>>
| >>> TrueImage 10.x most assuredly supports Vista.
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> Bill F.
| >>>
| >>> "JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| >>> news:F6D4834B-DB40-4D1F-A13C-66B45E76439C@microsoft.com...
| >>> > Neither Director or true image work within Vista, so your advice from
| >>> > Acronis
| >>> > is correct. However, if you dual boot from XP or XPx64, you can use
| >>> > both
| >>> > programs to "see" Vista partitions and folders. True Image has a
| >>> > problem
| >>> > during restore if used this way, but have used Director from XPx64 and
| >>> > had
| >>> > no
| >>> > problems.
| >>> >
| >>> > Good luck. Incidentally, IMHO the only way to install Vista when it
| >>> > comes
| >>> > out is in dual boot with either XPx86 or XPx64. You can use XP
| >>> > programs
| >>> > within this OS to effect changes within Vista without the
| >>> > compatibility
| >>> > problems. Be warned - some MS sources say that one should not run XP
| >>> > (any
| >>> > version) with Vista. No explanation given. I have been running all
| >>> > Vista
| >>> > versions with both XP's in dual boot for a year now without any
| >>> > problems.
| >>> >
| >>> > "pvdg42" wrote:
| >>> >
| >>> >> I've seen several references to the subject product here, indicating
| >>> >> that,
| >>> >> unlike Partition Magic, ADD properly sees and can deal with Vista
| >>> >> partitions?
| >>> >>
| >>> >> I was about to purchase ADD 10, but asked their rep if ADD 10
| >>> >> supports
| >>> >> Vista
| >>> >> and got the response:
| >>> >>
| >>> >> "There is no Vista support at this time".
| >>> >>
| >>> >> So what is the experience?
| >>> >>
| >>> >> Can ADD 10 be installed in / work from within Vista, or will it work
| >>> >> only
| >>> >> if
| >>> >> installed from XP and then can see/manipulate a Vista partition on
| >>> >> the
| >>> >> same
| >>> >> machine?
| >>> >>
| >>> >>
| >>> >>
| >>> >>
| >>>
| >
|
 

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#16
Done. Thanks.

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:39ACD067-BD1A-4682-9744-A7A17CC583AF@microsoft.com...
> Let's hope Pronetworks comes through with an enhancement to VistaBoot Pro
> that hides Vista volumes. This is disquieting stuff. If you haven't
> already joined me in urging Pronetworks to enhance VBP this way, go to my
> thread and add your thoughts.
> http://www.pro-networks.org/forum/about86248.html&sid=2180758e1d12802c4c482bdd563ccb9b
> We should get proactive on this.
>
> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
> news:%23ZQJvgFKHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Same problem with Ghost. Soon as you boot into XP the restore points are
>> wiped and you can't backup what isn't there.
>>
>> "JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:EF7BCB21-19AE-435D-BBF0-FB0ACF6C797C@microsoft.com...
>>> Thanks, all, for correcting me on True Image 10 and Vista. Meant 9.xx in
>>> my
>>> original post, had not realized that 10 was available.
>>>
>>> Colin: Your info on volsnap was indeed correct (as usual), as I had not
>>> been
>>> using Vista system restore. Hiding the file is a problem, but found out
>>> during a reinstall of a saved Vista backup, that the backup is also
>>> affected,
>>> which resulted in a clean install. Simply stated - stay away from
>>> restore and
>>> backup (files & etc) in Vista if using dual boot with XPx64 and XP.
>>>
>>> "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thats not true.
>>>>
>>>> TrueImage 10.x most assuredly supports Vista.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill F.
>>>>
>>>> "JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:F6D4834B-DB40-4D1F-A13C-66B45E76439C@microsoft.com...
>>>> > Neither Director or true image work within Vista, so your advice from
>>>> > Acronis
>>>> > is correct. However, if you dual boot from XP or XPx64, you can use
>>>> > both
>>>> > programs to "see" Vista partitions and folders. True Image has a
>>>> > problem
>>>> > during restore if used this way, but have used Director from XPx64
>>>> > and had
>>>> > no
>>>> > problems.
>>>> >
>>>> > Good luck. Incidentally, IMHO the only way to install Vista when it
>>>> > comes
>>>> > out is in dual boot with either XPx86 or XPx64. You can use XP
>>>> > programs
>>>> > within this OS to effect changes within Vista without the
>>>> > compatibility
>>>> > problems. Be warned - some MS sources say that one should not run XP
>>>> > (any
>>>> > version) with Vista. No explanation given. I have been running all
>>>> > Vista
>>>> > versions with both XP's in dual boot for a year now without any
>>>> > problems.
>>>> >
>>>> > "pvdg42" wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I've seen several references to the subject product here, indicating
>>>> >> that,
>>>> >> unlike Partition Magic, ADD properly sees and can deal with Vista
>>>> >> partitions?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I was about to purchase ADD 10, but asked their rep if ADD 10
>>>> >> supports
>>>> >> Vista
>>>> >> and got the response:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "There is no Vista support at this time".
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So what is the experience?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Can ADD 10 be installed in / work from within Vista, or will it work
>>>> >> only
>>>> >> if
>>>> >> installed from XP and then can see/manipulate a Vista partition on
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> same
>>>> >> machine?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>

>>

>
 

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John Barnett MVP

#17
As I stated in a previous post TweakUI installed on the XP partition will
allow you to 'hide' the vista partition. But, personally, i don't think
hiding the partition works. Again today i have had to use XP and, again,
after rebooting to Vista, the restore points on Vista have disappeared
again!

