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Copy an ide hard disk

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Scott

#1
I have a desktop pc that is using sata hard disks. I would like to copy an
ide hard disk to a larger one using the desktop pc. Is there any idea to
accomplish it?

Thanks,

Scott
 

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R. C. White

#3
Hi, Scott.

Depending on the many facts you didn't tell us, it can be as simple as using
Windows Explorer's Copy command - or as complex as a third-party
application, as Malke said.

If this is your only disk on your only PC, then follow her instructions. If
you have multiple drives and are dual-booting several Windows versions, post
back with more details and we'll try to help.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@xxxxxx
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100

"Scott" <NoSpam-Scott.Xe@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> I have a desktop pc that is using sata hard disks. I would like to copy
> an ide hard disk to a larger one using the desktop pc. Is there any idea
> to accomplish it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
 

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Dominic Payer

#4
If you open the case there may be a spare IDE connector, or you could
temporarily disconnect any IDE optical drives.

Otherwise, you need an external USB to IDE adaptor or a USB/IDE external
enclosure if you want repeat access to the drive.


On 27/06/2009 12:32, Scott wrote:

> I have a desktop pc that is using sata hard disks. I would like to copy
> an ide hard disk to a larger one using the desktop pc. Is there any idea
> to accomplish it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
 

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Scott

#5
"Dominic Payer" <dcp@xxxxxx> 在郵件
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> If you open the case there may be a spare IDE connector, or you could
> temporarily disconnect any IDE optical drives.
>
> Otherwise, you need an external USB to IDE adaptor or a USB/IDE external
> enclosure if you want repeat access to the drive.
>
>
> On 27/06/2009 12:32, Scott wrote:

>> I have a desktop pc that is using sata hard disks. I would like to copy
>> an ide hard disk to a larger one using the desktop pc. Is there any idea
>> to accomplish it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott
Norton Ghost does not support removable media so usb/ide is now workable
solution.

Scott
 

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Scott

#6
"Malke" <malke@xxxxxx> 在郵件
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> Scott wrote:
>

>> I have a desktop pc that is using sata hard disks. I would like to copy
>> an
>> ide hard disk to a larger one using the desktop pc. Is there any idea to
>> accomplish it?
>
> An imaging program will do it. I use Acronis True Image but there are
> others.
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>
I have Norton Ghost but it does not support removable media. How can I
connect the old and new drives with the pc?

Scott
 

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Scott

#7
"R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> 在郵件
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> Hi, Scott.
>
> Depending on the many facts you didn't tell us, it can be as simple as
> using Windows Explorer's Copy command - or as complex as a third-party
> application, as Malke said.
>
> If this is your only disk on your only PC, then follow her instructions.
> If you have multiple drives and are dual-booting several Windows versions,
> post back with more details and we'll try to help.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@xxxxxx
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100
>
> "Scott" <NoSpam-Scott.Xe@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:#ZGxrrx9JHA.200@xxxxxx

>> I have a desktop pc that is using sata hard disks. I would like to copy
>> an ide hard disk to a larger one using the desktop pc. Is there any idea
>> to accomplish it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott
>
Probably, I did not describe the issue clearly. My computer is working on
Vista Premium and support 2 sata drives. Now I need to copy an old ide hard
disk to a larger one for my laptop pc. I cannot do it on my laptop and
think to use my desktop pc. However, I do not have ide drive connection on
my desktop pc and insufficient drives to accomplish the task. Any other
idea?

Scott
 

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Malke

#8
Scott wrote:
Probably, I did not describe the issue clearly. My computer is working on

> Vista Premium and support 2 sata drives. Now I need to copy an old ide
> hard
> disk to a larger one for my laptop pc. I cannot do it on my laptop and
> think to use my desktop pc. However, I do not have ide drive connection
> on
> my desktop pc and insufficient drives to accomplish the task. Any other
> idea?
Suggestions:

1. Put both the IDE drives into USB external drive cases;
2. or attach internally to your computer if you have the connections on your
motherboard;
3. or use SATA-to-IDE adapter(s) to the motherboard;
4. or use a specialized drive adapter(s) like this one:
http://www.newertech.com/products/usb2_adapt.php

If you are using such an old version of Norton Ghost that it won't support
USB, replace it with a modern imaging program that does. I use the
enterprise version of Acronis True Image Echo because I'm a computer tech,
but you can buy the home version of TI for as little as $35. Here are a few
examples:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...rder=BESTMATCH&Description=acronis+true+image

You need the tools to accomplish the job.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
 

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R. C. White

#9
Hi, Scott.

See? A few more details got you a lot more advice. ;^}

I have only one computer and never had a laptop. But since I've been
dual-booting for a decade and beta-tested both Vista and Win7, my several
HDDs have over a dozen partitions and logical drives. So I've had some
experience with copying whole volumes - both data volumes and boot volumes.

