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Final release date

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=?Utf-8?B?WkFa?=

#1
Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general public
in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to next
April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?

And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean, we've been
waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?

8-)
 
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#2
Since MS is pushing the RC1 milestone (instead of another beta), I'd say they
are going for January, all they care about is money after all. SP1 for vista
is roughly due around October 2k7.

They won't scrap it. To must money invested, and the media would beat them
senseless (four years between client releases. Business's care about money
and public perception. Wouldn't be the first time MS released a broke OS for
media coverage (WinME). Afterall, how could you release a OS named Millennium
in 2002.

"ZAZ" wrote:

> Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general public
> in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to next
> April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
>
> And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean, we've been
> waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
>
> 8-)
 
P

Paul Smith

#3
"ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7902252B-BE66-45B9-8624-C69226B90FB6@microsoft.com...
> Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general
> public
> in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to next
> April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?


I think Vista is on track for January.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/

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#4
>Afterall, how could you release a OS named Millennium
> in 2002.


2001, I meant, sorry. Though one can debate that the Millennium didn't start
till 2001, instead of 2000.

"M@dhat3rr" wrote:

> Since MS is pushing the RC1 milestone (instead of another beta), I'd say they
> are going for January, all they care about is money after all. SP1 for vista
> is roughly due around October 2k7.
>
> They won't scrap it. To must money invested, and the media would beat them
> senseless (four years between client releases. Business's care about money
> and public perception. Wouldn't be the first time MS released a broke OS for
> media coverage (WinME). Afterall, how could you release a OS named Millennium
> in 2002.
>
> "ZAZ" wrote:
>
> > Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general public
> > in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to next
> > April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
> >
> > And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean, we've been
> > waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
> >
> > 8-)
 
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ArcaneDevil

#5
"scrapped altogether"?...not even an option.

I can definitely see an early 2007 release.

As far as waiting a few years...wasn't Vista due for release this year? So
what have you been waiting a few years on?

"ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7902252B-BE66-45B9-8624-C69226B90FB6@microsoft.com...
> Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general

public
> in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to next
> April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
>
> And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean, we've been
> waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
>
> 8-)
 
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#6
A few misunderstandings...I knew that Vista being scrapped altogether
probably wouldn't happen (huge financial disaster for MS if so), unless the
code was so badly screwed up that it was impossible to deal with. From the
post beta 2 builds, it's obvious that Vista being scrapped is a no no.

Also, Microsoft (from way back) intiallly was to release Vista in 2003, a
release between XP and Blackcomb (now Vienna). Gradually, delays surfaced,
and instead of being a minor release, Vista grew to be a major release. Even
so, numerous features have been dropped. so if you at the original plan, 3
years have passed, and 5 years since XP was released.

"ArcaneDevil" wrote:

> "scrapped altogether"?...not even an option.
>
> I can definitely see an early 2007 release.
>
> As far as waiting a few years...wasn't Vista due for release this year? So
> what have you been waiting a few years on?
>
> "ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7902252B-BE66-45B9-8624-C69226B90FB6@microsoft.com...
> > Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general

> public
> > in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to next
> > April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
> >
> > And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean, we've been
> > waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
> >
> > 8-)

>
>
>
 
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#7
I do want a Jan release, but I also want to underscore the importance of
quality. Hope microsoft didn't forget that a quality product generates more
revenue than a buggy one

"Paul Smith" wrote:

> "ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7902252B-BE66-45B9-8624-C69226B90FB6@microsoft.com...
> > Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general
> > public
> > in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to next
> > April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?

>
> I think Vista is on track for January.
>
> --
> Paul Smith,
> Yeovil, UK.
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
> http://www.windowsresource.net/
>
> *Remove 'nospam.' to reply by e-mail*
>
>
>
 
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Colin Barnhorst

#8
There is no indication by MS of consideration of any later date than this
quarter for RC1, release to manufacturing and distribution to Software
Assurance customers in November, and General Public Availablility in
January. There may be one more interim release to TechBeta this month
before RC1 is released to CPP participants and an even wider audience.

"ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7902252B-BE66-45B9-8624-C69226B90FB6@microsoft.com...
> Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general
> public
> in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to next
> April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
>
> And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean, we've been
> waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
>
> 8-)
 
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#9
Hope so...just want stable and high quality product to come out of Redmond.

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> There is no indication by MS of consideration of any later date than this
> quarter for RC1, release to manufacturing and distribution to Software
> Assurance customers in November, and General Public Availablility in
> January. There may be one more interim release to TechBeta this month
> before RC1 is released to CPP participants and an even wider audience.
>
> "ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7902252B-BE66-45B9-8624-C69226B90FB6@microsoft.com...
> > Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general
> > public
> > in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to next
> > April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
> >
> > And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean, we've been
> > waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
> >
> > 8-)

>
>
>
 
C

Colin Barnhorst

#10
5505 is reported to be a fast, stable build. We'll see what RC1 will bring
us.

"ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:AC2E4F89-3F5D-43A6-AB32-14BAAB0E9B84@microsoft.com...
> Hope so...just want stable and high quality product to come out of
> Redmond.
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> There is no indication by MS of consideration of any later date than this
>> quarter for RC1, release to manufacturing and distribution to Software
>> Assurance customers in November, and General Public Availablility in
>> January. There may be one more interim release to TechBeta this month
>> before RC1 is released to CPP participants and an even wider audience.
>>
>> "ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:7902252B-BE66-45B9-8624-C69226B90FB6@microsoft.com...
>> > Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general
>> > public
>> > in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to
>> > next
>> > April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
>> >
>> > And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean, we've
>> > been
>> > waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
>> >
>> > 8-)

>>
>>
>>
 
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Paul Smith

#11
"ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F1214D8F-1DCD-42C7-8B7F-68518F932A2B@microsoft.com...
>I do want a Jan release, but I also want to underscore the importance of
> quality. Hope microsoft didn't forget that a quality product generates
> more
> revenue than a buggy one


Quality has come a long way from Beta 2. 8-)

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/

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#12
I hope so. There are too many people crying to their mommies about how bad
the beta 2 was.
--
Robert Firth
http://www.winvistainfo.org


"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> 5505 is reported to be a fast, stable build. We'll see what RC1 will bring
> us.
>
> "ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:AC2E4F89-3F5D-43A6-AB32-14BAAB0E9B84@microsoft.com...
> > Hope so...just want stable and high quality product to come out of
> > Redmond.
> >
> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
> >
> >> There is no indication by MS of consideration of any later date than this
> >> quarter for RC1, release to manufacturing and distribution to Software
> >> Assurance customers in November, and General Public Availablility in
> >> January. There may be one more interim release to TechBeta this month
> >> before RC1 is released to CPP participants and an even wider audience.
> >>
> >> "ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:7902252B-BE66-45B9-8624-C69226B90FB6@microsoft.com...
> >> > Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general
> >> > public
> >> > in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to
> >> > next
> >> > April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
> >> >
> >> > And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean, we've
> >> > been
> >> > waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
> >> >
> >> > 8-)
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>
>
 
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Luke Fitzwater

#13
You are still a year off.
Windows ME was released in July 2000.
Windows XP was released in October 2001. So it will be over 5 years
since the last major release of an operating system, less service packs
and yearly refresh to the product.

-Luke

M@dhat3rr wrote:
>> Afterall, how could you release a OS named Millennium
>> in 2002.

>
> 2001, I meant, sorry. Though one can debate that the Millennium didn't start
> till 2001, instead of 2000.
>
> "M@dhat3rr" wrote:
>
>> Since MS is pushing the RC1 milestone (instead of another beta), I'd say they
>> are going for January, all they care about is money after all. SP1 for vista
>> is roughly due around October 2k7.
>>
>> They won't scrap it. To must money invested, and the media would beat them
>> senseless (four years between client releases. Business's care about money
>> and public perception. Wouldn't be the first time MS released a broke OS for
>> media coverage (WinME). Afterall, how could you release a OS named Millennium
>> in 2002.
>>
>> "ZAZ" wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general public
>>> in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to next
>>> April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
>>>
>>> And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean, we've been
>>> waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
>>>
>>> 8-)
 
C

Colin Barnhorst

#14
Not counting Windows Server 2003, of course.

"Luke Fitzwater" <skywaterhulk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e%23nihrOvGHA.1956@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> You are still a year off.
> Windows ME was released in July 2000.
> Windows XP was released in October 2001. So it will be over 5 years since
> the last major release of an operating system, less service packs and
> yearly refresh to the product.
>
> -Luke
>
> M@dhat3rr wrote:
>>> Afterall, how could you release a OS named Millennium in 2002.

>>
>> 2001, I meant, sorry. Though one can debate that the Millennium didn't
>> start till 2001, instead of 2000.
>>
>> "M@dhat3rr" wrote:
>>
>>> Since MS is pushing the RC1 milestone (instead of another beta), I'd say
>>> they are going for January, all they care about is money after all. SP1
>>> for vista is roughly due around October 2k7.
>>>
>>> They won't scrap it. To must money invested, and the media would beat
>>> them senseless (four years between client releases. Business's care
>>> about money and public perception. Wouldn't be the first time MS
>>> released a broke OS for media coverage (WinME). Afterall, how could you
>>> release a OS named Millennium in 2002.
>>>
>>> "ZAZ" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general
>>>> public in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the
>>>> way to next April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
>>>>
>>>> And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean, we've
>>>> been waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
>>>>
>>>> 8-)
 
C

Colin Barnhorst

#15
They don't understand that a beta is normally bad. MS is brave to release
it for preview in any public way.