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"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
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>I agree. I am staying very far away. In fact I am not dual booting XP and
>Vista at all, except on my test box.
>
> "JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:EF7BCB21-19AE-435D-BBF0-FB0ACF6C797C@microsoft.com...
>> Thanks, all, for correcting me on True Image 10 and Vista. Meant 9.xx in
>> my
>> original post, had not realized that 10 was available.
>>
>> Colin: Your info on volsnap was indeed correct (as usual), as I had not
>> been
>> using Vista system restore. Hiding the file is a problem, but found out
>> during a reinstall of a saved Vista backup, that the backup is also
>> affected,
>> which resulted in a clean install. Simply stated - stay away from restore
>> and
>> backup (files & etc) in Vista if using dual boot with XPx64 and XP.
>>
>> "Bill Frisbee" wrote:
>>
>>> Thats not true.
>>>
>>> TrueImage 10.x most assuredly supports Vista.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill F.
>>>
>>> "JackM" <JackM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:F6D4834B-DB40-4D1F-A13C-66B45E76439C@microsoft.com...
>>> > Neither Director or true image work within Vista, so your advice from
>>> > Acronis
>>> > is correct. However, if you dual boot from XP or XPx64, you can use
>>> > both
>>> > programs to "see" Vista partitions and folders. True Image has a
>>> > problem
>>> > during restore if used this way, but have used Director from XPx64 and
>>> > had
>>> > no
>>> > problems.
>>> >
>>> > Good luck. Incidentally, IMHO the only way to install Vista when it
>>> > comes
>>> > out is in dual boot with either XPx86 or XPx64. You can use XP
>>> > programs
>>> > within this OS to effect changes within Vista without the
>>> > compatibility
>>> > problems. Be warned - some MS sources say that one should not run XP
>>> > (any
>>> > version) with Vista. No explanation given. I have been running all
>>> > Vista
>>> > versions with both XP's in dual boot for a year now without any
>>> > problems.
>>> >
>>> > "pvdg42" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I've seen several references to the subject product here, indicating
>>> >> that,
>>> >> unlike Partition Magic, ADD properly sees and can deal with Vista
>>> >> partitions?
>>> >>
>>> >> I was about to purchase ADD 10, but asked their rep if ADD 10
>>> >> supports
>>> >> Vista
>>> >> and got the response:
>>> >>
>>> >> "There is no Vista support at this time".
>>> >>
>>> >> So what is the experience?
>>> >>
>>> >> Can ADD 10 be installed in / work from within Vista, or will it work
>>> >> only
>>> >> if
>>> >> installed from XP and then can see/manipulate a Vista partition on
>>> >> the
>>> >> same
>>> >> machine?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>

>
 

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Colin Barnhorst

#18
I don't know what to say. You are demostrating that hiding the drive is not
sufficient. However, during TechBeta the testers found out that using a
boot manager like BootItNG http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ did work and
using BitLocker also worked, but nothing else did. Your findings are
terribly important, that's for sure.

"John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
news:eI8qgQSKHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> As I stated in a previous post TweakUI installed on the XP partition will
> allow you to 'hide' the vista partition. But, personally, i don't think
> hiding the partition works. Again today i have had to use XP and, again,
> after rebooting to Vista, the restore points on Vista have disappeared
> again!
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Associate Expert
> Windows Shell/User
>
 

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John Barnett MVP

#19
Then perhaps the problem lies with the Vista boot menu? I'm certainly not
using BootItNG i'm only using the standard windows dual boot menu. But, as i
say, boot to XP and then back to Vista and 'boom' all restore points
disappear.

As i have a copy of Acronis Disk Director on my XP drive, i might use
TweakUI to 'unhide' the partition and then use Disk Director to hide it and
see if that makes any difference. I don't think it will, but i'll give it a
try.

Colin i bugged, like many other, the problem of disappearing restore points
during the beta test ( and this was bugged on every single build) . All i
got in reply was 'this will not be fixed'

Okay, they haven't fixed it, but i believe Microsoft have a duty to the
people who buy Vista to provide a work around fort hose that dual boot. Not
everyone can afford Enterpise and Ultimate, so they can forget Bitlocker.
What people need is a solid, realiable, workaround that works; not something
that's hit or miss! Is anyone from Microsoft listening? I doubt it!

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Windows Shell/User

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"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:ABD19858-6062-4E14-9D6E-0EC07A05E7C9@microsoft.com...
>I don't know what to say. You are demostrating that hiding the drive is
>not sufficient. However, during TechBeta the testers found out that using
>a boot manager like BootItNG http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ did work and
>using BitLocker also worked, but nothing else did. Your findings are
>terribly important, that's for sure.
>
> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:eI8qgQSKHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> As I stated in a previous post TweakUI installed on the XP partition will
>> allow you to 'hide' the vista partition. But, personally, i don't think
>> hiding the partition works. Again today i have had to use XP and, again,
>> after rebooting to Vista, the restore points on Vista have disappeared
>> again!
>>
>> --
>> John Barnett MVP
>> Associate Expert
>> Windows Shell/User
>>

>
 

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John Barnes

#20
If he has to go into XP to hide the drive, XP would have already deleted the
RP's.

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:ABD19858-6062-4E14-9D6E-0EC07A05E7C9@microsoft.com...
>I don't know what to say. You are demostrating that hiding the drive is
>not sufficient. However, during TechBeta the testers found out that using
>a boot manager like BootItNG http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/ did work and
>using BitLocker also worked, but nothing else did. Your findings are
>terribly important, that's for sure.
>
> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:eI8qgQSKHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> As I stated in a previous post TweakUI installed on the XP partition will
>> allow you to 'hide' the vista partition. But, personally, i don't think
>> hiding the partition works. Again today i have had to use XP and, again,
>> after rebooting to Vista, the restore points on Vista have disappeared
>> again!
>>
>> --
>> John Barnett MVP
>> Associate Expert
>> Windows Shell/User
>>

>
 

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