My favorite tool for whole-volume copying is Xcopy.exe, even though
Microsoft is replacing it with RoboCopy. Xcopy won't work very well to move
the current boot volume, but it has no qualms about moving the boot volume
for any Windows version that is not the current OS. And, of course, there's
no problem with copying data files. So, if you can arrange the physical
connection of your IDE drive to the intended destination drive, then just
boot into the Windows of your choice (WinXP, Vista, Win7 - doesn't matter)
on any volume other than the targets. Then, open an Administrator:Command
Prompt window and enter:
C:>Xcopy I:\*.* S:\ /c /h /e /r /k

Where C: is your current boot volume, I: is your IDE source volume, and S:
is your SATA target drive. Enter Xcopy /? to see a mini-Help file listing
the parameters available with Xcopy. The ones I've suggested have always
worked for me in copying a complete boot volume. (As you probably know, the
"boot volume" is not the one used to boot the computer, but is the one
holding the boot folder, \Windows, with all the gigabytes of files and
folders for the operating system, as defined in KB 314470, "Definitions for
system volume and boot volume",
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/314470/EN-US/ .)

This should copy the entire volume, but it will NOT copy the MBR and boot
sector, since those are not files. You will need to use disk utilities
(FixMBR, bootcfg. etc.) if you need to deal with those.

And Xcopy is included with every copy of Windows - even Win7 RC. No need to
buy anything else. ;<)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@xxxxxx
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100

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> "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> 在郵件
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>> Hi, Scott.
>>
>> Depending on the many facts you didn't tell us, it can be as simple as
>> using Windows Explorer's Copy command - or as complex as a third-party
>> application, as Malke said.
>>
>> If this is your only disk on your only PC, then follow her instructions.
>> If you have multiple drives and are dual-booting several Windows
>> versions, post back with more details and we'll try to help.
>>
>> RC
>>
>> "Scott" <NoSpam-Scott.Xe@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:#ZGxrrx9JHA.200@xxxxxx

>>> I have a desktop pc that is using sata hard disks. I would like to copy
>>> an ide hard disk to a larger one using the desktop pc. Is there any
>>> idea to accomplish it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Scott
>>
>
> Probably, I did not describe the issue clearly. My computer is working on
> Vista Premium and support 2 sata drives. Now I need to copy an old ide
> hard disk to a larger one for my laptop pc. I cannot do it on my laptop
> and think to use my desktop pc. However, I do not have ide drive
> connection on my desktop pc and insufficient drives to accomplish the
> task. Any other idea?
>
> Scott
 

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Scott

#10
"R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> 在郵件
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> Hi, Scott.
>
> See? A few more details got you a lot more advice. ;^}
>
> I have only one computer and never had a laptop. But since I've been
> dual-booting for a decade and beta-tested both Vista and Win7, my several
> HDDs have over a dozen partitions and logical drives. So I've had some
> experience with copying whole volumes - both data volumes and boot
> volumes.
>
> My favorite tool for whole-volume copying is Xcopy.exe, even though
> Microsoft is replacing it with RoboCopy. Xcopy won't work very well to
> move the current boot volume, but it has no qualms about moving the boot
> volume for any Windows version that is not the current OS. And, of
> course, there's no problem with copying data files. So, if you can
> arrange the physical connection of your IDE drive to the intended
> destination drive, then just boot into the Windows of your choice (WinXP,
> Vista, Win7 - doesn't matter) on any volume other than the targets. Then,
> open an Administrator:Command Prompt window and enter:
> C:>Xcopy I:\*.* S:\ /c /h /e /r /k
>
> Where C: is your current boot volume, I: is your IDE source volume, and S:
> is your SATA target drive. Enter Xcopy /? to see a mini-Help file listing
> the parameters available with Xcopy. The ones I've suggested have always
> worked for me in copying a complete boot volume. (As you probably know,
> the "boot volume" is not the one used to boot the computer, but is the one
> holding the boot folder, \Windows, with all the gigabytes of files and
> folders for the operating system, as defined in KB 314470, "Definitions
> for system volume and boot volume",
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/314470/EN-US/ .)
>
> This should copy the entire volume, but it will NOT copy the MBR and boot
> sector, since those are not files. You will need to use disk utilities
> (FixMBR, bootcfg. etc.) if you need to deal with those.
>
> And Xcopy is included with every copy of Windows - even Win7 RC. No need
> to buy anything else. ;<)
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@xxxxxx
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100
>

Hi RC,

The Xcopy seems very useful. Thank for your advice! However, it cannot
copy the MBR and boot sector, it is important to know it does not fit for my
upgrade to larger hard disk.