"firth" <webmaster@(Ihatespam)winvistainfo.org> wrote in message
news:FE211DEB-B815-40C0-8E3A-0D2000D0288E@microsoft.com...
>I hope so. There are too many people crying to their mommies about how bad
> the beta 2 was.
> --
> Robert Firth
> http://www.winvistainfo.org
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> 5505 is reported to be a fast, stable build. We'll see what RC1 will
>> bring
>> us.
>>
>> "ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:AC2E4F89-3F5D-43A6-AB32-14BAAB0E9B84@microsoft.com...
>> > Hope so...just want stable and high quality product to come out of
>> > Redmond.
>> >
>> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>> >
>> >> There is no indication by MS of consideration of any later date than
>> >> this
>> >> quarter for RC1, release to manufacturing and distribution to Software
>> >> Assurance customers in November, and General Public Availablility in
>> >> January. There may be one more interim release to TechBeta this month
>> >> before RC1 is released to CPP participants and an even wider audience.
>> >>
>> >> "ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:7902252B-BE66-45B9-8624-C69226B90FB6@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to
>> >> > general
>> >> > public
>> >> > in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to
>> >> > next
>> >> > April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
>> >> >
>> >> > And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean,
>> >> > we've
>> >> > been
>> >> > waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
>> >> >
>> >> > 8-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>

>>
>>
>>
 
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Chad Harris

#16
Re: Final release date Any public Beta by MSFT is about SALES period.

That's one way to look at it, but I do believe it's at the very naive end of
the spectrum and naive is not a word many would use to describe you.

CPPs and there was the same thing in XP more or less--I had a stack of Beta
CDs on my desk every time I went to a MSFT meeting during the foreplay to
the XP launch, or maybe they called them pre-launch events rather than
foreplay (can't remember) and it is a


SALES TOOL pure and simple. They are seeding sales pure and simple and
their stiff arm approach to information on Vista to the public (lol and to
their own Beta testers) underscores this. There is nothing straight up
about the bug information revealed by MSFT or the access to bugs by the
publc. All this crap about Joe Blow a TBT offering to check is just that.

If you want to look for information on the web Colin, you want to have to go
through me, or you want to do your own thing?

Same thing.

CH

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OAMcVvPvGHA.4160@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> They don't understand that a beta is normally bad. MS is brave to release
> it for preview in any public way.
>
> "firth" <webmaster@(Ihatespam)winvistainfo.org> wrote in message
> news:FE211DEB-B815-40C0-8E3A-0D2000D0288E@microsoft.com...
>>I hope so. There are too many people crying to their mommies about how bad
>> the beta 2 was.
>> --
>> Robert Firth
>> http://www.winvistainfo.org
>>
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>>
>>> 5505 is reported to be a fast, stable build. We'll see what RC1 will
>>> bring
>>> us.
>>>
>>> "ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:AC2E4F89-3F5D-43A6-AB32-14BAAB0E9B84@microsoft.com...
>>> > Hope so...just want stable and high quality product to come out of
>>> > Redmond.
>>> >
>>> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> There is no indication by MS of consideration of any later date than
>>> >> this
>>> >> quarter for RC1, release to manufacturing and distribution to
>>> >> Software
>>> >> Assurance customers in November, and General Public Availablility in
>>> >> January. There may be one more interim release to TechBeta this
>>> >> month
>>> >> before RC1 is released to CPP participants and an even wider
>>> >> audience.
>>> >>
>>> >> "ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:7902252B-BE66-45B9-8624-C69226B90FB6@microsoft.com...
>>> >> > Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to
>>> >> > general
>>> >> > public
>>> >> > in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > next
>>> >> > April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean,
>>> >> > we've
>>> >> > been
>>> >> > waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 8-)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>
>
 
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#17
Somewhere in Redmond, Washington, someone is using Microsoft Project to
maintain a big Gant Chart. At this time there are several "fixed" points on
the chart, and everything else is subject to change.

The "fixed" points are the major milestones. I don't know how many Alphas
there were, but each of them was a major milestone. Beta 1 and Beta 2 are
milestones. RC1 and RTM are milestones. But the big milestone is public
release. At this point it seems to be the end of January.

However as they approach the "fixed" points, if everything that is a
requirement for that milestone has not been completed, then the milestone
has to be slipped, or features have to be dropped. Microsoft has done a lot
of both with Vista, but anyone who has been involved with a major
development project knows that both are common. No major development
project gets completed without schedule slips and changes to the feature
set.

