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Files that won't defragment

#1
Hi -

I'm running Diskeeper 2007 Home on my Windows Vista Home Premium
computer.

No matter how much I defraq the C drive, I can't get to a completely
clear sheet. At best, I'm left with four fragmented files, which are:

Fragments File size Most fragmented files
47 25 MB \$Extend\
$UsnJrnl [Excess Allocation]
12 38 GB \System Volume Information\
{8a35740d-5d35-11dc-a02c-0019dbbb
8f6e}{3808876b-c176-4e48-b7ae-040
46e6cc752}
2 2,816 MB \System Volume Information\
{f63c84e5-5eb5-11dc-b2a1-0019dbbb
8f6e}{3808876b-c176-4e48-b7ae-040
46e6cc752}
1 2,709 MB \System Volume Information\
{b0006328-61e4-11dc-8055-0019dbbb
8f6e}{3808876b-c176-4e48-b7ae-040
46e6cc752}

I've done Boot-time defrags of the Paging File and MFT, but these have
no effect in the fragmentation situation on the C drive.

I've no idea even what or where these fragmented files are!

Any advice as to how I can deal with these will be greatly
appreciated.

TM
 

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N

NT Canuck

#2
TM wrote:

> Hi -
>
> I'm running Diskeeper 2007 Home on my Windows Vista Home Premium
> computer.
>
> No matter how much I defraq the C drive, I can't get to a completely
> clear sheet. At best, I'm left with four fragmented files, which are:
>
> Fragments File size Most fragmented files
> 47 25 MB \$Extend\
> $UsnJrnl [Excess Allocation]
> 12 38 GB \System Volume Information\
> {8a35740d-5d35-11dc-a02c-0019dbbb
> 8f6e}{3808876b-c176-4e48-b7ae-040
> 46e6cc752}
> 2 2,816 MB \System Volume Information\
> {f63c84e5-5eb5-11dc-b2a1-0019dbbb
> 8f6e}{3808876b-c176-4e48-b7ae-040
> 46e6cc752}
> 1 2,709 MB \System Volume Information\
> {b0006328-61e4-11dc-8055-0019dbbb
> 8f6e}{3808876b-c176-4e48-b7ae-040
> 46e6cc752}
>
> I've done Boot-time defrags of the Paging File and MFT, but these have
> no effect in the fragmentation situation on the C drive.
>
> I've no idea even what or where these fragmented files are!
They have todo with vss (volume shadow copy/system restore)
which by default iirc can set aside 15% of total hdd space
for their usage. Some of this will be addressed in SP1
since trying to defragment that area most often leads to
the OS 'protecting' that content by replacing moved files.
It's sort of tough for the OS to know when some outside
(not internal MS) program moves a file that it's not
messing with the OS or file integrity, SP1 should include
some adjustment to make that areas protection less
aggressive. Look in meantime into 'stealth defrag'.

If you disable system restore then likely those areas
will defrag...but you will lose all the restore points.
Best to see if diskeeper has a stealth mode and wait SP1.

> Any advice as to how I can deal with these will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> TM
See above, not much you can do right now except disable
system restore or shrink the reserved space via cmd line.

NT Canuck
'Seek and ye shall find'
 

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#3
Many thanks for that. I don't have a Stealth facility, but at least I
know the problem will sort eventually.

Much appreciated!


TM


On 16 Sep, 11:30, NT Canuck <optional_ntcan...@xxxxxx> wrote:

> TM wrote: >

> > I'm running Diskeeper 2007 Home on my Windows Vista Home Premium
> > computer.
>

> > No matter how much I defraq the C drive, I can't get to a completely
> > clear sheet. At best, I'm left with four fragmented files, which are:
>

> > Fragments File size Most fragmented files
> > 47 25 MB \$Extend\
> > $UsnJrnl [Excess Allocation]
> > 12 38 GB \System Volume Information\
> > {8a35740d-5d35-11dc-a02c-0019dbbb
> > 8f6e}{3808876b-c176-4e48-b7ae-040
> > 46e6cc752}
> > 2 2,816 MB \System Volume Information\
> > {f63c84e5-5eb5-11dc-b2a1-0019dbbb
> > 8f6e}{3808876b-c176-4e48-b7ae-040
> > 46e6cc752}
> > 1 2,709 MB \System Volume Information\
> > {b0006328-61e4-11dc-8055-0019dbbb
> > 8f6e}{3808876b-c176-4e48-b7ae-040
> > 46e6cc752}
>