Scott
 

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Scott

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"Malke" <malke@xxxxxx> 在郵件
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> Scott wrote:
> Probably, I did not describe the issue clearly. My computer is working on

>> Vista Premium and support 2 sata drives. Now I need to copy an old ide
>> hard
>> disk to a larger one for my laptop pc. I cannot do it on my laptop and
>> think to use my desktop pc. However, I do not have ide drive connection
>> on
>> my desktop pc and insufficient drives to accomplish the task. Any other
>> idea?
>
> Suggestions:
>
> 1. Put both the IDE drives into USB external drive cases;
> 2. or attach internally to your computer if you have the connections on
> your
> motherboard;
> 3. or use SATA-to-IDE adapter(s) to the motherboard;
> 4. or use a specialized drive adapter(s) like this one:
> http://www.newertech.com/products/usb2_adapt.php
>
> If you are using such an old version of Norton Ghost that it won't support
> USB, replace it with a modern imaging program that does. I use the
> enterprise version of Acronis True Image Echo because I'm a computer tech,
> but you can buy the home version of TI for as little as $35. Here are a
> few
> examples:
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...rder=BESTMATCH&Description=acronis+true+image
>
> You need the tools to accomplish the job.
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>
Hi Malke,

Today I tried the trial version of Acronis True Image Echo to upgrade two
hard disks: ide and sata. Unfortunately, both failed.

Acronis True Image Echo does support removable media while Norton Ghost does
not. I tried to clone the hard disk on my laptop computer to an external
hard disk. It failed on the first partion and the error says it cannot read
xxxx sector, retry and ignor all. I am still looking for the way to do it.

I tried the other laptop hard disk. Firstly connect the new hard disk to my
desktop pc. Secondly connect the old on an external USB adapter. The old
disk contains 3 partitions: recovery, os + application & data. The recovery
and OS + application & data partition copy worked fine but failed while
copying the data partition. I installed the half successfully new hard disk
onto the laptop pc. It booted successfully but the data partition becomes
unallocated. I repartition them and copy the data from the old hard disk
and it works.

Acronis True Image Echo is better but seems the successful rate is not high.

Regards,

Scott
 

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Malke

#12
Scott wrote:

> "Malke" <malke@xxxxxx> ???
> news:el0yFn09JHA.200@xxxxxx ???...

>> Scott wrote:
>> Probably, I did not describe the issue clearly. My computer is working
>> on

>>> Vista Premium and support 2 sata drives. Now I need to copy an old ide
>>> hard
>>> disk to a larger one for my laptop pc. I cannot do it on my laptop and
>>> think to use my desktop pc. However, I do not have ide drive connection
>>> on
>>> my desktop pc and insufficient drives to accomplish the task. Any other
>>> idea?
>>
>> Suggestions:
>>
>> 1. Put both the IDE drives into USB external drive cases;
>> 2. or attach internally to your computer if you have the connections on
>> your
>> motherboard;
>> 3. or use SATA-to-IDE adapter(s) to the motherboard;
>> 4. or use a specialized drive adapter(s) like this one:
>> http://www.newertech.com/products/usb2_adapt.php
>>
>> If you are using such an old version of Norton Ghost that it won't
>> support USB, replace it with a modern imaging program that does. I use
>> the enterprise version of Acronis True Image Echo because I'm a computer
>> tech, but you can buy the home version of TI for as little as $35. Here
>> are a few
>> examples:
>>
>>
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...rder=BESTMATCH&Description=acronis+true+image

>>
>> You need the tools to accomplish the job.
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> MS-MVP
>> Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
>>
>
> Hi Malke,
>
> Today I tried the trial version of Acronis True Image Echo to upgrade two
> hard disks: ide and sata. Unfortunately, both failed.
>
> Acronis True Image Echo does support removable media while Norton Ghost
> does
> not. I tried to clone the hard disk on my laptop computer to an external
> hard disk. It failed on the first partion and the error says it cannot
> read
> xxxx sector, retry and ignor all. I am still looking for the way to do
> it.
>
> I tried the other laptop hard disk. Firstly connect the new hard disk to
> my
> desktop pc. Secondly connect the old on an external USB adapter. The old
> disk contains 3 partitions: recovery, os + application & data. The
> recovery and OS + application & data partition copy worked fine but failed
> while
> copying the data partition. I installed the half successfully new hard
> disk
> onto the laptop pc. It booted successfully but the data partition becomes
> unallocated. I repartition them and copy the data from the old hard disk
> and it works.
>
> Acronis True Image Echo is better but seems the successful rate is not
> high.
I don't know why you're having such difficulties. We use TI Echo to clone
drives for clients all the time with no issues - unless the hard drive
being cloned is bad, of course. We usually only clone drives so we can give
the cloned drive to the client to put in storage for an emergency.

My partner and I normally just *image* drives with TI when we want to do
what you are doing. Try creating an *image* of the drive and put it on a
storage drive in an external USB enclosure. Then install your new drive in
the target machine, boot with TI's rescue CD, and apply the image to the
new raw drive instead.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ
 

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