At this point Microsoft has a date for RC1 and they are trying to convince
the developers, that they can and must meet the schedule date, and that it
will not slip. Except for the greenest newbies though the developers know
that the schedule can and will slip, because they can't deliver feature
complete, debugged, and working code in the scheduled time.

While trying to convince the developers to make a supreme effort, the
managers are already planning the slip. Since I don't know what the
internal date is, or the status of all the pieces of code, I don't know how
big the slip will be, and I suppose it's possible that they can deliver RC1
within the third quarter.

But the point is that the Microsoft Vista project managers don't know at
this point when RC1 will happen, so they can't possibly announce a date.
Everyone will just have to be patient. When Microsoft announces it, then
you will know. Until then even Microsoft doesn't know.

Todd

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23$lHnIMvGHA.5056@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> There is no indication by MS of consideration of any later date than this
> quarter for RC1, release to manufacturing and distribution to Software
> Assurance customers in November, and General Public Availablility in
> January. There may be one more interim release to TechBeta this month
> before RC1 is released to CPP participants and an even wider audience.
>
> "ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7902252B-BE66-45B9-8624-C69226B90FB6@microsoft.com...
> > Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general
> > public
> > in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to

next
> > April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
> >
> > And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean, we've

been
> > waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
> >
> > 8-)

>
>
 
H

Homer J. Simpson

#18
> Quality has come a long way from Beta 2. 8-)

I'm still not convinced that the ability to run Vista with any reasonable
amount of responsiveness with only 512MB RAM is much of a goal at MS though.
 
Z

Zack Uribe

#19
I don't believe it is...nor do I believe it should be.
Many of the changes to Vista are geared towards making an OS that takes
advantage of current and future hardware. Aero Glass, ReadyBoost,
ReadyDrive, MCE, TabletPC, DX10, x64 architecture......

"Homer J. Simpson" <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:OJumN2UvGHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Quality has come a long way from Beta 2. 8-)

>
> I'm still not convinced that the ability to run Vista with any reasonable
> amount of responsiveness with only 512MB RAM is much of a goal at MS
> though.
>
 
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Chad Harris

#20
Re: Final release date PMs vs. Developers = Crap Shipped

The dynamic you just described articulately is in favor of the Vista Apathy
put it in a box and kick it out the door corporate ethos at MSFT in respect
to Vista.

CH


"Todd" <Noname@NoSpam.invalid> wrote in message
news:e%23EN1tUvGHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Somewhere in Redmond, Washington, someone is using Microsoft Project to
> maintain a big Gant Chart. At this time there are several "fixed" points
> on
> the chart, and everything else is subject to change.
>
> The "fixed" points are the major milestones. I don't know how many Alphas
> there were, but each of them was a major milestone. Beta 1 and Beta 2 are
> milestones. RC1 and RTM are milestones. But the big milestone is public
> release. At this point it seems to be the end of January.
>
> However as they approach the "fixed" points, if everything that is a
> requirement for that milestone has not been completed, then the milestone
> has to be slipped, or features have to be dropped. Microsoft has done a
> lot
> of both with Vista, but anyone who has been involved with a major
> development project knows that both are common. No major development
> project gets completed without schedule slips and changes to the feature
> set.
>
> At this point Microsoft has a date for RC1 and they are trying to convince
> the developers, that they can and must meet the schedule date, and that it
> will not slip. Except for the greenest newbies though the developers know
> that the schedule can and will slip, because they can't deliver feature
> complete, debugged, and working code in the scheduled time.
>
> While trying to convince the developers to make a supreme effort, the
> managers are already planning the slip. Since I don't know what the
> internal date is, or the status of all the pieces of code, I don't know
> how
> big the slip will be, and I suppose it's possible that they can deliver
> RC1
> within the third quarter.
>
> But the point is that the Microsoft Vista project managers don't know at
> this point when RC1 will happen, so they can't possibly announce a date.
> Everyone will just have to be patient. When Microsoft announces it, then
> you will know. Until then even Microsoft doesn't know.
>
> Todd
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23$lHnIMvGHA.5056@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> There is no indication by MS of consideration of any later date than this
>> quarter for RC1, release to manufacturing and distribution to Software
>> Assurance customers in November, and General Public Availablility in
>> January. There may be one more interim release to TechBeta this month
>> before RC1 is released to CPP participants and an even wider audience.
>>
>> "ZAZ" <ZAZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:7902252B-BE66-45B9-8624-C69226B90FB6@microsoft.com...
>> > Just curious...do you all think that Vista will be released to general
>> > public
>> > in January of 2007? Or do you think it may be pushed all the way to

> next
>> > April or even May (or just scrapped altogether)?
>> >
>> > And if released on time, SP1 immediate in the horizon? I mean, we've

> been
>> > waiting for a few years now, so would another delay matter?
>> >
>> > 8-)

>>
>>

>
>