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Dealing with Permissions issues in Vista

Atreyou40

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#1
READ THIS FIRST:

Suggesting the solution to my problem is "Run as Administrator" is not the solution. I appreciate it if you know this, but I am familiar with that, have TRIED that, and it is NOT the solution to my problem.

THE PROBLEM:
I have a 1TB external USB drive.

It shows 210GB free

Now, when I try to add anything new to it, I get a disk space error.

Whether it is downloading from Rapidshare, copying from my "C" drive, etc. The "out of disk space" message was the first indication something was wrong. I know it is mostly music on the HD. The reason I know it is a permissions/administration problem is due to the fact that of the 4 base folders I have on the external drive, when I view the properties, only TWO of the folders report a file size (one 35G, one 40G) while my music folders (spanish and English you know) report ZERO BYTES.

Now - I can browse those folders, and I can play the files, and even delete individual files, but I cannot delete a directory tree (I can only delete the last subdirectory on up).

I checked the security tab for the affected files, and it shows that Administrator accounts have full control of those folders - but there is no checkbox under "special permissions".

I even ran explorer.exe as administrator, and still could NOT get the filesize or number of files in my "musica" directory.

One other peculiar issue that has come up - the recycle bin has 47Gigs of garbage in it that WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT GO AWAY. It doesn't matter if I "empty recycle bin" delete the $Recycle folder, manually try to delete the items in the folder (as administrator or the file owner).

On the advice of someone else on this very forum I ran the SCF. It did find errors and as soon as notepad pulls it together, I'll try to get those for you. The logfile dates back to July 1 of this year, and is 28MB in size. That's a lot of log messages.

After pruning only the relevant logs which started at 11:47 my time this morning...

2009-10-06 11:45:58, Info CBS Loaded Servicing Stack v6.0.6002.18005 with Core: C:\Windows\winsxs\x86_microsoft
-windows-servicingstack_31bf3856ad364e35_6.0.6002.18005_none_0b4ada54c46c45b0\cbscore.dll
2009-10-06 11:45:59, Info CSI 00000001@2009/10/6:16:45:59.096 WcpInitialize (wcp.dll version 0.0.0.5) called (stack
@0x63d38a50 @0x6a5a854e @0x6a5863a1 @0xb1392 @0xb1ed4 @0xb17cb)

and ended with this message in my command box:

Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files but was unable to fix some of th
em.
Details are included in the CBS.Log windir\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For example
C:\Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log

This is pretty much intolerable. It's a blatant OS issue, that has nothing to do with my computer or hard drive, and Microsoft won't support it. So my trimmed logfile is 797k. I can't read that but I did try the beginning and lo and behold I got some messages indicating what can't be repaired:

2009-10-06 11:46:10, Info CSI 00000008 Hashes for file member \SystemRoot\WinSxS\msil_mmcfxcommon_31bf3856ad364e35_6.0.6000.16386_none_5030aedd7affd31c\MMCFxCommon.dll do not match actual file [l:30{15}]"MMCFxCommon.dll" :
Found: {l:32 b:H3n6SiyhUI8NuWGE6ThGtRlNP6khgYJ5BY7ilUtS8CY=} Expected: {l:32 b:Kh/ZL6vPfFjVi3TgH8MwyWo8lJhd1wX49BQ3InKbkEw=}
2009-10-06 11:46:10, Info CSI 00000009 [SR] Cannot repair member file [l:30{15}]"MMCFxCommon.dll" of MMCFxCommon, Version = 6.0.6000.16386, pA = PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE_MSIL (8), Culture neutral, VersionScope = 1 nonSxS, PublicKeyToken = {l:8 b:31bf3856ad364e35}, Type neutral, TypeName neutral, PublicKey neutral in the store, hash mismatch
2009-10-06 11:46:11, Info CSI 0000000a Hashes for file member \SystemRoot\WinSxS\msil_mmcfxcommon_31bf3856ad364e35_6.0.6000.16386_none_5030aedd7affd31c\MMCFxCommon.dll do not match actual file [l:30{15}]"MMCFxCommon.dll" :
Found: {l:32 b:H3n6SiyhUI8NuWGE6ThGtRlNP6khgYJ5BY7ilUtS8CY=} Expected: {l:32 b:Kh/ZL6vPfFjVi3TgH8MwyWo8lJhd1wX49BQ3InKbkEw=}
2009-10-06 11:46:11, Info CSI 0000000b [SR] Cannot repair member file [l:30{15}]"MMCFxCommon.dll" of MMCFxCommon, Version = 6.0.6000.16386, pA = PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE_MSIL (8), Culture neutral, VersionScope = 1 nonSxS, PublicKeyToken = {l:8 b:31bf3856ad364e35}, Type neutral, TypeName neutral, PublicKey neutral in the store, hash mismatch
2009-10-06 11:46:11, Info CSI 0000000c [SR] This component was referenced by [ml:38{19},l:36{18}]"Windows Foundation"
2009-10-06 11:46:12, Info CSI 0000000d Repair results created:

I don't know what that means specifically, but my pathetic public school education does allow me to interpret "Cannot repair member file" as something negative.

OH - and I "ran as administrator" the cmd box.

Anyway, I'm absolutely furious that I can't simply log in as root, or chmod -R 777 G:\ and just get on with life, but I guess that's Microsoft for you.

Does anyone have any clue what on earth I can do to resolve this - even if I purchase another HD and copy these files to it, I KNOW that all of their retarded windows permissions issues will go with them. I am at my wits end.

Thanks for reading my mini-novel.
 

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CrucialHoax

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Atreyou40

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#3
Thanks for the quick reply - I haven't tried what you suggested basically because I'm too busy TOTALLY FREAKING OUT

:mad: WORDS OF WARNING!!!!! :cry:

If you do run SCF, and there are legitimate permissions issues that Windows can't fix, Windows will solve the problem by removing 5 years of neatly organized, labeled and collected images. I had over 80GB of Images collected from many forums, file sharing services, etc... I had literally tagged and organized all of them using ACD_See. Many are backed up on optical media - ~60% but they are not organized, categorized or anything like that. I stil had about 10% unfiled and those loose files were spared. But after running SCF - EVERY SINGLE ONE of my first level sub-directories has vaporized. Gone. Sayonara. Adios. I'm gonna go swallow some razor blades.

I'm going to implement the universal Windows fix for everything (reboot, reconnect, and PRAY) and I hope my directories reappear long enough for me to back them up and then smash this hard drive into a million pieces, not because I think there's anything wrong with it, but because I need to let of some steam.

If you all are interested I'll update complete with photos of the demolished HD.

And if you're wondering what it used to look like:
G:\Visual\
G:\Visual\IMG
G:\Visual\MOV
G:\Visual\IMG\Family
G:\Visual\IMG\Personal
G:\Visual\IMG\Internet Forums
G:\Visual\IMG\House
and many subdirectories of those

Now, it looks like

G:\Visual\IMG and all of the individual unfiled images.

This totally....*can't use the words I really wanna use here* is below average.
 

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Atreyou40

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OH. MY. GOD.

ALL THE MUSIC IS GONE TOO. The base directory is there, but none of the subfolders. Fortunately I have a mirror of those files.

It is actually ok. For now. And the missing files are still there - the drive still shows 210G free, even though I can't see anything, so while I'm hyperventilating, I'm not panicing.
 

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AYF

you might want to try an undelete app.
 

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lemur

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What if you boot the system with Knoppix and try to recover the files that way. I don't know if your files are permanently gone or not.
 

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lemur

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lemur

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Have you scanned for viruses, malware and the like?
 

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lemur

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Also run chkdsk /f, but only after you try to recover your files.
 

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Atreyou40

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Wow. Thanks for so many earnest replies. I did boot up knoppix but I couldn't figure out how to mount the USB drive (because my BIOS hangs on startup with my drives powered on - another problem - I never did see the devices after boot).

In any case, the only change I made after rebooting a couple times, was to re-enable UAC. How stupid is that? I was desperate.

Re-enabling UAC allowed me to see, browse and fully control all the file systems in question.

Solved my recycle bin problem also.

I have been busy copying everything to optical media and am about halfway done.

So I've decided that I'm just gonna fdisk and re-format the drive when I'm done. See if that helps.

Again, thanks for being patient with me, I know I'm a bit of a drama queen. But I at least have my stuff back. For now...
 

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