> > I've done Boot-time defrags of the Paging File and MFT, but these have
> > no effect in the fragmentation situation on the C drive.
>

> > I've no idea even what or where these fragmented files are!
>
> They have todo with vss (volume shadow copy/system restore)
> which by default iirc can set aside 15% of total hdd space
> for their usage. Some of this will be addressed in SP1
> since trying to defragment that area most often leads to
> the OS 'protecting' that content by replacing moved files.
> It's sort of tough for the OS to know when some outside
> (not internal MS) program moves a file that it's not
> messing with the OS or file integrity, SP1 should include
> some adjustment to make that areas protection less
> aggressive. Look in meantime into 'stealth defrag'.
>
> If you disable system restore then likely those areas
> will defrag...but you will lose all the restore points.
> Best to see if diskeeper has a stealth mode and wait SP1.
>

> > Any advice as to how I can deal with these will be greatly
> > appreciated.
> >
> See above, not much you can do right now except disable
> system restore or shrink the reserved space via cmd line.
>
> NT Canuck
> 'Seek and ye shall find'- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
 

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L

Lord Takyon

#4
"TM" <trevormidgley@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1189948631.976099.201330@xxxxxx

> Many thanks for that. I don't have a Stealth facility, but at least I
> know the problem will sort eventually.
>
> Much appreciated!
>
>
> TM
>
>
> On 16 Sep, 11:30, NT Canuck <optional_ntcan...@xxxxxx> wrote:

>> TM wrote:

>> > Hi -
>>

>> > I'm running Diskeeper 2007 Home on my Windows Vista Home Premium
>> > computer.
>>

>> > No matter how much I defraq the C drive, I can't get to a completely
>> > clear sheet. At best, I'm left with four fragmented files, which are:
>>

>> > Fragments File size Most fragmented files
>> > 47 25 MB \$Extend\
>> > $UsnJrnl [Excess Allocation]
>> > 12 38 GB \System Volume Information\
>> > {8a35740d-5d35-11dc-a02c-0019dbbb
>> > 8f6e}{3808876b-c176-4e48-b7ae-040
>> > 46e6cc752}
>> > 2 2,816 MB \System Volume Information\
>> > {f63c84e5-5eb5-11dc-b2a1-0019dbbb
>> > 8f6e}{3808876b-c176-4e48-b7ae-040
>> > 46e6cc752}
>> > 1 2,709 MB \System Volume Information\
>> > {b0006328-61e4-11dc-8055-0019dbbb
>> > 8f6e}{3808876b-c176-4e48-b7ae-040
>> > 46e6cc752}
>>

>> > I've done Boot-time defrags of the Paging File and MFT, but these have
>> > no effect in the fragmentation situation on the C drive.
>>

>> > I've no idea even what or where these fragmented files are!
>>
>> They have todo with vss (volume shadow copy/system restore)
>> which by default iirc can set aside 15% of total hdd space
>> for their usage. Some of this will be addressed in SP1
>> since trying to defragment that area most often leads to
>> the OS 'protecting' that content by replacing moved files.
>> It's sort of tough for the OS to know when some outside
>> (not internal MS) program moves a file that it's not
>> messing with the OS or file integrity, SP1 should include
>> some adjustment to make that areas protection less
>> aggressive. Look in meantime into 'stealth defrag'.
>>
>> If you disable system restore then likely those areas
>> will defrag...but you will lose all the restore points.
>> Best to see if diskeeper has a stealth mode and wait SP1.
>>

>> > Any advice as to how I can deal with these will be greatly
>> > appreciated.
>> >>
>> See above, not much you can do right now except disable
>> system restore or shrink the reserved space via cmd line.
>>
>> NT Canuck
>> 'Seek and ye shall find'- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>

You could, if not needed any more, delete all but the newest restore point.
Also resize the amount of space reserved for System Restore with vssadmin.

You could also switch off system restore then reactivate it, this will
delete all restore points and create one new one that is generally in 1
piece. Alot of it depends on how you use all the recovery features, if you
rely on being able to restore back quite a way then you will just have to
wait for SP1 and hope.

I personally use restore purely as a backup incase anything I am doing
messes things up, I only need to be able to restore back a short time, so my
method works fine for me.

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